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[tutuu]

King shit. i appreciate yuh

id vote but i also wanna kill dennis. if berfet goes bigger im hopping. they're both obvious wolves. berfect is trying to end the game with powerwolfing (no bussing, chop town, protect teammates)

[Sabiplz]

Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

because he's mafia. kill him. i want him dead. please.

You want him dead but you are on and pushing for a Dennis wagon?

[tutuu]

Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

because he's mafia. kill him. i want him dead. please.

You want him dead but you are on and pushing for a Dennis wagon?

when u hop in and quote the latest post without reading the previous ones (on the same page too) u will naturally get confused lol

[Sabiplz]

Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

because he's mafia. kill him. i want him dead. please.

You want him dead but you are on and pushing for a Dennis wagon?

when u hop in and quote the latest post without reading the previous ones (on the same page too) u will naturally get confused lol

I didn't see the newest post till after I posted

[tutuu]

Why would Bereft not indicate this fact and continue to lead me to think otherwise though?

because he's mafia. kill him. i want him dead. please.

You want him dead but you are on and pushing for a Dennis wagon?

when u hop in and quote the latest post without reading the previous ones (on the same page too) u will naturally get confused lol

I didn't see the newest post till after I posted

oh no thats understandable Queen, i meant the previous ones on the previous page. i spent like 30 posts throwing shit at bereft :P

all good Queen

[Bereft]

Sig/Falcon/Jack/Creature/Tutuu ?

I have trouble seeing worlds where Jack and Creature aren't both mafia, and Tutuu nonchalantly going "they're too wolfy to be wolf" is ...

[Bereft]

I will also just flat out state that 100 percent not both town and if you guys wanted a surefire way to catch a wolf just mow down the two of them.

[tutuu]

Sig/Falcon/Jack/Creature/Tutuu ?

I have trouble seeing worlds where Jack and Creature aren't both mafia, and Tutuu nonchalantly going "they're too wolfy to be wolf" is ...

@MacDougall @staypositivefriend @lucy sorry for all the pings but u just have thread pull and im trynna win

this is a textbook scaredy cat wolf who doesnt have the guts to fake town aggression / conviction

"and Tutuu nonchalantly going "they're too wolfy to be wolf" is ..."

"Ah, so now we argue via "Bereft is not allowed to think thoughts over long periods of time - (snipped) - blah blah blah blah"

just look at the tone lol

[tutuu]

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

scumreading him even more than Dennis now

@Creature please help me

@Jackofhearts2005

you too, we are like the beggars of the town, everyone hates us, nobody wants us. we gotta stick together.

[Bereft]

If anyone could pull me a list of who voted Creature yesterday while I'm gone that would be great, thanks in advance.

[tutuu]

ive said the exact same dumb shit all game

i was "so town that it hurts" for bereft before

but now suddenly is "..."

he doesnt even have the balls to lie and say that im scummy

[Creature]

I have trouble seeing worlds where Jack and Creature aren't both mafia, and Tutuu nonchalantly going "they're too wolfy to be wolf" is ...

I will also just flat out state that 100 percent not both town and if you guys wanted a surefire way to catch a wolf just mow down the two of them.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

[tutuu]

atta boy <3

[Bereft]

Sweet.

[tutuu]

@Porscha pls help us sister im begging u. i think the game is winnable. pls read mine and bereft's posts on this page and previous one

@Seanzie pls help us

[Seanzie]

@Porscha pls help us sister im begging u. i think the game is winnable. pls read mine and bereft's posts on this page and previous one

@Seanzie pls help us

I want SPF.

[tutuu]

Im not afraid of anyone or anything.

[tutuu]

Jack is lock town

[staypositivefriend]

@tutuu -

i think that for me to get to a world where you are town and bereft is mafia, i need you to explain to me why bereft is mafia with reasoning that extends beyond: "his tone in this post is scummy" or "my heart is purer than berefts", or anything like that

because yeah, i do admit that a big part of my reasoning to townread bereft is because his solving and his analysis feels like it comes from the perspective of someone who is thinking critically about the game, and of course it's possible for me to be wrong about that, but if i am, i'm not going to be able to find him through tone or heart or whatever. my brain doesn't work that way. i need concrete logic

and the point you brought up about bereft having TMI of roxy's alignment is the best one you've mentioned, since it makes "sense" to me on a logical level that some wolves may have TMI'd roxy's alignment yesterday to look good after she flipped. but i dont really even think that aligns with how bereft has played (like him making a post yesterday calling roxy obvious mafia, even if he did doubt himself toward the end, which i also did)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like if I'm jetisoning a strong townread, it's Mac, not SPF or Tutuu. Mac has been erratic and thrown out random accusations.

But why aren't any of those three dead? I didn't miss another mass redirect did I?

you sure this isn't omgus on mac? lol

I’m not sure, no.

There have been a couple recentish Tutuu posts I haven’t liked, esp ones that are aimed at SPF and Dennis so…fuqifino

[staypositivefriend]

@Porscha pls help us sister im begging u. i think the game is winnable. pls read mine and bereft's posts on this page and previous one

@Seanzie pls help us

I want SPF.

i see why mac got so annoyed now. can you interact with my posts today and give me your thoughts on the stuff that i'm posting instead of uncritically parking your vote on me because of The Gamestate? it is getting increasingly difficult to believe that you are playing from a town mindset when your posts today are just so egregiously bad

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mac and SPF voting Creature. Nervoussipcat.jpg

[staypositivefriend]

Can people just ask me questions because I feel like people are talking about me but never engaging with me.

Hard for me fam as I think you are basically townfirmed based on Kate.

Also why is SPF wallposting wolf indicative?

Because I dealt with wolf spf twice in games (and specced/hosted her numerous times).

Someone on hydra game said something about her views in the game being polarized as wolf. Or something like that.

i told you in a chat a couple of months ago that i tend to wallpost more as a wolf than as town because wallposting makes people townread me more by default. but the read doesn't make sense anyway considering i've made about 2 posts in this game that i would consider to be a "wallpost", unless you think that writing like 3 paragraphs counts as a wall now

also i'm not polarized at all tbh

I wonder if this has anything to do with your wolfy Creature wallpost from early game that I called you out on?

that's not even a wallpost by SPF standards. you have no idea what a SPF wallpost looks like if you think the creature post counted as one. i'm only at 30% of my maximum power rn

[Jackofhearts2005]

Seanzie can be super frustrating as town but it’s a vibe and he’s got it and it moves him north on my readlist every time I see a post of his, even though I can have massively different views of the game.

Like if Mac and I disagree on everything, I tend to just assume Mac is a wolf. Contrast Seanzie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t trust anyone voting Bereft. Suggests Bereft is town.

[staypositivefriend]

if bereft is mafia then he has done a good job pocketing me by being one of the only people in this game representing a sane/logical perspective

[staypositivefriend]

if bereft is mafia im also not sure how im supposed to get there rn

[tutuu]

@tutuu -

i think that for me to get to a world where you are town and bereft is mafia, i need you to explain to me why bereft is mafia with reasoning that extends beyond: "his tone in this post is scummy" or "my heart is purer than berefts", or anything like that

because yeah, i do admit that a big part of my reasoning to townread bereft is because his solving and his analysis feels like it comes from the perspective of someone who is thinking critically about the game, and of course it's possible for me to be wrong about that, but if i am, i'm not going to be able to find him through tone or heart or whatever. my brain doesn't work that way. i need concrete logic

and the point you brought up about bereft having TMI of roxy's alignment is the best one you've mentioned, since it makes "sense" to me on a logical level that some wolves may have TMI'd roxy's alignment yesterday to look good after she flipped. but i dont really even think that aligns with how bereft has played (like him making a post yesterday calling roxy obvious mafia, even if he did doubt himself toward the end, which i also did)

'fraid i cant do that

so be it, pink girl, so be it

[Jackofhearts2005]

SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.

[tutuu]

rn im at

mac, seanzie, porscha
jack, creature, wilgy, sabi
spf, sig
falcon
bereft, dennis

[Jackofhearts2005]

@DrWilgy
@Seanzie
@falcon45ca
@Jackofhearts2005
@Creature
@sig

If you had a bullet who would you kill? If you had a vest, who would you shield?

Shoot Tutuu. This read developer after this ping but there is at least one wolf in yesterday’s towncore and Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day and Tutuu looks worse in it. Plus, SPF’s wrong reads (me, Roxy) are like understandable and Tutuu’s wolflist as of last night were just…nonsense that I can’t get to. Of all the towncore, it makes most sense for Tutuu to be the wolf and if she’s town, I need to massively reevaluate and a green Tutuu flip right now does that.

I think Creature is more likely to be a wolf but I don’t think yeeting Creature does a bunch to solve the game today in terms of a midday shot.

I probably shield Bereft. He’s the player with the most votes that I think is town. Maybe Seanzie or SPF though. I think they’re more likely town than Bereft but less likely to be yeeted anyway.

[tutuu]

Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day

we barely talked to each other

[staypositivefriend]

SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.

bereft mac lucy town

creature/sabi/jack/tutuu contains 2-4 mafia

wilgy/falcon contains 0-1 mafia

sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia

this might be a confusing readslist but sometimes breaking the game into tiers like this is helpful for me

[Jackofhearts2005]

If Jack, Falcon, Seanzie, SPF, Bereft, Dennis are all still town, there are only 3 further town slots.

[staypositivefriend]

Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day

we barely talked to each other

it's bcuz i am super angry at u and giving u the silent treatment

[Bereft]

I think I'm supposed to read tutuu's push on me and in general their entire behavior today as just outing as powerwolf.

Ehem, Seanzie.

I at minimum trust Kate over tutuu. When I worldbuild off of tutuu mafia however, I just get most of the obvious suspects. I don't actually think Dennis/Falcon/Porscha/Seanzie are wolfing with tutuu here. I however, do not think I'm right about all the obvious suspects being scum however because thats just too obvious.

I don't trust sig.
I don't trust Wilgy.

I don't trust Jack.
I don't trust Creature.

And I'm mostly at a loss as to how go about finding a villager in these 4 if any.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh shit I forgot Lucy. Only 2 town slots left or I’m pocketed.

[DrWilgy]

Here's the dynamic I've observed.

Creature + Sig is a possible team pairing. Porscha chiming in on me like 3 times after I started going after Sig is noticable but I'm not ready to call it team indicative at this moment. Bereft can fit on this team.

The other end there's a world where it's Jack and Tutuu. The entire dynamic in Jack Tutuu is just so strange to me. Bereft doesn't fit on this team. Dennis doesn't fit on this team.

Does SPF make sense on either of these possibilities? Hell if I know, but I think it's worth sorting so I raise it as a potential discussion point.

[tutuu]

Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day

we barely talked to each other

it's bcuz i am super angry at u and giving u the silent treatment

Ah, women

[Sabiplz]

Can we stop calling my slot Kate.

Kate subbed out.

I'm the actual player in the game.

Kthanks

[Bereft]

Here's the dynamic I've observed.

Creature + Sig is a possible team pairing. Porscha chiming in on me like 3 times after I started going after Sig is noticable but I'm not ready to call it team indicative at this moment. Bereft can fit on this team.

The other end there's a world where it's Jack and Tutuu. The entire dynamic in Jack Tutuu is just so strange to me. Bereft doesn't fit on this team. Dennis doesn't fit on this team.

Does SPF make sense on either of these possibilities? Hell if I know, but I think it's worth sorting so I raise it as a potential discussion point.

I'm pairing both of those worlds. Is there an issue with that?

[Sabiplz]

Like if you are going to talk about my slot actually engage with me, the person in the slot and not Kate who isn't even here ffs.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day

we barely talked to each other

Ya’ll we’re fighting right after I left yesterday and you’re fighting now. Ergo, you were fighting all day.

[tutuu]

Tutuu and SPF have been fighting all day

we barely talked to each other

Ya’ll we’re fighting right after I left yesterday and you’re fighting now. Ergo, you were fighting all day.

valid

[DrWilgy]

SPF, what’s your current solve? Preferably without me in it.

bereft mac lucy town

creature/sabi/jack/tutuu contains 2-4 mafia

wilgy/falcon contains 0-1 mafia

sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia

this might be a confusing readslist but sometimes breaking the game into tiers like this is helpful for me

Is Falcon just duping me then?

This whole Wilgy Falcon dynamic that is bothering several people doesn't make sense. Could it not we have a good read on each other?

What arguments have been made to the point of either of us being wrong or deceitful in our reads on e/o?

"sig/porscha/dennis contains 0-1 mafia" doesn't feel like a genuine take either.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

[Bereft]

Might as well put my cards on the table now at this point since its not like I've had much luck forcing the pieces together.

[tutuu]

@DrWilgy

You’re the only player voting Bereft that I think has room to be a townie.

Please vote Creature or Tutuu. We’re forcing w/w wagons today. Thanks!

@DrWilgy no dont do it keep it steady

dude bereft is like jeff bezos. jack is like his executive PR guy. and we're amazon warehouse workers. i dunno about u wilgy but im tired of having to piss my pants every day

[DrWilgy]

I think I'm supposed to read tutuu's push on me and in general their entire behavior today as just outing as powerwolf.

Ehem, Seanzie.

I at minimum trust Kate over tutuu. When I worldbuild off of tutuu mafia however, I just get most of the obvious suspects. I don't actually think Dennis/Falcon/Porscha/Seanzie are wolfing with tutuu here. I however, do not think I'm right about all the obvious suspects being scum however because thats just too obvious.

I don't trust sig.
I don't trust Wilgy.

I don't trust Jack.
I don't trust Creature.

And I'm mostly at a loss as to how go about finding a villager in these 4 if any.

I find myself in agreement with your trusts here (except the obvious).

Tutuu being a wolf would invalidate Sig being a wolf tho I think.

[Bereft]

I think Bereft/Lucy/Mac/Porscha is always town and even after sacrificing so many townreads I still don't want to get rid of these.

Then among the rest of the players, the following are not partnered:

Dennis Sig
Seanzie staypositivefriend
DrWilgy falcon45ca
Kate tutuu

The remaining players are Jack and Creature.

Try to make a team of five wolves here. You end up just picking one form each pair like I said. The alternative is dumping Jack and Creature together.