Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm about caught up, but I probably swept over a lot.

Here's my immediate PoE:
Marmot
SVS
Rondo
Guillo
112
Radish

Somewhat sorted. I could add Sloonei, but I actually liked some of his chime ins. I also think he's not putting himself in a good position if he's mafia, and I think that matters.

I'm not clear on Ender. Don't think he's teamed with Rondo. And I'm not actively suspecting. Clearing of Wilgy is probably good.

I think Alison has more towny things than wolfy things. Mainly just a solving mindset. I disagree with her take on Scotty's shot, I think it's very likely the shot was just silent because of the Lucy shot.

Golden also has more towny than wolfy things. Just his drive, I think.

There's people I have somewhat unsorted, but not too worried about, or other people have town read them, like Sig and Falcon.

Don't know if controversial or not, but I think Porscha, Urist and PC are also town. Porscha because of Sabi spew, and also her posts are towny. Urist, cause I just think so and he gets me, and he's my buddy. And PC for raisins that may or may not be real. I'll listen to Golden and SVS on Kate as town.

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For those who are displeased with my involvement, drive or contribution to town, it's unfortunate that you feel that way. I'm not displeased. The start of day time makes it so that I'm asleep and then at work for the beginning of any days. I happen to live in Europe and have a demanding full time job. Thank you for your understanding.

ok A) Dizzy is a wolf
B) Why am I in the poe there is no effort to explain that
C) Anything I have done this game I can easily do with a w/w me ender or a w/w me mac

Give me your read on Sloonie / Kate / SVS and for good measure Wilgy / Urist / Ender

D) Calling alison / golden town is a super hot take and I am proud of you for being so brave

E) What is your favourite breed of pine cone?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I like your summary and agree with all of it.

I do not like Mac giving dizzy a softball

[MacDougall]

I mean I'd also add that town Seanzie's pet wolfreads usually are ones that I understand and when I bother to assess strongly agree with. I don't think Nutella is a logical place for any town to be tunneling to the detriment of other candidates.

[nutella]

Does anyone believe that Seanzie actually strongly wolf read ilario lol.

Oh Seanzie was the player posting a bunch of letters day 1. Their ISO is kind of underwhelming and he refuses to make any post longer than one sentence but I don't think he's a wolf.

I haven't read Ilario so I can't help you there but also I doubt he'd claim a shot if it was outing. *Oh Ilario flipped 3p hmm I think it's definitely possible and with nutella wolf it seems they're just being quirky.

Huh who is this syn?

[Dyslexicon]

@hollowkatt I'm sorry you've been having a rough time lately, and I hope you feel better now. I don't know if you've been able to follow or read much, but if you have any sort of sorting or PoE, I'd be interested to hear what you're thinking.

[MacDougall]

I like your summary and agree with all of it.

I do not like Mac giving dizzy a softball

What am I supposed to say if Dyslexicon's appraisal of the game after catch up is a near mirror image of mine? How can I articulate that in a way that doesn't ping you next time?

[RondoDimBuckle]

idk if i 100% trust dizzy but yeah i do like that post

if dizzy flips wolf I look here next if not Mac

[sig]

It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.

Michelle?

nutella?

Kate?

Porscha?

sig?

DrWilgy?

Yes to all. They have all been given easy townreads when they aren't out of their scumranges. Notwithstanding my personal reads on each they are all as valid or more valid to be paranoid of than me.

What kind of nonesense take is this.

[Party Crasher]

Does anyone believe that Seanzie actually strongly wolf read ilario lol.

Oh Seanzie was the player posting a bunch of letters day 1. Their ISO is kind of underwhelming and he refuses to make any post longer than one sentence but I don't think he's a wolf.

I haven't read Ilario so I can't help you there but also I doubt he'd claim a shot if it was outing. *Oh Ilario flipped 3p hmm I think it's definitely possible and with nutella wolf it seems they're just being quirky.

Huh who is this syn?

No.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Yes. I was leaning Ender town for a bit now I am back to him being lost wolf.

Why lost wolf, specifically?

Because Rondo is lost wolf who has been signalling all game

Yeah, I was thinking that too.

Yes. I was leaning Ender town for a bit now I am back to him being lost wolf.

Why lost wolf, specifically?

Because Rondo is lost wolf who has been signalling all game

ah yes, the old 'no u'

[Party Crasher]

I'm about caught up, but I probably swept over a lot.

Here's my immediate PoE:
Marmot
SVS
Rondo
Guillo
112
Radish

Somewhat sorted. I could add Sloonei, but I actually liked some of his chime ins. I also think he's not putting himself in a good position if he's mafia, and I think that matters.

I'm not clear on Ender. Don't think he's teamed with Rondo. And I'm not actively suspecting. Clearing of Wilgy is probably good.

I think Alison has more towny things than wolfy things. Mainly just a solving mindset. I disagree with her take on Scotty's shot, I think it's very likely the shot was just silent because of the Lucy shot.

Golden also has more towny than wolfy things. Just his drive, I think.

There's people I have somewhat unsorted, but not too worried about, or other people have town read them, like Sig and Falcon.

Don't know if controversial or not, but I think Porscha, Urist and PC are also town. Porscha because of Sabi spew, and also her posts are towny. Urist, cause I just think so and he gets me, and he's my buddy. And PC for raisins that may or may not be real. I'll listen to Golden and SVS on Kate as town.

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For those who are displeased with my involvement, drive or contribution to town, it's unfortunate that you feel that way. I'm not displeased. The start of day time makes it so that I'm asleep and then at work for the beginning of any days. I happen to live in Europe and have a demanding full time job. Thank you for your understanding.

ok A) Dizzy is a wolf
B) Why am I in the poe there is no effort to explain that
C) Anything I have done this game I can easily do with a w/w me ender or a w/w me mac

Give me your read on Sloonie / Kate / SVS and for good measure Wilgy / Urist / Ender

D) Calling alison / golden town is a super hot take and I am proud of you for being so brave

E) What is your favourite breed of pine cone?

I love people not understanding PoE

[MacDougall]

My god people can we just lift the bar ever so slightly on what qualifies as worth pushing? We need to focus. We've literally lost 6 town on day 2. Please do better than jumping at people cuz they suspect you. Work with me here.

[nutella]

Schweppes?

Idk why yall don't just sign bc it has mostly felt like only tutuu and dz have played at all.

[MacDougall]

It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.

Michelle?

nutella?

Kate?

Porscha?

sig?

DrWilgy?

Yes to all. They have all been given easy townreads when they aren't out of their scumranges. Notwithstanding my personal reads on each they are all as valid or more valid to be paranoid of than me.

What kind of nonesense take is this.

Go ahead an explain how it's nonsense

[RondoDimBuckle]

Marmot
master radishes
112
S~V~S

I think HK is town on ISO. I'll defer to Alison on Guillo. I'm taking sig out because of my personal read there.

Radishes iso is bad. All four of these are wolfy.

I wish Sabi's ISO wasn't broken so I could fucking read whether any of them are spewed town lol.

Sabi's ISO is not broken. Anyone knows that Michelle is lock clear from her push in Sabi and im unaligned with Sabi for how i put Sabi on tje spot for offering a truce to Michelle, when truces are uncharacteristic of Sabi.

Because I supplied the link to the mod to fix it. No actual proof but get that out of here

this is an odd way to take this post.

Something empirically false was in the thread. At the time of Mac posting the link was broken, I checked myself. I sent Mac the correct link and then Nanook. If Guillo is going to catch wolf Mac its not for something I know to be true.

[Party Crasher]

Schweppes?

Idk why yall don't just sign bc it has mostly felt like only tutuu and dz have played at all.

it's sheep
and yeah i kind of vanished d1

[Guillotine]

There is def a wolf in Mac, Alison, Golden, Neon dynamic.

why not include me if you dont know who I am?

Why would i include you if i dont know who you are?

[Dyslexicon]

ok A) Dizzy is a wolf
B) Why am I in the poe there is no effort to explain that
C) Anything I have done this game I can easily do with a w/w me ender or a w/w me mac

Give me your read on Sloonie / Kate / SVS and for good measure Wilgy / Urist / Ender

D) Calling alison / golden town is a super hot take and I am proud of you for being so brave

E) What is your favourite breed of pine cone?

A) No.
B) You're being wolfy and Ender thinks you're a wolf.
C) No? Also they are town so I don't care.
I think I have given those reads. And somewhat reasons.
D) Thank you.
E) You've gone too far. That is private.

[Guillotine]

There is no freedom of speech on this site.

[Party Crasher]

Marmot
master radishes
112
S~V~S

I think HK is town on ISO. I'll defer to Alison on Guillo. I'm taking sig out because of my personal read there.

Radishes iso is bad. All four of these are wolfy.

I wish Sabi's ISO wasn't broken so I could fucking read whether any of them are spewed town lol.

Sabi's ISO is not broken. Anyone knows that Michelle is lock clear from her push in Sabi and im unaligned with Sabi for how i put Sabi on tje spot for offering a truce to Michelle, when truces are uncharacteristic of Sabi.

Because I supplied the link to the mod to fix it. No actual proof but get that out of here

this is an odd way to take this post.

Something empirically false was in the thread. At the time of Mac posting the link was broken, I checked myself. I sent Mac the correct link and then Nanook. If Guillo is going to catch wolf Mac its not for something I know to be true.

But I don't think Guillo was saying that mac was a wolf because of that, if he was that would be absolutely ludicrous

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Alison you are the one protecting Guillo so can you please make it your job to control the impact hes having on the threadstate?

This is funny. The only way to tame me is by killing my wim with personal attacks. Nothing else can control me. The only other option is death.

Why arent you pushing me for an elimination when you have had nothing but shade on regards of me?

Scared?

I do not find this a towny post. Perhaps people who know guillo more can elaborate

First, do you think it's mafia-indicative or just not towny

Second, this is pretty common from what I remember

Tough call.... probably Guillo indicative if I had to put gun to head. I reckon someone will say its just Guillo being Guillo

[Guillotine]

Marmot
master radishes
112
S~V~S

I think HK is town on ISO. I'll defer to Alison on Guillo. I'm taking sig out because of my personal read there.

Radishes iso is bad. All four of these are wolfy.

I wish Sabi's ISO wasn't broken so I could fucking read whether any of them are spewed town lol.

Sabi's ISO is not broken. Anyone knows that Michelle is lock clear from her push in Sabi and im unaligned with Sabi for how i put Sabi on tje spot for offering a truce to Michelle, when truces are uncharacteristic of Sabi.

Because I supplied the link to the mod to fix it. No actual proof but get that out of here

this is an odd way to take this post.

Something empirically false was in the thread. At the time of Mac posting the link was broken, I checked myself. I sent Mac the correct link and then Nanook. If Guillo is going to catch wolf Mac its not for something I know to be true.

But I don't think Guillo was saying that mac was a wolf because of that, if he was that would be absolutely ludicrous

No i was not. I thought he meant it in the context of unreadable, so chaotic that no spew could be made out of.

[RondoDimBuckle]

SVS should be prompting strong emotions in people when town. She’d usually be taking at least some suss and not care what people think of her much. I’m not seeing that here. But she’s a very clever wolf too.

I would be happy to vote for SVS

[nutella]

Schweppes?

Idk why yall don't just sign bc it has mostly felt like only tutuu and dz have played at all.

it's sheep
and yeah i kind of vanished d1

Oh nice welcome to the site lol.

[sig]

It frustrates me when non mafia players fixate on whether certain people who have large ranges might be wolves when we have a large percentage of easier to read players who have yet to actually be very towny at all.

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.

Michelle?

nutella?

Kate?

Porscha?

sig?

DrWilgy?

Yes to all. They have all been given easy townreads when they aren't out of their scumranges. Notwithstanding my personal reads on each they are all as valid or more valid to be paranoid of than me.

What kind of nonesense take is this.

Go ahead an explain how it's nonsense

1. Give me random people and they’re probably mafia is just nonsense

2. You’re all over the place with some of these reads without any in thread evolution or explanation it seems like you’re just running in multiple directions, throwing shit onto the wall, seeing what sticks, then turning around and doing it all over Again.


3. Creature is one of said people within scum range so it’s weird you’re rolling right with what he’s saying.

[MacDougall]

You know what I'm tired of trying to herd cats. I'm going to take a short hiatus from the game and when I return I'm going to bring back Dalai Mac.

[RondoDimBuckle]

So you two are paired? Got it

Yeah, I think we are actually. It's very cute, don't be jelly <3

I take it back

[RondoDimBuckle]

You know who I think ARE paired? Sloonie and Wilgy

[nutella]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

[sig]

Also everyone being discussed right now is a lower poster which is a red flag especially paired with Sabi being a high poster.

I’m betting at least one of the people who’s super active and just sowing chaos/posts is mafia

Then someone in the town core is mafia.

Then maybe a handful of slanker/low posters

[RondoDimBuckle]

Theyve been slinking around here avoiding each other

[nutella]

You know what I'm tired of trying to herd cats. I'm going to take a short hiatus from the game and when I return I'm going to bring back Dalai Mac.

Hype

[sig]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

Are you mafia with creature and Scotty

[Dyslexicon]

You know what I'm tired of trying to herd cats. I'm going to take a short hiatus from the game and when I return I'm going to bring back Dalai Mac.

[sig]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

Are you mafia with creature and Scotty

This is my new tin foil team and I’m sticking to it

[MacDougall]

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.

Michelle?

nutella?

Kate?

Porscha?

sig?

DrWilgy?

Yes to all. They have all been given easy townreads when they aren't out of their scumranges. Notwithstanding my personal reads on each they are all as valid or more valid to be paranoid of than me.

What kind of nonesense take is this.

Go ahead an explain how it's nonsense

1. Give me random people and they’re probably mafia is just nonsense

2. You’re all over the place with some of these reads without any in thread evolution or explanation it seems like you’re just running in multiple directions, throwing shit onto the wall, seeing what sticks, then turning around and doing it all over Again.


3. Creature is one of said people within scum range so it’s weird you’re rolling right with what he’s saying.

You are misinterpreting the intensity of my perspective and taking it out of context. I was simply saying that the present conversation topic "there's also a wolf in the towncore" is while plausible, not a rational thing to focus on when literally everyone aside from us are still in their reasonable scumrange also.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I want everyone to talk about Seanzie, go

He has a wonderful beard.

Idk, I kind of think he's town. I've been right on him in about every game we've played, but I also have never actually played a game where he was mafia. I don't think him being off-beat is wolfy for him.

My expectation is that by now Town Seanzie would have 1 to 2 pet wolfreads he's aggressively pursuing while nobody pays attention which actively discourages him from playing democratically. I don't think Seanzie is trying to solve the game or using his full town process in this game and that makes him lean wolf. Not lock wolf cuz he might just not give a fuck, but I can't townread him for it.

I pointed this out DAY 1! DAY ONE!

[Party Crasher]

Who are the players with shorter ranges who have and haven't been towny enough?

I honestly think if you named players at random you'd probably hit someone who qualifies.

Michelle?

nutella?

Kate?

Porscha?

sig?

DrWilgy?

Yes to all. They have all been given easy townreads when they aren't out of their scumranges. Notwithstanding my personal reads on each they are all as valid or more valid to be paranoid of than me.

What kind of nonesense take is this.

Go ahead an explain how it's nonsense

1. Give me random people and they’re probably mafia is just nonsense

2. You’re all over the place with some of these reads without any in thread evolution or explanation it seems like you’re just running in multiple directions, throwing shit onto the wall, seeing what sticks, then turning around and doing it all over Again.


3. Creature is one of said people within scum range so it’s weird you’re rolling right with what he’s saying.

I don't think we understand those posts the same way
at all

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok guillo semantics aside please make reads on my POE

gimmy poe? has it changed from yesterday?

Uh I dunno when you mean but right now it'd be like.

Seanzie - Scum lean
Marmot - Meh null but you guys are probably right on being scum
SVS - scum lean
112 - more posts pls, scum till then
MR - 3p
sig - light scum but probably town

I'm less inclined to push 112 and MR than the other four.

[nutella]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

Are you mafia with creature and Scotty

Yeah that makes perfect sense.

[Dyslexicon]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

Are you mafia with creature and Scotty

No. These are all very likely town. Please choose a different path.

[sig]

Also it seems like there’s a lot of logic leaps going on so far this game.

For example

You know what annoys me? It's that a bunch of players who have the capacity to be loud, obvious, extremely solvey town have decided this game to not do much. I don't think they're all mafia so some of them are just being lazy town, and I guess real life is a thing and I've done that as town before too but it is annoying that there happen to be so many this game.

Examples include Dizzy, Ender, Seanzie, Sloonei.

Additionaly ive been thinking why scum kill the people they have killed on night 1 instead of the legendary names here such as those four, you, macdougal and nutella.

We’ve had one known mafia kill why is it odd that they didn’t target the people who are most likely to

1. Be protected or watched
2. Are town leaders who for all we know are driving town off the cliff
3. Could be tied to them

Same for Macs Logic of me being mafia means Wilgy is cleared there’s som very like early tying going on that doesn’t even make sense

[sig]

Sig stop trying to make creature happen it's not gonna happen

Are you mafia with creature and Scotty

Yeah that makes perfect sense.

I mean it could

[sig]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

[MacDougall]

Also everyone being discussed right now is a lower poster which is a red flag especially paired with Sabi being a high poster.

I’m betting at least one of the people who’s super active and just sowing chaos/posts is mafia

Then someone in the town core is mafia.

Then maybe a handful of slanker/low posters

This is funny because it's the thought process I'm quite literally trying to agitate against, but if you want to bring back clown hour @Guillotine and @Creature would probably welcome a great meeting of the minds with you. I'll step back and let you hunt big game. Bring us a grand pelt oh great ancient hunter.

[Golden]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

Take yourself out of the PoE for a minute.

Who within it doesn’t make much sense and why?

[nutella]

Also everyone being discussed right now is a lower poster which is a red flag especially paired with Sabi being a high poster.

I’m betting at least one of the people who’s super active and just sowing chaos/posts is mafia

Then someone in the town core is mafia.

Then maybe a handful of slanker/low posters

This is funny because it's the thought process I'm quite literally trying to agitate against, but if you want to bring back clown hour @Guillotine and @Creature would probably welcome a great meeting of the minds with you. I'll step back and let you hunt big game. Bring us a grand pelt oh great ancient hunter.

Lmao

[RondoDimBuckle]

I like your summary and agree with all of it.

I do not like Mac giving dizzy a softball

What am I supposed to say if Dyslexicon's appraisal of the game after catch up is a near mirror image of mine? How can I articulate that in a way that doesn't ping you next time?

You know what... you might not be a wolf. But also you're a crafty bugger. Its less about Dizzy saying the things you want to hear and rather that you just towncore him for things he could just see you are saying and then proceed to say them. Maybe I am insane and need to ease up on my turbo juice

[Dyslexicon]

I’m just saying the POE being thrown around don’t make much sense and are filled with low hanging fruit so someone pushing said POE is mafia

There may be truth to this. It would surprise me greatly if the PoE was all wrong. Which ones are the lhf there, in your view?

[MacDougall]

I like your summary and agree with all of it.

I do not like Mac giving dizzy a softball

What am I supposed to say if Dyslexicon's appraisal of the game after catch up is a near mirror image of mine? How can I articulate that in a way that doesn't ping you next time?

You know what... you might not be a wolf. But also you're a crafty bugger. Its less about Dizzy saying the things you want to hear and rather that you just towncore him for things he could just see you are saying and then proceed to say them. Maybe I am insane and need to ease up on my turbo juice

Humour me and answer the question?