Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Scotty]

I am announcing it now. If it comes down to me vs Seanzie I am not going to selfpres because you guys had your chance to jump on board with me yesterday and first half of today. Alison is campaigning against it and Nutella for so I will let you sort it out. Probably wont self pres onto Marmot. Too cute

Says the guy currently self pressing onto Seanzie

[Dyslexicon]

also i think youre overblowing the alison thing, like her point is actually potentially worth something if seanzie is wolf kp and a higher priority to elim, but your case was also real and good and i think sean and rondo are prob just w/w and i dont think alison disagrees

This is basically what I was trying to say. They could both be right. I went back to look at Alison's point, and yeah, I don't think it's that strong, because I don't think Rondo necessarily chose to do anything in particular. But it's not a wolfy idea from Alison, especially if Sean is mafia. If Sean is town and Rondo mafia, it is quite bad actually. So I also get Mac's point

[Creature]

Let the record show that Creature has now claimed I'm a wolf for "fighting off people in the thread instead of having a POE list like I usually do in my town games.

@Golden @nutella @everyone else

I have thought creature was wolf all along. He’s in a tunnel on me and his entire rationale is to quote LPP from time to time as though it’s a super-important and valuable insight.

Do wolves ever kill Rask if their reads are just plain wrong?

[Michelle]

Mac, said Seanzie something villagery or was Rondo too wolfy?

Seanzie wagon ppl likes
Rondo wagon ppl hates

Make me like Rondo wagon

Also go back and read my Rondo burial.

Rondo appears more than 100 times in your Iso.
I will trust your word you did a case

[Dyslexicon]

I am announcing it now. If it comes down to me vs Seanzie I am not going to selfpres because you guys had your chance to jump on board with me yesterday and first half of today. Alison is campaigning against it and Nutella for so I will let you sort it out. Probably wont self pres onto Marmot. Too cute

Wow. It's so towny of you to announce not to self pres onto someone you allegedly suspects.

[RondoDimBuckle]

5 pages behind

SVS wagon breakdown

Sloonei ... I feel is likely detached town but he's certainly not out of his known wolfrange. His posts have all had good tone and he seems to lack wolf agenda.

Scotty ... I kinda townread for similar reasons. His play is maybe a bit more of the cavalier style than Sloonei's.

Golden. He's... such a good wolf I just can't shake the suspicion. His justifications for his reads and pushes all make sense they're just ... its like they are sensible but not compelling. Good excuses not actual reasons? And I feel that there's something to be said for the moves he's not making ... such as how he's treating Urist and Rondo. It feels like he's trying to thread a needle of powerwolfing without townsiding or something.

Alison ... like I have maybe a little paranoia here too but it's not as bad as it is towards Golden because her rationalisation feels more reasonable each time. The reasons she's giving for her town and mafia reads are consistently evidence based and in a way that's like "ohhh I see this is fair". Such as her Seanzie shield that if not for said effort providing reason would be driving more paranoia.

Sig and Rondo are like the two slots I just shrug and say "beats me they could flip both ways".

So all up I'm trying to say that this wagon has nearly 6 shrug slots on it. And the chances of those 6 being all town is close to nil to me.

I am head empty no thoughts on sloonei and golden, I am decidedly unsure on scotty but I'm enjoying having him around so that's happenstance luck for him, sig and rondo could flip either I agree, but I do think it's a twinge silly to tr alison cuz her reads are logic based (because when are they not?)

I wouldnt be surprised if Wilgy and Sloonie were w/w or t/t or even 3/3. Golden I am happy to just live and not end game just like me. Scotty is just doing scotty things and people are townreading him for it which is like "shrug ok" then why dont you town read Rondo for doing Rondo things? Its interesting. Sig I could kill but he has good energy at times. Alison I have conceded is probably town in the knowledge that Nutella/Mac/Golden/Alison can not ALL be wolves and if one of them is the others will find.

This might be my favorite post of yours this game by the way

I appreciate it but why?

[Scotty]

Seanzie and rondo wagons atm:
RondoDimBuckle
8
21%
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Golden, Seanzie, MacDougall, Scotty, EnderWiggin, Creature
Seanzie
8
21%
Voters: Dyslexicon, nutella, Neon, Alison, RondoDimBuckle, Michelle, Lilypetal, Porscha

[Creature]

Also I quoted lucy posts too. I find it interesting wolves saw lucy and Rask as more dangerous than Alison and Mac.

[Master Radishes]

I don't know how to say this without being a bit mean, so I guess I'll just be a bit mean. I tend not to read Rondo's posts in games with him. It's not I find him a bad player or anything, but he just seems to operate on a very different wavelength and I never find his trains of thought helpful or always logical. It works for him I guess but not for me. So I have no real understanding of what his game has been like here. I've never seen Rondo as wolf.

I know Mac has been trying to point people at Things and Stuff but I just don't know that I can be bothered to trawl through several pages of back and forth trying to keep track of a progression. I'll just miss any nuance because I've become too detached from the flow of the game.

So, like...a summary, please. If one is written please kindly direct me.

[Dyslexicon]

Let the record show that Creature has now claimed I'm a wolf for "fighting off people in the thread instead of having a POE list like I usually do in my town games.

@Golden @nutella @everyone else

I have thought creature was wolf all along. He’s in a tunnel on me and his entire rationale is to quote LPP from time to time as though it’s a super-important and valuable insight.

Do wolves ever kill Rask if their reads are just plain wrong?

Actually where does Rask play and with whom in this game? I'm not a huge fan of NKA, but it is a choice for a kill for sure

[RondoDimBuckle]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

no it was just a bad joke to call attention to the fact that rondo is self-voting for some reason.

You don't then think there would be a bus on Rondo? Why not?



Do you feel you've been hunting this RD? Cuz yer bad joke is the kind of awkward thing Maf do when bussing a teammate IMO

While it's possible that Rondo is being bussed, it would be weird considering there are other viable options on the table. Unless of course the other viable options are also mafia.
It doesn't take that long for me to decide my vote and PoE for the day, I read sabi's iso and decided that Rondo looked the worst from it. I think you've played with me enough times to know that I'm highly annoying and make terrible jokes as either alignment.

Can you show me specifics? I cant refute *gestures at innuendo and suggestion*

[Creature]

Why are you all wagoning Seanzie btw? Didn't he claim strongman vig? Isn't that self-resolving?

[RondoDimBuckle]

The thing is basically

Rondo looks like a lot of flailing and his posts reads AGENDA all over. Like it's not coming from anywhere, it's just manoeuvring. That's how I read it.

I don't see any solving or even helping in Sean's posts. It's mostly fluff and one liners, and few of them are game relevant, and if they are they are shallow. I think Sean would actually try to solve the game if he was in this position as town. I'm not seeing that here.

I think it's pretty likely both are wolves. And I'm not known for having strong wolf reads.

this is a great post by dizzy

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle why self-vote?

Why not? Its not like we're at end of day

[Master Radishes]

Seanzie pinged me in D1 and that feels like a very solid reason to vote someone like 5,000 posts later.

Maybe I should go see what it was first actually.

[Creature]

Let the record show that Creature has now claimed I'm a wolf for "fighting off people in the thread instead of having a POE list like I usually do in my town games.

@Golden @nutella @everyone else

I have thought creature was wolf all along. He’s in a tunnel on me and his entire rationale is to quote LPP from time to time as though it’s a super-important and valuable insight.

Do wolves ever kill Rask if their reads are just plain wrong?

Actually where does Rask play and with whom in this game? I'm not a huge fan of NKA, but it is a choice for a kill for sure

I assume wolves are likelier to kill players who are more dangerous to them early. Let it sink that wolves killed lucy, Rask and likely TSP too.

[RondoDimBuckle]

lily is a weird slot for me, i kinda forget she exists when she's not around and she hasn't been around much, people have called her town but i dont really know why at all, seems like shes hanging out in the background, maybe did enough d1 to earn some townreads and is skating on them

Nutella setting up lily for after Sean?

[Master Radishes]

Spoiler: show

Somebody tell me who to vote for.

Hmmm.

It was this. I say that as both alignments but more as mafia than town.

[Creature]

Isn't Seanzie claiming strongman vig? You all think we should still lynch him?

[Master Radishes]

Now someone tell me who to vote for.

[RondoDimBuckle]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

Love this question from falcon.

In my view if there is a busser on rondo it’s Sean 72% of the time and Sloonei accounts for most of the other 28. Ender bussing doesn’t ring true to me and I still feel relatively good about the read that falcon is spewed town.

I can see from your pov why you would think that (assuming you are town) but for me to be bussed I need to be a wolf. So the logic that follows is wrong. Also if Sloonie is wolf Golden never is and vice versa. Ive already called Ender town(except for the outlying options I stated earlier), if I was wolf Ender would be town anyway from my spew.

[Master Radishes]

Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Alison asking the good questions more town points for her. She can put me in her pocket

[Dyslexicon]

I assume wolves are likelier to kill players who are more dangerous to them early. Let it sink that wolves killed lucy, Rask and likely TSP too.

Yeah. But where does Rask play, do you know? Unclear why TSP was mafia kill?

[Golden]

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Came back to go back to svs. I’d rather be somewhere I believe in.

[Creature]

i used my once a game night action on sabi but they were shot by someone else

so so so so so sad

[Kate]

@MacDougall I think you're reacting in a big way to Alison's point about Rondo having a slapfight with you. I kind of got her point tbh, not that I entirely agree. But I could see how she would think that. And her characterisation of it is more a manner of speaking.

Explain to me like I'm 5 how you can get her point but not agree. Please.

You don't understand the difference between understand and agree? I'm now getting the sense you're doing shit just to incite arguing.

You mean like you're doing here by provoking me with a semantic argument?

I'm not even arguing.

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine btw.

[Creature]

I shot Sabi. No regrets.

okay fuck u but also thank u

I mean worth it

ya my role was ass and it's definitely better that theyre dead now

i just hate town losing kp cuz im dumb and double stacked with u when it should've been obvious

[Dyslexicon]

Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.

SVS > Scotty imo

But I'd rather have you choose one of the main ones

[Golden]

Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.

I miss canucklehead

[Scotty]

Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.

Technically anyone is a viable wagon.

We were told that svs and marmot will show up close to eod.

Typically everyone and their mother comes on at end of day as if we didn’t have 47 hours to discuss beforehand

So anything is possible.

Or if you want, we can both vote for mac for science

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Like even if they're mafia partners, Rondo has to be far better positioned than either of them, so it makes sense to sacrifice them before him. He's not gonna get Mac killed ever so... what's his agenda exactly?

It's kinda undermining the orderly structure of the POE which is my top theory for his agenda if he is a wolf, but it's in a way that compromises him personally?

I was nice and cozy as powerwolfing town leader I could have just ignored mac till tomorrow and dealt with it then told him I was tired and Ill answer him today and waited for the Seanzie Lynch

[Creature]

I assume wolves are likelier to kill players who are more dangerous to them early. Let it sink that wolves killed lucy, Rask and likely TSP too.

Yeah. But where does Rask play, do you know? Unclear why TSP was mafia kill?

I doubt town kills TSP tbh. I think that's most likely to be the 2nd mafia kill alongside Rask.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Maybe Rondo likes slapfighting?

I love it

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Sometimes things happen. Not everyone knows restraint. Besides that, I think Rondo was already at risk

How?

[Master Radishes]

Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.

SVS > Scotty imo

But I'd rather have you choose one of the main ones

Yeah I'd prefer to stick to the main wagons today. And I hope and pray to Cayvie's wings that I'll find more time D3.

[MacDougall]

Allow me to summarise again.

Rondo presently has Ender lock town. Ender has had Rondo as lock mafia since essentially the game began. Rondo has mostly ignored Ender intentionally and admittedly and when I've asked why he said it's because he thinks Ender is town because as a wolf he has no benefit to locking himself into scumreading Rondo out of the gate. So he is townreading him for something Ender did at the start of the game despite Ender, someone whom Rondo should trust to have a good read on him, non stop tunneling Rondo all game.

Further Rondo stated at the beginning of day 2 when he observed Nutella start to question Ender that he actually began to suspect Ender too overnight and wanted to observe day 2 before pursuing it further. Ender's day 2 proceeded to be more non stop burial of Rondo.

The question is on probability...

Is Rondo a wolf whose behavior is that of a wolf who knows he cannot bullshit Ender who saw right through him. So he's mostly just letting Ender spin around and focusing attention elsewhere hoping nobody notices Ender is right. Who when presented with an opportunity to discredit Ender took it.

Or is he a town who lock town reads someone non stop tunneling him who has a better understanding of Rondo than anyone else in all of mafia (they are personal irl friends), who was reaction testing Nutella with the Ender push, or had temporary doubt on it, but has been persuaded to go back to lock townreading Ender after further persistent tunneling.

To me one is plainly viable and the other is ... plausible but doesn't make a great deal of sense.

I rest my case goodnight.

@Michelle @Master Radishes

[Dyslexicon]

I assume wolves are likelier to kill players who are more dangerous to them early. Let it sink that wolves killed lucy, Rask and likely TSP too.

Yeah. But where does Rask play, do you know? Unclear why TSP was mafia kill?

I doubt town kills TSP tbh. I think that's most likely to be the 2nd mafia kill alongside Rask.

Sure. Well, I'm still unclear whoever knows Rask from beforehand, so

[Master Radishes]

Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.

I miss canucklehead

I've heard nice things. It's a shame, because there was an influx of Canucks.com players a couple years back (me, falcon, 112, among others not in this game).

[Urist]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

I would like to note that Urist has moved off me after I called him the wolf on my wagon.

no you definitely called me the wolf on your wagon AFTER i voted for SVS

[RondoDimBuckle]

Kate has done absolutely nothing all day. Like take a look at her ISO. She has contributed nothing townie the entirety of D2 and frankly the entirety of D1 as well. She is coasting by on being toneread as town by someone that knows her D1.

I don't want to vote her out today because I have bigger fish to fry. But please pay attention to her tomorrow, especially if you have KP.

Why not vote her out today? Not just to save my own neck but seriously, you keep saying she has done nothing and then saying "But I will wait till tomorrow"?

[Creature]

However my role is very powerful so I should be killed immediately

Was TSP killed for this?

[Master Radishes]

Allow me to summarise again.

Rondo presently has Ender lock town. Ender has had Rondo as lock mafia since essentially the game began. Rondo has mostly ignored Ender intentionally and admittedly and when I've asked why he said it's because he thinks Ender is town because as a wolf he has no benefit to locking himself into scumreading Rondo out of the gate. So he is townreading him for something Ender did at the start of the game despite Ender, someone whom Rondo should trust to have a good read on him, non stop tunneling Rondo all game.

Further Rondo stated at the beginning of day 2 when he observed Nutella start to question Ender that he actually began to suspect Ender too overnight and wanted to observe day 2 before pursuing it further. Ender's day 2 proceeded to be more non stop burial of Rondo.

The question is on probability...

Is Rondo a wolf whose behavior is that of a wolf who knows he cannot bullshit Ender who saw right through him. So he's mostly just letting Ender spin around and focusing attention elsewhere hoping nobody notices Ender is right. Who when presented with an opportunity to discredit Ender took it.

Or is he a town who lock town reads someone non stop tunneling him who has a better understanding of Rondo than anyone else in all of mafia (they are personal irl friends), who was reaction testing Nutella with the Ender push, or had temporary doubt on it, but has been persuaded to go back to lock townreading Ender after further persistent tunneling.

To me one is plainly viable and the other is ... plausible but doesn't make a great deal of sense.

I rest my case goodnight.

@Michelle @Master Radishes

Thank you.

[Dyslexicon]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Sometimes things happen. Not everyone knows restraint. Besides that, I think Rondo was already at risk

How?

Me and Ender wolf reading you and you already being a wagon

[Creature]

Allow me to summarise again.

Rondo presently has Ender lock town. Ender has had Rondo as lock mafia since essentially the game began. Rondo has mostly ignored Ender intentionally and admittedly and when I've asked why he said it's because he thinks Ender is town because as a wolf he has no benefit to locking himself into scumreading Rondo out of the gate. So he is townreading him for something Ender did at the start of the game despite Ender, someone whom Rondo should trust to have a good read on him, non stop tunneling Rondo all game.

Further Rondo stated at the beginning of day 2 when he observed Nutella start to question Ender that he actually began to suspect Ender too overnight and wanted to observe day 2 before pursuing it further. Ender's day 2 proceeded to be more non stop burial of Rondo.

The question is on probability...

Is Rondo a wolf whose behavior is that of a wolf who knows he cannot bullshit Ender who saw right through him. So he's mostly just letting Ender spin around and focusing attention elsewhere hoping nobody notices Ender is right. Who when presented with an opportunity to discredit Ender took it.

Or is he a town who lock town reads someone non stop tunneling him who has a better understanding of Rondo than anyone else in all of mafia (they are personal irl friends), who was reaction testing Nutella with the Ender push, or had temporary doubt on it, but has been persuaded to go back to lock townreading Ender after further persistent tunneling.

To me one is plainly viable and the other is ... plausible but doesn't make a great deal of sense.

I rest my case goodnight.

@Michelle @Master Radishes

Did you write this in ChatGPT?

[Master Radishes]

Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.

Technically anyone is a viable wagon.

We were told that svs and marmot will show up close to eod.

Typically everyone and their mother comes on at end of day as if we didn’t have 47 hours to discuss beforehand

So anything is possible.

Or if you want, we can both vote for mac for science

I mean I understand how possibilities work. But you know what I mean.

[Dyslexicon]

I want tied wagons

[Scotty]

I want tied wagons

I don’t. I don’t want mafia to decide for us

[Urist]

If this wagon is a hit then I'm certain that at least one of the voters is mafia:

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

I'm gonna assume you mean outside of the very very towny vote for yourself Rondo?



And since I doubt you're calling yourself Maf, why not narrow this down a tad?



Sloonei, falcon, Ender, Sean has a wolf if Rondo is a wolf? Who'd be your guess?

no it was just a bad joke to call attention to the fact that rondo is self-voting for some reason.

You don't then think there would be a bus on Rondo? Why not?



Do you feel you've been hunting this RD? Cuz yer bad joke is the kind of awkward thing Maf do when bussing a teammate IMO

While it's possible that Rondo is being bussed, it would be weird considering there are other viable options on the table. Unless of course the other viable options are also mafia.
It doesn't take that long for me to decide my vote and PoE for the day, I read sabi's iso and decided that Rondo looked the worst from it. I think you've played with me enough times to know that I'm highly annoying and make terrible jokes as either alignment.

Can you show me specifics? I cant refute *gestures at innuendo and suggestion*

whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? jeez luiz