Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Marmot]

You guys aren't praising my glorious post enough. I feel unloved.

Ik this was sarcastic but from the big post skim (there was a lot of reading I’ll go back and fine tooth jt after work.

I think the logic holds up. Besides calling me entitled and a paranoid I’m not paranoid you’re paranoid.

I don’t quite understand the evolution you went through yesterday but you’re back on track now so win win

Mac is playing DnD too, and he just hit level 4.

[Kate]

Okay so why wouldn’t PC be on the third party team?

Assuming one exists which for arguments sake let’s say there is

I like the idea of hunting for definite mafia team before hypothetical evil 3P team.

Unless there's an obvious lead on 3P, and reason to believe they're anti-town.


Fortunately in this game, we will know when mafia is eliminated.

This is a pretty wolfy post. Let me paraphase:

YEAH! let's keep looking for soup mafia yes, great idea, the other ideas are just hypotheticas! (However, please keep 3ps in your mind so I can come back around to them when I need to.)

What do you propose we do instead?

This is a post about deflection not a post about strategy. Now you're being twisty.

How am I being twisty?

I proposed a way to approach the game and handle other players in it. If you don't like it, then I want to know what strategy you would propose we use instead?

Bc it was very clear what I was saying, that I think you have a reason for pointing to the 3p instead of the soup mafia (very nonchalantly i might add). You knew this and tried to change the point of the post to how are we strategizing when I was specifically talking about your mention of 3p.

Svs voted you right away and she's going to be firey day 3 svs today so I'm going to vote you too. Your flip will resolve both roles I believe.

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[Marmot]

Bc it was very clear what I was saying, that I think you have a reason for pointing to the 3p instead of the soup mafia (very nonchalantly i might add). You knew this and tried to change the point of the post to how are we strategizing when I was specifically talking about your mention of 3p.

Svs voted you right away and she's going to be firey day 3 svs today so I'm going to vote you too. Your flip will resolve both roles I believe.

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

My point in my original post that you responded to was that we should hunt for mafia first, and deal with 3Ps later. Was I not clear in how I expressed that?

[Marmot]

alison alive coz shes mafia

-tutuu

Honestly probably just clearing for PC.

@Golden given our POE yesterday ended up netting a wolf, shouldn't we just like, keep using it?

Okay, but why would this clear them from being third party or second team?

This is why I keep hesitating on you since you ignore the possibility of other than civ unless you’ve got a personal negative read on someone and that’s the only way to fit your thoughts with the obvious fact they can’t be mafia.

By the logic of multi ball/dangerous third party nobody is town a clear yet you’re handing out spew clears left and right?

Am I missing something here or what

I have stopped solving in multiball worlds. SVS pointed out there is pseudo mod confirmation of one mafia team in the OP.

Okay so why wouldn’t PC be on the third party team?

Assuming one exists which for arguments sake let’s say there is

I like the idea of hunting for definite mafia team before hypothetical evil 3P team.

Unless there's an obvious lead on 3P, and reason to believe they're anti-town.


Fortunately in this game, we will know when mafia is eliminated.

We know there is a mafia team that is not eliminated. Possibly more than one sure, but there is a mafia team.

It's reasonable to guess that there are 3Ps in this game, and that they aren't all pro-town, but without enough evidence on who 3Ps are, or whether or not we need to kill them, then I don't think it's useful to dive down that rabbit hole.


Did you think I was saying that we should be hunting for 3Ps here Kate? I was saying the opposite.

[Kate]

Honestly probably just clearing for PC.

@Golden given our POE yesterday ended up netting a wolf, shouldn't we just like, keep using it?

Okay, but why would this clear them from being third party or second team?

This is why I keep hesitating on you since you ignore the possibility of other than civ unless you’ve got a personal negative read on someone and that’s the only way to fit your thoughts with the obvious fact they can’t be mafia.

By the logic of multi ball/dangerous third party nobody is town a clear yet you’re handing out spew clears left and right?

Am I missing something here or what

I have stopped solving in multiball worlds. SVS pointed out there is pseudo mod confirmation of one mafia team in the OP.

Okay so why wouldn’t PC be on the third party team?

Assuming one exists which for arguments sake let’s say there is

I like the idea of hunting for definite mafia team before hypothetical evil 3P team.

Unless there's an obvious lead on 3P, and reason to believe they're anti-town.


Fortunately in this game, we will know when mafia is eliminated.

We know there is a mafia team that is not eliminated. Possibly more than one sure, but there is a mafia team.

It's reasonable to guess that there are 3Ps in this game, and that they aren't all pro-town, but without enough evidence on who 3Ps are, or whether or not we need to kill them, then I don't think it's useful to dive down that rabbit hole.


Did you think I was saying that we should be hunting for 3Ps here Kate? I was saying the opposite.

No I don't, I think you were making the opposite point of what you claim you were making.

I thought it was a wolfy post but your continued attempts to play dumb have moved my opinion.

[Golden]

What if sig is a lost soup wolf vig and he shot alison on accident, not realizing shes his teammate

Id laugh

I remember someone quoting a post of alison where she keeps calling sig "alone, lost" etc

There are 2 types of lost wolves: they know the main group, but the main group doesnt know them. And they dont know the main group, but the main group knows them

If sig is soup mafia I don’t think he’s lost, he’d have done the pyxxy kill too.

[Golden]

What if sig is a lost soup wolf vig and he shot alison on accident, not realizing shes his teammate

Id laugh

I remember someone quoting a post of alison where she keeps calling sig "alone, lost" etc

There are 2 types of lost wolves: they know the main group, but the main group doesnt know them. And they dont know the main group, but the main group knows them

There’s also ‘they don’t know each other at all, strong factional hunting power’

[Golden]

@Golden was it not you who said that Alison got Guillo out of the POE, several times?

Makes ya think.

Yep. I was happy to let Alison take him out of the PoE, but I was always very specific about the reason why I was agreeing.

Guillo still ticks all the boxes for me.

As in you think he's a wolf?

Yeah, I see no reason why not.

From the very start I said there was wolves in the Kate sceptics and the people who claimed they wanted to slank until the game was smaller. Guillo was both.

And, btw, Seanzie and Alison were both in the Kate sceptic category. Challenging me on that town read in particular was always wolfy behaviour. Guillo, Urist and scotty are the other three who did.

Urist is cool.

I agree

[Golden]

I'm testing out a new theory for reading sig whereby I read him based on how isolated and lonely he seems compared to the rest of the thread. Under that theory he is town this game.

Okay the next four I'd like to talk to ppl about are this four. Anyone wanna go the hard vouch?

hollowkatt
Marmot
master radishes
sig

I wouldn't bet my house on sig being town, but I'd put him as the least likely person I'd vote in these 4 since I felt he seemed lonely in a townie way D1. In addition he is another player that I habitually scumread as either alignment so the fact that I haven't felt a desire to murder him here means he is playing townier than usual.

No points of townieness for the rest.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

to explain again, i think sig is a lost wolf vig who doesnt know the main pack wolves. i think the main pack wolves knew the identity of the lost wolves (its 1 of the 2 lost wolf variants)

i think alison was softing at him

it also gives an explanation for the missing pyxxy kill. alison claimed the pyxxy shot. she didnt shoot him though. another person, soup wolf, currently still alive, shot pyxxy n1

sig is a claimed vig who didnt shoot n1. he gave no explanation for why he didnt shoot n1, he didnt elaborate on his role or his action n1

the counterargument to that is that alison and sig arent in a wolf chat together, so they couldnt communicate that. the counter-counter argument to that is that the main pack wolves could have been alerted as to whom did sig (if he is a lost wolf vig) shoots every night as part of their roles

-tutuu

Yeah, the reasons to elim sig are mounting

[Golden]

Yes as do mine I suppose.

But I'm trying to create a narrow POE like we did to great effect yesterday.

MR
Scotty
SVS
Lilypetal
Dizzy

I'd like to prosecute these people and would love live and fully considerate debate on them.

I would add 112, guillo and Michelle personally.

Michelle, not so much imo.

Yeah that’s fine. I’m listening to rondo on that. And now you too.

[falcon45ca]

Yes as do mine I suppose.

But I'm trying to create a narrow POE like we did to great effect yesterday.

MR
Scotty
SVS
Lilypetal
Dizzy

I'd like to prosecute these people and would love live and fully considerate debate on them.

I would add 112, guillo and Michelle personally.

Michelle is virtually volume cleared, she's pretty firmly outside her wolf meta. It's not impossible to fake of course, but I'm not interested in her slot going over.



Guillo's town I'd say, based off of interactions where he just seems to genuinely be solving the game. Again, not impossible to fake by any stretch, but I'm not interested in them going over either.



112 is another story....there's def reason to say "oh they're null", but it's D3...we should be able to sort null reads one way or another. I am always highly suspicious of player's who spend as much or more time posting about how they can't play the game than actually playing the game. I'm not sure we gain a lot of info from their flip over others, excellent VK candidate IMO.

[Golden]

Oh the missing n2 mafiakill is concerning as well, mac might be right about Sig LOL

Nutella… you think there’s more missing?

Yeah there were three mafia kills on n1, then we killed seanzie so there should be two kills on n2 right?

Yeah, there’s a legit something up with that. Gosh, maybe sig IS the answer.

Did you not read the flip?

Sean was their second kp he was flipped.

Unless Nutella was killed by someone who claimed (I’m not fully caught up)

Alison claimed the pyxxy shot but she’s vanilla.

But honestly this response is typical town sig. Aaaaaa!

If I was just giving you, sig, I’d say you feel like town sig. it’s all this other unexplained mechanical stuff that makes me ping you, not actually your content. If we could get solutions to them I wouldn’t tinfoil you.

For this reason, I think I’ve convinced myself we should treat you as a problem for another day.

Do you have another shot? Are you willing to declare the target in advance if so?

[Golden]

Oh I see you said one and done

[Golden]

Hey @Kate nice to see you with a foothold in the game.

[sig]

Oh the missing n2 mafiakill is concerning as well, mac might be right about Sig LOL

Nutella… you think there’s more missing?

Yeah there were three mafia kills on n1, then we killed seanzie so there should be two kills on n2 right?

Yeah, there’s a legit something up with that. Gosh, maybe sig IS the answer.

Did you not read the flip?

Sean was their second kp he was flipped.

Unless Nutella was killed by someone who claimed (I’m not fully caught up)

Alison claimed the pyxxy shot but she’s vanilla.

But honestly this response is typical town sig. Aaaaaa!

If I was just giving you, sig, I’d say you feel like town sig. it’s all this other unexplained mechanical stuff that makes me ping you, not actually your content. If we could get solutions to them I wouldn’t tinfoil you.

For this reason, I think I’ve convinced myself we should treat you as a problem for another day.

Do you have another shot? Are you willing to declare the target in advance if so?

Right, but Sean had a kp, they had a faction kp, if Allison carried the factional kp on pyxxy she’d have claimed it with and just lied about having a kill.

I think it makes sense for D1 with little info on other roles for mafia to hit non civvy players and claim since then any trackers/watchers couldn’t expose them.

I guess for D1 that leaves LPP as unaccounted for.

You go into day 2: mafia kills Nutella we can assume factional at play. They lost Sean who was the second KP.

I think given that it’s reasonable to say LPP was shot either via a mech thing (targeted someone or something) or more likely it’s related to the D&D server which we’ve got zero info on.

I think PCs corrected themselves with the lost wolf theory, but I’d also second what they said with the fact that Sabe low key tried to get me voted off for a derp clear.

I think Allison town read me based off a semi accurate meta that she’s seen and as mafia took advantage of that to pocket me. It worked for awhile until I decided to use my shot on a town core member.

In terms of power I had a single shot, I didn’t wanna use it phase 1 but I’m all tapped out now of shots.

[sig]

Also I was lonely since everyone was ignoring me

[falcon45ca]

Ladies and gentlemen, a world first. I am going to let you into the mind of Macdougall like never before ... it's TRUSTFALL TIME, featuring, myself arguing with myself! I do hope to entertain you!

If this player was town, what would be the reason? And why is that argument really shit at the same time?

112 - 112 has felt like a player who has no teammates. They seem to lack TMI. They also shielded Hollowkatt early on, who has at least a small amount of Alison spew going for him.
Sure but they are also not trying to solve the game, and can be a level 1 slankwolf.
That is true, they are probably fairly hard null without closer analysis.
I would agree!

DrWilgy - DrWilgy's posts have not actively pinged me, or anyone really. There's nobody in the game who seems to have an axe to grind and wants to push him.
Yes, and why haven't the wolves actually drawn attention to his lack of production. What is the benefit to the mafia of not attempting to make someone who is not present a viable option.
Honestly the mafia have had their work cut out for them dealing with a fairly robust town, yesterday there was mafia in the POE and they died, it's not like they really would have felt all that comfortable trying to bring attention to new candidates in a way that was very persuasive.
True, you may have a point. Perhaps it's worth checking if anyone at all attempted to make Wilgy a suspect. Because I'd expect at least a LITTLE nibble at it from Alison or another wolf or two.
Agreed!

Dyslexicon - Dyslexicon has acted at times like a voice of reason. They are quite a calming influence on the thread.
But they tried to save Seanzie and undermine your push on Alison.
Yes well that also is probably a bit too sloppy for a wolf of Dyslexicon's skill level.
That's being generous, Dyslexicon is a good wolf, and good wolves understand that defending mafia teammmates when you have credibility is the most +ev thing you can do as a wolf)
You may have a point my good sir!

EnderWiggin - Ender has seemed to sincerely believe that Rondo is mafia. He has made that his near permanent axe to grind, and regardless of Rondo's alignment, Rondo's point of that boxing Ender in in the event of his flip being town, is a good one.
Yes but Rondo is town, and Ender has done nothing but push a town, which is wolfy, again you're being too generous.
Maybe so, maybe so.

falcon45ca - Falcon has had really good reads. He's pushed many of the wolves and isn't really doing so from a deepwolf position.
He's done this before.
True.
It's literally how he wins games as mafia. He has one of the highest mafia winrates on Syndicate.
Yeah but you're being paranoid. He just has good reads.
Does he really have this good of a radar as town, he's hardly posted so he's probably paid no attention to the game. Why are his reads so good?


Golden - Golden's wim and level of solving is very high. He is probably just town on play. He also has some pretty good Alison antispew going for him.
He also worked pretty hard to try to get SVS over instead of Seanzie (and probably other wolves), and SVS is probably town. He also was a strong supporter of Alison being in the towncore.
Seanzie also didn't try to push SVS when she was quite viable, and Alison also didn't push SVS when she could have ... you also thought Alison was town for the most part. Golden showed some signs of scepticism towards Alison, and he also openly conflicted with her on Kate.
Well... we'll get to SVS later. I think it's probably mostly paranoia to continue suspecting Golden so imma let it go.

Guillotine - He's in his town meta. I don't think he has TMI.
Alison literally pulled him out of your POE. He pushed you egregiously. His interactions with Rondo when they were both pushing you were super unusual.
Yeah she pulled him out but didn't pull Seanzie out because she was the assigned deepwolf of the team and had a pass to bus and townside.
Plausible, yet ... no just plausible honestly.

hollowkatt - Alison tried to persuade you to drop your townshield, which she did successfully, but she didn't push him, which means she was probably doing so in order to get YOU to push HK, which you did, not PUSH him herself, which if she wanted him to get actual pressure, she would do herself so she could get the cred, not leave you with the dirty hands. Also he got super mad and told someone to fuck off.
Hahaha... yeah I got nothing. This argument is solid.

Kate - Kate has okay tone and a shield from Golden that probably should be just sheeped. Also Alison tried to kill her.
Again... point well made.

Lilypetal - Every time Lily is around and someone says anything mean to me she defends me.
She would do that as mafia because you're pocketable and if she pushed you you'd be inclined to see right through it cuz she townreads you accurately all the time, she's done no hunting as town. She is squarely in her wolf meta.
Yeah... when u rite u rite homes.

Macdougall - You are extremely high wim in this game, and in a game that you should be taking a break from mafia in and phoning in which you were at the start, but your enthusiasm for this silly game has meant you cannot help yourself and have lost it, again, this is why this will be the last game you play for a long long time. But it's also very obvious you are town because you are a very significant reason that the mafia lost Seanzie yesterday, Alison is clearly not your partner and you have good spew with Sabi that had no theatre to it. You're obvious mafia, and town with paranoia towards you for fooling them so many times, plus the wolves/3p slots, are the only one really saying otherwise so you can probably stop worrying about it, nobody is going to flip you.
Thanks dad.

Marmot - I think Marmot was an attempted CFD at the last minute that wolves participated in.
He is not out of his wolf range.
His solving has been quite good when he's had the time. Nutella has a great instinct read on Marmot and shielded him hard and died.
Yep. Marmot is town.

master radishes - Radishes feels like a man without a team. He just sort of wanders in, laments not knowing what to do and then tries to figure out where to go. It's agendaless.
Well... you are describing a wolf. Where is his town intent?
Hmmm.
He also voted Marmot at EOD over Seanzie.
Hmmm.

Michelle - She literally just sheeped me all day until like the end and then voted Scotty. I mean I can have bad reads but the amount she did it, she was doing that instead of really attempting to pursue a wolf wincon.
Or a town one. She was trying to pocket you. She's done very little aside from try to pocket you. She ended up voting Scotty who is spewed clear from Alison.
I'm not sure that spew is very reliable.
Maybe not, but you shouldn't trust her. And Alison was actually shielding her with a misrep meta read saying she "wears her alignment on her sleeve" and is in her obvious town meta when you and i both know that she is not actually in her town meta at all.
True, maybe the wolves have all banded together from jump street and said "we're just pocketing Mac". Seanzie completely ignored pushing me which he like never does, Alison shielded me, Sabi pushed me a LITTLE bit but a lot less than usual and I also was pushing her. Maybe it's their entire agenda and why you're alive?
Now you get it!

Neon - Neon shot, an wolf, and has been otherwise shielding you.
Well if the wolf team's agenda is to pocket you, here's one.
Shot, an wolf.
Yes, yes. True. We let those skate. (unless they're sig).

Party Crasher - Lots of good solving from some of the heads, Hydra dissonance, Tutuu being all CFD happy the way she was isn't damning, and Marmot isn't clear so I can't hold that against her. Today particularly vibey solving.
Their solving today was predicated on something that ended up being provably wrong. Your overnight solving had them as lock mafia. Go back there moron.
Hmmm. Okay!

Porscha - Porscha is town.
I agree. Porscha is town.

RondoDimBuckle - Alison tried to chain him to the very specific universe in which Seanzie flipped mafia KP. Seanzie tried to make him the counterwagon.
True, I have no doubt anymore that Rondo is town either. Also maybe Seanzie sticking here and not trying to participate in teh Marmot C/W actually means Marmot was a hit too, maybe the CFD voters are all town?
Plausible. Plausible...

S~V~S - SVS voted you, you could have shot her.
She might be gambitting. In the end you couldn't shoot her cuz she was the only one that voted you.
That's true, Scotty really should have been voting me at EOD and found a reason not to. He's just mafia.
I really do think he is, and Alison spew is unreliable, but this is about SVS.
Yes I think if Scotty is mafia, SVS is probably mafia?
I would agree. They are teammates if one is wolf so too is the other.


Scotty - Alison spew?
Is unreliable, didn't vote you after trying to persuade everyone to vote you. Tried to save Seanzie.
Marmot can be mafia here.
Yes it is actually becoming rather likely that Marmot/Scotty is a w/t dichotomy, and SVS's alignment also hinges on Scott. SVS's alignment will actually tell a fair bit about this game.
I agree.

sig - Sig shot Alison. The end.
Sig is in his wolf meta. He townread her. He can't shoot someone he townreads that's egregious.
He shot Alison. There is no second mafia team. At best he's 3p.
True.
And also you actually think he's in his town meta why are you telling yourself he's in his wolf meta.
Well he's in his wolf meta in terms of his contribution and impact but his actual play has lots of his town notes, paranoia, entitlement.
Yup, so he's a townread.
Yeah i guess so. That's an amazing vig shot. I can scarcely believe he made it.
He is right when he says he plays vig like that. You've seen it.

Sloonei - He's just like thread dad with no agenda.
So he's an obvious 3p lol.
... true actually haha.

Urist - He's been pro mac and seems to believe his reads.
Yeaaaaaaah but he voted Rondo instead of Seanzie, and has been non stop pushing Golden who is probably town... and there was something else you found before and forgot.
Yeahhhh ok.

Okay so after unpacking my thoughts like a single player chess game.

Town unsorted

golden
sig
rondo
guillo
kate
hollowkatt
marmot
neon
porscha

Null/3p/? unsorted

Falcon
Sloonei
112
DrWilgy
Michelle

POE sorted

Scotty
SVS
Party Crasher
Dyslexicon
Lilypetal
Urist

Some food for thought...tho I'll ask this, is your italicized take on my slot genuine? Cuz' it's demonstrably false. I do not deepwolf, it is not how I win games as Maf. I'm often busted early, and then leave misleading spew to send my teammates deep.




I like the takes on MR & lily (someone who I don't feel I know how to read). Also, we should kill Marmot w/ fire IMO

[Golden]

Oh the missing n2 mafiakill is concerning as well, mac might be right about Sig LOL

Nutella… you think there’s more missing?

Yeah there were three mafia kills on n1, then we killed seanzie so there should be two kills on n2 right?

Yeah, there’s a legit something up with that. Gosh, maybe sig IS the answer.

Did you not read the flip?

Sean was their second kp he was flipped.

Unless Nutella was killed by someone who claimed (I’m not fully caught up)

Alison claimed the pyxxy shot but she’s vanilla.

But honestly this response is typical town sig. Aaaaaa!

If I was just giving you, sig, I’d say you feel like town sig. it’s all this other unexplained mechanical stuff that makes me ping you, not actually your content. If we could get solutions to them I wouldn’t tinfoil you.

For this reason, I think I’ve convinced myself we should treat you as a problem for another day.

Do you have another shot? Are you willing to declare the target in advance if so?

Right, but Sean had a kp, they had a faction kp, if Allison carried the factional kp on pyxxy she’d have claimed it with and just lied about having a kill.

I think it makes sense for D1 with little info on other roles for mafia to hit non civvy players and claim since then any trackers/watchers couldn’t expose them.

I guess for D1 that leaves LPP as unaccounted for.

You go into day 2: mafia kills Nutella we can assume factional at play. They lost Sean who was the second KP.

I think given that it’s reasonable to say LPP was shot either via a mech thing (targeted someone or something) or more likely it’s related to the D&D server which we’ve got zero info on.

I think PCs corrected themselves with the lost wolf theory, but I’d also second what they said with the fact that Sabe low key tried to get me voted off for a derp clear.

I think Allison town read me based off a semi accurate meta that she’s seen and as mafia took advantage of that to pocket me. It worked for awhile until I decided to use my shot on a town core member.

In terms of power I had a single shot, I didn’t wanna use it phase 1 but I’m all tapped out now of shots.

But no one claimed the rask kill, it’s bold to do that unless you are also responsible for the rask kill.

[falcon45ca]

Ladies and gentlemen, a world first. I am going to let you into the mind of Macdougall like never before ... it's TRUSTFALL TIME, featuring, myself arguing with myself! I do hope to entertain you!

If this player was town, what would be the reason? And why is that argument really shit at the same time?

112 - 112 has felt like a player who has no teammates. They seem to lack TMI. They also shielded Hollowkatt early on, who has at least a small amount of Alison spew going for him.
Sure but they are also not trying to solve the game, and can be a level 1 slankwolf.
That is true, they are probably fairly hard null without closer analysis.
I would agree!

DrWilgy - DrWilgy's posts have not actively pinged me, or anyone really. There's nobody in the game who seems to have an axe to grind and wants to push him.
Yes, and why haven't the wolves actually drawn attention to his lack of production. What is the benefit to the mafia of not attempting to make someone who is not present a viable option.
Honestly the mafia have had their work cut out for them dealing with a fairly robust town, yesterday there was mafia in the POE and they died, it's not like they really would have felt all that comfortable trying to bring attention to new candidates in a way that was very persuasive.
True, you may have a point. Perhaps it's worth checking if anyone at all attempted to make Wilgy a suspect. Because I'd expect at least a LITTLE nibble at it from Alison or another wolf or two.
Agreed!

Dyslexicon - Dyslexicon has acted at times like a voice of reason. They are quite a calming influence on the thread.
But they tried to save Seanzie and undermine your push on Alison.
Yes well that also is probably a bit too sloppy for a wolf of Dyslexicon's skill level.
That's being generous, Dyslexicon is a good wolf, and good wolves understand that defending mafia teammmates when you have credibility is the most +ev thing you can do as a wolf)
You may have a point my good sir!

EnderWiggin - Ender has seemed to sincerely believe that Rondo is mafia. He has made that his near permanent axe to grind, and regardless of Rondo's alignment, Rondo's point of that boxing Ender in in the event of his flip being town, is a good one.
Yes but Rondo is town, and Ender has done nothing but push a town, which is wolfy, again you're being too generous.
Maybe so, maybe so.

falcon45ca - Falcon has had really good reads. He's pushed many of the wolves and isn't really doing so from a deepwolf position.
He's done this before.
True.
It's literally how he wins games as mafia. He has one of the highest mafia winrates on Syndicate.
Yeah but you're being paranoid. He just has good reads.
Does he really have this good of a radar as town, he's hardly posted so he's probably paid no attention to the game. Why are his reads so good?


Golden - Golden's wim and level of solving is very high. He is probably just town on play. He also has some pretty good Alison antispew going for him.
He also worked pretty hard to try to get SVS over instead of Seanzie (and probably other wolves), and SVS is probably town. He also was a strong supporter of Alison being in the towncore.
Seanzie also didn't try to push SVS when she was quite viable, and Alison also didn't push SVS when she could have ... you also thought Alison was town for the most part. Golden showed some signs of scepticism towards Alison, and he also openly conflicted with her on Kate.
Well... we'll get to SVS later. I think it's probably mostly paranoia to continue suspecting Golden so imma let it go.

Guillotine - He's in his town meta. I don't think he has TMI.
Alison literally pulled him out of your POE. He pushed you egregiously. His interactions with Rondo when they were both pushing you were super unusual.
Yeah she pulled him out but didn't pull Seanzie out because she was the assigned deepwolf of the team and had a pass to bus and townside.
Plausible, yet ... no just plausible honestly.

hollowkatt - Alison tried to persuade you to drop your townshield, which she did successfully, but she didn't push him, which means she was probably doing so in order to get YOU to push HK, which you did, not PUSH him herself, which if she wanted him to get actual pressure, she would do herself so she could get the cred, not leave you with the dirty hands. Also he got super mad and told someone to fuck off.
Hahaha... yeah I got nothing. This argument is solid.

Kate - Kate has okay tone and a shield from Golden that probably should be just sheeped. Also Alison tried to kill her.
Again... point well made.

Lilypetal - Every time Lily is around and someone says anything mean to me she defends me.
She would do that as mafia because you're pocketable and if she pushed you you'd be inclined to see right through it cuz she townreads you accurately all the time, she's done no hunting as town. She is squarely in her wolf meta.
Yeah... when u rite u rite homes.

Macdougall - You are extremely high wim in this game, and in a game that you should be taking a break from mafia in and phoning in which you were at the start, but your enthusiasm for this silly game has meant you cannot help yourself and have lost it, again, this is why this will be the last game you play for a long long time. But it's also very obvious you are town because you are a very significant reason that the mafia lost Seanzie yesterday, Alison is clearly not your partner and you have good spew with Sabi that had no theatre to it. You're obvious mafia, and town with paranoia towards you for fooling them so many times, plus the wolves/3p slots, are the only one really saying otherwise so you can probably stop worrying about it, nobody is going to flip you.
Thanks dad.

Marmot - I think Marmot was an attempted CFD at the last minute that wolves participated in.
He is not out of his wolf range.
His solving has been quite good when he's had the time. Nutella has a great instinct read on Marmot and shielded him hard and died.
Yep. Marmot is town.

master radishes - Radishes feels like a man without a team. He just sort of wanders in, laments not knowing what to do and then tries to figure out where to go. It's agendaless.
Well... you are describing a wolf. Where is his town intent?
Hmmm.
He also voted Marmot at EOD over Seanzie.
Hmmm.

Michelle - She literally just sheeped me all day until like the end and then voted Scotty. I mean I can have bad reads but the amount she did it, she was doing that instead of really attempting to pursue a wolf wincon.
Or a town one. She was trying to pocket you. She's done very little aside from try to pocket you. She ended up voting Scotty who is spewed clear from Alison.
I'm not sure that spew is very reliable.
Maybe not, but you shouldn't trust her. And Alison was actually shielding her with a misrep meta read saying she "wears her alignment on her sleeve" and is in her obvious town meta when you and i both know that she is not actually in her town meta at all.
True, maybe the wolves have all banded together from jump street and said "we're just pocketing Mac". Seanzie completely ignored pushing me which he like never does, Alison shielded me, Sabi pushed me a LITTLE bit but a lot less than usual and I also was pushing her. Maybe it's their entire agenda and why you're alive?
Now you get it!

Neon - Neon shot, an wolf, and has been otherwise shielding you.
Well if the wolf team's agenda is to pocket you, here's one.
Shot, an wolf.
Yes, yes. True. We let those skate. (unless they're sig).

Party Crasher - Lots of good solving from some of the heads, Hydra dissonance, Tutuu being all CFD happy the way she was isn't damning, and Marmot isn't clear so I can't hold that against her. Today particularly vibey solving.
Their solving today was predicated on something that ended up being provably wrong. Your overnight solving had them as lock mafia. Go back there moron.
Hmmm. Okay!

Porscha - Porscha is town.
I agree. Porscha is town.

RondoDimBuckle - Alison tried to chain him to the very specific universe in which Seanzie flipped mafia KP. Seanzie tried to make him the counterwagon.
True, I have no doubt anymore that Rondo is town either. Also maybe Seanzie sticking here and not trying to participate in teh Marmot C/W actually means Marmot was a hit too, maybe the CFD voters are all town?
Plausible. Plausible...

S~V~S - SVS voted you, you could have shot her.
She might be gambitting. In the end you couldn't shoot her cuz she was the only one that voted you.
That's true, Scotty really should have been voting me at EOD and found a reason not to. He's just mafia.
I really do think he is, and Alison spew is unreliable, but this is about SVS.
Yes I think if Scotty is mafia, SVS is probably mafia?
I would agree. They are teammates if one is wolf so too is the other.


Scotty - Alison spew?
Is unreliable, didn't vote you after trying to persuade everyone to vote you. Tried to save Seanzie.
Marmot can be mafia here.
Yes it is actually becoming rather likely that Marmot/Scotty is a w/t dichotomy, and SVS's alignment also hinges on Scott. SVS's alignment will actually tell a fair bit about this game.
I agree.

sig - Sig shot Alison. The end.
Sig is in his wolf meta. He townread her. He can't shoot someone he townreads that's egregious.
He shot Alison. There is no second mafia team. At best he's 3p.
True.
And also you actually think he's in his town meta why are you telling yourself he's in his wolf meta.
Well he's in his wolf meta in terms of his contribution and impact but his actual play has lots of his town notes, paranoia, entitlement.
Yup, so he's a townread.
Yeah i guess so. That's an amazing vig shot. I can scarcely believe he made it.
He is right when he says he plays vig like that. You've seen it.

Sloonei - He's just like thread dad with no agenda.
So he's an obvious 3p lol.
... true actually haha.

Urist - He's been pro mac and seems to believe his reads.
Yeaaaaaaah but he voted Rondo instead of Seanzie, and has been non stop pushing Golden who is probably town... and there was something else you found before and forgot.
Yeahhhh ok.

Okay so after unpacking my thoughts like a single player chess game.

Town unsorted

golden
sig
rondo
guillo
kate
hollowkatt
marmot
neon
porscha

Null/3p/? unsorted

Falcon
Sloonei
112
DrWilgy
Michelle

POE sorted

Scotty
SVS
Party Crasher
Dyslexicon
Lilypetal
Urist

Some food for thought...tho I'll ask this, is your italicized take on my slot genuine? Cuz' it's demonstrably false. I do not deepwolf, it is not how I win games as Maf. I'm often busted early, and then leave misleading spew to send my teammates deep.




I like the takes on MR & lily (someone who I don't feel I know how to read). Also, we should kill Marmot w/ fire IMO

I don't know why this italicized, but it's probably Elon Musk's fault

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Coming home from a long day at work, there's nothing I love more than finding a wagon on me.

[Sloonei]

[/i]

[Master Radishes]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

[Dyslexicon]

Coming home from a long day at work, there's nothing I love more than finding a wagon on me.

[Dyslexicon]

Too late

[Dyslexicon]

Yes, hello. It is me, Dizzy. The calm and collected voice of reason. <3

[Golden]

Yes, hello. It is me, Dizzy. The calm and collected voice of reason. <3

You and reason are a hydra as well?

[falcon45ca]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

[Kate]

Hey @Kate nice to see you with a foothold in the game.

Thanks! I had a long drive this am to and from so I finally caught up!

[Master Radishes]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

[falcon45ca]

Hey @Kate nice to see you with a foothold in the game.

Thanks! I had a long drive this am to and from so I finally caught up!

Got some reads?

[112]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

I think you're missing the more important questions and substituting for insignificant bothers.

Why not ask why Nelly Furtado is hardly spoken about in everyday conversations any longer despite her incredible discography?

[Master Radishes]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

I think you're missing the more important questions and substituting for insignificant bothers.

Why not ask why Nelly Furtado is hardly spoken about in everyday conversations any longer despite her incredible discography?

Nelly Furtado is someone I enjoy the singles I know but whose discography I am lacking an education in. By all means, educate me!

[falcon45ca]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

Oh shit, MR's been getting deep into his Pimm's cup it would seem

[112]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

I think you're missing the more important questions and substituting for insignificant bothers.

Why not ask why Nelly Furtado is hardly spoken about in everyday conversations any longer despite her incredible discography?

Nelly Furtado is someone I enjoy the singles I know but whose discography I am lacking an education in. By all means, educate me!

well, she put this one out five years ago and it has 100k views


then there's Big Hoops, an underrated masterpiece

[Master Radishes]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

Oh shit, MR's been getting deep into his Pimm's cup it would seem

Pimm's is a summer drink you peasant.

[Master Radishes]

Anyway if that's something I need to address I guess tell me what it is? I'm like 20 pages behind still.

[Kate]

Hey @Kate nice to see you with a foothold in the game.

Thanks! I had a long drive this am to and from so I finally caught up!

Got some reads?

As for the first read, I'm very curious why and how the Marmot wagon dwindled. I also wonder what was up with the last minute votes for Mac. I think there was some weird plan but I didn't understand.

So those aren't exactly cases, but my best guess is Marmot, then scotty then svs. Although svs has looked a little townier lately. Still waiting her fire lol

[falcon45ca]

I assume this is due to my general slankiness. Normally it happens sooner than this!

Well, you weren't very slanky at EOD...in fact, you were quite active. Talk to me about your CFD antics if you plz?

I posted a lot at that moment; doesn't mean I was doing much more than the rest of the game if I'm being mean to myself.

As for CFD antics, Iunno? I don't really remember what I did but I love flash wagons?

Oh shit, MR's been getting deep into his Pimm's cup it would seem

Pimm's is a summer drink you peasant.

That's not a denial

[Golden]

Hey @Kate nice to see you with a foothold in the game.

Thanks! I had a long drive this am to and from so I finally caught up!

Got some reads?

As for the first read, I'm very curious why and how the Marmot wagon dwindled. I also wonder what was up with the last minute votes for Mac. I think there was some weird plan but I didn't understand.

So those aren't exactly cases, but my best guess is Marmot, then scotty then svs. Although svs has looked a little townier lately. Still waiting her fire lol

Very townie nutella did make a play to give marmot more time, which I think was influential.

Marmot has also been giving out trees. It's very unclear what the trees do, so it's hard to evaluate whether that's a town or wolf ability. On the face of it, though, since people whio have received the trees also haven't declared what they do but also have tended to defend marmot... mechanically I feel like marmot's ability leans more townie unless people start speaking out more about the mechanic with a contrary view.

[Dyslexicon]

Yes, hello. It is me, Dizzy. The calm and collected voice of reason. <3

You and reason are a hydra as well?

Yeah, though they are barely present

[Dyslexicon]

I read through Alison and Sean ISO.

I think Alison's ISO reflects good on quite a lot of people. I think both Golden and Kate, and also Scotty and Rondo actually. Stringing up Rondo after Sean is a very hard bus, if it's a bus. Also the way they focused on Scotty around his shot is more unteamed, I think? Also some slight good looks on Sloonei and SVS. I think she explains why Sloonei is town in a TMI way. She votes SVS a couple of times when she's trying to distract away from Sean, which she actually tries for quite some time. Slight bad look for Radish for having him in the "shortlist" for her shot. Just something I could see as w/w. She also did that with Porscha, but I'm less convinced Porscha is mafia in general.

I think Alison's plan was to generally town side, but hit the wrong ones in PoE, but decided to bus Sean in the end. I think.

In Sean's ISO I don't find much except he seems kind of desperate with the attempt to get people to vote Rondo. So that reflects well on Rondo.

And I am voting Rondo lol =p

I'm sure this has been done a lot already, but this is my takeaway. Also, I think it's decently likely that this is actually multi ball. I think there's a lot of players who aren't teamed with Alison, and I get the feeling that Sean was actually hunting for other mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

If this is multi ball, we're not doing as well tbh

[Dyslexicon]

Quite curious to find out why Ender is voting me in particular.

[Michelle]

Quite curious to find out why Ender is voting me in particular.

@EnderWiggin

[falcon45ca]

If this is multi ball, we're not doing as well tbh

3 dead Maf after 2 NF's...I don't care how many teams there may or may not be, I think we're doing fine

[Party Crasher]

Hey @Kate nice to see you with a foothold in the game.

Thanks! I had a long drive this am to and from so I finally caught up!

Got some reads?

As for the first read, I'm very curious why and how the Marmot wagon dwindled. I also wonder what was up with the last minute votes for Mac. I think there was some weird plan but I didn't understand.

So those aren't exactly cases, but my best guess is Marmot, then scotty then svs. Although svs has looked a little townier lately. Still waiting her fire lol

The mac thing was this: he claimed / we believe that his role lets him shoot someone that voted for him, if he has had at least 2 votes

I think he says he can shoot anyone, but i dont believe him, i thought hes a kiwi vt (we have had a few of these flip like cape90). And he needs the person to visit him. Anyway - Mac claimed the dennis kill and it made sense - dennis has voted mac the day before, and dennis was a visiting role, so it checks out either way

The last minute heroic plan was to get scummy people in poe to vote mac, hopefully getting one of them shot. So its good for town, reduce poe

Svs agreed to the glorious sacrificial plan. Scotty had voted marmot for a bit, but then removed his vote, leaving svs alone. This is why svs is currently suspecting scotty and marmot. Marmot and rondo both refused to vote mac. That's why i was screaming that theyre mafia yesterday

-t

[sig]

Nutella… you think there’s more missing?

Yeah there were three mafia kills on n1, then we killed seanzie so there should be two kills on n2 right?

Yeah, there’s a legit something up with that. Gosh, maybe sig IS the answer.

Did you not read the flip?

Sean was their second kp he was flipped.

Unless Nutella was killed by someone who claimed (I’m not fully caught up)

Alison claimed the pyxxy shot but she’s vanilla.

But honestly this response is typical town sig. Aaaaaa!

If I was just giving you, sig, I’d say you feel like town sig. it’s all this other unexplained mechanical stuff that makes me ping you, not actually your content. If we could get solutions to them I wouldn’t tinfoil you.

For this reason, I think I’ve convinced myself we should treat you as a problem for another day.

Do you have another shot? Are you willing to declare the target in advance if so?

Right, but Sean had a kp, they had a faction kp, if Allison carried the factional kp on pyxxy she’d have claimed it with and just lied about having a kill.

I think it makes sense for D1 with little info on other roles for mafia to hit non civvy players and claim since then any trackers/watchers couldn’t expose them.

I guess for D1 that leaves LPP as unaccounted for.

You go into day 2: mafia kills Nutella we can assume factional at play. They lost Sean who was the second KP.

I think given that it’s reasonable to say LPP was shot either via a mech thing (targeted someone or something) or more likely it’s related to the D&D server which we’ve got zero info on.

I think PCs corrected themselves with the lost wolf theory, but I’d also second what they said with the fact that Sabe low key tried to get me voted off for a derp clear.

I think Allison town read me based off a semi accurate meta that she’s seen and as mafia took advantage of that to pocket me. It worked for awhile until I decided to use my shot on a town core member.

In terms of power I had a single shot, I didn’t wanna use it phase 1 but I’m all tapped out now of shots.

But no one claimed the rask kill, it’s bold to do that unless you are also responsible for the rask kill.

Nope I only had a one shot gun.

And right no claim points to a mech driven thing or DND related

[Party Crasher]

If this is multi ball, we're not doing as well tbh

3 dead Maf after 2 NF's...I don't care how many teams there may or may not be, I think we're doing fine

9 dead town, 3 mafia, 1 3p is good

We have up to 3 kills today which is great

Mafia seems to lack kp which is great

What sucks for us is how many scummy town there are

We dont have a consensus towncore and towny loud people

If we lose the game i think it will be due to mischopping too many town

-t

[Dyslexicon]

neon being a claimed town kp that is continuing to shoot without being interrupted, blocked/killed is very suspicious

i made the same argument about alison

This is probably not the case, but all claimed kills coming from mafia would be pretty fucking funny