Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[falcon45ca]

It would be a mistake to shoot Dizzy, we'd get more info off their wagon.




Tho I don't think they should be a wagon

[Dyslexicon]

I know it's just a game of mafia, but that is very disappointing.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: lily] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Is there any rush to make this shot?

Yeah, I gotta do it or I'll end up shootin myself. Seeing how active I am and that certain mistakes have been made before by me procrastinating, I'd like to at least have it submitted around 24 hours in.

The potential of removing myself from play is tempting all things considered.

[falcon45ca]

What's with Hollowkatt voting off wagons?

When's the last time HK posted? It feels like they've been ghosting

[Dyslexicon]

Assuming no multi ball

PoE should be:
Radish
Rondo
HK
112
Marmot
Ender

Radish not with Marmot
Rondo not with Ender

Is the best I can muster not having caught up on everything

[Michelle]

What's with Hollowkatt voting off wagons?

When's the last time HK posted? It feels like they've been ghosting

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[Dyslexicon]

@DrWilgy I'll ask you to not shoot me. I'm in the process of catching up and I'm absolutely sure the wagon on me is a bunch of people pushing buttons. I should not be there.

[Master Radishes]

Part of me hates letting my team down and wants to live to redeem myself somehow.

Part of me would be happier out of my misery because honestly to never should've signed up for this game.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Radish] aubergine

[Michelle]

Is there any rush to make this shot?

Yeah, I gotta do it or I'll end up shootin myself. Seeing how active I am and that certain mistakes have been made before by me procrastinating, I'd like to at least have it submitted around 24 hours in.

The potential of removing myself from play is tempting all things considered.

Please don't think to remove yourself, clearing the Poe is better

[Master Radishes]

So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.

[Party Crasher]

hkatt isnt posting coz he's ill irl

112 also explained the situation behind her not being able to post

its not game relevant, it just is what it is, they could be either alignment

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy I'll ask you to not shoot me. I'm in the process of catching up and I'm absolutely sure the wagon on me is a bunch of people pushing buttons. I should not be there.

Damn, how could I say no to such a genuine ask?

[Party Crasher]

So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.

whats your role?

[Michelle]

Oh right there's S~V~S too

S~V~S is a hard null but like hard nulls are likely to be wolves because that's usually where wolves are

Reposting this

[DrWilgy]

Is there any rush to make this shot?

Yeah, I gotta do it or I'll end up shootin myself. Seeing how active I am and that certain mistakes have been made before by me procrastinating, I'd like to at least have it submitted around 24 hours in.

The potential of removing myself from play is tempting all things considered.

Please don't think to remove yourself, clearing the Poe is better

For town? Yes 100% without a doubt.

For my own personal stress level? well... I just think that ENDER gave me too much power...

[Dyslexicon]

@DrWilgy I'll ask you to not shoot me. I'm in the process of catching up and I'm absolutely sure the wagon on me is a bunch of people pushing buttons. I should not be there.

Damn, how could I say no to such a genuine ask?

You can't. Also I am town.

But yeah, I mean it.

[Michelle]

hkatt isnt posting coz he's ill irl

112 also explained the situation behind her not being able to post

its not game relevant, it just is what it is, they could be either alignment

Agree with this, i am myself pretty busy

@hollowkatt please get well soon my friend!

[Golden]

112/hk might have real life circumstances but they’re also hard to resolve without a vig shot. If I got a gun I’d shoot between them and MR for sure.

[DrWilgy]

Like, going into this, I knew the first two-three days would be an absolute slobber knocker for me and I wouldn't be able to hit my mid game solvey stride until there's some tempo around day 4 ish. Just how I am.

Never did I imagine that this game only being in D3 would feel like it's been occurring since the dawn of the Universe. This game may as well be the first primordial fart of the first primordial star in the universe that existed before the big bang of the current.

[Golden]

I would not shoot dizzy. I think dizzy is town. Could be wrong, but I can see town motives for all the things people are pointing to as wolfy. It’s not that I think the points made are unfair, but they’re circumstantial and dizzy has expressed his process believably, for me.

[Golden]

Apologies, I just misgendered dizzy.

[Dyslexicon]

Apologies, I just misgendered dizzy.

No, you're good. It's impossible to misgender me lol

[falcon45ca]

I hop off iawy to avoid ties

iawy is mafia

seems that way lets get him
[VOTE: iawy] aubergine

when in doubt sheep mac

OK

[Party Crasher]

ender has to be town

he's giving guns to people in the PoE (scotty and wilgy) to give them a chance to shoot wolves to get themselves out of the PoE

its the greediest (and arguably the best) way to play gunsmith

unless he doesn't have a choice on who to give the guns

could also be 3p i dunno. but i dont think ender is mafia

[falcon45ca]

Honestly I still can see Golden being a wolf here independent of IAWY

if I squint I can see a clusterfuck of a world where iawy and mac are both town. mostly I'm on iawy b/c of the whole sabi thing.

Or wait...huh. Which is it, sheep Mac, or whole Sabi thing?

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzys defence of Alison is objectively wolfy but as a counterpoint they were endeavouring to play peacemaker generally in a thread of heightened emotional posting at that moment.

I'll speak to this too, as I see Mac is getting up in a tizzy about it. I could easily see Alison's point of view. Mac has a tendency to go from 1-100. If I know Alison is mafia, I don't need to butt in, and Alison is not a player who needs me to defend them. Also, Nutella literally said the same thing as me, that Mac was overreacting to Alison. The whole thing was not about Alison, it was about Mac.

Creating a good thread environment, listening and trying to make others listen is what I feel I do well as town. I really do not feel I've been playing a bad game or even been on the wrong side of things, so I'm pretty disappointed at being a possible vig shot at this time. It is what it is, my raging days are gone. But it's taking some restraint.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm testing out a new theory for reading sig whereby I read him based on how isolated and lonely he seems compared to the rest of the thread. Under that theory he is town this game.

Okay the next four I'd like to talk to ppl about are this four. Anyone wanna go the hard vouch?

hollowkatt
Marmot
master radishes
sig

I wouldn't bet my house on sig being town, but I'd put him as the least likely person I'd vote in these 4 since I felt he seemed lonely in a townie way D1. In addition he is another player that I habitually scumread as either alignment so the fact that I haven't felt a desire to murder him here means he is playing townier than usual.

No points of townieness for the rest.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

to explain again, i think sig is a lost wolf vig who doesnt know the main pack wolves. i think the main pack wolves knew the identity of the lost wolves (its 1 of the 2 lost wolf variants)

i think alison was softing at him

it also gives an explanation for the missing pyxxy kill. alison claimed the pyxxy shot. she didnt shoot him though. another person, soup wolf, currently still alive, shot pyxxy n1

sig is a claimed vig who didnt shoot n1. he gave no explanation for why he didnt shoot n1, he didnt elaborate on his role or his action n1

the counterargument to that is that alison and sig arent in a wolf chat together, so they couldnt communicate that. the counter-counter argument to that is that the main pack wolves could have been alerted as to whom did sig (if he is a lost wolf vig) shoots every night as part of their roles

-tutuu

Ok if sig flips mafia party is not mafia

[Kate]

Part of me hates letting my team down and wants to live to redeem myself somehow.

Part of me would be happier out of my misery because honestly to never should've signed up for this game.

Is this an admission bc it sure looks like it.

[Master Radishes]

So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.

whats your role?

VT

[Master Radishes]

Part of me hates letting my team down and wants to live to redeem myself somehow.

Part of me would be happier out of my misery because honestly to never should've signed up for this game.

Is this an admission bc it sure looks like it.

No?

[Party Crasher]

So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.

whats your role?

VT

Kiwi VT or literal VT?

[RondoDimBuckle]

ok @RondoDimBuckle ill finally get off ur back. for now. but only coz lucy had u as top town

my current poe is MR > Dizzy > Urist

im trying to somewhat balance my reads and lucy's day 1 reads lol

i think it also doesnt conflict with nutella's reads. let me check on those actually

I mean you had me as town d1 what changed things?

[Dyslexicon]

I'll just say it, I will actually be upset if I'm shot over MR, 112 or HK here. I've spent so much time and energy, actively trying to help.

I have things that I think should be clearing for me. And I'd just like to keep playing the game and keep trying to help, PoE or not.

Like I won't be actually upset personally at someone, but I'll be upset in the context of this game.

[Master Radishes]

Like I'm always going to be PoE and I'm going to be an easy one for wolves to push too so if we have KP then yeah I guess use it on me and save me the embarassment of being mischopped.

If I don't get shot I'll continue to sporadically try to contribute.

[Party Crasher]

ok @RondoDimBuckle ill finally get off ur back. for now. but only coz lucy had u as top town

my current poe is MR > Dizzy > Urist

im trying to somewhat balance my reads and lucy's day 1 reads lol

i think it also doesnt conflict with nutella's reads. let me check on those actually

I mean you had me as town d1 what changed things?

i thought that you're too tame, i expected you to go a lot more wild and be at everyone's face more

-t

[Master Radishes]

So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.

whats your role?

VT

Kiwi VT or literal VT?

Just plain VT.

[falcon45ca]

Like I'm always going to be PoE and I'm going to be an easy one for wolves to push too so if we have KP then yeah I guess use it on me and save me the embarassment of being mischopped.

If I don't get shot I'll continue to sporadically try to contribute.

Wilgy must use his shot sooner than later. So, wanna give us a legacy in case you get popped?

[Dyslexicon]

Just plain VT.

I don't believe this.

[Party Crasher]

So like shoot me if you want but also don't. Either way I'll end up disappointed.

whats your role?

VT

Kiwi VT or literal VT?

Just plain VT.

@112 @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @falcon45ca @Guillotine @hollowkatt @Michelle @Porscha @RondoDimBuckle @S~V~S @Scotty @Sloonei @Urist

are any of you plain VTs? im asking coz we dont have any plain vt flips

-t

[sig]

ok @RondoDimBuckle ill finally get off ur back. for now. but only coz lucy had u as top town

my current poe is MR > Dizzy > Urist

im trying to somewhat balance my reads and lucy's day 1 reads lol

i think it also doesnt conflict with nutella's reads. let me check on those actually

I mean you had me as town d1 what changed things?

i thought that you're too tame, i expected you to go a lot more wild and be at everyone's face more

-t

Is mafia rondo more or less likely to do

1. Wall posts
2. Those If such and such happened what would you do

Since he did that a lot in cartoon but hasn’t really this game

[Dyslexicon]

@112 @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @falcon45ca @Guillotine @hollowkatt @Michelle @Porscha @RondoDimBuckle @S~V~S @Scotty @Sloonei @Urist

are any of you plain VTs? im asking coz we dont have any plain vt flips

-t

Nope. Pretty sure that's just mafia

[sig]

If we only have 1 straight VT I 100% bet they’re the lost wolf

[Master Radishes]

Like I'm always going to be PoE and I'm going to be an easy one for wolves to push too so if we have KP then yeah I guess use it on me and save me the embarassment of being mischopped.

If I don't get shot I'll continue to sporadically try to contribute.

Wilgy must use his shot sooner than later. So, wanna give us a legacy in case you get popped?

Legacies are stupid and I never read anyone's so no one should read mine.

Nothing I have to say should really be taken as valuable anyway. I'm pretty out of sync. Also on phone and not gonna type up an essay here.

[sig]

Didn't someone mention Sig hero shooting in another game as well? Didn't somebody talk about that literally this game?

Me, I said that.

Last GoC I vigged Nutella when everyone civ read her and I did the same to Allison at some point I think can’t recall what game though

[Party Crasher]

ok @RondoDimBuckle ill finally get off ur back. for now. but only coz lucy had u as top town

my current poe is MR > Dizzy > Urist

im trying to somewhat balance my reads and lucy's day 1 reads lol

i think it also doesnt conflict with nutella's reads. let me check on those actually

I mean you had me as town d1 what changed things?

i thought that you're too tame, i expected you to go a lot more wild and be at everyone's face more

-t

Is mafia rondo more or less likely to do

1. Wall posts
2. Those If such and such happened what would you do

Since he did that a lot in cartoon but hasn’t really this game

I don't know. I just think that players who enjoy being very wild as town tend to dial back and be more reasonable as mafia. Because they're used to causing chaos and gathering suspicioun as town. So when they rand mafia the first instinct is to be more tame. Is how I view things in general, not for rondo specifically

[RondoDimBuckle]

I currently have these players are town

Neon - Well out of wolfrange, claimed Sabi kill.
sig - Claimed Alison kill, seemed fairly townie from interaction with Mac today.
Golden - If his claim is correct, then his mech handling of Alison and wonder at SOD3 if he was involved in killing Alison are good looks.

MacDougall - His self towncase looks solid and I'm content with that for now. Also the worry I had about him EOD1 has mostly evaporated. Also I think his worldview post is outside of his scumrange.
EnderWiggin - Ender's progressions and attempts to solve the game today look good. His role is confirmed and it's probably town (unless he's teammates with exactly DrWilgy and Scotty). @EnderWiggin why did you pick these two players.
Party Crasher - Probably not mafia for masssive hydra reasons, and looks like they're playing pro-town. Their read on Alison is correct. Given how Alison was vigged in the thread position she was in, where I think she was mostly townread, I think anyone who was actually pushing her is less likely to be her teammate.

RondoDimBuckle - Putting him here for now because he claims he can clear himself, also I looked back at his ISO last night and I thought his EOD2 was fine. He didn't really push Sean, but in a sean/Rondo w/w world, I would expect a little more effort to push a wagon onto a non-wolf player. That said, one thing I did not like from Rondo is that he did vote for me near EOD. Rondo/Urist would be the first to drop from this tier if self-resolving doesn't happen.
Urist - Rondo claimed he can clear him.




That leaves the following group of players to sort.


112
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
Guillotine
hollowkatt
Kate
Lilypetal
master radishes
Michelle
Porscha
S~V~S
Scotty
Sloonei

Eh clear him is a big statement I would say more I don't want him to go over today but otherwise I think he has been towny at times. I am by no means a god reader of urist

[Dyslexicon]

@DrWilgy MR claimed plain VT when there aren't plain VTs. Pretty sure they are just mafia, please shoot there

[Master Radishes]

I'm actually PGO just didn't want to give the mafia too much info.