Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Why did you choose to target me and Wilgy on Night 1?

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

[Sloonei]

my theory:

SVS has a shield because the soup kill (or just 2 day kills) were encapsulated onto her role

Rondo is a mafia role cop

He peeked Hkatt and found out that Hkatt is the role SVS claimed. SVS copy pasted the claim

-t

How does Wilgy flip town and you still think I am wolf? lol

Mine and wilgy's roles are completely irrelevant if your claim is false.

you know you are town. So this is just funny to me

I am trying to read you.

[Sloonei]

@RondoDimBuckle Why did you choose to target me and Wilgy on Night 1?

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

[Party Crasher]

@RondoDimBuckle Why did you choose to target me and Wilgy on Night 1?

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

Hey Sloonei, I hope you empathize with my demeanor earlier, seeing as you're attempting to communicate with Rondo, and I think I know what's going through your head. I have been scumreading him since day 1. That is more than 2 weeks of real life time, what I have went through, the thing you're going through now.

@Guillotine Can you please explain your strategy yesterday EoD? You were flipping between SVS and Scotty a lot. Can you please explain in detail what was your plan?

-t

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Why did you choose to target me and Wilgy on Night 1?

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

look, you hit the nail on the head. That is why I am not answering it. I am not answering which nail on which head. But wilgy has flipped town and I have protected you when you were pushed as low hanging fruit all game. Trust me if I was wolf why would I pick two potential tinfoils / lhf and shield them all game? Especially ones that can wake up and destroy the wold faction?

[Golden]

I've never had town flips restore so much hope in me, and now I'm wondering why

The end of a whole non-town faction helps.

[Sloonei]

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

look, you hit the nail on the head. That is why I am not answering it. I am not answering which nail on which head. But wilgy has flipped town and I have protected you when you were pushed as low hanging fruit all game. Trust me if I was wolf why would I pick two potential tinfoils / lhf and shield them all game? Especially ones that can wake up and destroy the wold faction?

Because it buys you time.

Why can't you answer these questions? What is gained by not providing an answer? The aim of these questions is to hopefully clear your name if you are town.

[Party Crasher]

At least 7 different villagers have tried to persuade me to drop my Rondo scumread over the course of the game

Look at his posts. Just look at them.

And then the galaxy brain scotty CFD happened

You guys very much deserved the shitstorm I unleashed upon you earlier this day phase lmao

-t

[RondoDimBuckle]

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

look, you hit the nail on the head. That is why I am not answering it. I am not answering which nail on which head. But wilgy has flipped town and I have protected you when you were pushed as low hanging fruit all game. Trust me if I was wolf why would I pick two potential tinfoils / lhf and shield them all game? Especially ones that can wake up and destroy the wold faction?

Because it buys you time.

Why can't you answer these questions? What is gained by not providing an answer? The aim of these questions is to hopefully clear your name if you are town.

Because there is a soup out there and I dont want to answer it and get souped bringing us to lylo (which I assume nook would announce) when svs is the shot. If I answer it tomorrow are you ok with that? I know how suspicious that looks but Its really all I am comfortable with atm

[Golden]

We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

[RondoDimBuckle]

At least 7 different villagers have tried to persuade me to drop my Rondo scumread over the course of the game

Look at his posts. Just look at them.

And then the galaxy brain scotty CFD happened

You guys very much deserved the shitstorm I unleashed upon you earlier this day phase lmao

-t

if 7 villagers are town reading me despide my fuckery maybe you are just wrong and they have a better read on me?

[Golden]

@RondoDimBuckle Why did you choose to target me and Wilgy on Night 1?

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?

[Sloonei]

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

look, you hit the nail on the head. That is why I am not answering it. I am not answering which nail on which head. But wilgy has flipped town and I have protected you when you were pushed as low hanging fruit all game. Trust me if I was wolf why would I pick two potential tinfoils / lhf and shield them all game? Especially ones that can wake up and destroy the wold faction?

Because it buys you time.

Why can't you answer these questions? What is gained by not providing an answer? The aim of these questions is to hopefully clear your name if you are town.

Because there is a soup out there and I dont want to answer it and get souped bringing us to lylo (which I assume nook would announce) when svs is the shot. If I answer it tomorrow are you ok with that? I know how suspicious that looks but Its really all I am comfortable with atm

It looks as if SVS is going over today regardless, so if you prefer to wait an extra day, that is acceptable.

[RondoDimBuckle]

We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed

[Sloonei]

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?

A good question.

[RondoDimBuckle]

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?

at the risk of looking worse. Ender will agree with me that is a dangerous line of thought.

[RondoDimBuckle]

for exactly the reason you think

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?

also such a fucking towny line of thought and defense. I dont think a wolf would have come to bat for me there. Golden, I was starting to eyeball you after the event flip but damn if youve just given me the warm fuzzies. If you're wolf here, you're winning because I am ride or die with you now

[Golden]

We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

[Golden]

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?

also such a fucking towny line of thought and defense. I dont think a wolf would have come to bat for me there. Golden, I was starting to eyeball you after the event flip but damn if youve just given me the warm fuzzies. If you're wolf here, you're winning because I am ride or die with you now

I have been saying this since day one.

I am nowhere near my wolf range lol.

[RondoDimBuckle]

We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia

[RondoDimBuckle]

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?

also such a fucking towny line of thought and defense. I dont think a wolf would have come to bat for me there. Golden, I was starting to eyeball you after the event flip but damn if youve just given me the warm fuzzies. If you're wolf here, you're winning because I am ride or die with you now

I have been saying this since day one.

I am nowhere near my wolf range lol.

that assumes I know your meta / dont attribute everyone the same range I have

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also condolences on sloonie dying tonight. Which means I should probably answer his question now....

[Golden]

You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?

at the risk of looking worse. Ender will agree with me that is a dangerous line of thought.

I mean, it’s a dangerous ‘case closed’, but no line of thought in mafia is dangerous if you come to the right conclusions.

I don’t think you look worse, or would feel like you look worse, if you were wolf here by providing a motivation rather than by hinting that the answer is there if only you look. W!rondo would have thought through and known exactly why t!rondo might make this choice, and would have seeded it. You’d have had ages to assess the risk and I think you’d be feeling completely fine about a lie here.

Genuinely I just think this convo plays differently if you’re wolf, even if you don’t give a straight answer.

[Golden]

We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia

That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.

[RondoDimBuckle]

hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.

Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?

I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me

I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.

Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?

at the risk of looking worse. Ender will agree with me that is a dangerous line of thought.

I mean, it’s a dangerous ‘case closed’, but no line of thought in mafia is dangerous if you come to the right conclusions.

I don’t think you look worse, or would feel like you look worse, if you were wolf here by providing a motivation rather than by hinting that the answer is there if only you look. W!rondo would have thought through and known exactly why t!rondo might make this choice, and would have seeded it. You’d have had ages to assess the risk and I think you’d be feeling completely fine about a lie here.

Genuinely I just think this convo plays differently if you’re wolf, even if you don’t give a straight answer.

I do like lying

[RondoDimBuckle]

We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia

That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.

but lets do the maths as well, 3 town vs 2 town, id rather 2 town die. We should have just gone for the rand deaths.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Nanook is just pulling out a bunch of classic psychological games where the prisoners have to trust each other / do nothing and we keep failing. Its frustrating for me after the fact because I know how to win those games.

[Porscha]

I cant believe nook made me wolf against my comrades just to have them die in this game

Ok this is bullshit, it was an event in this game, how did you not know it would effect this game?

Rondo town people were dying either way. I knew it would affect this game. f me and PC had lost then we would have flipped instead and I cant say for certain on what PC would flip but i would have just been another town flip
And personally I'm not gonna off myself on purpose so idk where the confusion is coming from but please ask specific questions if you have them or realize townies were dying regardless of what happened in the event

[Golden]

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia

That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.

but lets do the maths as well, 3 town vs 2 town, id rather 2 town die. We should have just gone for the rand deaths.

Nanook knows what he’s doing. That contest was town-bait, objectively no one should have signed up until we discussed who and pushed people into it, but that was never gonna happen.

When I saw the playerlist I immediately thought ‘ok this is probably five town’ lol.

I guess sig was playing with house money because he can still win which explains him signing up despite not being town.

[S~V~S]

Well that explains why Sig was so hysterical and pushy about chopping me.

Hey look at that, we can stop worrying about mod squad.

So what does that do for our SVS reads?

Um, I never claimed to be Mod Squad? Quite the opposite, in fact.

TBH, I am pleased to even still be here, I expected to be chopped yesterday, and it was fun engaging in shenanigans that kept me here another day (although maybe not so fun for Scotty). So I'm content to go, but you all need to realize I'm what I claim to be. And chop me as that, not convince yourself I'm bad for whatever reason.

I know it isn't "proof", there is no "proof", nor should there be. But there is something close.

Early in the game, I tried to provoke two people to freak out (sorry not fair, but true). Nanook did not specifically forbid it, and I didn't ask. He didn't give me grief after so I'm guessing it was ok.

First there was Rondo. Based on past experience, I expected him to huff and puff and say *SOMETHING* I could use. But he didn't. He actually seemed a bit abashed, and I felt bad about it.

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Doesn't seem feasible for someone who still eats crayons

He eats colored pencils!

Reading is fundamental.

oops, you already made the joke for me

Hi Kate!

Do you think Dennis is wolf or town so far?

Town. He doesn't seem nervous at all. He was nervous when he was mafia. Plus with this many people, he'd be more nervous.

OK, this was the post I was talking about earlier.

I was thinking that maybe he might be more comfortable after Cartomancy, he seemed pretty acclimated to Baddiedom by the end of that. I ask you this not becasue I specifically suspect him, but because so many others do.

Why are they wrong? I have to go back and iso him, there's no way i'm gonna catch up by reading the thread in context at this point. Also, what is your feel on Golden? I don't think him townreading you out of the gate is AI, it's something he'd do either way, and I am not a fan of the people who jumped on him for it, but didn't jump on the jillions od posts out there, "Player x, Town". But it didn't autoclear him for me, and I'd like to know what you think.

I am gonna try to come up with a ragged reads list; ragged becasue I don't know lots of people, and don't fully understand their suspicions. Day One is hard. Especially when work is a bitch.

This is a wolfy post fmpov. I have never felt like SVS is one to complain, just get stuck into it. But n=2 so we will see.

Jesus it took me five minutes just to isolate these clips out of the quote text.

You don't know me, you don't know my game. LGM was half a game, and you checked out of Felt. When you subbed into LGM, I was TERRIFIED of you. I almost backed out of Felt when you signed up at the last minute, I found you so frightening (Kate will vouch). In LGM you barked orders, unreasonable hypothetical requests and demands for lists I wasn't prepared to make. And I did all of it, to still be in your POE when I was a civ. I don't know if you thought that was all funny, or what.

Then in Felt you lost your shit when Falcon was lynched, and mostly ghosted the game. So how do you know I don't complain? Becasue i meekly did what you demanded of me, and was too terrified (not your fault by the way, just my reaction to your whole "Rondoness") to tell you to fuck off in LGM, lol? I always try to be polite but even polite people have bad days.

You do you, I am not critisizing you, just explaining where you might have gotten the idea I was a compliant meek person. I am not.

Can someone summarize for me (and maybe all the other catcher uppers) why Dennis has six votes? Like a Cliffs notes lol

Read my ISO, the big wall posts are a big summary of what I think matters D1. But still not complete game encompassing. I want your reads list tyvm

I am reading ISOs alphabetically, I might not get to you until late. I did take Dennis out of order since when I got home he was vote leader, and I don't see what the big issue is, so I am asking people who suspect him to summarize. I plan to read on my own as well, but am asking for some help here, not trying to skirt my homework, Mr DimBuckle, sir.

I do plan on having a list of some kind before EOD, I don't have much else to do except play Mafia today, though. I've mostly heard only the loud voices, today I need to ISO and read the quiet voices.

then I tried to tip my BFF Kate, lol, cause I thought I could (which was also not very nice of me; after this I never bothered trying again). I figured I could push her buttons, but I either tried too hard or I tried too soft. It didn't work, either. I "Jesus Christed" her and then referred to another post she had made about me and the Lost Wolf TMI in a way that was kinda designed to piss her off.

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Well, this turned out to not be true.

I just voted Cape90 on the poll, I was thinking I did it 2 hours ago when I posted about it but apparently nope.

@lucy: can you give me your thoughts on him? (particularly his last read list)

Voting in the thread, but not in the poll.

You're wolfing my dude.

I'm at Friday PM now, and they've put forth their first major ping, Creature.

They got between Sabi and Lucy who were kinda "fuck offing" each other. NAI, Marmot's a person who doesn't love conflict, imo.

Made a soft push towards Dennis, but backed off pretty much immediately. Not sure if this is AI or not?

Something I noticed, Dennis seemed a lot more content talking/joking with Kate, than anyone else itt earlier.

I don't really think that's AI though, unless they're exactly wolf partners together like they were in Cartomancy

i mean i guess that makes sense regardless. i do tr kate and would put some weight on her read of dennis too

(I forgot to add) Dennis was reluctant to sign up for this game given the size.


Why do people scumread Dennis? I missed all of that content.

I did agree with Marmot 100% here, I didn't really see it either. *Waits for someone to yell "Pocketing! TMI!" at me.

Someone earlier said that Marmot and Sabi have a sup0er close relationship? They ask Sabis opinion quite a bit, is this NAI given that?

Here Marmot says he's concerned about Sabi, implying Sabi could be bad. I'm guessing that means the same as "worried"?

I should do some work

bbl

Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.

I just pulled this because Mac called them a "flippin merman" which I found hilarious. A bit later Marmot called Mac a "flippin Mermac" which was also hilarious.

I'm not really feeling a Creature vote atm.

Who else should I vote?

why don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin merman

Thanks, I'll try.

He made a few temp votes, made a case on Cape. He wishied, he washied, which is not totally fair, since I did pretty much quite a bit of the same, tbh.

All in all, I was fairly convinced by the bit with Neon (who I had forgotten had been a woof in Holes) who came out of it very civ, marmot not so much.

Gonna [VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine for now, they haven't been in here all day and I'd like to hear what they say.

@Dyslexicon Sure it's fair. I have been flying low, and not playing at the level I am capable of. Plus I know it's cheesy and weak, two things I dislike, especially in myself, but I was a bit overwhelmed by the massiveness of this thread the first few (calendar) days. I tend to be a meta player, and all the people I didn't know flinging suspish at other people I didn't know for reasons I didn't understand kinda made me freeze a bit. I think I'm starting to find my feet, though.

I'm gonna eat dinner and keep reading, bbl.

I'm not sure what she's saying here about Creature, it may be bc I was reading it out of context. Svs, can you clarify?

The only time I've EVER seen svs freeze was not a civ...

I'm addressing this to you, rather than Golden or Scotty, becasue you should know better.

You're looking for Day 3 or 4 SVS here.

You couldn't handle this kind of thread in Cartomancy, yet you seem to think I won't be overwhelmed. Like I'm some sort of super person who won't freeze. Jesus Christ.

You know my game better than anyone. I need meta, and I need to find small things. Which is hard for me in this setting.

Generally I kick into gear when it's time to momma bear, when the wolves fuck with someone I care about. Then I hear that little voice in my ear telling me where to look, how to find them. It was there in the last several games, and it helped me find what I was looking for.

Other than Dennis, who was killed by another townie, I have no idea, or real connection to anyone that was killed. I think most of the people who were killed were killed by town. I haven't found anything to latch on to yet.

And also, I don't fucking know what a Lost Wolf is, it isn't a TMI thing or any other kind of stupid jargon I don't understand. I don't know what it is.

That little voice is not there, and that's OK, I should be able to work without it. And I will, but I need to be given my ground to get my feet. This whole "Oh SVS isn't on fire" or whatever else is ridiculous on Day Two.

Now I have to get in there and see what's what.

If it was up to me, I would keep my vote on Marmot, that's the closest thing to the "little thing" I need to latch onto, the thing he said to Neon. That was such a bad look for him.

But it looks like I'll have to vote to save. Of my esteemed competitors, I felt worse about Sean than Rondo, but that seemed to develop today, and I have to read the case on that.

So i was taking active steps to achieve my win con, and anyone who has played with me before (looking at you Golden) knows these posts are waaaaaay out of character for me.

But as I said, I've had a good run. This was not the ideal role for me since I am prolly the most emo person in this thread. So knock yourselves out and eliminate me.

But know that I'm telling the truth.

BBL in the AM. Have a good night, Happt Mafia Players

Also, @Golden, *You* pushed Marmot? lol, please.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I cant believe nook made me wolf against my comrades just to have them die in this game

Ok this is bullshit, it was an event in this game, how did you not know it would effect this game?

Rondo town people were dying either way. I knew it would affect this game. f me and PC had lost then we would have flipped instead and I cant say for certain on what PC would flip but i would have just been another town flip
And personally I'm not gonna off myself on purpose so idk where the confusion is coming from but please ask specific questions if you have them or realize townies were dying regardless of what happened in the event

Sure, I didnt meant to come off as abrasive as I did. I am just frustrated

[Golden]

Nanook is just pulling out a bunch of classic psychological games where the prisoners have to trust each other / do nothing and we keep failing. Its frustrating for me after the fact because I know how to win those games.

The reason the games are successful is because people who know how to win the games still fail to play them the way they know they should.

[Porscha]

my theory:

SVS has a shield because the soup kill (or just 2 day kills) were encapsulated onto her role

Rondo is a mafia role cop

He peeked Hkatt and found out that Hkatt is the role SVS claimed. SVS copy pasted the claim

-t

This is fun

I am having fun

Porscha and Syn on their way to kill the towncore in order to win the game

-t

Lol stop

[Golden]

Well that explains why Sig was so hysterical and pushy about chopping me.

Hey look at that, we can stop worrying about mod squad.

So what does that do for our SVS reads?

Um, I never claimed to be Mod Squad? Quite the opposite, in fact.

TBH, I am pleased to even still be here, I expected to be chopped yesterday, and it was fun engaging in shenanigans that kept me here another day (although maybe not so fun for Scotty). So I'm content to go, but you all need to realize I'm what I claim to be. And chop me as that, not convince yourself I'm bad for whatever reason.

I know it isn't "proof", there is no "proof", nor should there be. But there is something close.

Early in the game, I tried to provoke two people to freak out (sorry not fair, but true). Nanook did not specifically forbid it, and I didn't ask. He didn't give me grief after so I'm guessing it was ok.

First there was Rondo. Based on past experience, I expected him to huff and puff and say *SOMETHING* I could use. But he didn't. He actually seemed a bit abashed, and I felt bad about it.

Spoiler: show

He eats colored pencils!

Reading is fundamental.

oops, you already made the joke for me

Hi Kate!

Do you think Dennis is wolf or town so far?

Town. He doesn't seem nervous at all. He was nervous when he was mafia. Plus with this many people, he'd be more nervous.

OK, this was the post I was talking about earlier.

I was thinking that maybe he might be more comfortable after Cartomancy, he seemed pretty acclimated to Baddiedom by the end of that. I ask you this not becasue I specifically suspect him, but because so many others do.

Why are they wrong? I have to go back and iso him, there's no way i'm gonna catch up by reading the thread in context at this point. Also, what is your feel on Golden? I don't think him townreading you out of the gate is AI, it's something he'd do either way, and I am not a fan of the people who jumped on him for it, but didn't jump on the jillions od posts out there, "Player x, Town". But it didn't autoclear him for me, and I'd like to know what you think.

I am gonna try to come up with a ragged reads list; ragged becasue I don't know lots of people, and don't fully understand their suspicions. Day One is hard. Especially when work is a bitch.

This is a wolfy post fmpov. I have never felt like SVS is one to complain, just get stuck into it. But n=2 so we will see.

Jesus it took me five minutes just to isolate these clips out of the quote text.

You don't know me, you don't know my game. LGM was half a game, and you checked out of Felt. When you subbed into LGM, I was TERRIFIED of you. I almost backed out of Felt when you signed up at the last minute, I found you so frightening (Kate will vouch). In LGM you barked orders, unreasonable hypothetical requests and demands for lists I wasn't prepared to make. And I did all of it, to still be in your POE when I was a civ. I don't know if you thought that was all funny, or what.

Then in Felt you lost your shit when Falcon was lynched, and mostly ghosted the game. So how do you know I don't complain? Becasue i meekly did what you demanded of me, and was too terrified (not your fault by the way, just my reaction to your whole "Rondoness") to tell you to fuck off in LGM, lol? I always try to be polite but even polite people have bad days.

You do you, I am not critisizing you, just explaining where you might have gotten the idea I was a compliant meek person. I am not.

Can someone summarize for me (and maybe all the other catcher uppers) why Dennis has six votes? Like a Cliffs notes lol

Read my ISO, the big wall posts are a big summary of what I think matters D1. But still not complete game encompassing. I want your reads list tyvm

I am reading ISOs alphabetically, I might not get to you until late. I did take Dennis out of order since when I got home he was vote leader, and I don't see what the big issue is, so I am asking people who suspect him to summarize. I plan to read on my own as well, but am asking for some help here, not trying to skirt my homework, Mr DimBuckle, sir.

I do plan on having a list of some kind before EOD, I don't have much else to do except play Mafia today, though. I've mostly heard only the loud voices, today I need to ISO and read the quiet voices.

then I tried to tip my BFF Kate, lol, cause I thought I could (which was also not very nice of me; after this I never bothered trying again). I figured I could push her buttons, but I either tried too hard or I tried too soft. It didn't work, either. I "Jesus Christed" her and then referred to another post she had made about me and the Lost Wolf TMI in a way that was kinda designed to piss her off.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Well, this turned out to not be true.

I just voted Cape90 on the poll, I was thinking I did it 2 hours ago when I posted about it but apparently nope.

@lucy: can you give me your thoughts on him? (particularly his last read list)

Voting in the thread, but not in the poll.

You're wolfing my dude.

I'm at Friday PM now, and they've put forth their first major ping, Creature.

They got between Sabi and Lucy who were kinda "fuck offing" each other. NAI, Marmot's a person who doesn't love conflict, imo.

Made a soft push towards Dennis, but backed off pretty much immediately. Not sure if this is AI or not?

Something I noticed, Dennis seemed a lot more content talking/joking with Kate, than anyone else itt earlier.

I don't really think that's AI though, unless they're exactly wolf partners together like they were in Cartomancy

i mean i guess that makes sense regardless. i do tr kate and would put some weight on her read of dennis too

(I forgot to add) Dennis was reluctant to sign up for this game given the size.


Why do people scumread Dennis? I missed all of that content.

I did agree with Marmot 100% here, I didn't really see it either. *Waits for someone to yell "Pocketing! TMI!" at me.

Someone earlier said that Marmot and Sabi have a sup0er close relationship? They ask Sabis opinion quite a bit, is this NAI given that?

Here Marmot says he's concerned about Sabi, implying Sabi could be bad. I'm guessing that means the same as "worried"?

I should do some work

bbl

Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.

I just pulled this because Mac called them a "flippin merman" which I found hilarious. A bit later Marmot called Mac a "flippin Mermac" which was also hilarious.

I'm not really feeling a Creature vote atm.

Who else should I vote?

why don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin merman

Thanks, I'll try.

He made a few temp votes, made a case on Cape. He wishied, he washied, which is not totally fair, since I did pretty much quite a bit of the same, tbh.

All in all, I was fairly convinced by the bit with Neon (who I had forgotten had been a woof in Holes) who came out of it very civ, marmot not so much.

Gonna [VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine for now, they haven't been in here all day and I'd like to hear what they say.

@Dyslexicon Sure it's fair. I have been flying low, and not playing at the level I am capable of. Plus I know it's cheesy and weak, two things I dislike, especially in myself, but I was a bit overwhelmed by the massiveness of this thread the first few (calendar) days. I tend to be a meta player, and all the people I didn't know flinging suspish at other people I didn't know for reasons I didn't understand kinda made me freeze a bit. I think I'm starting to find my feet, though.

I'm gonna eat dinner and keep reading, bbl.

I'm not sure what she's saying here about Creature, it may be bc I was reading it out of context. Svs, can you clarify?

The only time I've EVER seen svs freeze was not a civ...

I'm addressing this to you, rather than Golden or Scotty, becasue you should know better.

You're looking for Day 3 or 4 SVS here.

You couldn't handle this kind of thread in Cartomancy, yet you seem to think I won't be overwhelmed. Like I'm some sort of super person who won't freeze. Jesus Christ.

You know my game better than anyone. I need meta, and I need to find small things. Which is hard for me in this setting.

Generally I kick into gear when it's time to momma bear, when the wolves fuck with someone I care about. Then I hear that little voice in my ear telling me where to look, how to find them. It was there in the last several games, and it helped me find what I was looking for.

Other than Dennis, who was killed by another townie, I have no idea, or real connection to anyone that was killed. I think most of the people who were killed were killed by town. I haven't found anything to latch on to yet.

And also, I don't fucking know what a Lost Wolf is, it isn't a TMI thing or any other kind of stupid jargon I don't understand. I don't know what it is.

That little voice is not there, and that's OK, I should be able to work without it. And I will, but I need to be given my ground to get my feet. This whole "Oh SVS isn't on fire" or whatever else is ridiculous on Day Two.

Now I have to get in there and see what's what.

If it was up to me, I would keep my vote on Marmot, that's the closest thing to the "little thing" I need to latch onto, the thing he said to Neon. That was such a bad look for him.

But it looks like I'll have to vote to save. Of my esteemed competitors, I felt worse about Sean than Rondo, but that seemed to develop today, and I have to read the case on that.

So i was taking active steps to achieve my win con, and anyone who has played with me before (looking at you Golden) knows these posts are waaaaaay out of character for me.

But as I said, I've had a good run. This was not the ideal role for me since I am prolly the most emo person in this thread. So knock yourselves out and eliminate me.

But know that I'm telling the truth.

BBL in the AM. Have a good night, Happt Mafia Players

Also, @Golden, *You* pushed Marmot? lol, please.

Yeah, a lot happened when Mac was building the PoE. One of those things was I isoed marmot and then I pushed him quite hard until his wagon took off and then I backed off and thought I was wrong.

[Porscha]

I cant believe nook made me wolf against my comrades just to have them die in this game

Ok this is bullshit, it was an event in this game, how did you not know it would effect this game?

Rondo town people were dying either way. I knew it would affect this game. f me and PC had lost then we would have flipped instead and I cant say for certain on what PC would flip but i would have just been another town flip
And personally I'm not gonna off myself on purpose so idk where the confusion is coming from but please ask specific questions if you have them or realize townies were dying regardless of what happened in the event

Sure, I didnt meant to come off as abrasive as I did. I am just frustrated

The reality is the best way to play the game was to not play it and have the 2 random mod kills

[S~V~S]

Just answering my @'s.

Spoiler: show

No we need tk rwoslve SVS today


We have no clue if she’s really 3P

If she is 3P she very clearly this last phase showed she only cares about her own survival. Which means when push comes to shove she’ll vote with mafia to win

This is a bit of a stretch, and almost sounds a bit hysterical on your part.

I have to find a number of people making AtE (and the one I had died, so I’m unlikely to meet that since Nanook said the game would not last that long). Other than that I have to be alive at games end. So yeah, if I have a chance to live I’ll take it.

Rather than worrying about 3P, you might do better to be trying to figure out who is actually bad.

There’s zero reason to assume you’re even 3P

There was a last minute coordinating effort to save you

You’re attempting to gaslight here by calling my hysterical when it’s in fact common sense

How many baddies do you think are left, that 5 people supposedly coordinated to save me?

Like I said, sounds a bit hysterical. Worried someone’s gonna take a look at you?

I have no reason to think you’re bad; indeed, iirc I was one of the people rolling their eyes at the people doubting you killed Alison.

I’ll still be here to chop eod (maybe; maybe I’ll get killed by Enders gift). But discussing who else may be bad isn’t a bad idea. Take a deep breath and a drink of water.

Nope you’re likely mafia or mafia sides and need to be flipped

Since when did mafia need to have the entire wagon to coordinate a CFD? It takes one threading the flood to make it happen then people playing along. In this case 2 mafia and you + 2 town can make it happen not that hard to do.

Especially when one of those town members is gullio who isn’t really caught up

How many Mafia do you think are left? Me and 2 Mafia? Other than me who do you think these two Mafia are? Plus at least 1 Mod Squad. So you think 4 of 12 are still bad? It is possible I guess, but not really likely.

Yea I think two mafia left is reasonable thay would be a 7 person team + a total of four 3P that gets them at 1/3 of player list not being town

Looks like you had some inside info there, eh? Sorry replying to dead people is perhaps poor form, but I had to wonder why sig was so rabid for my death.

[Golden]

Yeah svs you WERE way out of character lol. That’s why for ages I was saying things like ‘something isn’t right with svs’ or ‘she’s not on her town game’ because I could tell something was up but I couldn’t work out what exactly.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm ngl I keep coming back to believing in S~V~S.

[S~V~S]

Party Crasher and Dyslexicon are w/w

Svs made a very believable claim that shes a 3p who kills people at night who AtE

I gave her Dizzys posts on a silver platter so she kills him tonight. As in, i quoted them and pinged her

I chose Dizzy over other people. Think about that

-t

I'm pretty sure @S~V~S said they couldn't kill yet, but she should clarify.

Nope. I submitted one name that was accepted, HK, so i needed 3 more, but they died, so I needed 4 more again. I have a name to submit tonight should I live (spoiler; it's you!) but it's pretty pointless at this point, imo.

[Party Crasher]

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia

That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.

but lets do the maths as well, 3 town vs 2 town, id rather 2 town die. We should have just gone for the rand deaths.

not really understanding your attempted argument here. wilgy was constantly tinfoiled and our hydra strongly believed sig wasn't town. falcon was unfortunate but what are you going to do lol

your suggested alternative is to kill a very townie porscha and pop our vest for raisins, thus resolving nobody in the other group and just reducing town mobility

(also I see your transparent pocketing attempt on golden)

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

[S~V~S]

Yeah svs you WERE way out of character lol. That’s why for ages I was saying things like ‘something isn’t right with svs’ or ‘she’s not on her town game’ because I could tell something was up but I couldn’t work out what exactly.

Well, yeah, I was getting aggressive in a way that isn't normal for me. I wasn't on my town game, I was trying to get people to say emo stuff so I could spend the rest of the game lolcatting ha ha

[RondoDimBuckle]

I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.

I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed

Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.

for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia

That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.

but lets do the maths as well, 3 town vs 2 town, id rather 2 town die. We should have just gone for the rand deaths.

Nanook knows what he’s doing. That contest was town-bait, objectively no one should have signed up until we discussed who and pushed people into it, but that was never gonna happen.

When I saw the playerlist I immediately thought ‘ok this is probably five town’ lol.

I guess sig was playing with house money because he can still win which explains him signing up despite not being town.

ok if that is true. Then Porscha and PC are just town / not mafia and I need to lay off them. Sloonie, me, you are town as well. who does that leave me with? Ender / SVS / Dizzy / Guillo - so its either.
SVS + Ender, Ender + Dizzy, Ender + Guillo
SVS + Ender, SVS + Dizzy, SVS + Guillo
Dizzy + Ender, Dizzy + SVS, Dizzy + Guillo
Guillo + Ender, Guillo + SVS, Guillo + Dizzy

Removing duplicates:
SVS + Ender, Ender + Dizzy, Ender + Guillo, SVS + Dizzy, SVS + Guillo, Dizzy + Guillo
Which is most likely?

People keep saying guillo is town from the CC but he gave it up pretty fast imho. But he did defend me against PC. But it could be a pocket.
Ender has been the main force of me being read as wolf and hasnt let it go, he also killed Michelle someone who can read him well, I also do not believe he wouldnt read his role carefully and get confused by it. But Nanook is crafty.
SVS is probably just scum here especially after the EOD choice of scotty over her.
Dizzy has made it to late game, dizzy isnt hitting wolves and doing the scum hunting I expect

so SVS + Dizzy is the world I live in atm but I would love to hear what people think of the above

[Syn]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

i love you, ender

-syn

[Party Crasher]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

i love you, ender

-syn

haha what an idiot

[Porscha]

Tbf I see what rondo is on about but I've found PC to be very townie the past like 72 hours so i wasnt gonna tank that for the sake of solving pc when I was also worried about wilgy a bit and didnt trust sig either

[RondoDimBuckle]

I just read SVS's post, and damn it my work above is pointless, gotta redo

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

i love you, ender

-syn

Thanks Lisa.

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

i love you, ender

-syn

haha what an idiot

Lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

Nanook is just pulling out a bunch of classic psychological games where the prisoners have to trust each other / do nothing and we keep failing. Its frustrating for me after the fact because I know how to win those games.

The reason the games are successful is because people who know how to win the games still fail to play them the way they know they should.

I showed up in the dnd chat too late to fix it d2, the goal is to trade all your stuff to one person so everyone can get more resources and one person craft. Everyone was acting like an individual so we got less than half of the resources we should have.