Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[S~V~S]

I'm like 99% sure that was a joke

Are you a lawyer? How much are your services?

He's a paralegal.

Doesn't seem feasible for someone who still eats crayons

He eats colored pencils!

Reading is fundamental.

oops, you already made the joke for me

Hi Kate!

Do you think Dennis is wolf or town so far?

Town. He doesn't seem nervous at all. He was nervous when he was mafia. Plus with this many people, he'd be more nervous.

OK, this was the post I was talking about earlier.

I was thinking that maybe he might be more comfortable after Cartomancy, he seemed pretty acclimated to Baddiedom by the end of that. I ask you this not becasue I specifically suspect him, but because so many others do.

Why are they wrong? I have to go back and iso him, there's no way i'm gonna catch up by reading the thread in context at this point. Also, what is your feel on Golden? I don't think him townreading you out of the gate is AI, it's something he'd do either way, and I am not a fan of the people who jumped on him for it, but didn't jump on the jillions od posts out there, "Player x, Town". But it didn't autoclear him for me, and I'd like to know what you think.

I am gonna try to come up with a ragged reads list; ragged becasue I don't know lots of people, and don't fully understand their suspicions. Day One is hard. Especially when work is a bitch.

[Lilypetal]

lucy carry me through day 1 there are too many ppl and im scared

your reads list i agree with of the ppl i have reads on though

vote pyxxy

maybe ill think about it

[nutella]

you all keep saying I am LHF

...who has said this lmao

[Marmot]

I feel bad for the top portion of the alphabet. 20/36 votes are currently on the first 11 players in the poll.

[Sabiplz]

i kinda tr sabi after seeing their scum game again

Explain

[S~V~S]

112; content is very smol, but also kinda mighty.

Its decidedly unfun to have someone repeatedly shout, over literally a single post, "x is a wolf" and I'm here for a good time.

Basically you're annoying and boring and I don't have time for that

Im sure it is unfun to get correctly scum read off a post like that. What did you think? That it was gonna work again?

Fuck off guillotine. You're being a belligerent bellend and I'm done dealing with you.

Another overreaction. We can do this all day, this kind of responses will not get me to back off, totally the contrary.

Hi.

8 pages already is ludicrous, don’t count on me to read that.

Here’s a quick summary so you don’t have to:

-Guillo vs HK is a WWE match- nothing of substance and lots of play fighting

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Nothing of substace?

Im not gonna let you pass up my push on HK as nothing of substance.

But if Scotty is scum, Hollowkatt is town based on that post.

Guillo, I got nothing more out of your ISO. Your read on HK is still a very early micro-reads that you are entertaining. You are also overreacting. (giggles)

HK never reacts to me like this as town. He expressed a townread on me for NAI reasons and i can see it as an attempt to pocket me and also associate me with him.
He personally attacked me which he has never done and bailed out, so im willing to flip him to find out what's up.

I actually think the totally overblown insult clears him. Someone with team members they're closely associating with via DM does not make a post like that.

I am also glad the first person on the player list quoted this, so I am seeing this complex looking situation while i am still fresh and enthusiastic.

Also I tend to agree; people with a chat room are less likely to spew "fuck off"s into the thread imo.

They voted for Alison, but gave no reason why. So hrm. Overall a null; I like their strut but I need to see more of it to form an opinion. I don't think I've ever seen 112 before.

Linki @Creature (or @nutella )~ what is an LHF?

[pyxxy]

I am 95%+ likely to use my gun on a lowposter by the way.

by choice or by rule? or both?

I can use it on anyone I want, but the way it works makes it a lot more profitable if I shoot a zeroposter that doesn't care about the game and will realistically be POE'd forever

interesting

[nutella]

LHF means low hanging fruit, basically refers to a low posting player who is easy to mischop/tends to end up in POE. I don't think anyone said that about Creature (closest is that some mentioned he's posting a little bit less than is expected from him, and I'm not even sure of that at this point)

[Lilypetal]

i kinda tr sabi after seeing their scum game again

Explain

idk you just seem more alive

[Marmot]

I browsed some of Dennis's ISO.

Dennis doesn't feel like Dennis from Cartomancy (his only scum game), where I think he did play with a lot of snark and confidence, but often strayed towards posts that didn't offer much content.

He is making reads (NAI), but he's also engaging in extended interactions and offering some clarity in his thought process which I think is rand!v. Golden mentioned in P#2084 that he finds players who excuse themselves from solving early in this game due to the volume to be mildly scummy, but even though Dennis made that excuse, he isn't even doing that, and that was true as of the time Golden made that comment.

It is possible that w!Dennis realizes that the way he played in Cartomancy would be hard to replicate again given it would just be hard to get away with relying purely on snark again, but I don't think this is it.

[Cape90]

also what made me get less towny

I thought you were kinda towny at SOD. Then I didn't get anything off of you returning. Dunno about now

[Cape90]

I like SVS's post on 112.

I am not catching up

[pyxxy]

Anyway get at least one wagon at five votes. It's beyond stupid there are like 36 votes in total but so far no wagon ever had more than 4 votes and now the top wagons are all at 3 votes.

this is kinda of an "acksually" post but I remember the Dennis wagon having 5 votes at some point

at some point before you pushing it back to 5+ right now, I mean, I think it was my yesterday evening but idr exactly

[Sabiplz]

i kinda tr sabi after seeing their scum game again

Explain

idk you just seem more alive

Fair

I'm glad you can read me finally

[Marmot]

also what made me get less towny

I thought you were kinda towny at SOD. Then I didn't get anything off of you returning. Dunno about now

I think nutella is v.

I'm relying on meta where she's almost as polarizing of a wolf as I am, and except for her opening posts, she doesn't seem to have much trouble engaging and challenging other players.

I don't know if she had trouble posting early on, but she did seem to post less frequently.

[pyxxy]

+1 to let's not kill dennis

[Cape90]

Urist is strange but slightly towny. If not only for his read on Kate

[Cape90]

TSP I'm hard reading as post restricted. Hard calling it

[Cape90]

I like 112s contributions so far

[Marmot]

TSP I'm hard reading as post restricted. Hard calling it

Why do you think that?

[robyn]

cape/marmot town fr

[Cape90]

TSP I'm hard reading as post restricted. Hard calling it

Why do you think that?

Him openly claiming PR

Him admitting he should be killed for being powerful PR.

Him saying he isn't gonna post much

[Cape90]

I apologize if misremembering pronouns. I cannot check on phone

[Cape90]

I am back. Haven't read anything. Someone fill me in if there were claims or something.

Go check Cape90's most recent read list fam.

I didn't claim nothing

[Marmot]

TSP I'm hard reading as post restricted. Hard calling it

Why do you think that?

Him openly claiming PR

Him admitting he should be killed for being powerful PR.

Him saying he isn't gonna post much

Yeah I should've opened up his ISO before asking this

I won't be voting him today at least.

[Marmot]

TSP is he/him yeah

(also ftr, I use they/them @everyone)

[MacDougall]

But seriously @MacDougall why don’t you think Lucy is attempting to solve?

I didn't say that

[Sabiplz]

TSP is he/him yeah

(also ftr, I use they/them @everyone)

More like cuthey/cuthem (I tried)

[Sabiplz]

I use they/them

[Cape90]

I like Nutellas posts with their recent stuff

[MacDougall]

townreading Golden and Iawy for haughty overwrought content is like scumreading TSP for doing nothing but shitposting. Only someone experiencing deep generational poverty would.

There’s a reason why it’s so often townie for me, and presumptuously discounting it and shaming others for considering it because it doesn’t fit your biased worldview is very -EV

Come off it IAWY I've seen you wolf and post like this enough. Saying blatantly false shit is pretty dumb.

[MacDougall]

cape/marmot town fr

Okay I'll townread this cuz I was just thinking the same thing.

[nutella]

TSP I'm hard reading as post restricted. Hard calling it

Why do you think that?

Him openly claiming PR

Him admitting he should be killed for being powerful PR.

Him saying he isn't gonna post much

Yeah I should've opened up his ISO before asking this

I won't be voting him today at least.

but like...thats just tsp

[MacDougall]

I use they/them

[Cape90]

Skimming makes me like Alison and Dizzy

[Cape90]

lucy is objectively wolfsiding with her reads

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

37/40

-tutuu

TMI on me

[Urist]

Oh my hecking gosh Nanook it's 7:07 what the hecking hey is the holdup here gee gosh??!

[Cape90]

omg yes Ender is playing. I will tunnel him. @hollowkatt join, it will be fun

rondo will join u

Negative, Ender has put himself in an interesting position. I want to see it play out

@hollowkatt @falcon45ca which one of your is a wolf if any? What are your opinions on each other?

I'm town, it's clearly laid out in my first post.



HK...is he town? Is he maf? I dunno, haven't thought about it too much as of yet. His reaction to Guillo's early tunnel is more towny than not, but it's not a lot to go off.

I am trying to decide if Falcon being willing to actually engage with me is indicative of him being a wolf because he doesnt want to get in a doom spiral or if he has learned from his past games with me. :think:

Spoiler: show

LOL [VOTE: Dennis ] aubergine
Also, light mode? eww

So who is going to get shot? Someone is getting a gun. Should we discuss best shot?

No. Whoever gets the gun should shoot their scum read. Simple!

Don't listen to Guillo, chat is good.

Guillo totally in wolf meta fwiw

Yet I dont see you pointing out anyone to kill or gathering everyone to discuss it. Easy callout, no action behind it

So who is going to get shot? Someone is getting a gun. Should we discuss best shot?

No. Whoever gets the gun should shoot their scum read. Simple!

Don't listen to Guillo, chat is good.

Guillo totally in wolf meta fwiw

I will probably ignore everyone and shoot whoever I want

Hope I don't win

Good good, let the chaos flow through you

Sabi immediatly jumping on Michelle is rand>scum. #neverrescind

explain further

Voters: Party Crasher, Neon, Creature, falcon45ca

Also at least one wolf in here

yet you fail to say which one you think it is? Perhaps its you?

ebwop

ebwop:

I dig it. Micro interactions like this feel very spontaneously and can be harder to pull off when you're hyper-conscious of your perceived association with the other person.

I dont get it.

The theory is basically that mafia partners are more conscious of how they look in relation to one another. As such, they might be more hesitant to engage in casual chatter like this early in a game. Their interactions might instead tend to feel more choreographed, prepared, or calculated. They'll pick their spots.

So when two players freely and spontaneously engage in a silly little side conversation, it can be taken as an indication that they do not have those concerns about perception against them.

This is not a rock solid tell, nor am I saying that I agree or disagree with pyxxy's read of sig and sabiplz. But I can see where the thought comes from, and it is a read I am willing to acknowledge at this stage of the game (even if I'm projecting my own interpretation onto it).

reasonable tell. my plan was to just wait out until numbers dwindle. most likely will sheep alison/mac if i think theyre town since this is their home arena and they'll probs get nkd early if theyre town. once the numbers die down we should work together if we're both still around.

If sloonie is wolf this is +EV of ilario being wolf imho. Ender will know if this is worth reading into better

Voters: Alison, lucy, MacDougall

One wolf here @MacDougall

Voters: Party Crasher, Neon, Creature, falcon45ca

Also at least one wolf in here

Creature only has two posts in the couple hours, and they're both saying that there's a wolf on the leading wagons.

@Creature is there a reason you feel confident there is a wolf on these wagons?

Also creature, same problem again. Which one of Lucy / Alison / Mac is the wolf? Perhaps its none and you are trying to sow division?

I agree. Creature rand> maf

Explain your working

Spoiler: show

So not voting toDay

Dennis
Kate
Golden
Zeus
Lucy
Ender

Not a fan of
Lily
Alison
Rondo

what i do

You seem to care enough to make an explanatory wall.
I haven't seen that from town!you before

Why do people scumread Michelle? I mean, I understand the reasoning, that she is a little stiff, but I sort of expect that in some capacity from her. I don't think of it as AI.

Also I found this particular read nuanced enough, I think it's rand!v for now.

In your estimation can Michelle fake it as wolf? If so then its rand!null

Are you partnered with Michelle?

Spoiler: show

Voters: Alison, lucy, MacDougall

One wolf here @MacDougall

Voters: Party Crasher, Neon, Creature, falcon45ca

Also at least one wolf in here

Creature only has two posts in the couple hours, and they're both saying that there's a wolf on the leading wagons.

@Creature is there a reason you feel confident there is a wolf on these wagons?

It's mostly a saying that any wagon with at least three voters is likely to contain at least one wolf in it regardless of the wagonee's alignment.

That is possibly true

(Quick math suggests in a standard 12v3 game, if there are three players on a wagon Day 1, there is a 48% chance they are all town, and thus a 52% chance that at least one of them is a wolf).


My qualm is that you didn't really explore any of the names, just listed them. Your name is even on one of those lists

ok marmot can be town but if creature flips town or 3p then I will have to re-eval

Neon's my strongest townread atm. She's the top poster, and a large amount of it is fluff yes, but she does seem to be naturally responding with game takes amidst her shitposting, and I think that combination of content is pretty townie.

It's also a drastic change from Holes Mafia, where she had trouble pushing other players in the game when she tried (namely me)

This is a quality post. If Marmot flips wolf then Neon is still town imho(Does that work? I think it does)

The thing with Guillo being that he got outed in anni G2 by HK because he tryed too hard to chop me D1. Not sure how helpfull this is actually. something something.

What is this trying to say? Someone translate

Wolves

Hollowkatt
Scotty
Sig
Kate
Golden

All of them individually.

Kate/Golden don't make sense as a pair but they both are individually wolfy.

Now I go to sleep

ok list minus kate, i was just considering going back to voting in scotty/golden

also want to see more from others on that low posting list like marmot, porscha

Porscha could be wolf and could be using low posting to make it to day 2 without giving anything away.

@Porscha can you iso Lily and Neon for me and give me some thots?

the dangerous trio

What are your thoughts on them? + Mac

Reading me as town

I don't think so Mac

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

I think he expects me to go off at him for town reading me. But he is too low posting for me to care

Spoiler: show

Hello everyone, as Party Crasher, I am here to share some information with you that I believe is crucial to our success as a town. I strongly suspect that Golden is Mafia, and I have evidence to support my claim.

Firstly, I want to establish my own credibility as a Town member. I have been actively participating in discussions and investigations throughout this game, and I have been advocating for the best interests of the Town. My voting record shows that I have consistently voted in favor of lynching suspected Mafia members, and I have been pushing for more investigations to uncover the truth.

Now, regarding Golden, I have observed some suspicious behavior from him. Golden has been relatively quiet in our discussions, and when he does speak, he tends to deflect attention away from himself and onto others. He has also been quick to jump on bandwagons and vote with the majority, which could indicate that he is trying to blend in and avoid suspicion.

Furthermore, I have noticed that Golden has been inconsistent in his statements. He has made some statements that don't quite add up, and when confronted with these discrepancies, he has been evasive and defensive.

Based on all of these factors, I strongly believe that Golden is Mafia. I urge the Town to take my suspicions seriously and to carefully consider the evidence that I have presented. We cannot afford to let a Mafia member slip through our grasp, and we need to work together to identify and eliminate the threat. Thank you for your attention.

This case is pretty weak/D1-standard and only looks bigger than it is because 90% of the post is big words fluff to give an appearance of grandiosity

Not that the case itself isn’t something to look into, but the method of communicating it has a certain level of pompousness in it that may push people away from the read, which I almost-wonder is intentional. The reason I say that is just imagine a PC/Golden W/W scenario (regardless of how likely such a pairing is), you make a case on your scumbuddy but then you write the case in such a way where people don’t pay attention, so if your scimbuddy ever gets chopped later you can point to that post and say that you were onto them and gain towncred, while providing an empty case that nobody will pick up, thus letting you have your cake and eat it too because your scumbuddy isn’t actually going to be pushed

Imagine taking a copy paste from chatgpt seriously. must be a wolf

ok lol im pocketed by golden for real by now

please show your working

i'm being townread too much

Alison - I think you are town for your progression (690) on le petit (709). Alison claims KP. People have said Alison is wolfy, I don't get it.

Creature - I have no clue, somewhere between town and wolf meta.

Dennis - Seems like the type of person to get a heavy wagon on them. I'm neutral here.

DrWigly - I don't have a good reason to think Wigly is town here, but I feel like Wigly is town here off "seeming curious" I guess... somewhat.

Dyslexicon - 3rd party moment.

EnderWiggin - 3rd party moment.

falcon45ca - I have no clue, somewhere between town and wolf meta.

-Wow my write ups are really writing themselves arent they-

Golden - Never played with you, but I like your posts, they seem to be in obviously town territory. I'm lazy but ima just point to things 1200, (826 (combined with townreading Alison)), also not citing specific things, but I like Golden's confidence on their Kate townread (I haven't read Kate yet).

Guillotine - Feels like town!Guillo this game, wasn't sure, but with their recent material, I am pretty sure about this. Solving also feels independent like it usually feels with them.

hollowkatt - I think ur kinda wolfy this game HK NGL.

Yeah I had a moment when Ender started pushing me that I thought he was 3p and thought I was 3p and he has to kill 1 wolf 1 town 1 3p. So it would make sense if he thought he caught me embracing and enjoying the 3p role I had been given (From his pov) he would push me hard to get me over then say "oops not a wolf, but at least a 3p" after he gets me, then hit a town and a wolf in either order hard part done.

You have also been reading up now and have no opinion on me?

@Cape90 What's Alison's progression on my 0 post slot (at the time)?

oh you literally haven't spoken

never mind

I was ISOing in alphabetical order, sorry, but I will keep that in mind since it now is just kind of strange to say

@Alison why did you want to shoot le petit for 0 posting?

why ask Alison and not me? Wolf vibes. Alison could be paired with Cape90

You thinking I am not perpetually behind.

Cute

[Cape90]

Rondo I think has trended up for me.

[Marmot]

TSP I'm hard reading as post restricted. Hard calling it

Why do you think that?

Him openly claiming PR

Him admitting he should be killed for being powerful PR.

Him saying he isn't gonna post much

Yeah I should've opened up his ISO before asking this

I won't be voting him today at least.

but like...thats just tsp

Does he normally say all of those things though?

I know he's just as likely to be TSP (2) as TSP (200), so I agree in that sense, he's just TSP.

We have a playerlist of nearly 40, so I'm willing to ignore a few slots for weird reasons like this at least for Day 1.

[S~V~S]

LHF means low hanging fruit, basically refers to a low posting player who is easy to mischop/tends to end up in POE. I don't think anyone said that about Creature (closest is that some mentioned he's posting a little bit less than is expected from him, and I'm not even sure of that at this point)

You know, I knew that. Doh. Thanks, so much different jargon!

[MacDougall]

I am going to level with all of you. I have not a single read I care about defending the position on. This game is too large for me to care about and I'm recovering from surgery and high as hell on pain meds.

[Cape90]

Im 14 pages behind. How about TLDR?

Anyone?

People wrote posts. They had reads, but rarely explained them. Somehow it will all work out in the end anyway, or not. One thing is for certain: We will all die a horrible death.

Speaking of (hi!), would you explain your read on Cape pls.

Looking forward dying tbh. I hope there will be radishes.

I can't really explain my read on Cape other than vaguely thinking they seem ok. I've played with them before, they've been town and seemed similar to me. But I didn't write any notes on them and I don't have a strong opinion. Do you have grievances?

tx and yes. His readlist was bad and fake (look the read on Alison).

Skill issue

[Marmot]

TSP is he/him yeah

(also ftr, I use they/them @everyone)

More like cuthey/cuthem (I tried)

[Marmot]

I am going to level with all of you. I have not a single read I care about defending the position on. This game is too large for me to care about and I'm recovering from surgery and high as hell on pain meds.

why don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin mermac

[Creature]

Damn I got frustrated today

[Cape90]

Le petit is think I read page by page it's ducking dumb

[MacDougall]

Like nobody has actually engaged me in any meaningful way. I've made a couple of light pushes and got omgussed by players that should know better than that. There seems to be no really coherent strategy to this day. The top posters are all players who aren't post count polarised so I can't base any read on that. The only empirical thing is probably that Porscha 2 posting is >rand mafia for her. Seanzie and Rondo not tilting me already might be indicative of them not being town maybe I guess? Lily and Neon seem okay? On the little I've read I would guess Sabi is more likely in their wolf meta? Lots of the scum solving going on just rings hollow or rand at best and I don't really have the energy to figure out much.

So all that to say, checks in the mail or something I'm gonna keep vibing. Where's @DrWilgy at.

[Cape90]

I could always just vote a wolf

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

[MacDougall]

I am going to level with all of you. I have not a single read I care about defending the position on. This game is too large for me to care about and I'm recovering from surgery and high as hell on pain meds.

why don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin mermac

I didn't ask someone to tell me where to vote. I am voting independently. I am just informing you all of my present state of being.