Cosmere Mafia - Warbreaker - [END]

[Gira]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

not really sure srceen is it based on recent posts

[Gira]

the fact that we're a few hours from deadline and he doesn't have a vote or any tangible content, imo, speaks to hoping to coast off a bus

[sig]

the fact that we're a few hours from deadline and he doesn't have a vote or any tangible content, imo, speaks to hoping to coast off a bus

I’ve been hella busy/lazy oops.

[sig]

I’ll in theory commence with a catch up now, but that might not happen

[Gira]

the fact that we're a few hours from deadline and he doesn't have a vote or any tangible content, imo, speaks to hoping to coast off a bus

I’ve been hella busy/lazy oops.

[Gira]

also if someone has 1st awakening and it tells you anything useful you need to claim it and clear people

otherwise cough cough some of you lied about giving breathhhhhhhssssssssss

i agree with this fwiw, if someone got 1st awakening and knew who gave breaths away that'd be useful to know

[sig]

Like people seem to trust what other people say too much, imo. If another player says something it doesn't mean it's real.

This is a solid towny post

[Creature]

[VOTE: sog] aubergine

[Creature]

RIP Borderland mash

[Creature]

RIP Borderland mash

but maybe that was for the best

I needed time to study

[sig]

the fact that we're a few hours from deadline and he doesn't have a vote or any tangible content, imo, speaks to hoping to coast off a bus

I’ve been hella busy/lazy oops.

[sig]

Anyway, more on topic:

Scotty
4
Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie, lucy

These were the only off voters from falcon.

I agree with whoever mentioned this a few pages ago that there is most likely a wolf here.

But I don’t think there are more than 1. That would be too naked

That would’ve been me sog

[Scotty]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

I thought this too, but it seems too obvious and not a ploy I feel like the 3p would be making.

[sig]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

I thought this too, but it seems too obvious and not a ploy I feel like the 3p would be making.

A third party soft for this game wouldn’t make any sense since it’s pretty anti town

[Scotty]

Also sean and scott back and forth D1 made mee think SvT and I thought scot was the scum. Evidently I was wrong. Today first thing going after neon just felt like noise and not substance that they cared about.
Sean keeps thowing doubt arouund and that reminds of something that scum wants to do.

I never got the impression that Sean didn’t care about the noise he was making.

I think he cared and continues to care a whole lot. Like a soccer mom at a pop-up mid-size SUV expo

[Scotty]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

I thought this too, but it seems too obvious and not a ploy I feel like the 3p would be making.

A third party soft for this game wouldn’t make any sense since it’s pretty anti town

Is it?

How do we know that

[sig]

Currently I think mafia are in:

SVS/pyxxy/lucy/srceenplay

And neon can be mafia because Sean says she is.

That’s my solve at the moment

I like this

[Scotty]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

I thought this too, but it seems too obvious and not a ploy I feel like the 3p would be making.

A third party soft for this game wouldn’t make any sense since it’s pretty anti town

Is it?

How do we know that

Like I theorized in D1, I have reason to believe the 3p isn’t anti town. It’s just that it’s probably not, for all intents and purposes, pro-town; otherwise it would be town

[sig]

Told you Falcon was mafia I’d like my civ credit in cash now

this post doesn't sit right with me. let's look at stuff sig actually said about falcon on day 1:

Spoiler: show

First: The mechanics of this game seem weird to me.

Second: I said I would try this game, and I haven't seriously tried while town alignment in years.

Third: I have an exam two days after spring break ends, and last exam I did horrible. If I'm alive till endgame I will be studying for that pretty hard.

Sweet, DOOM is Maf.





[VOTE: doom] aubergine





Game gunna be EZ

Falcon mafia

Boom game solved 2 mafia down

Falcon probably is though.

No.

That was supposed to have a yes at the end

I’ll vote Falcon

I’m not fully caught up, but it seems like a few wagons popped up to replace the Lucy/ Gira wagons with some very weak reasoning I’d look at both of them

Falcon voting off wagon even when he was a wagon is a wee bit scummy

So is his wagon dissolving so quickly

there's...no serious push at all, no actual reasons for falcon being a mafioso until he's a wagon at the end of day, and then it's solely about him voting off wagon

and it doesn't even actually make sense? why is him not voting a counterwagon supposed to be scummy, exactly? if it dissolving quickly is suspicious why has sig entered the day fos'ing the people who did not vote falcon?

(in my mind i've been thinking the first post inside the spoiler had the potential to be scum/scum since day 1. falcon's response to it was also oddly tepid)

Actually... hellbusser Neon here to say I started a game similarly to how Sigs first post on falcon here when I bussed my wolf mate WWW on MU.

That's... actually kinda concerning. Like an easy way to bus is to push for something meaningless in RVS and see if anyone follows you and than that kinda like gives you the option to pull off if need be since your not really committed or push deeper if need be because others latch onto the wagon.

I... actually kinda think falcon is easily bussable and mostly think I wouldn't bus such an important role which is why I've been focused on the Scotty wagon but I really hate Sigs approach to Falcon here and his demand for credit.

Another thing wolves who bus early do is they stay to relax and coast D2 thinking they got their cred D1 and now they don't want to stick out D2 or lose the townie points they've established

Tell me cause I'm not entirely certain myself so you all think Sig is more limp noodle today or is his approach and energy similar to D1?

[sig]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

I thought this too, but it seems too obvious and not a ploy I feel like the 3p would be making.

A third party soft for this game wouldn’t make any sense since it’s pretty anti town

Is it?

How do we know that

Like I theorized in D1, I have reason to believe the 3p isn’t anti town. It’s just that it’s probably not, for all intents and purposes, pro-town; otherwise it would be town

Granted with Falcon flipped they can now poison mafia, but it’s easier to just poison anyone. We don’t know their win con but id not be shocked if they were a SK.

The role itself just doesn’t seem pro town

[Scotty]

I see I’m top vote. Let me make a sandwich and I’ll sit down and look at this.

same question to you:
What would you do if you had 500 breaths?

win

Short and simple.

But also, that’s probably a lie. Having that many breaths only protects for a time- it doesn’t mean you win

[sig]

Okay so let’s see

Scotty and Sean are my strongest town reads right now

I’m liking the content Gira is putting out as well.

Creature seems to be within his town meta/tone.


I still think Lucy isn’t playing as she normally does as town so id be fine to vote there, I also don’t like that she just waived off that a mafia member would be voting on the counter wagon to falcon.


I don’t really see the neon thing one way or the other, but I trust Sean so if he thinks she’s mafia I’d sheep onto that wagon.

I don’t think I ever saw the case on screenplay?

[Scotty]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

I thought this too, but it seems too obvious and not a ploy I feel like the 3p would be making.

A third party soft for this game wouldn’t make any sense since it’s pretty anti town

Is it?

How do we know that

Like I theorized in D1, I have reason to believe the 3p isn’t anti town. It’s just that it’s probably not, for all intents and purposes, pro-town; otherwise it would be town

Granted with Falcon flipped they can now poison mafia, but it’s easier to just poison anyone. We don’t know their win con but id not be shocked if they were a SK.

The role itself just doesn’t seem pro town

Pretty cheap SK if, based on what we can see, it can only poison once a game

[Scotty]

Okay so let’s see

Scotty and Sean are my strongest town reads right now

I’m liking the content Gira is putting out as well.

Creature seems to be within his town meta/tone.


I still think Lucy isn’t playing as she normally does as town so id be fine to vote there, I also don’t like that she just waived off that a mafia member would be voting on the counter wagon to falcon.


I don’t really see the neon thing one way or the other, but I trust Sean so if he thinks she’s mafia I’d sheep onto that wagon.

I don’t think I ever saw the case on screenplay?

Sig what would you do if you had 500 breaths?

[Gira]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

what on earth

[Scotty]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

what on earth

Don’t worry, I found the progression:

Sean svs pyxxy are people I would vote for. Can i give you amazing explanation, no

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

It makes sense if you don’t think about it

[Scotty]

Okay so let’s see

Scotty and Sean are my strongest town reads right now

I’m liking the content Gira is putting out as well.

Creature seems to be within his town meta/tone.


I still think Lucy isn’t playing as she normally does as town so id be fine to vote there, I also don’t like that she just waived off that a mafia member would be voting on the counter wagon to falcon.


I don’t really see the neon thing one way or the other, but I trust Sean so if he thinks she’s mafia I’d sheep onto that wagon.

I don’t think I ever saw the case on screenplay?

Here’s the case on srceenplay:

Read his iso

[Gira]

I veto falcon and please explain how you can have even any level of townread on him here bc what.

sig and screen seem fine.

I don't see how you can have a scumread on him.

I have no read on Falcon, but I will eventually, so they're more of a choice to hedge bets -if we're going to give power to one person, it'd be good to give it to someone that always posts their rolecard in the thread by D2.

hum

[sig]

pyxxy is still bad. It looks like they are trying to soft as 3p

I thought this too, but it seems too obvious and not a ploy I feel like the 3p would be making.

A third party soft for this game wouldn’t make any sense since it’s pretty anti town

Is it?

How do we know that

Like I theorized in D1, I have reason to believe the 3p isn’t anti town. It’s just that it’s probably not, for all intents and purposes, pro-town; otherwise it would be town

Granted with Falcon flipped they can now poison mafia, but it’s easier to just poison anyone. We don’t know their win con but id not be shocked if they were a SK.

The role itself just doesn’t seem pro town

Pretty cheap SK if, based on what we can see, it can only poison once a game

Ignore me I thought it was once per night

[sig]

Okay so let’s see

Scotty and Sean are my strongest town reads right now

I’m liking the content Gira is putting out as well.

Creature seems to be within his town meta/tone.


I still think Lucy isn’t playing as she normally does as town so id be fine to vote there, I also don’t like that she just waived off that a mafia member would be voting on the counter wagon to falcon.


I don’t really see the neon thing one way or the other, but I trust Sean so if he thinks she’s mafia I’d sheep onto that wagon.

I don’t think I ever saw the case on screenplay?

Sig what would you do if you had 500 breaths?

I’d give them to my town core since I’m still pretty clueless right now

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

not really sure srceen is it based on recent posts

I don't feel good about Srceen's push on me. Felt like they decided on the conclusion, then only after being pushed about it, went and found some level 0 things to back it up.

[Seanzie]

Kinda okay with any of the wagons right meow though.

[Gira]

meh that seanize post isn't great but this game differs in approach to his scumgame still i think

i probably wanna do a little more research, my impression based on how others have talked about him is he tends to be aggressive as town which i think is reflected in his play here

i think he's ~probably fine but i wouldn't full clear him

[Seanzie]

meh that seanize post isn't great but this game differs in approach to his scumgame still i think

i probably wanna do a little more research, my impression based on how others have talked about him is he tends to be aggressive as town which i think is reflected in his play here

i think he's ~probably fine but i wouldn't full clear him

Srceen's posting is bad, I don't see what you see in it. You can say that my post isn't great if you want, but you're missing Srceen here.

[Gira]

bad posting doesn't equate to scum though

i get the sense he really believes the takse he's throwing out on the last page

[Seanzie]

bad posting doesn't equate to scum though

i get the sense he really believes the takse he's throwing out on the last page

I impolitely disagree. I do not get that sense.

[Scotty]

Falcon progressions from some people when Nutella was trying to get that wagon to take off:

Spoiler: show

I’ll vote Falcon

2.5 hours before eod. Towny.

Is nutella towny or no?

lets go back to falcon lol lmao

Why?

*waits for the townies in the room to realize that my efforts to get more votes on falcon has been like pulling teeth*

Gonna have to convince me on that because falcon45ca is popular mislynch bait.

I am going for sig. I might also do pyxxy if I get support.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Creature was extremely resistant and subtly defensive of falcon as a suspect. When suspicion was explained by nutella, votes sig and shades pyxxy instead. Bad look.

*waits for the townies in the room to realize that my efforts to get more votes on falcon has been like pulling teeth*

Gonna have to convince me on that because falcon45ca is popular mislynch bait.

i think this is relatively correct but he generally does towny things and here he has not

Defending Nutella’s suspicion to bolster the wagon. Good look.

Spoiler: show

Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DaughterOfOmega
1
7%
Voters: S~V~S
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: falcon45ca
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
3
20%
Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
4
27%
Voters: Gira, nutella, sig, lucy
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
1
7%
Voters: Scotty
sig
4
27%
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, srceenplay, 1 vote from guest

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

i trust falcon voters

and i assume someone can read him there, i won't bother reading him

2 hours before eod, posts a vote receipt to show that she is in fact giving falcon a 4-3 lead. That is a good look. Towny, even.

I think falcon is mafia

turns out you can iso people by clicking the posts in topic

Looks to be the 6th vote on falcon maybe? At this point, falcon’s wagon might be a bit of runaway status, so not as many brownie points as you might think, despite how much DOOM has come into day 2 saying they started the wagon for cred.

I feel good re Scotty, breathing down my neck is molto town for him.

I felt OK about sig and have no real sense of Falcon and where he stands, so I’ll vote there and come back to Doom tomorrow.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

SVS joins in the falcon wagon. Presumably the 7th?? It would be weird for SVS to vote sig here since she had previously spent a post defending him. She only slightly shaded me beforehand and could have easily jumped on me instead if she were falcon’s partner. So that’s a slightly good look.

I also am confident wolf!SVS is someone who wouldn’t normally bus her partners unless falcon specifically requested it.
I don’t like bringing meta into this, but it’s giving me towny feels for those 2 reasons. Low towny points, but I don’t scum read SVS atm.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ok, moving into an hour before EoD when falcon shows up to vote Gira like a limp noodle:

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I hate falcons vote as well

Good looks here. HOWEVER.

I must comment that the turning point of this vote was before falcon showed up. Falcon showed up with a terrible vote, reasoning, and basically laid down to die. This makes a perfect opportunity for others to heap onto him and lay groundwork for more cred. So I’m almost going to throw out everything that happened <before> he showed up, when the wagon was still forming organically.

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I saw falcon45ca post it like this before. I remember the times town mislynched him he would pop up at the last second to comment about being mislynched again and wish good luck for town.

I don't know whether he does the same as wolf or not, but I've seen him do it as town fairly often when he got wagoned near EOD.

Another play to defend falcon. This could very well just be town creature understanding the utility of not chopping a potential town falcon, but…it still seems like hard distracting to go elsewhere

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I saw falcon45ca post it like this before. I remember the times town mislynched him he would pop up at the last second to comment about being mislynched again and wish good luck for town.

that's actually tilting considering he's not really playing the game as of this moment in time

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

i'm going to change to my stronger scumread though and suggest that if falcon continues doing almost nothing he gets policied day 2

I don’t mind this from Gira, unless he is exactly partners with Creature for patting Creature on the back with a ‘good thinking, bud!’ He even hedges that falcon should be policied on D2 if he doesn’t work harder. It does five falcon an out to try harder, but since creature initiated this defense I’m not too hung up on it.

Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie

Scotty voters look better (I townread Neon and Seanzie and I am iffy on pyxxy).

Once again, making a STRONG push away from falcon.

Nutella gets cold feet, votes sig. then:

Alright I just read sig's posts and I feel more okay with voting him now.

I'm not really confident, but I felt his ISO was bad and out of character for him.

these wagons suddenly all feel bad to me i have no convictions and everything is random

Part of me wants to sheep Gira because he tends to have good reads and there is the chance he might be sensing something about falcon45ca that I am not, but another part of me thinks he's wolfy for voting falcon45ca and that might mean sig is also town.

Nutella and I jump on falcon, and so we have a 4-4-4 tie at some point there.

Alright so there are three tied wagons. I am skeptical on all of them but I don't really townread any of them. I only hope I don't have to read the designated lynch say "you're all wrong i am town" at EOD.

why is this eod so just weird

I am pretty cold feet about all wagons. falcon45ca and sig are both popular mislynches so I can't tell whether they're being wagoned because someone is actually sensing something wrong from them or they're being mislynched again like the rock is meant to fall into the ground when thrown. Scotty had some town moments but I also like his wagon comp (Neon and Seanzie mainly). Then there's pyxxy who I could also do today but he also might be just LHF town like GOC.

I only hope this is not v/v/v because that would suck a lot.

Holy hedging and continuation defending, Batman!

Maybe I slightly prefer falcon45ca/sig over Scotty today.

Though I know either of them will go "haha you're wrong" if they're lynched and turn out to be town.

At the time of this posting, I think DOOM had just voted for falcon, probably making it 6 votes falcon.

Yawn

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Yikes

i vote falcon to save sig here

Another good look with receipt of process.

Cool wagons.

Serious or sarcasm?

Kinda both. Don't really want Falcon to be elim'd, but I love me some wagons.

Yikes. -1 for Seanzie. But it’s not a strong defense.

Cool wagons.

Serious or sarcasm?

Kinda both. Don't really want Falcon to be elim'd, but I love me some wagons.

Scotty mainly?

What about sig?

Another oh-so-subtle plea for Seanzie to make some moves to save innocent falcon.

falcon45ca's really not gonna show up until the votes are already locked and post "I am town, good luck town".

Then srceenplay comes in, votes falcon, votes me, votes falcon again, and creature -finally- capitulates.

Alright whatever

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

So if anyone cared to read that, I just read through the last 2.5 hours of end of day, and look at how the falcon suspicions shook out.

Creature looks bad for that. Pretty much every step and turn, he was trying to find ways to send people elsewhere- mostly myself, pyxxy and sig. Doom didn’t look great for jumping on falcon in the later parts of the wagon. Srceenplay obviously makes a pretty questionable play in the last 10 min of EoD.

Everyone else in the wagon looks good, imo.
If anyone is wolf on wagonomics alone, it’s creature. A case can be made that town creature would be trying to protect a potential town falcon, but knowing what we know, it just looks..,very bad.

[Seanzie]

I started to read your iso but dont have time. I have errands I need to run around and do. One quick thing I saw.

Neon/Nutella?

Nutella has not made an impression on me either way, she’s been mostly NAI. I was leaning town on Neon.

What are you seeing that I’m not?

Wolves.

Early game already had a narraitive you wanted to push.

I vote

Sig
Screenplay
Falcon

for people to give breaths to.

The big mafia boss is someone you thought we should give breaths to.

Also sean and scott back and forth D1 made mee think SvT and I thought scot was the scum. Evidently I was wrong. Today first thing going after neon just felt like noise and not substance that they cared about.
Sean keeps thowing doubt arouund and that reminds of something that scum wants to do.

@Gira just to be sure, these two posts, you believe Srceenplay believes this push, and isn't just producing SOMETHING because they are being pressed?

[Scotty]

I’m slightly annoyed no one has asked me what I’d do with 500 breaths

[sig]

I’m slightly annoyed no one has asked me what I’d do with 500 breaths

Scotty what would you do with 500 breaths

[Scotty]

I’m slightly annoyed no one has asked me what I’d do with 500 breaths

Scotty what would you do with 500 breaths

lol I don’t know

But it’s the principle of the matter

[Gira]

Falcon progressions from some people when Nutella was trying to get that wagon to take off:

Spoiler: show

I’ll vote Falcon

2.5 hours before eod. Towny.

Is nutella towny or no?

lets go back to falcon lol lmao

Why?

*waits for the townies in the room to realize that my efforts to get more votes on falcon has been like pulling teeth*

Gonna have to convince me on that because falcon45ca is popular mislynch bait.

I am going for sig. I might also do pyxxy if I get support.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Creature was extremely resistant and subtly defensive of falcon as a suspect. When suspicion was explained by nutella, votes sig and shades pyxxy instead. Bad look.

*waits for the townies in the room to realize that my efforts to get more votes on falcon has been like pulling teeth*

Gonna have to convince me on that because falcon45ca is popular mislynch bait.

i think this is relatively correct but he generally does towny things and here he has not

Defending Nutella’s suspicion to bolster the wagon. Good look.

Spoiler: show

Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DaughterOfOmega
1
7%
Voters: S~V~S
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: falcon45ca
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
3
20%
Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
4
27%
Voters: Gira, nutella, sig, lucy
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
1
7%
Voters: Scotty
sig
4
27%
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, srceenplay, 1 vote from guest

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

i trust falcon voters

and i assume someone can read him there, i won't bother reading him

2 hours before eod, posts a vote receipt to show that she is in fact giving falcon a 4-3 lead. That is a good look. Towny, even.

I think falcon is mafia

turns out you can iso people by clicking the posts in topic

Looks to be the 6th vote on falcon maybe? At this point, falcon’s wagon might be a bit of runaway status, so not as many brownie points as you might think, despite how much DOOM has come into day 2 saying they started the wagon for cred.

I feel good re Scotty, breathing down my neck is molto town for him.

I felt OK about sig and have no real sense of Falcon and where he stands, so I’ll vote there and come back to Doom tomorrow.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

SVS joins in the falcon wagon. Presumably the 7th?? It would be weird for SVS to vote sig here since she had previously spent a post defending him. She only slightly shaded me beforehand and could have easily jumped on me instead if she were falcon’s partner. So that’s a slightly good look.

I also am confident wolf!SVS is someone who wouldn’t normally bus her partners unless falcon specifically requested it.
I don’t like bringing meta into this, but it’s giving me towny feels for those 2 reasons. Low towny points, but I don’t scum read SVS atm.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ok, moving into an hour before EoD when falcon shows up to vote Gira like a limp noodle:

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I hate falcons vote as well

Good looks here. HOWEVER.

I must comment that the turning point of this vote was before falcon showed up. Falcon showed up with a terrible vote, reasoning, and basically laid down to die. This makes a perfect opportunity for others to heap onto him and lay groundwork for more cred. So I’m almost going to throw out everything that happened <before> he showed up, when the wagon was still forming organically.

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I saw falcon45ca post it like this before. I remember the times town mislynched him he would pop up at the last second to comment about being mislynched again and wish good luck for town.

I don't know whether he does the same as wolf or not, but I've seen him do it as town fairly often when he got wagoned near EOD.

Another play to defend falcon. This could very well just be town creature understanding the utility of not chopping a potential town falcon, but…it still seems like hard distracting to go elsewhere

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I saw falcon45ca post it like this before. I remember the times town mislynched him he would pop up at the last second to comment about being mislynched again and wish good luck for town.

that's actually tilting considering he's not really playing the game as of this moment in time

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

i'm going to change to my stronger scumread though and suggest that if falcon continues doing almost nothing he gets policied day 2

I don’t mind this from Gira, unless he is exactly partners with Creature for patting Creature on the back with a ‘good thinking, bud!’ He even hedges that falcon should be policied on D2 if he doesn’t work harder. It does five falcon an out to try harder, but since creature initiated this defense I’m not too hung up on it.

Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie

Scotty voters look better (I townread Neon and Seanzie and I am iffy on pyxxy).

Once again, making a STRONG push away from falcon.

Nutella gets cold feet, votes sig. then:

Alright I just read sig's posts and I feel more okay with voting him now.

I'm not really confident, but I felt his ISO was bad and out of character for him.

these wagons suddenly all feel bad to me i have no convictions and everything is random

Part of me wants to sheep Gira because he tends to have good reads and there is the chance he might be sensing something about falcon45ca that I am not, but another part of me thinks he's wolfy for voting falcon45ca and that might mean sig is also town.

Nutella and I jump on falcon, and so we have a 4-4-4 tie at some point there.

Alright so there are three tied wagons. I am skeptical on all of them but I don't really townread any of them. I only hope I don't have to read the designated lynch say "you're all wrong i am town" at EOD.

why is this eod so just weird

I am pretty cold feet about all wagons. falcon45ca and sig are both popular mislynches so I can't tell whether they're being wagoned because someone is actually sensing something wrong from them or they're being mislynched again like the rock is meant to fall into the ground when thrown. Scotty had some town moments but I also like his wagon comp (Neon and Seanzie mainly). Then there's pyxxy who I could also do today but he also might be just LHF town like GOC.

I only hope this is not v/v/v because that would suck a lot.

Holy hedging and continuation defending, Batman!

Maybe I slightly prefer falcon45ca/sig over Scotty today.

Though I know either of them will go "haha you're wrong" if they're lynched and turn out to be town.

At the time of this posting, I think DOOM had just voted for falcon, probably making it 6 votes falcon.

Yawn

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Yikes

i vote falcon to save sig here

Another good look with receipt of process.

Cool wagons.

Serious or sarcasm?

Kinda both. Don't really want Falcon to be elim'd, but I love me some wagons.

Yikes. -1 for Seanzie. But it’s not a strong defense.

Cool wagons.

Serious or sarcasm?

Kinda both. Don't really want Falcon to be elim'd, but I love me some wagons.

Scotty mainly?

What about sig?

Another oh-so-subtle plea for Seanzie to make some moves to save innocent falcon.

falcon45ca's really not gonna show up until the votes are already locked and post "I am town, good luck town".

Then srceenplay comes in, votes falcon, votes me, votes falcon again, and creature -finally- capitulates.

Alright whatever

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

So if anyone cared to read that, I just read through the last 2.5 hours of end of day, and look at how the falcon suspicions shook out.

Creature looks bad for that. Pretty much every step and turn, he was trying to find ways to send people elsewhere- mostly myself, pyxxy and sig. Doom didn’t look great for jumping on falcon in the later parts of the wagon. Srceenplay obviously makes a pretty questionable play in the last 10 min of EoD.

Everyone else in the wagon looks good, imo.
If anyone is wolf on wagonomics alone, it’s creature. A case can be made that town creature would be trying to protect a potential town falcon, but knowing what we know, it just looks..,very bad.

i understand creature's posting looks bad, but in my experience with creature, he is not someone who tries hard to protect a teammate, at all - he lacks the confidence in his own game to play that aggressively typically and defaults to bussing more often than not

i think his paranoia aboutfalcon being lhf rings true to me. i hate to play the "cleared for not automatically bussing" card, but i just think he isn't informed and his reactions are genuine

[Gira]

I started to read your iso but dont have time. I have errands I need to run around and do. One quick thing I saw.

Neon/Nutella?

Nutella has not made an impression on me either way, she’s been mostly NAI. I was leaning town on Neon.

What are you seeing that I’m not?

Wolves.

Early game already had a narraitive you wanted to push.

I vote

Sig
Screenplay
Falcon

for people to give breaths to.

The big mafia boss is someone you thought we should give breaths to.

Also sean and scott back and forth D1 made mee think SvT and I thought scot was the scum. Evidently I was wrong. Today first thing going after neon just felt like noise and not substance that they cared about.
Sean keeps thowing doubt arouund and that reminds of something that scum wants to do.

@Gira just to be sure, these two posts, you believe Srceenplay believes this push, and isn't just producing SOMETHING because they are being pressed?

idk man yeah it could be a weird playstyle thing, i'm no expert

[Scotty]

Falcon progressions from some people when Nutella was trying to get that wagon to take off:

Spoiler: show

I’ll vote Falcon

2.5 hours before eod. Towny.

Is nutella towny or no?

lets go back to falcon lol lmao

Why?

*waits for the townies in the room to realize that my efforts to get more votes on falcon has been like pulling teeth*

Gonna have to convince me on that because falcon45ca is popular mislynch bait.

I am going for sig. I might also do pyxxy if I get support.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Creature was extremely resistant and subtly defensive of falcon as a suspect. When suspicion was explained by nutella, votes sig and shades pyxxy instead. Bad look.

*waits for the townies in the room to realize that my efforts to get more votes on falcon has been like pulling teeth*

Gonna have to convince me on that because falcon45ca is popular mislynch bait.

i think this is relatively correct but he generally does towny things and here he has not

Defending Nutella’s suspicion to bolster the wagon. Good look.

Spoiler: show

Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DaughterOfOmega
1
7%
Voters: S~V~S
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: falcon45ca
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
3
20%
Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
4
27%
Voters: Gira, nutella, sig, lucy
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
1
7%
Voters: Scotty
sig
4
27%
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, srceenplay, 1 vote from guest

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

i trust falcon voters

and i assume someone can read him there, i won't bother reading him

2 hours before eod, posts a vote receipt to show that she is in fact giving falcon a 4-3 lead. That is a good look. Towny, even.

I think falcon is mafia

turns out you can iso people by clicking the posts in topic

Looks to be the 6th vote on falcon maybe? At this point, falcon’s wagon might be a bit of runaway status, so not as many brownie points as you might think, despite how much DOOM has come into day 2 saying they started the wagon for cred.

I feel good re Scotty, breathing down my neck is molto town for him.

I felt OK about sig and have no real sense of Falcon and where he stands, so I’ll vote there and come back to Doom tomorrow.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

SVS joins in the falcon wagon. Presumably the 7th?? It would be weird for SVS to vote sig here since she had previously spent a post defending him. She only slightly shaded me beforehand and could have easily jumped on me instead if she were falcon’s partner. So that’s a slightly good look.

I also am confident wolf!SVS is someone who wouldn’t normally bus her partners unless falcon specifically requested it.
I don’t like bringing meta into this, but it’s giving me towny feels for those 2 reasons. Low towny points, but I don’t scum read SVS atm.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ok, moving into an hour before EoD when falcon shows up to vote Gira like a limp noodle:

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I hate falcons vote as well

Good looks here. HOWEVER.

I must comment that the turning point of this vote was before falcon showed up. Falcon showed up with a terrible vote, reasoning, and basically laid down to die. This makes a perfect opportunity for others to heap onto him and lay groundwork for more cred. So I’m almost going to throw out everything that happened <before> he showed up, when the wagon was still forming organically.

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I saw falcon45ca post it like this before. I remember the times town mislynched him he would pop up at the last second to comment about being mislynched again and wish good luck for town.

I don't know whether he does the same as wolf or not, but I've seen him do it as town fairly often when he got wagoned near EOD.

Another play to defend falcon. This could very well just be town creature understanding the utility of not chopping a potential town falcon, but…it still seems like hard distracting to go elsewhere

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I saw falcon45ca post it like this before. I remember the times town mislynched him he would pop up at the last second to comment about being mislynched again and wish good luck for town.

that's actually tilting considering he's not really playing the game as of this moment in time

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

i'm going to change to my stronger scumread though and suggest that if falcon continues doing almost nothing he gets policied day 2

I don’t mind this from Gira, unless he is exactly partners with Creature for patting Creature on the back with a ‘good thinking, bud!’ He even hedges that falcon should be policied on D2 if he doesn’t work harder. It does five falcon an out to try harder, but since creature initiated this defense I’m not too hung up on it.

Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie

Scotty voters look better (I townread Neon and Seanzie and I am iffy on pyxxy).

Once again, making a STRONG push away from falcon.

Nutella gets cold feet, votes sig. then:

Alright I just read sig's posts and I feel more okay with voting him now.

I'm not really confident, but I felt his ISO was bad and out of character for him.

these wagons suddenly all feel bad to me i have no convictions and everything is random

Part of me wants to sheep Gira because he tends to have good reads and there is the chance he might be sensing something about falcon45ca that I am not, but another part of me thinks he's wolfy for voting falcon45ca and that might mean sig is also town.

Nutella and I jump on falcon, and so we have a 4-4-4 tie at some point there.

Alright so there are three tied wagons. I am skeptical on all of them but I don't really townread any of them. I only hope I don't have to read the designated lynch say "you're all wrong i am town" at EOD.

why is this eod so just weird

I am pretty cold feet about all wagons. falcon45ca and sig are both popular mislynches so I can't tell whether they're being wagoned because someone is actually sensing something wrong from them or they're being mislynched again like the rock is meant to fall into the ground when thrown. Scotty had some town moments but I also like his wagon comp (Neon and Seanzie mainly). Then there's pyxxy who I could also do today but he also might be just LHF town like GOC.

I only hope this is not v/v/v because that would suck a lot.

Holy hedging and continuation defending, Batman!

Maybe I slightly prefer falcon45ca/sig over Scotty today.

Though I know either of them will go "haha you're wrong" if they're lynched and turn out to be town.

At the time of this posting, I think DOOM had just voted for falcon, probably making it 6 votes falcon.

Yawn

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Yikes

i vote falcon to save sig here

Another good look with receipt of process.

Cool wagons.

Serious or sarcasm?

Kinda both. Don't really want Falcon to be elim'd, but I love me some wagons.

Yikes. -1 for Seanzie. But it’s not a strong defense.

Cool wagons.

Serious or sarcasm?

Kinda both. Don't really want Falcon to be elim'd, but I love me some wagons.

Scotty mainly?

What about sig?

Another oh-so-subtle plea for Seanzie to make some moves to save innocent falcon.

falcon45ca's really not gonna show up until the votes are already locked and post "I am town, good luck town".

Then srceenplay comes in, votes falcon, votes me, votes falcon again, and creature -finally- capitulates.

Alright whatever

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

So if anyone cared to read that, I just read through the last 2.5 hours of end of day, and look at how the falcon suspicions shook out.

Creature looks bad for that. Pretty much every step and turn, he was trying to find ways to send people elsewhere- mostly myself, pyxxy and sig. Doom didn’t look great for jumping on falcon in the later parts of the wagon. Srceenplay obviously makes a pretty questionable play in the last 10 min of EoD.

Everyone else in the wagon looks good, imo.
If anyone is wolf on wagonomics alone, it’s creature. A case can be made that town creature would be trying to protect a potential town falcon, but knowing what we know, it just looks..,very bad.

i understand creature's posting looks bad, but in my experience with creature, he is not someone who tries hard to protect a teammate, at all - he lacks the confidence in his own game to play that aggressively typically and defaults to bussing more often than not

i think his paranoia aboutfalcon being lhf rings true to me. i hate to play the "cleared for not automatically bussing" card, but i just think he isn't informed and his reactions are genuine

Could be

I’m not layering in any meta reads some of you might have about him and how he’d behave as town. Purely in a vacuum, you have to admit he looks bad from a falcon-wagon-forming standpoint.

[Gira]

i have to leave the house, won't be online for deadline

not a crime if srceen goes over but it's not impossible he's a miss

i don't have time to finish reviewing but i probably shouldn't be clearing seanzie, i would put him in the poe ahead of, like, pyx or neon who are names that have been thrown around that are probably townies


cya later, good luck

[Scotty]

The other one on the falcon wagon that did nothing towny for cred is Seanzie. Forgot about him.

[Gira]

Could be

I’m not layering in any meta reads some of you might have about him and how he’d behave as town. Purely in a vacuum, you have to admit he looks bad from a falcon-wagon-form

this gets into the depths of trying to analyze how scum would act and i'm still not sure that's the case! not many people aggressively scumside like that

but don't have the time now to debate

[Scotty]

Oh nm Seanzie voted for me

[Scotty]

Could be

I’m not layering in any meta reads some of you might have about him and how he’d behave as town. Purely in a vacuum, you have to admit he looks bad from a falcon-wagon-form

this gets into the depths of trying to analyze how scum would act and i'm still not sure that's the case! not many people aggressively scumside like that

but don't have the time now to debate

But see it’s not objectively scumsiding in the moment. We know that -now- but that’s because falcon flipped.

Mafia boss flipping D1 is bad for mafia. That’s the case. And if we didn’t flip him, we would be none the wiser that creature wasn’t doing all of us a service to protect a potential town falcon

[sig]

Falcon progressions from some people when Nutella was trying to get that wagon to take off:

Spoiler: show

I’ll vote Falcon

2.5 hours before eod. Towny.

Is nutella towny or no?

lets go back to falcon lol lmao

Why?

*waits for the townies in the room to realize that my efforts to get more votes on falcon has been like pulling teeth*

Gonna have to convince me on that because falcon45ca is popular mislynch bait.

I am going for sig. I might also do pyxxy if I get support.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Creature was extremely resistant and subtly defensive of falcon as a suspect. When suspicion was explained by nutella, votes sig and shades pyxxy instead. Bad look.

*waits for the townies in the room to realize that my efforts to get more votes on falcon has been like pulling teeth*

Gonna have to convince me on that because falcon45ca is popular mislynch bait.

i think this is relatively correct but he generally does towny things and here he has not

Defending Nutella’s suspicion to bolster the wagon. Good look.

Spoiler: show

Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DaughterOfOmega
1
7%
Voters: S~V~S
Gira
0
No votes
Voters: falcon45ca
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
3
20%
Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
4
27%
Voters: Gira, nutella, sig, lucy
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
1
7%
Voters: Scotty
sig
4
27%
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature, srceenplay, 1 vote from guest

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

i trust falcon voters

and i assume someone can read him there, i won't bother reading him

2 hours before eod, posts a vote receipt to show that she is in fact giving falcon a 4-3 lead. That is a good look. Towny, even.

I think falcon is mafia

turns out you can iso people by clicking the posts in topic

Looks to be the 6th vote on falcon maybe? At this point, falcon’s wagon might be a bit of runaway status, so not as many brownie points as you might think, despite how much DOOM has come into day 2 saying they started the wagon for cred.

I feel good re Scotty, breathing down my neck is molto town for him.

I felt OK about sig and have no real sense of Falcon and where he stands, so I’ll vote there and come back to Doom tomorrow.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

SVS joins in the falcon wagon. Presumably the 7th?? It would be weird for SVS to vote sig here since she had previously spent a post defending him. She only slightly shaded me beforehand and could have easily jumped on me instead if she were falcon’s partner. So that’s a slightly good look.

I also am confident wolf!SVS is someone who wouldn’t normally bus her partners unless falcon specifically requested it.
I don’t like bringing meta into this, but it’s giving me towny feels for those 2 reasons. Low towny points, but I don’t scum read SVS atm.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ok, moving into an hour before EoD when falcon shows up to vote Gira like a limp noodle:

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I hate falcons vote as well

Good looks here. HOWEVER.

I must comment that the turning point of this vote was before falcon showed up. Falcon showed up with a terrible vote, reasoning, and basically laid down to die. This makes a perfect opportunity for others to heap onto him and lay groundwork for more cred. So I’m almost going to throw out everything that happened <before> he showed up, when the wagon was still forming organically.

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I saw falcon45ca post it like this before. I remember the times town mislynched him he would pop up at the last second to comment about being mislynched again and wish good luck for town.

I don't know whether he does the same as wolf or not, but I've seen him do it as town fairly often when he got wagoned near EOD.

Another play to defend falcon. This could very well just be town creature understanding the utility of not chopping a potential town falcon, but…it still seems like hard distracting to go elsewhere

like seriously how is a townie's response to getting wagoned to just go "oh are we MLing me again?" and that's it after being out of thread for hours?

I saw falcon45ca post it like this before. I remember the times town mislynched him he would pop up at the last second to comment about being mislynched again and wish good luck for town.

that's actually tilting considering he's not really playing the game as of this moment in time

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

i'm going to change to my stronger scumread though and suggest that if falcon continues doing almost nothing he gets policied day 2

I don’t mind this from Gira, unless he is exactly partners with Creature for patting Creature on the back with a ‘good thinking, bud!’ He even hedges that falcon should be policied on D2 if he doesn’t work harder. It does five falcon an out to try harder, but since creature initiated this defense I’m not too hung up on it.

Voters: Neon, pyxxy, Seanzie

Scotty voters look better (I townread Neon and Seanzie and I am iffy on pyxxy).

Once again, making a STRONG push away from falcon.

Nutella gets cold feet, votes sig. then:

Alright I just read sig's posts and I feel more okay with voting him now.

I'm not really confident, but I felt his ISO was bad and out of character for him.

these wagons suddenly all feel bad to me i have no convictions and everything is random

Part of me wants to sheep Gira because he tends to have good reads and there is the chance he might be sensing something about falcon45ca that I am not, but another part of me thinks he's wolfy for voting falcon45ca and that might mean sig is also town.

Nutella and I jump on falcon, and so we have a 4-4-4 tie at some point there.

Alright so there are three tied wagons. I am skeptical on all of them but I don't really townread any of them. I only hope I don't have to read the designated lynch say "you're all wrong i am town" at EOD.

why is this eod so just weird

I am pretty cold feet about all wagons. falcon45ca and sig are both popular mislynches so I can't tell whether they're being wagoned because someone is actually sensing something wrong from them or they're being mislynched again like the rock is meant to fall into the ground when thrown. Scotty had some town moments but I also like his wagon comp (Neon and Seanzie mainly). Then there's pyxxy who I could also do today but he also might be just LHF town like GOC.

I only hope this is not v/v/v because that would suck a lot.

Holy hedging and continuation defending, Batman!

Maybe I slightly prefer falcon45ca/sig over Scotty today.

Though I know either of them will go "haha you're wrong" if they're lynched and turn out to be town.

At the time of this posting, I think DOOM had just voted for falcon, probably making it 6 votes falcon.

Yawn

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Yikes

i vote falcon to save sig here

Another good look with receipt of process.

Cool wagons.

Serious or sarcasm?

Kinda both. Don't really want Falcon to be elim'd, but I love me some wagons.

Yikes. -1 for Seanzie. But it’s not a strong defense.

Cool wagons.

Serious or sarcasm?

Kinda both. Don't really want Falcon to be elim'd, but I love me some wagons.

Scotty mainly?

What about sig?

Another oh-so-subtle plea for Seanzie to make some moves to save innocent falcon.

falcon45ca's really not gonna show up until the votes are already locked and post "I am town, good luck town".

Then srceenplay comes in, votes falcon, votes me, votes falcon again, and creature -finally- capitulates.

Alright whatever

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

So if anyone cared to read that, I just read through the last 2.5 hours of end of day, and look at how the falcon suspicions shook out.

Creature looks bad for that. Pretty much every step and turn, he was trying to find ways to send people elsewhere- mostly myself, pyxxy and sig. Doom didn’t look great for jumping on falcon in the later parts of the wagon. Srceenplay obviously makes a pretty questionable play in the last 10 min of EoD.

Everyone else in the wagon looks good, imo.
If anyone is wolf on wagonomics alone, it’s creature. A case can be made that town creature would be trying to protect a potential town falcon, but knowing what we know, it just looks..,very bad.

Actually I could see this