Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]

[DrWilgy]

High: Sabi, Lily, Falcon
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Nook
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Sabi

Of these team combinations, I also think it just makes sense for option 1 to be the most likely because Lily was carrying the kill.

Falcon and Sabi were very likely >ev RB choices, so a team of Sabi, Falcon sending Lily makes sense to me.

Also if it's Pyxxy, why wouldn't Pyxxy or Nook carry the kill? I think both Seanzie and I had parsed enough of Lily to make the wolves think that sending Lily would be slightly problematic.

You don't think there's a world where Falcon is paired with Nook?

No, because then Nook votes. Either to bus or to save.

No middling shit like abstaining.

[WindwardAway]

Also, I'm the PR who was active last night, and looking at my legacy readlist i think wolves would've thought I would jail Pyxxy over Sabi, so I don't think they would've sent Pyxxy anyway. Whether they would think i might jail nook, after saying the whole day that I thought he was town but he was slipping down in my reads, I have no idea.

[WindwardAway]

High: Sabi, Lily, Falcon
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Nook
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Sabi

Of these team combinations, I also think it just makes sense for option 1 to be the most likely because Lily was carrying the kill.

Falcon and Sabi were very likely >ev RB choices, so a team of Sabi, Falcon sending Lily makes sense to me.

Also if it's Pyxxy, why wouldn't Pyxxy or Nook carry the kill? I think both Seanzie and I had parsed enough of Lily to make the wolves think that sending Lily would be slightly problematic.

You don't think there's a world where Falcon is paired with Nook?

No, because then Nook votes. Either to bus or to save.

No middling shit like abstaining.

Good point

With preflipped Lily:
D1
9 - lucy/arogame123 => pyxxy, Seanzie, Sabiplz, falcon45ca, WindwardAway, Dennis, Lilypetal, Porscha, DrWilgy
3 - pyxxy => NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu, Neon
1 - falcon45ca => arogame123
1 - Sabiplz => RondoDimBuckle

My mid d2 grab:
5 - falcon45ca =>
Voters: pyxxy, Seanzie, tutuu, DrWilgy, Dennis
4 - tutuu =>
Voters: WindwardAway, Lilypetal, Sabiplz, Neon

D2
6 - tutuu => Lilypetal, WindwardAway, Dennis, Neon, Sabiplz, falcon45ca
4 - falcon45ca => tutuu, Seanzie, DrWilgy, pyxxy

Makes me think it becomes imperative to resolve counter wagons.

If Falcon is Lily's partner it's entirely possible that they triple stacked on Tutuu making me think it's in Sabi.

If Falcon isn't Lily's partner, then Falcon wouldn't need to be pure and Pyxxy becomes my greatest concern.

Oddly enough, Nook not voting D2 is also worthy of observation if Falcon flips red.

Probably of the teams in:
High: Sabi, Lily, Falcon
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Nook
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Sabi

I think Neon provided some data to indicate that Lily is not their partner.

I think Seanzie did as well.

I still don't see us living in a Porscha or Dennis wolf world as well.

But you implied here that if falcon is red we should look at nook
Or did you mean, we should note that nook made no move to save him?

What's the logic on not having a pyxxy/lily/falcon team?

[DrWilgy]

Also, I'm the PR who was active last night, and looking at my legacy readlist i think wolves would've thought I would jail Pyxxy over Sabi, so I don't think they would've sent Pyxxy anyway. Whether they would think i might jail nook, after saying the whole day that I thought he was town but he was slipping down in my reads, I have no idea.

This makes sense then. I recognize that my analysis of who I think would send Lily was too focused on self concerned bias as opposed to the thread's consensus.

[WindwardAway]

Also, I'm the PR who was active last night, and looking at my legacy readlist i think wolves would've thought I would jail Pyxxy over Sabi, so I don't think they would've sent Pyxxy anyway. Whether they would think i might jail nook, after saying the whole day that I thought he was town but he was slipping down in my reads, I have no idea.

This makes sense then. I recognize that my analysis of who I think would send Lily was too focused on self concerned bias as opposed to the thread's consensus.

Tbf, my reads weren't thread consensus, I just think since wolves didn't jailkeep me (which would've guaranteed the kill to go through), they must've assumed I was going to jail incorrectly. Which is why I went for Lily and not someone at the bottom of my public reads.

[Seanzie]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Why do you SR pyxxy when you questioned why I was sring pyxxy?

I can disagree with how you're approaching a person and still think they aren't towny.

What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

[DrWilgy]

High: Sabi, Lily, Falcon
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Nook
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Sabi

Of these team combinations, I also think it just makes sense for option 1 to be the most likely because Lily was carrying the kill.

Falcon and Sabi were very likely >ev RB choices, so a team of Sabi, Falcon sending Lily makes sense to me.

Also if it's Pyxxy, why wouldn't Pyxxy or Nook carry the kill? I think both Seanzie and I had parsed enough of Lily to make the wolves think that sending Lily would be slightly problematic.

You don't think there's a world where Falcon is paired with Nook?

No, because then Nook votes. Either to bus or to save.

No middling shit like abstaining.

Good point

With preflipped Lily:
D1
9 - lucy/arogame123 => pyxxy, Seanzie, Sabiplz, falcon45ca, WindwardAway, Dennis, Lilypetal, Porscha, DrWilgy
3 - pyxxy => NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu, Neon
1 - falcon45ca => arogame123
1 - Sabiplz => RondoDimBuckle

My mid d2 grab:
5 - falcon45ca =>
Voters: pyxxy, Seanzie, tutuu, DrWilgy, Dennis
4 - tutuu =>
Voters: WindwardAway, Lilypetal, Sabiplz, Neon

D2
6 - tutuu => Lilypetal, WindwardAway, Dennis, Neon, Sabiplz, falcon45ca
4 - falcon45ca => tutuu, Seanzie, DrWilgy, pyxxy

Makes me think it becomes imperative to resolve counter wagons.

If Falcon is Lily's partner it's entirely possible that they triple stacked on Tutuu making me think it's in Sabi.

If Falcon isn't Lily's partner, then Falcon wouldn't need to be pure and Pyxxy becomes my greatest concern.

Oddly enough, Nook not voting D2 is also worthy of observation if Falcon flips red.

Probably of the teams in:
High: Sabi, Lily, Falcon
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Nook
Mid: Pyxxy, Lily, Sabi

I think Neon provided some data to indicate that Lily is not their partner.

I think Seanzie did as well.

I still don't see us living in a Porscha or Dennis wolf world as well.

But you implied here that if falcon is red we should look at nook
Or did you mean, we should note that nook made no move to save him?

What's the logic on not having a pyxxy/lily/falcon team?

Observable in the sense that it's clearing, so the latter. I should have been more forthright in that statement, but wanted data from others first. I now see that as silly.

Pyxxy, Lily, Falcon causes tension in that I don't know if I see W Pyxxy consistently on W Falcon's wagon. This is where data from the 4 way split to be needed.

[Sabiplz]

[VOTE: lily] aubergine

@WindwardAway who did you red check

Oh my god I blocked a kill lmao.

I don't think there's any use in withholding my info since all the wolves know who i blocked and they're all going to distance themselves now.

Get rekt.

[VOTE: Lily] aubergine

[WindwardAway]

Observable in the sense that it's clearing, so the latter. I should have been more forthright in that statement, but wanted data from others first. I now see that as silly.

Pyxxy, Lily, Falcon causes tension in that I don't know if I see W Pyxxy consistently on W Falcon's wagon. This is where data from the 4 way split to be needed.

Pyxxy was voting Nook in that split, though. I'm sure of it because I made a comment on it at the time. I agreed with you that wolves might be trying to shift the wagons, and Falcon asked who the wolves would be who were on the other two tied wagons, and I named Pyxxy.

[Seanzie]

Lily is at E-2 btw, just so everyone is aware.

[Sabiplz]

So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

[Sabiplz]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

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i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

I can disagree with how you're approaching a person and still think they aren't towny.

What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

I was a host for hedgehog so I read the game, remember that :P

Regardless my 180 on lily was due to how she kept scumreading me like she usually does in every game and it felt towny. Can I ask why you are going through my iso first and not reading me from lily iso? I don't have tmi on her. She does.

[Sabiplz]

Lily is at E-2 btw, just so everyone is aware.

Do you want me to unvote

Ok

[Sabiplz]

@DrWilgy ij what world are lily/me ever a thing because she has been wanting me dead all game and even wanted me dead over tutuu/falcon

That isn't bussing or theater.

[Sabiplz]

Also @Seanzie i didn't feel like at the time to iso lily because

I was busy and didn't have time till after eod. Wow wolfy.

[WindwardAway]

sorry idk what happened to the quote order, trying to dig through my own iso to find evidence of the 4-way tied wagons is a nightmare
i have some stuff i want to drop commentary on while i'm at it

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Shit, your readlist looks like mine

hahaha
hahahahahaha
man i'm dumb

@WindwardAway

Would you mind giving a ranked list of all the players? I know you've said your list is similar to others, but I'd love to see yours and then we can compare/contrast.

This is gonna be rough cause I'm not really convinced of my own reads
My readlist will probably change drastically within the next 12 hours lol, this is why I don't do tiered lists anymore

Seanzie
Porscha
Dennis

Neon
Lily

Wilgy
Sabi

Pyxxy? Idk I keep changing my mind on him which means I just can't read him so idk.

Nanook??? People are influencing this read cause I thought he came off towny from his interaction with Rondo and me but I also don't get why that's the only thing he's focused on this entire game thus far.

Tutuu
Falcon

this was my readlist just before i left my legacy readlist. the only places that shifted were that I ended up tiering Dennis and Neon together, and Lily and Wilgy together, and everything else is in a similar position (these weren't ordered within tiers btw, meaning I had Wilgy and Sabi at the same level, and also Tutuu and Falcon)

Do u like me neon

Uhhh yeah. Like a lot actually.

Like top 5 people I've ever met in this game.

Omg ur so sweet I love u

I love you too. Did you rand mafia?

Nooo dumby if I was mafia I would be asleep rn ans not thinking abt this game!!

Pretty sure this is an honest answer, I buy it

This here is directly why I think wolves sent Lily to perform the kill
"Wind will never think of jailing her"
hahahahahaha suck it

@WindwardAway hey can you leave a legacy? Maybe you already have but it would be helpful

I don't think my read list changed from earlier today when I gave it in response to uhhh... Someone. Idk. Seanzie maybe? Porscha iirc had a similar one? And Sabi as well?

It will change depending on tutuu's or falcon's flip kinda sorta

I think they can both be scum but don't necessarily have to be, and I think falcon is very slightly townier than tutuu cause of a single post.

Towncore is Seanzie/Porscha confidently
I think Dennis and Neon are also town just under that
Wilgy and Lily next
Sabi
Nook who is kinda trending downward cause he did like one big towny thing reacting to my pr claim and has ceased to do anything I find AI since then
Pyxxy under that
Then falcon
Then tutuu

Who did i forget this time

I bet someone in my mid-town tier is probably actually a wolf but whatever, I can't deal with that now
I'm surprised I'm awake

this is where I hinted that my readlist wasn't as solid as I made it look
I went exactly for jailing a mid-town tier read

@WindwardAway hey can you leave a legacy? Maybe you already have but it would be helpful

I don't think my read list changed from earlier today when I gave it in response to uhhh... Someone. Idk. Seanzie maybe? Porscha iirc had a similar one? And Sabi as well?

It will change depending on tutuu's or falcon's flip kinda sorta

I think they can both be scum but don't necessarily have to be, and I think falcon is very slightly townier than tutuu cause of a single post.

Towncore is Seanzie/Porscha confidently
I think Dennis and Neon are also town just under that
Wilgy and Lily next
Sabi
Nook who is kinda trending downward cause he did like one big towny thing reacting to my pr claim and has ceased to do anything I find AI since then
Pyxxy under that
Then falcon
Then tutuu

Who did i forget this time

this was my legacy readlist, as i said not too much changed

my reads are unchanged from SoD

sabi, falcon, pyxxy, wilgy poe

everyone else town

there is a very reasonable likelihood that tutuu actually had a perfect PoE minus lily and that's why wolves really wanted her out

Thx wind

I recommend we stay the course and do not last second kill falcon. Tutuu should flip here.

I gotta go for a bit so glgl

this right here
lol
lmao

tutuu did flip, tutuu flipped town, lily is about to flip wolf
what do we think about falcon, folks?

weird sideways thought as I check discord and see marmot's post about postcap lifting + hammer.....of 7

tutuu only reached like 5 today, right? I have a thought that I'm gonna put on a burner and cook low and slow

i completely forgot about the hammer too

i reached 5 today yes

also earlier i put falcon at 6

minutes after that, his wagon disappeared

neon, seanzie, and ... one more. pyxxy. those 3 unvoted falcon pretty fast

neon and seanzie went onto me, pyxxy went to nook

I also forgot about the hammer lol
I'll give it a bit of thought seeing as I'm still here cause I failed to pull myself away from the thread

weird sideways thought as I check discord and see marmot's post about postcap lifting + hammer.....of 7

tutuu only reached like 5 today, right? I have a thought that I'm gonna put on a burner and cook low and slow

i want the follow-up on this from pyxxy

Oh, but I'm town. Maf doesn't give two fucks about moving votes off my wagon.

<--- and this player moved off your wagon, and onto sabi

you keep listing great reasons for why u shouldnt scumread me!

Why not. Nook or. Pyxxy?

Why just me you keep. Pushing people on to

i'm still thinking over this one. anyone else have thoughts on it?

alright picking up food sooner than expected which means I'll be back in time for the last bit of day

here's where I am with my reads + reading the thread

- nook wagon failed to launch
- I still tr sabi
- falcon appears to be thinking
- tutuu's repeated appeals to the thread is making me not want to vote there which is a shit opinion but it's how I feel

out of these the lamest reason is actually the falcon one because I went back and skimmed his Scooby ISO and he was active-ish there too in kind of a similar way, granted he didn't have much suspicion/vote pressure in that game (from what I remember) but it's what I've got to work with

and my feeling on this post has changed

I've only been mildy paying attention today as I've been stuck in work hell.

I will advise that there is a strange level of concern in that we went from JUST Tutuu and Falcon to a 4 way split wagon tie.

Makes me think wolbes are putting in alot of effort to shift momentum for some reason without context.

Yeah I hate it
I think one of Tutuu/Falcon is scum, if not both

Then who would be the wolves directing the wagon movement? Cuz it's not tutuu or I, we are the wagons

I liked it at first because it showed thinking but without any followup it just feels like trying to sell the idea that falcon/tutuu are t/t, which feels more like trying to piggyback on tutuu's massive amount of wim in the thread

really my mood is "where's seanzie so I can sheep him" but in lieu of that, I'm back on [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I didn't think of it that way but you kinda have a point

Oh wait, no, the thing is that I checked the VC when falcon said that and he and tutuu were voting each other so even if one were a wolf, I think falcon is implying that neither one is specifically a wolf that is driving votes away because they locked onto each other.

ok apparently this is all i said about the 4-way, sorry, I thought I had said something more specific

weird sideways thought as I check discord and see marmot's post about postcap lifting + hammer.....of 7

tutuu only reached like 5 today, right? I have a thought that I'm gonna put on a burner and cook low and slow

i completely forgot about the hammer too

i reached 5 today yes

also earlier i put falcon at 6

minutes after that, his wagon disappeared

neon, seanzie, and ... one more. pyxxy. those 3 unvoted falcon pretty fast

neon and seanzie went onto me, pyxxy went to nook

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

me putting falcon at 6 votes

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Mmm vote tutuu

neon unvotes falcon 54 minutes after that

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

seanzie unvotes falcon a few hours after that

(snip)
Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself thinking about late game and pruning falcon now.....[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

this vote movement is likely important to note, thx tutuu

and i guess this is the proof that i didn't imagine things, pyxxy was on nook at some point

[WindwardAway]

So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy ij what world are lily/me ever a thing because she has been wanting me dead all game and even wanted me dead over tutuu/falcon

That isn't bussing or theater.

My analysis of you being a teammate is based on personal PoE and wagon economy. I have not yet done ISOs.

[WindwardAway]

and you're welcome to add neon and porscha to your own poe but i'm never making that move
because they were both higher in both of my readlists yesterday than lily, so there was a 0% chance wolves would've ever thought I'd jail them. My guess is they went for the highest read I had.

[Sabiplz]

So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

Because it was the very first post which is weird to me to not consider any other possibilities.

[WindwardAway]

I will vote anyone in my poe but prefer sabi/tutuu and atm sabi as my vote.

note that lily doesn't want falcon out
like that post earlier where she said she didnt want people to swap off of tutuu onto falcon
looks like falcon's gonna get yeeted tomorrow imo

@tutuu if you're town and from your pov falcon is scum, why would he move his vote off of you? Why are you appealing to him like he's town?

i decided u and him aren't w/w

i gotta go back through and figure out why tutuu didn't think falcon and sabi are paired
if I can find her reasoning and I agree with it, that's super important.

[WindwardAway]

So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

Because it was the very first post which is weird to me to not consider any other possibilities.

what other possibilities
this isn't a roleblocker setup, and the town doctor is odd-night.

[WindwardAway]

Now let's kill sabi and move on so we can analyze that juicy spew

does lily actually repeat this over and over again for ... most of the game as a wolf with sabi?
she really wanted sabi dead and she really wanted falcon to live
i mean that's S-tier distancing if she can polarize how differently she treats her partners, but actually this points to only one of sabi/falcon being a wolf, so I think tutuu was right to say they aren't w/w
and i think falcon looks far worse than sabi does

[Sabiplz]

So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

Because it was the very first post which is weird to me to not consider any other possibilities.

what other possibilities
this isn't a roleblocker setup, and the town doctor is odd-night.

That changes things. I thought doc was even night

[WindwardAway]

I'm p sure if falcon flips town here this game is mega doomed

Dislike that this eod feels like once again sabi receives 0 pressure just like the entire day

does anyone know whether w!lily goes in really hard on her partners or if she only does this to town?
my guess is the latter but i want to make sure nobody has contradicting evidence

[Seanzie]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

I was a host for hedgehog so I read the game, remember that :P

Regardless my 180 on lily was due to how she kept scumreading me like she usually does in every game and it felt towny. Can I ask why you are going through my iso first and not reading me from lily iso? I don't have tmi on her. She does.

I know you were a host for hedgehog, I specifically mentioned that you didn't see the interaction without TMI (in hedgehog)

Can you provide some places where you felt Lily's scumread of you was townie?

I looked through your ISO because WWA asked me where I stood on you, and I have waited far too long to get a good grasp on where you should be in my solve, so I decided to ISO you. It then turned into a whole big hullabaloo of a post because i had lots to say.

[WindwardAway]

So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

why is saying there's a redcheck a weird thing? I can't self-jail and there is no way in hell that anyone else is a kill target on an even night.

Because it was the very first post which is weird to me to not consider any other possibilities.

what other possibilities
this isn't a roleblocker setup, and the town doctor is odd-night.

That changes things. I thought doc was even night

no, i'm the only even-night pr
even in the roleblocker setup, i'm the only even-night pr. the town roleblocker would be a 2-shot, and by now it would be fairly safe for them to out and confirm the setup, and we'd have a poe of 2 unless i overlapped with them.
but the rondo kill is pretty much always indicative of a doctor setup because I could've been killed without any issues on N1 in a roleblocker setup.

[Seanzie]

Now let's kill sabi and move on so we can analyze that juicy spew

does lily actually repeat this over and over again for ... most of the game as a wolf with sabi?
she really wanted sabi dead and she really wanted falcon to live
i mean that's S-tier distancing if she can polarize how differently she treats her partners, but actually this points to only one of sabi/falcon being a wolf, so I think tutuu was right to say they aren't w/w
and i think falcon looks far worse than sabi does

I think one thing to consider is that from almost the very start of the game, Sabi was repeatedly saying "Lily scumreads me every game no matter what", which is likely true regardless of alignments, so this could give Lily/Sabi an easy-to-fake dynamic if they're wolves together.

[WindwardAway]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

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i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

I can disagree with how you're approaching a person and still think they aren't towny.

What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

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[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

[WindwardAway]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

[WindwardAway]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

EBWOP
I meant wilgy, geez, why do I keep messing up names in my posts? wasn't it you two who said lily had some scum equity?

[Seanzie]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

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i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

What part of my approach to pyxxy is wrong when in everyone words are I know him best so shouldn't I know something is off better than others?

What kind of take is this....

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

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[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

oh yes i forgot to mention

another reason why i think sabi could be mafia is just sheeping lucy

before lucy had a meltdown - her reads all seemed solid (except maybe pyxxy town i forgot if she townread him)

other than that - they all seemed right. she was confident sabi is maf

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

If you want to conf bias me leaving you be Wilgz as scum motivated then go ahead. I can't change your mind.

I can't win in any situation because eif I kept pushing you I would be scummy. If I give you breathing room I'm scummy.

Fuck me.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

I can't look into that right now because I am like 2 hours late into getting started on some work I have to do today, but I will let that stew in the back of my mind and take a look at it again later.

In the meantime, I did already address a potential world which could throw a monkey wrench in that solve in a post just a few seconds ago, which you should look at.

I will think on it and look into it closely later after I get some work done. I need to step away from mafia for a bit though, otherwise the exam I'm supposed to give tomorrow... will not be given... because I haven't written it yet...

[Seanzie]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

I will definitely re-read, but again, if Sabi/Lily planned Lily -----hardpress----> Sabi from the beginning, which they WOULD do, idk if Lily would choose to also hardpress their other teammate, instead I would view the second teammate interaction as independent of how Lily treats Sabi since Lily/Sabi have that history.

[WindwardAway]

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

Look I will vote tutuu over falcon. Falcon flip here feels troll as fuck

Not solving in sabi/tutuu means we're doomed to redo this day tomorrow lol

HELP ME LILY

@Neon HELP

No.

ok i think i'm done quotedumping for now, need to get my head out of the thread and do other stuff for a bit

[Seanzie]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

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He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

I will definitely re-read, but again, if Sabi/Lily planned Lily -----hardpress----> Sabi from the beginning, which they WOULD do, idk if Lily would choose to also hardpress their other teammate, instead I would view the second teammate interaction as independent of how Lily treats Sabi since Lily/Sabi have that history.

Also, it is possible that it is Lily/Sabi/Nook or Lily/Sabi/Pyxxy, my Lily/Sabi/Falcon read isn't so strong that I am locking that in and turning a blind eye, but yeah, I will look at that when I have time.

[WindwardAway]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

I will definitely re-read, but again, if Sabi/Lily planned Lily -----hardpress----> Sabi from the beginning, which they WOULD do, idk if Lily would choose to also hardpress their other teammate, instead I would view the second teammate interaction as independent of how Lily treats Sabi since Lily/Sabi have that history.

oh yeah, i'm not arguing with your point that a premeditated distancing could be a thing. my point is moreso that, if they did decide already that they'd distance with lily hard pushing on sabi and sabi townreading lily for (??) reasons in return, then wouldn't it make more sense for lily to mid-tier the last wolf instead of to try her darndest to save w!falcon? cause flipping w!sabi would grant her a pelt if they're partnered, so why would she shy away from flipping falcon if it's towncred she's after?

[Seanzie]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

I will definitely re-read, but again, if Sabi/Lily planned Lily -----hardpress----> Sabi from the beginning, which they WOULD do, idk if Lily would choose to also hardpress their other teammate, instead I would view the second teammate interaction as independent of how Lily treats Sabi since Lily/Sabi have that history.

oh yeah, i'm not arguing with your point that a premeditated distancing could be a thing. my point is moreso that, if they did decide already that they'd distance with lily hard pushing on sabi and sabi townreading lily for (??) reasons in return, then wouldn't it make more sense for lily to mid-tier the last wolf instead of to try her darndest to save w!falcon? cause flipping w!sabi would grant her a pelt if they're partnered, so why would she shy away from flipping falcon if it's towncred she's after?

You're making good points, and I see what you're saying.

To play devil's advocate though, I'd say it can be as simple as Lily not necessarily wanting to have to hellbus both her partners. Either because that likely would raise the question of "why aren't you dead?" in F3, and also because a lot of wolves don't like to wolf alone.

But yeah, I will definitely think on this more concretely when I have time.

[Sabiplz]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

Sabi. I'm not the only person with this take. So like think about that and stop trying to act like I'm being unreasonable.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

So you think rondo got NKd cuz of sabi sr and that Lucy had to have been right on sabi sr?

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

@Sabiplz whats your pyxxy read now?

@pyxxy whats your sabi read now?

@falcon45ca do you have reads?

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

I don't think that I'm at the point where I'm conf biased at this stage, I needed to understand why I may have this guy take and I think I've accomplished that at least now.

I think it's also not a matter of pushing me vs giving me room, it was how you interacted with me. You gave me room yes, but we're in a negative stance. You asked for my opinions on the low posters specifically and I don't know why. You've also not actually interfaced with the reads I have made implying that I'm just copying someone else. I want to know why you think these things, not that you think them.

I hope that makes sense. I don't mean to make you feel damned if you do damned if you don't because I totally get how that could hurt wim.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

I was a host for hedgehog so I read the game, remember that :P

Regardless my 180 on lily was due to how she kept scumreading me like she usually does in every game and it felt towny. Can I ask why you are going through my iso first and not reading me from lily iso? I don't have tmi on her. She does.

I know you were a host for hedgehog, I specifically mentioned that you didn't see the interaction without TMI (in hedgehog)

Can you provide some places where you felt Lily's scumread of you was townie?

I looked through your ISO because WWA asked me where I stood on you, and I have waited far too long to get a good grasp on where you should be in my solve, so I decided to ISO you. It then turned into a whole big hullabaloo of a post because i had lots to say.

The progression in order felt like towny lily to me:

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 9#p1031509
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1031565
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1031578
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1031593
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 4#p1031594
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1031597
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1031603
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1031677
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1032193
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 6#p1032196
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1032205
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1032225
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 9#p1032389
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 1#p1032451

[Seanzie]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

The other people are lily who literally scum reads me as soon as she sees me on the playerlist and lucy who I believe is not town.

So yes I will push on you because you usually find me as town

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

Because you literally haven't done anything that isn't copy able as a wolf???

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

im very confident rondo was killed as an attempt to kill the second PR

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

He's still town side of null

Nothing from the flips has made me change my read in him from last time

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

OK so why I ask for Nook and falcon:

- they weren't that talked about in the thread so I wanted organic, non gmo, vegan Wilgz content

- you know them both better than I do hence why I wanted your takes on them.

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The reasons why I thought your Sean and Porscha reads felt cotton candy because everyone had stated those reads. It felt like you were not saying your own thoughts.

Anything else?

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I Eman yall can flip me today. I don't care and it will show in not aligned with tutuu at all.

I. Don't want to spend my time on a game if I push anyone it's omg sabi a wolf again. I'm playing the game and trying to solve

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Well I'm gonna be honest I kinda have little reason to townread you after I thought about it

I think you pocketed me and your flip gives town a lot of info anyways

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

I was a host for hedgehog so I read the game, remember that :P

Regardless my 180 on lily was due to how she kept scumreading me like she usually does in every game and it felt towny. Can I ask why you are going through my iso first and not reading me from lily iso? I don't have tmi on her. She does.

I know you were a host for hedgehog, I specifically mentioned that you didn't see the interaction without TMI (in hedgehog)

Can you provide some places where you felt Lily's scumread of you was townie?

I looked through your ISO because WWA asked me where I stood on you, and I have waited far too long to get a good grasp on where you should be in my solve, so I decided to ISO you. It then turned into a whole big hullabaloo of a post because i had lots to say.

The progression in order felt like towny lily to me:

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 9#p1031509
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1031565
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1031578
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1031593
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 4#p1031594
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1031597
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1031603
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1031677
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1032193
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 6#p1032196
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1032205
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1032225
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 9#p1032389
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 1#p1032451

At some point you said that TS only lets you quote 10 things, I don't think that's true? Anyways, this is torture. If you want to win so badly that you resort to this sort of torture, I'll just give it to you (this is a joke btw).

I will actually look later.

[Sabiplz]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

when you've caught up, can you give me some thoughts on what i said about tutuu maybe being right that sabi/falcon isn't such a likely pairing, based on the disparity between how lily treated them? it looked to me as if lily was protecting falcon and trying to shift wagons in such a way that the two leading wagons would've been tutuu/sabi rather than tutuu/falcon. she was pushing that tutuu/falcon were t/t and that she would only want tutuu to flip if it meant falcon would not.

lol sorry, your post above mine hadn't loaded yet
still, though. look at the stuff lily said about falcon and compare what she said about sabi. even if you think the lily/sabi thing could be theatre, do you think lily tries to push people completely off one of her partners onto the other one? she had no reason to antispew yesterday toward the end of day because only you and uhhh seanzie? i forget who else. thought that she warranted a reread.

I will definitely re-read, but again, if Sabi/Lily planned Lily -----hardpress----> Sabi from the beginning, which they WOULD do, idk if Lily would choose to also hardpress their other teammate, instead I would view the second teammate interaction as independent of how Lily treats Sabi since Lily/Sabi have that history.

Also, it is possible that it is Lily/Sabi/Nook or Lily/Sabi/Pyxxy, my Lily/Sabi/Falcon read isn't so strong that I am locking that in and turning a blind eye, but yeah, I will look at that when I have time.

You being conf biased on to me is quite annoying when you can see how lily treated me esp at eod yesterday and be like oh yea they are w/w.

In what world is wolf lily telling people to vote me over tutuu and falcon when the wagons were falcon/tutuu and not me.

Like

Ahhhhh

[Sabiplz]

Running a Sabi ISO:

TLDR: Overall, I came out of this feeling quite bad about Sabi, and thinking that Sabi/Lily have reasonably good w/w potential. Sabi has pushed in all the wrong directions, and dead townies have wanted Sabi gone. I think if both Sabi and Lily are wolf, Falcon is the most likely 3rd.

@Sabiplz would you mind elaborating on your late-D1 Lily progression? You do a 180, but I can't figure out why. I'd love to hear more about it.

Sabi ISO thoughts - color coded (blue - good, purple - null, red - bad, on a spectrum. Also yellow - possibly important, but not for Sabi's alignment)

Spoiler: show

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Sabi D1:

1.) Micro-read:

Spoiler: show

I.... Don't know how to feel about lucy at the moment.

I don't like this whole strat from her but idk if it's AI or lucyism

I... Don't know how to feel about pyxxy asking a lot of meta and format questions.

It feels towny off tone

But it also feels like blantant look im so towny for looking like I'm thinking about the game.

This repeat language this early into the game I think is lightly >rand!wolf

2.) Lucy/Rondo - I really don't like Sabi's push on Rondo re:Lucy. Sabi didn't actually play Hedgehog, so they did not see Rondo v Lucy without TMI, and then seemed to really try to minimize Rondo's Hedgehog read down to "Lucy is flipping out, therefore Lucy is wolf", removing all possible nuance from the situation, and using that and only that to base a "at least one wolf in Rondo/Lucy" in such a way that could have been Sabi trying to push Rondo to vote Lucy.

3.) D1 Lily/Sabi interactions from Sabi's ISO - There were a few posts there looked lightly not w/w between these two, and at one point Sabi looks reasonably good, sussing Lily in a way that looked natural, but then Sabi drops that sus without any indication as to why in a way that worries me. A few little things that could be w/w in there as well. Overall sight w/w, but not enough to write home about.

Spoiler: show

i kinda like most the vibes so far but lucy did like both of the scumtells i associate with her so

hmm

shes speedrunning my paranoia

What are the scumtells?

Also why is your pfp broken for me?

NAI

why vote lucy after talking about how you dont rvs vote and dont get her strat

is this like a malicious compliance moment? do you SR lucy?

She wanted me to vote and I wanted to be petty and give her a vote that I don't actually believe in (OK I believe it like 5% because of raisens).

This seems a bit overly-strong from Lily's side for how early it was, which lightly points to w/w, but I think Sabi's response is fine, so extremely light w/w, as light as can be.

Anyway tutuu and Porscha have obv town themselves for D1.

Lucy hasn't done anything that isn't fake able as wolf.

Lily is null and hasn't done anything controversial. All her reads mimic anyone else's in the thread. Like she conviently doubted her Dennis read once tutuu pointed out a sus post. Her sr of me is quite literally every fucking game even when I rand town.

Lot of words to just conclude Lily is null, but I'mma be generous and call this NAI.

bruh lucy asked us to put early votes whenever we sus'd anyone and I wasn't vibing with ur early posts

I'm not too invested in reading you because I'm pretty bad at it. I just didn't like your initial vibes. I just also didn't like your initial vibes in the last two games we played together and you were wolfing there

idk post good stuff I tr woohoo

You literally have scum read me every game since mafia misplay lol

I am not a monkey and going to cater my post to you. I am town so let me be. If you can't find me, oh whale. If you can't find a difference besides tone (congrats you found out why I was retired from mafia) between my posting this game and my wolf Rands, oh whale.

This kind of feels genuine, not-w/w points for this.

the "you're scummy because you're in your wolf range" read needs to die lol

Found lucy teammate

Level 0 this and the next 2 posts all look good, I can see town!Sabi having kind of felt like they found a wolf here and were a bit gloaty about it.

Wow maybe sabi is town! Wowza!

Pocket attempt denied

LOL

Stop ur trying too hard to sound villagery and it's making me scum read you more

Reverse pocket attempt also denied.

I'm not trying. Stop having skill issues.

i feel very ignored this game

HI.

I want your brain vomit while catching up

This has a very different tone towards Lily. NAI for now.

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

Again, very different tone to what looked good above, like Sabi forgot about scumreading Lily.

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

Yea I might have rushed it with the tutuu/lucy are unaligned read just because it felt like tutuu believed her push on lucy and it was so extra about it

But then she said something about town is losing if she's in limlo and that has bothered me because is that like an Easter egg?

Anyway yea idk what neon is doing and lucy is just anti spewing or whatever and I'm just annoyed.

I wanted this to be a normal game

Now, Sabi's no longer speaking to Lily in a way that suggests any scumread. Maybe Sabi just got over it, I know there was some time in between Sabi calling Lily a wolf and this, but it really could just be a wolf trying to distance for a while, and then dropping it later because it wasn't real sus.

4.) D1 Sabi threadfeel - There were a lot of Sabi's takes that I actually felt good about, and they and I mindmelded at least a few times through D1. I'mma give them a little credit for that.

Dead townies -
5.) Aro read Sabi as Null
6.) Rondo read Sabi as wolf - double points for NK'd townie.

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Sabi D2:

7.) Start of day performative - I don't really like these posts. Saying "oh just elim me" one minute into the day does absolutely nothing and if I was being disingenuous, I'd say this is a way to get the "sabi messed up" out of the way early since in general suspicion on stuff like that being brought up early gives it time to die, whereas if that gets brought up midday or late day, that can be dangerous. This is a bit reachy though. I also admit that town!Sabi can be a bit dramatic, so I'm only going to give this a lightly-south-of-null read.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Sabiplz ] aubergine

If tutuu needs me to die then so be it.

I kinda don't care at this point.



My. Legacy after I die is flip tutuu not pyxxy

This would imply scum believe WWA's claim yes?

there's no reason for neither town nor scum to doubt WWA's claim

8.) Weird post - I found this weird, it just didn't really fit with how I felt about the game at all? Like Nook and Falcon were blobs, but that's about it?

Is this game just everyone being a blob

9.) Sabi D2 threadfeel - I did not feel similarly to Sabi most of D2, but I will say that towards the end, they did seem to believe their Tutuu scumread. I will give them a few town points for that. I will say though, that if Sabi is wolf, Falcon's wolf equity goes up a lot based on the urgency in which Sabi played EoD2. (I know, a little level 0, but it is what it is)

10.) Sabi/Lily D2 - Sabi keeps a townread on Lily all day, no sign of whatever was going on mid-D1 to be found. More potential for w/w here than on D1. Sabi said they were going to ISO Lily because of my posts, but didn't. I think this is >rand!w/w.

Spoiler: show

bet

im curious if u have any scumreads beside me

i anticipated that rondo would be your scumread - you mentioned that you changed your mind on him overnight though - but asking u about ur read on a dead person probably doesnt matter regardless of ur alignment

so yeah, curious if u sus anyone else alongside me

You, falcon, and a wee bit of Nook ( I'm going to poke seanzie later to help me with Nook)

I have a good amount of town folks I have 100% belief are never scum :
WWA
Porscha
Seanzie
Dennis

Town but I'm scared of them:
Lily

Some towny nulls but I am staring at them hard:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz


Does that help you with my world view atm?

Sabi lists Lily as "town but I'm scared". A weird category, and also fully cements the D1 thing I saw which was a 180 on Lily with no explanation. One thing I will say is that it is a bit bold to put a wolfmate in a category by itself, so I'm maybe gonna say this is neither w/w or non-w/w?

Why do we think rondo died?

My thoughts were they believed his cc but any team with atleast one person familiar with Rondo would know it was a fake cc.

The other way was maybe the falcon push but idk

Maybe the theory about doc dodge is fine but like Porscha and Seanzie were more townread?

Idk if this is about Lily necessarily, but this post... just doesn't sit well. It is too much - nothing said here is wrong, but it kinda suggests that Sabi's been thinking about all the ways Rondo's death could be explained... for a bit longer than everyone else.

Fair enough, was it just those two or are there any others that seem to be laying low? Or has everyone kinda come to the table at this point?

Re Porscha Seanzie, do you also agree with the reads even if there were others that voiced it prior? Is it not or less likely that I'm in agreement with those voice because it seems clear?

I guess the only people left has been like neon lily and Dennis in terms of in depth/not totally confident talk so far. (I do confidently townread Dennis out of this list).

Yes I agreed with those reads. I feel like I had made that abundantly clear? It's not that the read was unagreeable for me. It was the fact it didn't feel like your own thoughts because it was common belief in thread.

Like I just wanted original Wilgz takes that weren't already mentioned in thread. It's how I usually read you because town you is know for having reads that tend to be off the beaten path.

I dunno if I make sense but I feel like I repeated this like five thousand times and I don't think you are understanding me

I find it a little weird that Sabi mentions Lily and Dennis as people who haven't come to the table yet, and then says they townread Dennis, even though Lily is also listed as a townread (granted, with a caveat, but one of fear, not of lack of read?), but not Lily. This is hedgy in the worst way.

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling, but if it is based off my comment, I don't think this is a fair assessment. I'm allowed to have some suspicion on you, and I'm still willing to work with you, but I do need to express thoughts about you.

Play the game, try to solve, let's work together. Can you remind me of who is in your towncore and who you suspect currently?

This was geared towards Wilgz and Neon who have just resorted to omg sabi wolfy for pushing their scumreads how dare they.

Anyway

I already mentioned it.

Town - 100% confidence:
Wwa
Porscha
You
Dennis

Town lead - 75% confidence:
Lily

Town side of null - 60% confidence:
Pyxxy
Neon
Wilgz

Everyone else scummy pile:
Nook
Falcon
Tutuu

Lily is now a townlean, rather than "town but scared"

I'm taking Seanzie notes in consideration and will iso lily soon

If Sabi did this, it would be a good look, but I don't think this happened, which is bad.

I miss drunk lily

We all miss drunk Lily. NAI.

Expand on this

Does tutuu's flip give us more info than sabi?

Yes 100%. It clears any doubt on neon I had. She has a ton fo spew and people she pocketed would be cleared due to it not being w/w.

What do you get out of me flipping town.

Curious what Sabi thinks of Neon now.

If you flip town it means tutuu is most likely a wolf and I just have it backwards rn

So why does my flip matter more than hers then?

I am trying to solve this game. I'm not pocketing or meming. Why is my flip, who is being productive, more valuable than tutuu? What has tutuu done to make the game forward

I REALLY don't like the fact that Sabi asked "what does flipping town!me do?" and Lily didn't call out that BS and say what flipping Sabi in general could do.

11.) Dead townie - Tutuu wolfread Sabi, but as proxy for Lucy.

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D3 Sabi - Only two posts, one again being kinda performative "woe is me, vote me", the other throwing light shade at Nook. Tempted to just ignore both of them.

I was a host for hedgehog so I read the game, remember that :P

Regardless my 180 on lily was due to how she kept scumreading me like she usually does in every game and it felt towny. Can I ask why you are going through my iso first and not reading me from lily iso? I don't have tmi on her. She does.

I know you were a host for hedgehog, I specifically mentioned that you didn't see the interaction without TMI (in hedgehog)

Can you provide some places where you felt Lily's scumread of you was townie?

I looked through your ISO because WWA asked me where I stood on you, and I have waited far too long to get a good grasp on where you should be in my solve, so I decided to ISO you. It then turned into a whole big hullabaloo of a post because i had lots to say.

The progression in order felt like towny lily to me:

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 9#p1031509
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1031565
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 8#p1031578
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1031593
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 4#p1031594
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1031597
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1031603
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 7#p1031677
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 3#p1032193
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 6#p1032196
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1032205
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1032225
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 9#p1032389
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 1#p1032451

At some point you said that TS only lets you quote 10 things, I don't think that's true? Anyways, this is torture. If you want to win so badly that you resort to this sort of torture, I'll just give it to you (this is a joke btw).

I will actually look later.

Everytime I click 10 multi quote, it breaks for me. Also it's easier when I'm isoing to do this on my phone.

I'M TOWN SEANZIE.

Ahhhhhhhh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I ISO'd Lily yesterday and just relooked at my ISO to remind myself what I was seeing.

Based on posts I pulled from her ISO, I think Dennis and Wilgy look better in a Wolf!Lily world, where Nook looks worse.

I will probably re-ISO Lily rather than just using my old notes, but this is a good place to start.

Wow, I am SHOCKED

Dude, I'm just playing the game. I am trying to bring you into the center of discussion both because I think you're likely a wolf, and because if I'm wrong, I want help figuring that out. Sorry, I know that's shocking, but I'm just trying to play in a good way, and I think what I'm doing is good play.

Lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

Pyxxy - I do need to reiso to look at interactions with lily

Falcon - lily avoided voting him yesterday

Nook - lily also avoided voting him but Nook was quick to say there was a red check which is weird

Wilgz - he was the first person from my memory that was pushing on lily.

Sabi - lily wanted me dead over tutuu and falcon and her interactions with me can be clearing based off that.


May I also like add neon and or Porscha to that pile? Lily being red checked adds them to the poe due to their interactions with lily

Not weird if you think about mechanics lol

[Sabiplz]

It's been like 15 hours and lily hasn't checked in

[Sabiplz]

Going to watch John Wick now xoxo

[Porscha]

I rescind my agreement to not hammer. I no longer care

[Dennis]

I ISO'd Lily yesterday and just relooked at my ISO to remind myself what I was seeing.

Based on posts I pulled from her ISO, I think Dennis and Wilgy look better in a Wolf!Lily world, where Nook looks worse.

I will probably re-ISO Lily rather than just using my old notes, but this is a good place to start.

Could you expand on this please

[falcon45ca]

So let me try something.

@pyxxy
@falcon45ca
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@DrWilgy
@Sabiplz

Between the five of you, which other two do you think are most likely to be paired with Lily? Give reasons if you have them readily available. The three of you who are town among you are in the best possible position for solving the game right now.

What? I don't follow, why are there necessarily 3 town and 2 wolves in that list?





I have no idea whose paired w/ lily, and anything I said would be pure guess work.







But who doesn't love a good guessing game! So pyxxy & wilgy are the scum bums

[Dennis]

So what I understand is-

WWA jailkept Lily, protecting them from dying qnd using abilities, including carrying the NK

Any team SHOULD have killed the claimed PR on the night they can't be protected

Since there was no kill, and no protect, Lily was carrying the kill and is therefore confirmed bad?

[Dennis]

BUT I shouldn't vote lily because we don't want to hammer