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I am less convinced that falcon is town though
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I fought time but lost. That's what's changed. I'll see what I can do.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:19 am @Epignosis - Hi buddy <3 been sooo long since we have played together. So has you style changed? That remains to be seen. What I have noticed is that you are QUIET. Not at all like I remember. You have given a couple of insights but tbh I am really unsure of who you suspect or why. Can you help out the town by giving a rainbow or reads list?
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This sounds like a lot of goofy sportsbetting trends I see regularly. "The Washington Nationals are 7-1 in home games on a Wednesday when their starting pitcher is a righty." That sort of thing.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:07 pmAlso multiple D1 wolf!Falcon elims that lead to town losses.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:05 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:41 pmI don't know. But Seanzie answered:falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:02 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:12 pmQuestions? I already got an answer.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:09 pmWhat's your question?Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:00 pm
See, this is what I would call a "pressure vote."
I'm pressuring falcon into answering my questions because it's a "pressure vote." So many questions.
I'm also making other people (and maybe falcon's teammates) talk more about falcon because this is a "pressure vote."
It sucks when I label something a "pressure vote" because it exposes my ploy.
If you had to guess, what would Sean's reason be for not being in favor of voting my slot?
Do you feel Seanzie has a good enough rapport with you to call that?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:36 amI don't care, still no. Falcon is never a good vote D1.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:00 pmSee, this is what I would call a "pressure vote."
I'm pressuring falcon into answering my questions because it's a "pressure vote." So many questions.
I'm also making other people (and maybe falcon's teammates) talk more about falcon because this is a "pressure vote."
It sucks when I label something a "pressure vote" because it exposes my ploy.
It's not rapport based, it's just he's personally witnessed multiple D1 town falcon lynches.
It's NAI for Sean to not want to flip me D1
But okay. You'd be cool voting off falcon Day 2 then?

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"behavior of" is what I got.
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I think the made-for-TV Tim Curry one is fun, but this one just plods along.
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Such as? I know I poo-pooed it, but I'm interested in the "Bad Falcon dies Day 1, civilians lose" trend.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:12 amI've said this like every game ever.fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:42 amQuoting myself for my own records; it was seanfingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:59 am There is someone else who said something like “falcon is notorious for his anti spew” (paraphrasing here) but if falcon is mafia look at whoever this person is
If falcon were to flip mafia, majorto Sean as this feels like a set up of “oh hey don’t read too much into what he posted!”
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S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:40 am For me, I know it's town Roxy when she comes in with a big reads list and rains her honesty down on us. Haven't seen this yet, so until it happens, I'm not sure. As for Splints, it's super hard for me to tell her bad from her good game. She a reluctant baddie I know, but she also is quiet when town, so looking for some insight there.
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Since idk if he'll show up before eod I am hereEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:53 pmSuch as? I know I poo-pooed it, but I'm interested in the "Bad Falcon dies Day 1, civilians lose" trend.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:12 amI've said this like every game ever.fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:42 amQuoting myself for my own records; it was seanfingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:59 am There is someone else who said something like “falcon is notorious for his anti spew” (paraphrasing here) but if falcon is mafia look at whoever this person is
If falcon were to flip mafia, majorto Sean as this feels like a set up of “oh hey don’t read too much into what he posted!”
If you look at cosmere mafia, I am pretty sure falcon got voted d1, flipped maf, then town lost without getting another mafia. I know this is just one example, but seanzie has been here much longer than me so I assume he's got more experience with this phenomenon
But I will say that seanzie does indeed do this most games I've played with him and falcon
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What have I done to earn a spot of there?
Somebody else had me up top too.
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You could say it was...meta.Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:58 pm Epignosis was because of the vote on falcon and then saying it was a pressure vote, which tbh I felt wasn't necessary to say

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[VOTE:
Neon] aubergine unless something changes in the next hour and a half.
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Neon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:30 pm This game state is the worst I've seen in a while.
2 town wagons. People being too busy telling each other how amazing they are to look at the actual game state and realize the thread is in shambles. Town probably already lost there's no cohesion
So that's cool.
I'd love to build a town core but this is all I got
DrWilgy
Neon
S~V~S
Syn
I'm pretty confident in this town core. I'd love to solve a game of mafia.
Why didn't Falcon make the list?
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Next page. Of course. Why is that?
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OK, this is where I left off when I got in my car. I haven't read past this although I see there are quite a few posts.
Like I said, I also think you and Wilgy are town.
As for the pocketing, oh yeah, there was a whole lot of that going on. Everyone except you and syn, for sure, and I might give it to Lemon too. It was gratifying but I don't think I much took it into account.
This was my last reads post, changes/modifications in pink:
At this stage, I most want to sort how I feel about Lemon/Syn. I personally suspected Syn more, but i also don't want him to feel 'mean girled' out of the thread. So if he really wants out, I'm OK with that. I would like to see what Neon is seeing re Syn to townread him, as I would think she has experience there where I don't .S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:10 pm I want to thank everyone for all the pocketing, and since almost everyone did it, I feel refreshingly uninfluenced by it.
Some things so far have not changed for me. I lean civ on Neon. I lean more wolfy on syn than I did this AM, mainly for the stated desire to go after low posters on Day One. Those folks have the same odds of randing civ as any of us, and if they're town, force the woofs to NK them if they want to win. Or sort them later in the POE.
Otherwise, my only experience with syn is Party Crasher, which is no experience at all. I'm sure they got a better look at my game than I got at theirs. So I'm more likely to rely on the opinions of others re syn.
I am conflicted on syn. That is kinda wrapped up in Lemon for me. I searched her iso for 'Syn" and there were 31 results; of those about 10 were clear statements of "I townread Syn".
I am going to reread Splints, her posts seem a bit ... I dunno, following the crowd a bit? I am still feeling a bit squidgy about Splints. Not towncore, but not convinced of wolfiness.
I always think Dennis is bad, lol, but I'm warming up to his game here. @Dennis , I saw you posted on Splints, on the fact that she is posting at all being AI. What do you think of what she is saying? Dennis has moved to civ side for me
I saw Sixes reply, and I'm still processing it. It seemed sincere, but I'm not sure it answered my question. So not my likeliest vote as of now, but not my least likely either. I saw his response to my "?", but not sure I believed it
No real opinion on Falcon yet, I misread him alot when I first started playing with him so i'm fairly cautious about him, and i haven't found any hooks or tells that help me sort him as of yet. @Neon I would have to rely on your read here, and possibly Seans, as he always looks exactly the same to me
I feel pretty good about Sean, mainly tone, no other reason. He seems very laid back, relaxed. Not the same as he felt in GOC where we were bad teammates. Samesies
Epi had zero reason as a baddie to point out what he did about my reaction to a host post. He can fool me better than most, but as of now, as I said, I don't see why he would bother making the post he did if he was bad. Also same
Same for Wilgy, and his level of solve is good, and he isn't posting go along to get along opinions. I'm not as sure about Lemon as he is, I still think Lemon was sincere in his reasons for pushing me. Lemon doesn't know me, and in addition to being OG, I have always been a bit quixotic even back in the day. I learned my lesson about judging people based on stylistic differences in the Anni game. I am more conflicted on Lemon than I was, all those overt defenses of syn for pretty much 'vibes' ; I think I need to sort this out.
Mata is incredibly insightful, and i hope she brings some of that. @Matahari come play with us. I haven't read her more recent posts, but when she answered me earlier, I was not thoroughly reassured. Her answer re Splints was a bit slippery, but historically, Mata is a hard read for me.
Roxy is also a bit of a question mark for me; she graciously defended me, but I am looking forward to hearing her suspects, or her town, or her reads in general. I find she is very insightful and gets to the crux of the matter, without pulling any punches. I feel better about Roxy, her reads seemed genuine and she didn't seem to be pulling back.
I don't understand the case on Falcon; can someone explain it to me? Of the other people with votes, I won't be voting for Epi or Neon.
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I do feel better about her, thanks for helpfully pointing this post out. How do you feel about her?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:59 pmS~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:40 am For me, I know it's town Roxy when she comes in with a big reads list and rains her honesty down on us. Haven't seen this yet, so until it happens, I'm not sure. As for Splints, it's super hard for me to tell her bad from her good game. She a reluctant baddie I know, but she also is quiet when town, so looking for some insight there.Spoiler: show
What say you regarding Roxy, S~V~S?
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That was because Robyn put their evil genius pants on in Cosmere and pulled us out of the bag. I'm pretty sure it didn't have any woo woo reasons behind it.Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:01 pmSince idk if he'll show up before eod I am hereEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:53 pmSuch as? I know I poo-pooed it, but I'm interested in the "Bad Falcon dies Day 1, civilians lose" trend.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:12 amI've said this like every game ever.fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:42 amQuoting myself for my own records; it was seanfingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 8:59 am There is someone else who said something like “falcon is notorious for his anti spew” (paraphrasing here) but if falcon is mafia look at whoever this person is
If falcon were to flip mafia, majorto Sean as this feels like a set up of “oh hey don’t read too much into what he posted!”
If you look at cosmere mafia, I am pretty sure falcon got voted d1, flipped maf, then town lost without getting another mafia. I know this is just one example, but seanzie has been here much longer than me so I assume he's got more experience with this phenomenon
But I will say that seanzie does indeed do this most games I've played with him and falcon
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Not suspicious.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:23 pmI do feel better about her, thanks for helpfully pointing this post out. How do you feel about her?Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:59 pmS~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:40 am For me, I know it's town Roxy when she comes in with a big reads list and rains her honesty down on us. Haven't seen this yet, so until it happens, I'm not sure. As for Splints, it's super hard for me to tell her bad from her good game. She a reluctant baddie I know, but she also is quiet when town, so looking for some insight there.Spoiler: show
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OK, right now I'm going to [VOTE:
syn] aubergine becasue I think he's more likely to be bad than Neon, who is the other leading wagon.
But I'll be here till the end, and can move should Syn decide to live, or other circumstances change.
But I'll be here till the end, and can move should Syn decide to live, or other circumstances change.
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I'm sticking with my Falcon vote.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:22 pmThere are like 7 answers to this question. I will provide 2.
1.) There is an unexplained phenomenon in mafia that may or may not be backed up by statistics that a D1 wolf flip actually leads to more town losses than wins.
2.) Falcon's biggest strength IMO as a wolf is anti-spew. It is very hard to use Falcon's ISO to find their partner's post-flip, and people who try more often end up misyeeting rather than hitting teammates.
Let's see if dead mafia Falcon Day 1 means anything. Seanzie says Falcon has a strength here.
Falcon has a daunting 16 posts.

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My suspicions remain largely unchanged. Syn had caught my attention early and subsequent dialogue has not improved the case so my vote remains.
[VOTE: Syn] aubergine
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Day 1 has ended.
Syn has been lynched. He was:
It is now night, the thread will be locked for 24 hours. Mafia members have 23 hours to get their night kill in.
Syn has been lynched. He was:
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Everyone was in a daze at the party, probably from the 'shrooms someone slipped in the stew.
Suddenly someone was tied to a chair. A familiar face approached with a knife, the others screamed in horror as they slit her throat.
SVS has died. She was:
The thread is now unlocked and you have 48 and a half hours to catch a baddie.
Happy Easter everyone! Please note that tomorrow is not EOD and the game will NOT be interupted for the holiday!
Suddenly someone was tied to a chair. A familiar face approached with a knife, the others screamed in horror as they slit her throat.
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Syn - Just too darn nice to be a baddie role. Towncore. Vanilla civ.
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RIP SVS and Syn.
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Rip SixStrings Syn and Syn SVS
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oh wow look at that my top two towns were both town
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[VOTE:
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talk tomorrow
am tired today
tag me if you have questions thnx
am tired today
tag me if you have questions thnx
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Don't know where to begin with this. I don't know what the first thing means. I suspect you and falcon, so I'm not in your pocket. I'm not choosing anything.
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Neither of those names are any good. Please try again.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:31 pmDon't know where to begin with this. I don't know what the first thing means. I suspect you and falcon, so I'm not in your pocket. I'm not choosing anything.
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Is it safe to kill falcon now?

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The first game we played together, you went after precieved-LHF-me. Now you're going after LHF Falcon.
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Jesus, that was ages ago. I had to look it up.

The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.
I was bad in Bike, so am I bad here?
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Yes.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:50 pmJesus, that was ages ago. I had to look it up.
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The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.
I was bad in Bike, so am I bad here?
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A part of me wishes to applaud the lack of shits given regarding consistency.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:51 pmYes.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:50 pmJesus, that was ages ago. I had to look it up.
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The problem here is that you have me at the top of your list and you are accusing me of going after left handed fiddlers.
I was bad in Bike, so am I bad here?
Another part is dying to defenestrate you.
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