timmer has made some good observations re: LC and reminded me why I was pinged so heavily by him earlier, and I found TH made some good points regarding DF as well, a suspicion I've carried for a little while now.
No problem! Thanks for responding.Snow Dog wrote:
I apologise for being tetchy. It's me not you.I am having difficulty as usual on finding anything really to latch on to. My fault again as I should be reading more thoroughly. I will try and get down to rereading some stuff.
About DH. Well i don't really know much about his playstyle. I guess you'll go and show me how many games played with him now, but for my part I don't remember. But what i read sounds believable. Do you think he is bad? If so can you concisely explain why?
Made is civ. That's what I think anyway.
Elo's vote for zeek pinged me a bit.
Honestly, I don't remember hardly any games that you played with DH, so I was wondering if you had a perspective about him that wasn't influenced by his gameplay.
I'm torn on him, personally, but I am considering him as a candidate for my vote today.
How do you feel about zeek?
You really think FZ.'s playstyle here seems similar to Cars? Interesting. Because I'm not sure if I feel that way. That said, I don't have a read on her right now.DFaraday wrote:Zeek, to address your point about whom I trust or suspect, I don't have anyone I feel very sure of as being civ (other than myself), but I'm feeling pretty good about Dom, SVS, and FZ. I disagree with FZ's line of thinking, but I feel like this is similar to her civvie style from Cars.
As for suspects, Made is still on my radar for how weird his actions have been (although I'm less suspicious since we found out he's not necessarily lying),and the way Boomslang did a NO U on Dom has me eying him a bit more. DH is still a big question mark for me.
I also find it weird how so many people trust MP, as I don't have a stance on him either way this game.
I don't understand what you mean by "how weird his actions have been". What do you mean?
"It was logic enough for 8 people"? Not sure how that justifies it. But nonetheless, impasse indeed.zeek wrote:It was logic enough for 8 people. I'm not going to beat you over the head with this but I just don't see why you didn't give it more consideration. But there you go, we've reached an impasse on that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Seemed set on dismissing? Yeah, I suppose you could say that, because I didn't comprehend any logical reason that he would lie as a baddie.
I don't understand how it was very un-MP-like, but if you think that, then I don't know what else to say about it.
Where are you looking right now?
I don't know who to really look at right now. Got 5 people on my shortlist: Boom, DH, DF, Rox and yourself.
Why those 5?
I suppose it's typical of Dom. Not sure about that specific wording, but he does ask those kinds of questions.FZ. wrote:I really have no idea who I'm going to vote for. I feel there are too many players not active enough, and the fact that there was so much chaos surrounding Made's forced vote did not help things much. I think it just made it easy for the baddies to blend in.
I have a few questions:
1. I noticed a lot of Dom's posts end with a question of the "can you see how..." type. Is that what he normally does? Because I don't remember that. I was wondering if people might have input on that.
2. LC and Made both felt very strongly about DH, yet I haven't seen either of them pursue that strong feeling recently. I have to wonder why. Is it that they backed of because it didn't work for them because people were not following, or did they actually change their mind and if so, why?
3. Any thoughts concerning Mongoose?
I would really like to hear more from Roxy, TH, Mongoose and all the rest that have kind of disappeared.
Very good point about LC and Made. I'd like to hear about that from them too.
I have found Mongoose mildly suspicious, but I'm far from sure. What do you think of her?
Why do you say this? Who is everyone? I've not said that. I have been publicly in agreement with you regarding Made.FZ. wrote:By the way, TH, did you not see that I said all the things you said? Did you see and choose not to say you agree with me? And is it good that you agree with me? Because everyone tells me my logic is flawed.
I agree with a lot of this.Turnip Head wrote:You call that subtle defending? lol I was pretty outspoken about it. I absolutely believed we should not lynch Made based on yesterday's "evidence". I think it was ignorant to vote for Made without considering all points of view. I stated a few times that Made could still be a baddie, but not for the reasons that people were voting for him. That said, I've felt good about Made in all his recent posts so I'll continue to subtly defend him because I think he's a civvie.DharmaHelper wrote:The llama suspicion being weak, and the subtle defending from Bass and TH (and possibly others, I can't recall specifics and its too late atm to go fishing)
I do recall Bass making a post along the line of "I see the case on Made, but can we really afford to pull the trigger?" and TH's support of Made is well documented.
That might be the most logical chunk for you, DH, but I don't see the logic in it at all. I actually think that most of the Llama voters were civvies who felt Made was being wrongly accused by Llama and others. Possibly a baddie or two in there since the votes were so focused on two individuals. But I don't think there's any reason to analyze the Llama voters over the Made voters, UNLESS Made is a baddie. And we'd have to lynch Made to find that out, and I don't think he's a baddie, so... unless you get Made lynched, and he then flips baddie, unless that happens then I don't see how we can possibly walk down this line of logic.DharmaHelper wrote:Logically, in a game like this and in actual detective work, etc, it makes the most sense to start with the larger picture and work your way down into smaller chunks that are easier to analyze.
For me, the most logical "chunk" to analyze is llama voters.
In fact, I feel much more compelled to look at the Made voters than the Llama voters. Some people probably truly believed Made was lying, but I think others were aware that they could hop on that bandwagon without looking too suspicious. Made clearly made waves on Day 2 and I can see the baddies in their chatrooms salivating at the opportunity for an easy lynch.
How do you feel about DH and LC?
Interesting point, timmer, I'm glad you brought this up, and it's good to see you playing!timmer wrote:So I went back thru Day 1 again to see if any of the people who mentioned that the votes could be changed had said so before voting, which tripped someone up in a past game iirc, but alas, no one did.
I just through Day 2. It was mostly the Made show, and with a full read, I'd have still voted that way, it was the best lead available.
That said, I'm still getting pinged by LC.
He's smart, he know how to ask the proper questions.
So when he says this:
I get pinged. A civ LC would be worried that a civ Made was getting framed. He would, imo, not only ask in relation to Mr. Boddy but also in terms of any other roles. "I think the answer would be the same"?? No. He would ask and come back with the answer. A baddie LC would post the above, though. He basically started the "ask the host, you'll see he's lying" trend, and didn't try to expand his question to provide Made with the possible out.Long Con wrote:![]()
I should note that I only asked in relation to Mr Boddy, so it wouldn't cover any secret weird stuff from another role. I think the answer would be the same.
I didn't think of this. My suspicion of LC was pretty heavy, but I abandoned it since I started to feel a bit better about him. However, since his recent relative absence and the points you've made, I could definitely consider an LC vote today.
That's awesome, man!!!zeek wrote:Gonna be really honest with you guys, I'm on the fence on who to vote for and I am not inclined to investigate any further to come up with a really good reason to vote one way or another. I've just asked my girlfriend's parents for their blessing to ask her to marry me. They said yes and were over the moon!But that's left me wanting to enjoy the night with her when she gets back from the gym.