Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Wins]

[tutuu]

Okay so Kate is town, right?

yea

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine



Okay so I messed up initially.

I think Porscha trying to undermine the Seanzie legacy/reads when he died when Tutuu was bringing it up was against town and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.

The HK flip kind of makes me feel like it's confirmable that she's a wolf.

[tutuu]

what do u think about u being sean's top scumread lime boy?

[Lime Coke]

What about Lime Pepsi?

pepsi stopped racism. glory to pepsi

it stopped police brutality too

Unironically I like that more, but it's never sold anywhere.

LimeCoke atleast exists through coke freestyle machines.

[Lime Coke]

what do u think about u being sean's top scumread lime boy?

Doesn't matter to me that much because I've said it before, he ends up scumreading me every game?

There's a line of games here on Syndicate before my suspension where he tunneled me and I was town every time.

Then Nanook hosted his Mafia Season thing and...

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6786007

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6863991

Both of these games he ended up scumreading me and per usual I was town.

So it doesn't really matter to me.

[tutuu]

to be honest sean scumread baker though, not you

obv i know that if ur town u cant rly say anything, u cant control neither baker nor sean. but im just pointing it out. that from our pov we probably have no reason to not trust sean's baker scumread, if u also agree that we should be following sean's legacy

[Lime Coke]

to be honest sean scumread baker though, not you

obv i know that if ur town u cant rly say anything, u cant control neither baker nor sean. but im just pointing it out. that from our pov we probably have no reason to not trust sean's baker scumread, if u also agree that we should be following sean's legacy

I mean I get that I was at the bottom, the fact that HK flipped wolf helped that idea out.

There could be something with the rest of the names that were in the bottom but I need to re-look at what he had to see who else he was onto.

I can only do so much beyond just play past it and try to provide a pelt of my own if I can manage to get it.

[Lime Coke]

pyxxy
tutuu
Caitlin

Porscha
Roxy
falcon45ca

Kate
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DrWilgy

Belzy

hollowkatt
Spacedaisy

fingersplints

baker

Fingersplints...?

[VOTE: FingerSplints] aubergine

[tutuu]

nook was also voting hkatt let me check his reads too

Porscha is probably town, Sean Roxy daisy and fingers are all in weh territory which is very weh for me cause they should be easier reads, hk is weh bordering on scum, and i guess I'll lazy townread Caitlin.

so far so good. nook and sean both scumread daisy and finger. but kate townreads both of them. i townread daisy myself

sorry LC i think i just gotta vote ya here buddy. well im sheeping kate to specify, she netted us a (honestly deep imo) wolf

[Lime Coke]

nook was also voting hkatt let me check his reads too

Porscha is probably town, Sean Roxy daisy and fingers are all in weh territory which is very weh for me cause they should be easier reads, hk is weh bordering on scum, and i guess I'll lazy townread Caitlin.

so far so good. nook and sean both scumread daisy and finger. but kate townreads both of them. i townread daisy myself

sorry LC i think i just gotta vote ya here buddy. well im sheeping kate to specify, she netted us a (honestly deep imo) wolf

You don't have to!

[Porscha]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine



Okay so I messed up initially.

I think Porscha trying to undermine the Seanzie legacy/reads when he died when Tutuu was bringing it up was against town and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.

The HK flip kind of makes me feel like it's confirmable that she's a wolf.

Why should sean be sheeped

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine



Okay so I messed up initially.

I think Porscha trying to undermine the Seanzie legacy/reads when he died when Tutuu was bringing it up was against town and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.

The HK flip kind of makes me feel like it's confirmable that she's a wolf.

Why should sean be sheeped

Good Question

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[Porscha]

You're being a little crazy

[Kate]

@falcon45ca I also had the same tinfoil on kate / HK w/w

Maybe someone could like vig kill me. Although the amount of tinfoil may stop the bullet.

[Kate]

Reskimmed Caitlin and I disapprove of this wagon still.

Caitlin had a very towny d1 and what bit of content we got d2 seems like it's coming from a town perspective. The bad Falcon vote is wrong, but understandable.

Hollowkatt? Diet coke?

Okay now THAT'S crossing the line!

I don't drink diet, dammit!

I'm sorry, I meant cherry coke.

[Kate]

Okay so Kate is town, right?

Yup and she drinks coke zero by the gallon.

[Lime Coke]

Reskimmed Caitlin and I disapprove of this wagon still.

Caitlin had a very towny d1 and what bit of content we got d2 seems like it's coming from a town perspective. The bad Falcon vote is wrong, but understandable.

Hollowkatt? Diet coke?

Okay now THAT'S crossing the line!

I don't drink diet, dammit!

I'm sorry, I meant cherry coke.

Okay so Kate is town, right?

Yup and she drinks coke zero by the gallon.

You are HURTING me worse and worse miss!

Make it stop!

[Lime Coke]

Actually cherry coke isn't bad but eh.

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca I also had the same tinfoil on kate / HK w/w

Yeah, it's def possible. The good thing is tho, with HKs flip, I feel Kate will self resolve

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine



Okay so I messed up initially.

I think Porscha trying to undermine the Seanzie legacy/reads when he died when Tutuu was bringing it up was against town and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.

The HK flip kind of makes me feel like it's confirmable that she's a wolf.

Why should sean be sheeped

Good Question

Remind me again where Sean had HK in his list

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca I also had the same tinfoil on kate / HK w/w

Maybe someone could like vig kill me. Although the amount of tinfoil may stop the bullet.

Is tinfoil good for anything besides leftovers, microwave fires, and chewing with fillings?




Prolly

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine



Okay so I messed up initially.

I think Porscha trying to undermine the Seanzie legacy/reads when he died when Tutuu was bringing it up was against town and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.

The HK flip kind of makes me feel like it's confirmable that she's a wolf.

Why should sean be sheeped

Good Question

Remind me again where Sean had HK in his list

Keep going you'll find it.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine



Okay so I messed up initially.

I think Porscha trying to undermine the Seanzie legacy/reads when he died when Tutuu was bringing it up was against town and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.

The HK flip kind of makes me feel like it's confirmable that she's a wolf.

Why should sean be sheeped

Good Question

Remind me again where Sean had HK in his list

Keep going you'll find it.

Oh, I know...I just find it funny that you're seemingly questioning sheeping Sean's reads, when in fact he was correct on HK



Am I missing something?

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine



Okay so I messed up initially.

I think Porscha trying to undermine the Seanzie legacy/reads when he died when Tutuu was bringing it up was against town and should be scrutinized with as much fortitude as possible.

The HK flip kind of makes me feel like it's confirmable that she's a wolf.

Why should sean be sheeped

Good Question

Remind me again where Sean had HK in his list

Keep going you'll find it.

Oh, I know...I just find it funny that you're seemingly questioning sheeping Sean's reads, when in fact he was correct on HK



Am I missing something?

Well he was wrong on me but he died n1 so he had to be right elsewhere.

And he sorta was.

[tutuu]

ok not afraid of quickhammer now probably time to vote [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[Roxy]

why didn't the day end? Why the extension? jc the day is 72 hours? What happened to my vote?

I give up there are no answers in the host posts just death so????

If there were already two deaths why extend the day? Why not just end it at the regular time and go to night?

I give up.

[Belzy]

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Good morning everyone.

Didn't realize there was an extension till now, thought they just exploded and that was that.

[DrWilgy]

Just skimmed through catching up on Porscha last night.

Somewhat confused how people see town here. There's still minimal hunting and I know T Porscha can T spew. Also Porscha not interacting or even showing any signs of attempting to read me in spite of my suspicion on their slot is yet another thing that's weird about their slot.

The Lime Coke vote feels in likeness to Nook and it's off-putting.

Aw wilgy do you want me to talk about you :3

yes plz. I miss you.

[DrWilgy]

HK/Lime

HK side:

catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.

One of the first interactions was calling Baker a wolf.

catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.

im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now

I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon

Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there

Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad

Mostly D1 is about finding townies more than it is finding wolves. If I can find a list of people I don't want to kill then (assuming I'm not bassackwards) all I need to do is chop everyone else yeah?

atm I'm good with tutuu, they're obvs. Baker was a sussy baka during their catch up.
Seanzie I am withholding a read on. Mostly b/c he hasn't asked for one. I think you're probably town and if so Falcon/Baker look more sus b/c of the way they're pushing on you (lhf/fluffy basically) which when it's the bulk of the case either comes from a wolf or comes from someone who's not really grokking the game. Either way it's a place to look.

Belzy I think is also town.

catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.

im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now

I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon

Blast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvT

why do you say that?

Blast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvT

It's funny because from my PoV, Hollowkatt now has made a situation where the 'atleast one wolf' does apply, but with Hollowkatt included, because if there's 3 townies then Hollowkatt looks very bad over it

An uncalled for 'has to be a mafia in it' isn't a very good look when it's on 3 townies after all-

So Hollowkatt, you better come with a very good explanation to avoid being the D1 elim~

I said that because it's been a focus from falcon/baker for a hot minute and if they're wrong they're pushing you for what I feel are flimsy reasons indicating there may be a wolf behind the push. I lumped you in there because you're the one they're focusing on.
What makes you think all three of you are town to the point where you'd instagib me? like that's pretty damn confident.

HK expands the Baker W read to Falc/Cait/Baker. With Falc/Baker showing pattern and Cait being the focus of the pattern.

HK did not have any notable interactions with Lime

Baker side:

It's time to dismount the hollowkatt wagon. Baker is here.

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

It's time to dismount the hollowkatt wagon. Baker is here.

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

HK was already the leading wagon, so you are just a bandwagon hopper at this point. What is your reason for this vote?

hollowkatt is one of the people that throws my name around easily. Caitlin is miles townier and I liked Falcon's reactions so far from what I am reading.

Baker dropping a vote on HK while HK was ahead is a good look. I don't see a wolf providing the opportunity for a teammate to just get buried as early as baker did.

My vote stays on hollowkatt because they thrown my name out there and it seems like it was done in bad intention.

FOS Seanzie

And Baker reaffirms the vote.

Lime side:
*crickets*

Conclusion:
Trouble telling if HK pushing Baker when others weren't looking that way was a push or distancing. Adding Falcon and Caitlin to this 'suspicion' trifecta of HK's made what could have been a W pushing a T into a WIFOM case, but I'd say that there is a tension between Lime and Falcon now because of it. They were both pushed for being too fluffy.

Baker's interactions with HK look pretty good. Half the mind to think that this isn't a good vote today because of Baker's interaction's towards HK. Baker was out of the game with the vote still on HK too.

Lime's lack of interactions with HK is very meh.

[DrWilgy]

HK/Belzy

Belzy otoh feels townie

HK gives a TR on Belzy

Dat's it chief.

Belzy Side:

Belzy
Falcon
Tutuu
Cait
Space
HK
Wilg
Porscha
Pyxxy
Nook
Finger
Baker
Sean
Roxy
Kate

Posting for reference

Belz provides a readlist with HK in a middling position. This was after HK had received multiple votes previously.

HK is a fine wagon.

Why is HK a fine wagon? During my catchup I don't see enough for HK being the leading wagon, and you are defending that wagon without given reason.

HK wagon is questioned against Sean. Feels like a defense on HK's slot.

It's time to dismount the hollowkatt wagon. Baker is here.

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

HK was already the leading wagon, so you are just a bandwagon hopper at this point. What is your reason for this vote?

Actively dissuades Baker from voting HK per bandwagonning.
! This one is interesting, as it feels that Belzy is taking a dissaproving stance towards Baker's vote, rather than trying to just understand it calling it Bandwagoning !

Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here

If there is wolf in them, then it think pyyxxy rather than HK.

Like its not a reaction test bcuz pyxxy acknowledges and admits unfair expectation, putting less pressure on daisy

Its not a scumread again coz of the aforementioned

This line "i acknowledge this is an unfair expectation" is just ultra scummy to me. Wolves write that all the time to not piss off people

I can see that.

Offer's Pyxxy as an alt to HK

Tutuu: I don't like this wagon.
Space: I don't like this wagon.
Kate: I like this wagon.
Pyxxy: I like this wagon.
Nook: I like this wagon.
HK: I don't like this wagon.

More HK wagon dissaproval.

Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.

Probably not voting them either

I semi-like Pyyxxy carefully, but not Sean. What about Sean is better than nothing?

What about Sean is worse than nothing?

Your vote on Tutuu, your approval of the HK wagon, and your scumreads.

Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.

Probably not voting them either

I semi-like Pyyxxy carefully, but not Sean. What about Sean is better than nothing?

What about Sean is worse than nothing?

Your vote on Tutuu, your approval of the HK wagon, and your scumreads.

My vote on Tutuu is a just a holdover from page 3. I've already said this to you. Are you listening, or do you just want to chop me no matter what?

What is wrong with the HK wagon? I'm not even on it and it has 3 others, so I am not the only one who views HK as potentially bad. Since you said you don't like my scumreads, does that mean you townread Baker? They're voting HK.

Tell me about HK. What is your take on their slot?

Yes, I was listening, but you asked me about it and I don't like the placeholding stuff.

Most votes on HK came without good reason in my opinion. I have yet to read a good reason to vote off HK.

Baker I was semi-scumreading.

Active opposition to Seanzie's approach of the HK wagon.

Belzy is too adorable omfg i just wanna pat their head and hug them

Sleep sleep smol belzy sleeepppp

Isnt it almost 9 pm in the netherlands? Its time for babies to sleeepppppp sleepyyyy sleeepyyy guguuu gagaaaa

Do u want me to sing u a lullaby? My dad used to sing it to me

In a little fooorest under a small tree. There it went, the little puppy. And it went - bau bau bau!

In a little fooorest under a small tree. There it went, the little kitty. And it went - meow meow meow!

In a little fooorest under a small tree. There it went, the little cow. And it went - moo moo moo!

In a little fooorest under a small tree. There it went, the little froggie. And it went - kero kero kero!

In a little fooorest under a small tree. There it went, the little pyxxie. And it went - woof woof woof!

In a little fooorest under a small tree. There it went, the little horsie. And it went - neigh neigh neigh!

And yes, the pyxxie went woof.
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Between HK and Pyxxy, the two leading wagons, I still believe Pyxxy is our best bet.

Puts Pyxxy ahead of HK.

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Puts Nook ahead of HK

Hk could be scum too, actually.

if Belzy is W, as Porscha/Belzy are likely not W/W, the world where Pyxxy is W reopens.

Belzy is V, so lets say pyxxy is V too then.

Porscha W? Maybe... what about Kate, HK,...

I am behind, catching up wise.

LC, Kate, Falcon and Caitlin are our wagon leaders. What made Finger and HK less point of interest?

and then went into d2 questioning if HK was scum, but only after other players.

Conclusion:
Push Belz off a cliff. Belzy went out of their way to defend and save HK d1 and then changed tone once Seanzie was no longer around to argue with on the subject now that HK was in a better position.

[DrWilgy]

HK/Falcon

catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.

im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now

I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon

Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there

Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad

Mostly D1 is about finding townies more than it is finding wolves. If I can find a list of people I don't want to kill then (assuming I'm not bassackwards) all I need to do is chop everyone else yeah?

atm I'm good with tutuu, they're obvs. Baker was a sussy baka during their catch up.
Seanzie I am withholding a read on. Mostly b/c he hasn't asked for one. I think you're probably town and if so Falcon/Baker look more sus b/c of the way they're pushing on you (lhf/fluffy basically) which when it's the bulk of the case either comes from a wolf or comes from someone who's not really grokking the game. Either way it's a place to look.

Belzy I think is also town.

catching up through p200 and all I learned was that Baker is a wolf.

im debating if i should continue trusting my baker townread or if i should townread hkatt here and trust him that baker is scummy. not sure whats the play

u could argue that baker is scum whos going for the white knight town cait play

maybe the safest play is to take away that cait is more reinforced townread and hold off on reading baker and hkatt for now

I think it's safe to say there's minimum one wolf between baker, cait, and falcon

Blast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvT

why do you say that?

Blast this the moment there's an indication Baker & Falcon are TvT

It's funny because from my PoV, Hollowkatt now has made a situation where the 'atleast one wolf' does apply, but with Hollowkatt included, because if there's 3 townies then Hollowkatt looks very bad over it

An uncalled for 'has to be a mafia in it' isn't a very good look when it's on 3 townies after all-

So Hollowkatt, you better come with a very good explanation to avoid being the D1 elim~

I said that because it's been a focus from falcon/baker for a hot minute and if they're wrong they're pushing you for what I feel are flimsy reasons indicating there may be a wolf behind the push. I lumped you in there because you're the one they're focusing on.
What makes you think all three of you are town to the point where you'd instagib me? like that's pretty damn confident.

HK details the Falc/Baker/Caitlin trifecta.

youre on my home turf. i'm more of a weirdo here because players on syndicate are better at reading people than people on mu are, so I'm much less likely to get sr'd for being a clown here, where I feel more comfortable

Oh hm, that's interesting. Seems like I'm even more out of place then with overall pretty bad reads haha
But hopefully that means this game will be easier if ppl tend to be correct more

why do you say that?

Because you implied there HAS to be a wolf in us, so if me, Falcon and Baker are all town, that's just very opportunistic. Your explanation on why Falcon & Baker are sus however was pretty satisfying, so I'll prob move my vote once I'm catched up

What makes you think all three of you are town to the point where you'd instagib me? like that's pretty damn confident.

I'm not confident? I even said that I wasn't sure both are town multiple times. How does that imply I'm confident...?

because you straight up said "if Falcon/Baker smells like TvT blast HK immediately" which to me says you've got some level of confidence there

Worth theorizing that Caitlin's ideas of if Falc/Baker TvT blast HK also means if HK gets Blasted Falcon/Baker TvT.

Falcon Side:

god hkatt is so hard to read ive no idea how to read him

IME, his reads are a bit more...graspy? when he's Maf

META commentary on HK.

Kate, HK & FS are fine wagons for this RD

HK included in what I think to be a good PoE d1.

That's about it boss

Conclusion: It looks decent enough for Falcon. If I'm just talking about interactions this is not townclearing, but plenty to look like there was not alot of teammate agenda going on.
The more I look at HK's callout of a wolf in Baker/Falcon/Cait, the more I see it as wolf just pushing townies.

When I add these interactions to my prior Falcon read, this lad doesn't belong in the PoE pretty much ever.

[Lime Coke]

@DrWilgy

The reason I never mentioned HK was because I have next to no idea how to read him.

At times it's normally best for me to let things happen and see how the game goes before trying to do anything with him.

[Lime Coke]

why didn't the day end? Why the extension? jc the day is 72 hours? What happened to my vote?

I give up there are no answers in the host posts just death so????

If there were already two deaths why extend the day? Why not just end it at the regular time and go to night?

I give up.

Two deaths and she just moved it to go a bit longer so that there's an actual conclusion to the phase.

It's fine since literally each of 1 side died. So just act like things are normal since numbers weren't messed up that much.

[DrWilgy]

HK/Splints

HK didn't interact with Splints

Splints didn't interact with HK

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[DrWilgy]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[DrWilgy]

Skipping Kate. That'd be some wild theater if W/W to the point of this possibility not being worth exploring.

[DrWilgy]

HK/Porscha

porscha can have a town lean, as a treat.

HK provides Porscha a TR

Donezo

Porscha side:

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

Sorry for the rand

Opened the game with apologizing for HK's rand.

Hollowkatt and Nanook also realistically prob contains a mafia; both make a read once in a blue moon - usually without explanation - and also either aren't voting or still have their first vote out there

Looking at Nanook more here because Hollowkatt had a townier start. I feel like town!Nanook would have done more atp, whereas mafia!Nanook could just let this thread state be bad

me no vote either tho

Advises against voting both HK and Nook

Hmmmm, Kate eh?

Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there

It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.

mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.

can confirm this

Validates HK's response to Daisy and HK's thoughts on their wagon

This game has big "Clem breaks his streak of playing well" vibes uwu

why do you say that

The vibes

what about them

They have "Clem breaks his streak of playing well" energy.

I can fix that for you

[VOTE: NanookTheWolf] aubergine

Votes Nook to 2 when HK was at 3. Meh.

nah instead I'm gonna double down. don't tell me to fucking relax it's not your fucking place.

uh oh who pressed the hk is town button

Responds to HK v Kate with a tr.

7 out of 13 players are currently not voting
5 out of 13 players never voted at all today their name isnt in the poll

would help guys to have people pushing each other more, voting and stuff. solidify the game and stuff. make the mafia squirm. right now they're chilling. altho i have no idea which wolf to push myself but im hoping maybe u guys do

tag 'em

is my opinion

Can you unvote me pls

but then how will I pull off a believable progression onto kate near EOD tomorrow

Just take your vote off me and start scum reading kate for scum reading HK or something idk

A push towards Kate over HK during the whole Kate V HK thing.

Donezozo.

Conclusion:
HK's side had minimal data but was pro Porscha. Porscha assisted in putting a wagon that saved HK into existence and seemed to be HK sided for a majority of the game. I get hung up on wondering does Porscha apologize to teammate HK for the rand at the very start of the game, but it's probably NAI.

Porscha stays in the PoE.

[DrWilgy]

Taking a break.

Need to finish Pyxxy, Roxy, Daisy, and Tutuu.

PoE as it stands is Belzy/Porscha/Splints. Keeping this to three would be optimal.

[pyxxy]

yea i dunno. pyxxy is pyxxy

I was basically saying + thinking through why I'm not sure I agree with your POE, and that I thought I should probably be higher

[pyxxy]

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

I'm back

[Belzy]

Only 5 ppl are voting rn? Wow..

[DrWilgy]

HK/Pyxxy

HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast

i think we should kill all 4

@Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...

so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?

Inquires Tutuu about Pyxxy

HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast

i think we should kill all 4

@Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...

so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?

i thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's town

because of this:

ok cool pyx probably town coz he didnt kill me. i was left alive to mischop him probably

and/or daisy might be mafia. and/or fs. going with sean's reads. and/or baker/lc

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine

?

or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?

its just that + sean had pyx as top town. time to sheep. pyx is lock town for me too now. no way he kills sean here only for me to chop him today, imo. i dunno it seems bad. much better for wolf pyx to kill me and have sean defend him. i dont think i was a bad n1 kill there considering ppls reads on me and my post count. but i was left alive coz my reads were all bad i think

About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them. But you seem sincere and yesterday you were really townie so meh carry on

Removes Pyxxy as an option.

Pyxxy side:

Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here

tutuu don't take this the wrong way but I almost feel like this post TMIs hollowkatt as town

Implies T TMI of Tutuu on HK

oooo that catchup was kinda fun

I would do a deal with y'all @Belzy and @tutuu

if you chop me today and I flip scum then you have to assume that hollowkatt is town for the rest of the game

no ifs ands or butts

Weird, but I'm not sure what to make of it. Does a W think they can get their teammate through the game by 'making a deal' with people?

@Spacedaisy I scumread you because you had your worldview clearly shaked but provided no insight into where you would go next

now with your re-entrance you've just decided to OMGUS me for nonsense reasons

tf you mean "Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me."

Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here

tutuu don't take this the wrong way but I almost feel like this post TMIs hollowkatt as town

oooo that catchup was kinda fun

I would do a deal with y'all @Belzy and @tutuu

if you chop me today and I flip scum then you have to assume that hollowkatt is town for the rest of the game

no ifs ands or butts

hollowkatt is lhf town in my book

you tried to distance from tutuu's townread on you which I would find towny

except

apparently you have no thoughts about how you and tutuu both have me as dark red confirmed scum?

HK deemed lhf T

Conclusion:
HK looks like a wolf trying to look for an angle on Pyxxy when asking Tutuu about them > into > Dropping the pyxxy push, which seems like a good look. I don't think W HK inquires specifically about a teammate who had momentum at the time of the ask as seen, only to close them from the PoE and closing teammate interactions based on a town's legacy.

However, the Pyxxy side is not a great look. Pyxxy defended HK from the everpresent Daisy threat and I can't make heads or tails of the 'remove hk from poe' schtick if 'I flip W'.

T Pyxxy would be implying 'when you see who I am, make sure HK is still on the table'
W Pyxxy would be implying 'look at how non teamed we are' but that's seemingly based on nothing.

It's weird. The weirdness makes me thing that this is in the yellow realm of middling. Wouldn't be a go to yeet, but I acknowledge I can't really make heads of it.

[Roxy]

Only 5 ppl are voting rn? Wow..

yah I lost my mojo for this game tbh
I will be back to vote but not yet I am loving @DrWilgy right now. You too @Belzy for keeping the thread going <3

[Belzy]

Wilg made a very good case on me, based on d1, I look really bad. On d2 I was willing to lynch HK tho and tried to get the attention back to him. I hope Porscha is wolf and we lynch here.

[Roxy]

Wilg made a very good case on me, based on d1, I look really bad. On d2 I was willing to lynch HK tho and tried to get the attention back to him. I hope Porscha is wolf and we lynch here.

I am at the point to do something I have never done in a game - sheeping.
I am going to sheep Wigly this day until I can feel this game again.

[DrWilgy]

HK/Roxy

Nothin about Rox on HK's side.

Roxy side:

Not digging hk or nooks vibe fyi

A scumlean vibe check on HK

Guys - can we NOT call Lime Coke LC??? Please on this site LC is one of the original members and he and his wife gave us some of the greatest games to ever be played on this site. Can we leave his nickname for him alone?
Just asking not insisting only because I think LC and BR deserve to have their names retired much the same way they retire numbers in/on sports teams.


baker / Lime Coke - still bad

Belzy - probs town

Caitlin - unsure probs town seems to be trying too hard imo and it's giving me bad vibes

DrWilgy - town

falcon45ca - town

fingersplints - town hope am not getting burnt again

hollowkatt - unsure

Kate - is bad

Porscha - did not like the comment only caught up a couple of pages and pyx is bad - nah you bad.

pyxxy - feels towny enough

Spacedaisy - is towning it up

tutuu bending over backwards to seem towny makes me want to read them bad so they are probs town.

Marks HK as unsure, but seems that HK is in Roxy's PoE of 5. Good cookie points.

if Belzy is W, as Porscha/Belzy are likely not W/W, the world where Pyxxy is W reopens.

Belzy is V, so lets say pyxxy is V too then.

Porscha W? Maybe... what about Kate, HK,...

Pretty much. I've stated this previously, but I'd think both T Kate and HK would have more visible signs and efforts of hunting. If that's not possible because of other ongoing, fine, but we need to get there eventually.

If we can provide the time for them to town tell, then cool, but I'll not weep if we throw them over. My concern is that do we really think both of these null to sr slots are actually wolves? Do we honestly think we just have two sleepy wolves in them both?

I cannot read HKatt but kate if she doesn't Kate it up she will be getting my vote.

Expresses uncertainty on HK read.

Lime Coke - idk
Belzy - probs town
Caitlin - idk the vibe is off
DrWilgy - probs town
falcon45ca - probs town
fingersplints - cannot trust my self so idk
hollowkatt - probs town
Kate - is bad
Porscha - idk
pyxxy - probs town
Spacedaisy - probs town
tutuu - feels off and all over the place could be bad



I may have backed off slightly yesterday but you people are too easily fooled and I really cannot back down today.

sorry Kate <3 you know I love ya but you be bad.

I see no reason to put off my vote any longer bc my mind will not change.

Vote Kate

Moves HK to townlean

Conclusion
There's nothing here to invalidate the team of Roxy/HK. It seems that Roxy's read of HK started w vibe, moved to uncertainty and then to town, however, it also appears that Roxy's read of HK was derived from their suspicion of Kate. Roxy's suspicion of Kate even on reskim FEELS genuine and I don't know if W Roxy would take the stances against Kate that were taken.

Roxy's progression I think makes sense. Wouldn't yeet but wouldn't call townfirmed.

[DrWilgy]

HK/Daisy

maybe we should policy chop the worst player in this game

I volunteer as tribute. I suck.

Also, I just ate a loaded mashed potato bowl for dinner and it was delicious. That is all.

town

HK gives Daisy a tr.

Hmmmm, Kate eh?

Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there

It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.

mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.

Expresses why they are being voted to Daisy. Somewhat of a vibe here, but this doesn't FEEL like a W talking to a teammate, rather a W petitioning for towny points.

HKatt and Lime Coke look the worst on a quick glance

But Daisy & Fingersplints prob look the worst...? Scumreading one of them isn't the most common read, atleast

i think we should kill all 4

@Kate @hollowkatt hi friends i noticed u haven't voted yet, may i interest you in a fine old aged pyxxy vote straight from my family's vineyard? mmm the smell ... delicious ...

so I may have lost track of what day it was yesterday soz about that. Tutuu why did you want me to vote pyxxy?

i thought he's mafia but that was false alarm dw he's town

because of this:

ok cool pyx probably town coz he didnt kill me. i was left alive to mischop him probably

and/or daisy might be mafia. and/or fs. going with sean's reads. and/or baker/lc

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine

?

or is there something else you've found that you liked about them?

About the only reason pyxxy would have killed seanzie there is to lock in the reads so that someone like you would absolutely sheep them

but pyxxy hasnt seen me be vocal about suggesting we sheep dead villagers, or has anyone else

thinking pyx is mafia is just overthinking it

me and sean were both consensus town, me a bit more

sean had pyx as top town. i had pyx as top scum

sean died. not me

ergo i think pyx should be town here. i was left alive to mischop pyx. since i was yelling a lot yesterday that pyx is mafia

kewl good talk lets regroup tomorrow unless ur dead.
So why daisy?

Quite abit of inquiry towards Tutuu on Daisy.

what if I do this: Spacedaisy is town

provides a tr.

Daisy side:

Hmmmm, Kate eh?

Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there

It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.

Expresses uncertainty towards HK

They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

Questions the HK wagon's existence.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

What response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanation

My point exactly

They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.

mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.

Fair enough.

I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.

God this is such a wolf post imo

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
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Eh, I actually politely disagree, I thought Pyxxy made a good point against Space Daisy here. Daisy's posts could easily have come from a wolf looking for a reason to support a wagon on a townie, and then when HK responded with some meh meh meh meh, Daisy didn't see it as meh, and instead said "oh, I shouldn't push there because HK is cognizent/fighting back". Daisy felt like they didn't actually want to engage with HK.

What no one is considering here is that I play more intuitively. So when I get a response that, on its surface, feels rational but I don’t know how I feel over all, I want to step back. Add to that the fact what I was saying was essentially, “people dumped votes on hk and I didn’t feel like I remember them responding much in any substantial way. That’s weird. Also why are they dumping votes on hk?” Obviously, I already was unsure about the situation overall.

Regardless of that, my first gut reaction to pyxxy’s response to me was that it was an odd reaction. See, I knew when I posted it that it was going to get me suspicion but the reason I expected it to is not what pyxxy said. I voted for Kate but primarily talked about hk. I know the reason I did that is because I’m a stream of consciousness kind of poster and I was actively trying to sort through how I felt about the hk wagon. But to anyone who doesn’t think like I do (most of the world probably) it should look suspicious. Pyxxy didn’t point that out though.

Seanzie’s response to my post feels town to me. Pyxxy’s doesn’t. I’m struggling to identify why but I think it’s because Seanzie immediately looked at it and clearly said, this is suspicious because it looks like a wolf looking for an easy target. Thus assumes hk’s alignment. Pyxxy didn’t say anything about hk’s alignment. as I was reading the exchange between tutuu/belly/pyxxy I realized it felt like I was being set up to look like hk’s partner when they flipped. So I think what it comes down to is Seanzie’s handling of my post and pyxxy’s handling of my post feel very different to me.

My only fear here is Seanzie assuming hk’s innocence because of TMI. But again, his handling feels very down so I’m going with my gut on this one. I don’t think Seanzie and pyxxy are both town and I am leaning Seanzie town, pyxxy wolf.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

What response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanation

My point exactly

They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.

mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.

Fair enough.

I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.

Fair enough = I am unsure how I feel about the response, but it felt reasonable.

If you had to GTH HK right now, what would you say?

GTH after all that, wolf. But it’s very much dependent upon how I’m feeling about pyxxy’s treatment of them/me and I would need to ISO them to move my vote there.

GTH's HK as wolf.

Ugh, after reading hk ISO like they are suspicious. I feel like they are null and possibly slight town lean.

I’m moving my vote to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Wolves don’t want to narrow the PoE. Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me. I just can’t decide if it’s because hk is teammate or hk is civ and pyxxy wants to keep them on the table as a viable future wagon for them to hop on.

EBWOP: Ugh, after reading hk ISO I don’t feel like they are suspicious. I feel like they are null and possibly slight town lean.

Moves HK to a null to townlean, but this appears to be heavily influcened by a suspicion on Pyxxy.

Current reads
Cait
Seanzie
Roxy
Belzy

Tutuu

baker
Porscha
Falcon
Fingersplints
Wilgy
HK

Kate
Nook


Pyxxy

I need to sort out how I feel about those middle people more.

HK low in rainbow

@Spacedaisy I scumread you because you had your worldview clearly shaked but provided no insight into where you would go next

now with your re-entrance you've just decided to OMGUS me for nonsense reasons

tf you mean "Pyxxy’s lack of comment regarding hk in all this feels ick to me."

Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here

tutuu don't take this the wrong way but I almost feel like this post TMIs hollowkatt as town

oooo that catchup was kinda fun

I would do a deal with y'all @Belzy and @tutuu

if you chop me today and I flip scum then you have to assume that hollowkatt is town for the rest of the game

no ifs ands or butts

hollowkatt is lhf town in my book

you tried to distance from tutuu's townread on you which I would find towny

except

apparently you have no thoughts about how you and tutuu both have me as dark red confirmed scum?

The first one is a condemnation of tutuu, any declaration of hk is dependent upon tutuu being bad. The second is a load of WIFOM where you are claiming wolf and there is nothing there to give us anything about what you really think about hk.

Further expressing how the interactions/suspicion of Pyxxy's posts are highly interactive with HK.

./break

Conclusion:
HK's interactions towards Daisy scream W petitioning Teammate. W HK doesn't need to make that post detailing their own wagon to W Daisy, teammate Daisy would have been better to hear it from someone else and use that as posture.

Daisy's side of the interactions feel like there's genuine solving towards HK's slot while taking into account the other postures and positions.

Based strictly on interaction Daisy is not townfirmed but far from PoE. HK's angle almost gets me there.

Based on previous reads and interaction together, tomfoolery would need to happen for Daisy to reenter my PoE.

[DrWilgy]

ebwop: HK's interactions towards Daisy scream W petitioning Non-Teammate. W HK doesn't need to make that post detailing their own wagon to W Daisy, teammate Daisy would have been better to hear it from someone else and use that as posture.