Ugh... now I gotta find someone else to miselim today....
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Ugh... now I gotta find someone else to miselim today....
Aye, and WSean works to replicate this .02% more often than not I think.Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:13 pmLike TSean to me comes in with some predetermined push that is really just a reaction test and a bunch of exclamations about how they've solved the game.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:03 pmI think T Sean does sometimes and this and W Sean attempts to replicate it more often than not.
Or your take is just wrong?
But why not just make those >2.5 opinions more clearly into like 4.5 opinions?Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:32 amWow big shocking take "Zenon is doing nothing" despite me providing far more than 2.5 opinions.
This is how players treat my slot to try to discredit me and my play on the regular. I really wish they would stop.
Just because I talked to Rem and enjoyed some non game related discussion and enjoyed myself in a mafia thread doesn't mean I've provided nothing there's plenty of reads in my iso so miss me with that
*Laughs in 32% wr.*
Disappointing... I was expecting you to ask me what I was thinking.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:55 amThat Lion looks like a bear but now I see it.Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:50 amIt;s not a bear, it;s a lion.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:49 amI don't know what the bear meansGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:34 am
Hug me I'm scared
It means the post has me thinking.
You have not been memorable to meRem wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:55 amIt happens so often to me that people forget to put me on their read lists tat I shouldn't be surprised, but it's always funny to seeGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:53 am Town
Cape90
Epi
Seanzie
Zenon
PoE
Tutuu
Wilgy
Falcon
Pyxx or whstever
Good night
Why do you refuse to ISO me?Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:01 amToo bad indeed. What about Epi? And apparently cape?Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:54 amToo badSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:52 amNah. I am a shining beacon of towniness, and if I decided to I could cause a wave of votes to occur where I want it to, so I hold the power here. I'd like to hear your answers, fresh and new.Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:49 amBoth answers are in my ISO, read me before making me questions that already have answers.
I need context. You can refuse or help me, if you think I'm town.
Laziness?Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:02 amHonestly Guillo is like probably town for this level of...I dunno the word I wanna useSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:01 amToo bad indeed. What about Epi? And apparently cape?Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:54 amToo badSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:52 amNah. I am a shining beacon of towniness, and if I decided to I could cause a wave of votes to occur where I want it to, so I hold the power here. I'd like to hear your answers, fresh and new.Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:49 amBoth answers are in my ISO, read me before making me questions that already have answers.
I need context. You can refuse or help me, if you think I'm town.
1. Cape established a copying pattern which I find mafia more likely to do, in addition cape hasn't shown town.
Why are you clearing Wilgy for? In my opinion he has high scum equity with Tutuu.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:15 amI get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:02 amAny names I should have on my radar that I dont?Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:53 amI just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.
Panic bad.
Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.
And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing
Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?
you have high scum equity with TutuuGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:22 pmWhy are you clearing Wilgy for? In my opinion he has high scum equity with Tutuu.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:15 amI get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:02 amAny names I should have on my radar that I dont?Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:53 amI just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.
Panic bad.
Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.
And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing
Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?
Not suprised im at the bottom of your list at all, I saw it coming.
Really? will I see why in my catch up?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:23 pmyou have high scum equity with TutuuGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:22 pmWhy are you clearing Wilgy for? In my opinion he has high scum equity with Tutuu.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:15 amI get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:02 amAny names I should have on my radar that I dont?Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:53 amI just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.
Panic bad.
Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.
And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing
Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?
yesGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:24 pmReally? will I see why in my catch up?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:23 pmyou have high scum equity with TutuuGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:22 pmWhy are you clearing Wilgy for? In my opinion he has high scum equity with Tutuu.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:15 amI get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:02 amAny names I should have on my radar that I dont?Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:53 amI just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.
Panic bad.
Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.
And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing
Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?
This is a towny observation
Case and pointGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:28 pmThis is a towny observation
Zenon/Tutu definitely not w/w based on this question.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:43 amWhat am I being sincere about?tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:25 ami dont think you can fake this level of sincerity as wolf. i know that you believe that you can fake everything as wolf but i personally dont. you've been playing like every town zenon game i've ever seen. if i get burned i get burned. until then its more logical to townread u since ur so similar
So you disagree?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:29 pmCase and pointGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:28 pmThis is a towny observation
No, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with TutuuGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:31 pmSo you disagree?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:29 pmCase and pointGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:28 pmThis is a towny observation
I'm not gonna do the challenge but this matches up with my line of thinking that i don't remember much about Rem in this game.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:44 amWould you mind attempting the Rem Challenge?Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:43 amWhat am I being sincere about?tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:25 ami dont think you can fake this level of sincerity as wolf. i know that you believe that you can fake everything as wolf but i personally dont. you've been playing like every town zenon game i've ever seen. if i get burned i get burned. until then its more logical to townread u since ur so similar
I don't get it. You don't disagree with the statement which means you agree with me and yet I'm scum with Tutuu even though you agree.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:32 pmNo, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with TutuuGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:31 pmSo you disagree?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:29 pmCase and pointGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:28 pmThis is a towny observation
There's no reason I should be this high on your list.Rem wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:43 am So here is my smash or pass list for day 1
DISCLAIMER: I have never been and will never be a good day 1 player as town because it's the faction that I dislike the most and my day 1 reads are based on tone and meta if it can be applied
Zenon Tier
SMASH:Towns
DrWilgy
Cape90
Both of these slots seem honest and have good tone for me
I mean, we can kiss I guess:Town leans
robyn
Guillotine
Seanzie
tone seems fine but they haven't done anything to stand out on my townieradar and with this I mean, nothing effort wise or to make a stand about what they think, just quewstions, some jokes or banter
Mid:Neutral
pyxxy
falcon45ca
I don't remember or felt anything from these slots that gave me an stand about them
PASS:Scummies
Epignosis
tutuu
Epi sounded the worst from their interaction with Cape, re-reading earlier today it COULD be villa on villa violence but if there's scum between this 2 I think it would be Epi
Tuttu, maybe comes weird too me because I tend to scum read too much effort or "coldness and strategy" in gameplay day 1 as scummy for people I haven't played with, but I'm going to sheep that zenon says this is not "normal tuttu" and keep my vote there for the time being
I am okay with any of the bottom 4 going over today
In times like this our capacity to retaliate must be and has to be massive to detter all forms of agression.
lock and load.
yesGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:34 pmI don't get it. You don't disagree with the statement which means you agree with me and yet I'm scum with Tutuu even though you agree.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:32 pmNo, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with TutuuGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:31 pmSo you disagree?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:29 pmCase and pointGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:28 pmThis is a towny observation
Is this a meta read?
Then you are either scum trying to scum paint me or ConfbiasedDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:34 pmyesGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:34 pmI don't get it. You don't disagree with the statement which means you agree with me and yet I'm scum with Tutuu even though you agree.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:32 pmNo, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with TutuuGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:31 pmSo you disagree?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:29 pmCase and point
mmm.... yes...Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:35 pmThen you are either scum trying to scum paint me or ConfbiasedDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:34 pmyesGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:34 pmI don't get it. You don't disagree with the statement which means you agree with me and yet I'm scum with Tutuu even though you agree.
Well this is newZenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:04 amMeh she doesn't make me feel uncomfortable I just don't like conflict with people I care about loltutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:56 am@robyn i trust that you have grown to be calmer and more accepting when things don't go as you've planned, and that you won't make our friend zenon feel uncomfortable if she chooses to be suspicious of youZenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:52 amAm I scared about calling Robyn out for wolfing? Yes kind of based on our history a little bit. But I would not let that impact the game if I thought she was wolfing. I don't but robyn can be a little bit of a blind spot for me.
He wants to see if you are reading ISOs even though he refuses to read mine. Hypocrisy is kinda townie.tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 ami asked you to iso people who have had like 40-50 game relevant posts. i warned you to ignore zenon and rem's posts
ur asking me to specifically look thru shitposting to confirm ur count of 10 game relevant points. this is unimportant sean. i believe u that u counted 10. there is no value in me putting in the effort to confirm there's 10 or if there's 2 more or less
Now do me nexttutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:15 ami find you being sincere about the situation revolving you and rem, defending yourself, your early tunnel of me was typical zenon, but then considering i could be town is the new redemption arc zenon, the progression feels believable to me. also as i said i dont find u to be some godlike wolf that can fake everything. i know how stressed you can get. i dont believe i saw this stress in this thread. essentially these words i just typed out could be summarized to "everything". if i'm mafia ur not going to catch me by cross-examining if i haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in the thread. idk if this answer is more satisfactory to u, but to me, this was just recounting stuff that i've said or implied, but i could be wrong i dunnoZenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 amWell see it is efficient because it helps me find out if you are being sincere or if you're making up a read to town read me because you have tmi
You consistently refusing to answer questions I'd frustrating because it makes it extremely difficult for me to find you.
You questioned Tutuu's sincerity read on you and then you throw out a sincerity read for Rem.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:26 am Well one the sincerity of her posting yesterday night when she said that she randed town wasn't excited saw me and got more excited to play. Her entrance and approach to the early game confirms to me that this was real especially how he first post when she realized I was in this game read.
So it is a vibe + meta read based on experiences between you two.Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:26 am 2. She explained that she was drunk on happiness and when I talked to her about that she once again expressed that this game seemed like it was going to be fun which felt sincere and pure to me.
3. She's vibing in thread with me but she is still providing game related content while doing that. This vibes with my understanding of how Rem plays as town as someone who doesn't like towning.
Rem is super towny if she was wolf I think she'd still vibe with me because we are friends but I think she'd be far more invested in the game because she loves wolfing and as far as I'm aware is proud of her wolf game. This is town "I don't give a fuck because I randed town" Rem who's gonna get wrongly pushed because people don't look deep enough at how she's playing.
can you explain why you don't find cape towny?
Tutuu/Rem not w/wtutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:50 am @Seanzie again, i trust u that u counted them properly. I couldnt care less how many there are. I never thought rem was town via her solving, again. Again, im just choosing to sheep zenon on her atm
I acknowledge that ur scumreading rem due to the low amount of solving post. To me, ur insistence of ppl counting them is ur way of convincing them to vote with u. But again - no, sorry. Im not putting in the effort for that. This isnt even game relevant effort to me. I told u i believe u multiple times. The reason why im not voting rem is coz i townread zenon and trusting her and im not finding u as town. If i was townreading u in this position id be sheeping u
Rem's seal of approvalZenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:26 am Let's talk about Rem both as I know her and like as I've experienced her.
I've played with Rem a number of times. The ones that always stick out to me are Mafia League, our first game together, The game that shan't be named and another one that I won't elaborate on.
I'm not fact checking myself but in all these games Rem was town.
In our first game together Rem was playing traditional mafia. Me and her got into it pretty badly. We did not agree on anything big sadness and we got into some pretty heated discussions. I think eventually we found each other but I've mostly forgotten what happened.
However in mafia league the game I remember the most was our 2nd game together where the first thing I did was asked Rem to mason with me before I even had a read there because I wanted to be friends xD but also I quickly realized she was town because she simply did not care about looking town and she did nor try to play the way town wanted her to play and she was getting hard pushed for it and I yelled at people that they were being dumb so did Schweppes he died eventually they wagoned Rem even as I told them she was obv town she self hammered flipped town. I lost my mason. Like if dis make you cry every time
In the game that shan't be named a similar trend as she didn't care to appear towny and was gimmicking I found her town some bullshit happened blah blah.
Anyways a trend for town Rem. She doesn't care about looking towny. She gets scum read for it unless you analyze her game play deeper. She doesn't like towning and expresses that. She sometimes plays as if she doesn't care about the game probably because she'd rather be wolf BUT even when she's doing that she will play the game she will put out reads. Sometimes you have to look for them. In the game that shan't be named she was gimmick posting but I was able to understand that she was calling certain content wolfy or towny even as others exclaimed she was doing nothing. She was in fact playing the game.
So. How did I arrive at a town read here.
Well one the sincerity of her posting yesterday night when she said that she randed town wasn't excited saw me and got more excited to play. Her entrance and approach to the early game confirms to me that this was real especially how he first post when she realized I was in this game read.
2. She explained that she was drunk on happiness and when I talked to her about that she once again expressed that this game seemed like it was going to be fun which felt sincere and pure to me.
3. She's vibing in thread with me but she is still providing game related content while doing that. This vibes with my understanding of how Rem plays as town as someone who doesn't like towning.
Rem is super towny if she was wolf I think she'd still vibe with me because we are friends but I think she'd be far more invested in the game because she loves wolfing and as far as I'm aware is proud of her wolf game. This is town "I don't give a fuck because I randed town" Rem who's gonna get wrongly pushed because people don't look deep enough at how she's playing.
right now it's just gut between the Zenon voters (other's being Epi and Tutuu, and if there was a wolf hunting for obvtown Zenon, it was likely Cape). I had that early read and haven't seen anything to shake that read.
I have a surprinsigly low amount of votes for a lock woof
Oh I wanna see who are you sheeping to vote me if this is trye considering you placed me in your scum pile and have motive to lead that wagon instead of sheeping it.tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:12 pmim not confident in pushing any scumread on my own atm, i dont have any, so im not advocating for anyone to listen to me, and im trying to support instead
are you gonna be able to meaningfully participate in the next 4h?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:54 pmright now it's just gut between the Zenon voters (other's being Epi and Tutuu, and if there was a wolf hunting for obvtown Zenon, it was likely Cape). I had that early read and haven't seen anything to shake that read.
Though I'll say that I'm still mid skim and that this is a 31% informed opinion.