JJJ's Bad First Dates Mafia [END]

[Seanzie]

Anyone who says anything right now is auto-cleareed.

Anything

Ugh... now I gotta find someone else to miselim today....

(for legal reasons this is a joke and the views presented here are not endorsed by Seanzie Inc or any of its subsidiaries)

[DrWilgy]

Good morning

[DrWilgy]

Who made 10 pages while I was asleep?

I blame Tutuu and Zenon blindly, but think it's about a 94.2% accurate guess.

[DrWilgy]

<rand town post from sean

I vibe with this. I expect W sean to fake a solvy entry.

Below rand imo "<" as in i find it scummy

I see. I no longer vibe with this. I think W Sean spout some silly shenanigans and at least tries to take some tempo with entry.

Town Sean does this too though?

I think T Sean does sometimes and this and W Sean attempts to replicate it more often than not.

Like TSean to me comes in with some predetermined push that is really just a reaction test and a bunch of exclamations about how they've solved the game.

Aye, and WSean works to replicate this .02% more often than not I think.

[DrWilgy]

sean townlean due to imo tmi'd by wolf. at least 1 out of {robyn, wilgy, falcon, cape}, potentially others too, zenon?. alternatively sean wolf and ??? villagers for not scumreading his scummy entry

Or your take is just wrong?

[DrWilgy]

I have approximately 20% of this games content lol

To come back to this, I've scanned all of the "content" and saw maybe 2.5 opinions.

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Wow big shocking take "Zenon is doing nothing" despite me providing far more than 2.5 opinions.

This is how players treat my slot to try to discredit me and my play on the regular. I really wish they would stop.

Just because I talked to Rem and enjoyed some non game related discussion and enjoyed myself in a mafia thread doesn't mean I've provided nothing there's plenty of reads in my iso so miss me with that

But why not just make those >2.5 opinions more clearly into like 4.5 opinions?

Do you think Epi is purposefully discrediting you or do you think it's more likely that it's easy to miss your opinions because of your hyperposty nature?

Your response is 11% more defensive than constructive I think.

[DrWilgy]

everyone should be encouraged to play their game to their comfort level where they excel the best

if everyone's playstyle was equally good at achieving a win, would you not agree that that would mean that everyone ought to have close to 50% winrate, and town and mafia should both win close to 50% of the time? since everything is balanced?

*Laughs in 32% wr.*

[DrWilgy]

Ok, it does look like Zenon makes their reads more easy to interpret following the Epi back and forth. Zenon can be Town.

[Guillotine]

sean should be held to a high standard. he needs to do more than wrongly scumread me, if he is town. if he doesn't improve what he's doing - he's mafia

Sean has literally outed entire wolf teams while playing like this why does he need to be held to a higher standard when he's had correct reads playing how he plays and has been night 1d for it in several games I've played with him?

I don't know what the bear means

Hug me I'm scared

It;s not a bear, it;s a lion.

It means the post has me thinking.

That Lion looks like a bear but now I see it.

Disappointing... I was expecting you to ask me what I was thinking.

[Guillotine]

Town

Cape90
Epi
Seanzie
Zenon

PoE

Tutuu
Wilgy
Falcon
Pyxx or whstever

Good night

It happens so often to me that people forget to put me on their read lists tat I shouldn't be surprised, but it's always funny to see

You have not been memorable to me

[Guillotine]

@Guillotine hi

What's up.

Why were you voting for me earlier?

What is your read on Tutuu?

Both answers are in my ISO, read me before making me questions that already have answers.

Nah. I am a shining beacon of towniness, and if I decided to I could cause a wave of votes to occur where I want it to, so I hold the power here. I'd like to hear your answers, fresh and new.

Too bad

Too bad indeed. What about Epi? And apparently cape?

I need context. You can refuse or help me, if you think I'm town.

Why do you refuse to ISO me?

I will post a detailed analysis soon

[Guillotine]

What's up.

Why were you voting for me earlier?

What is your read on Tutuu?

Both answers are in my ISO, read me before making me questions that already have answers.

Nah. I am a shining beacon of towniness, and if I decided to I could cause a wave of votes to occur where I want it to, so I hold the power here. I'd like to hear your answers, fresh and new.

Too bad

Too bad indeed. What about Epi? And apparently cape?

I need context. You can refuse or help me, if you think I'm town.

Honestly Guillo is like probably town for this level of...I dunno the word I wanna use

Laziness?

[DrWilgy]

Cape Wolf
Falcon Town
Robyn Wolf
Rem Town
Tutuu Town
Epi Town

Can you tell me how you arrived at reads 1, 2, 5 and 6?

1. Cape established a copying pattern which I find mafia more likely to do, in addition cape hasn't shown town.
2. Falcon hasn't gone to hide yet so he's town.
5. Tutuu is pushing content harder than a wombat with a number fetish, which is at least pro town + gut read.
6. W Epi feels stale. This Epi doesn't feel stale. Gut read mostly.

[Guillotine]

Vote Epi

I suggest Tutuu first. *checks own voting record* *squints* *asks self wtf*

Anyways what do you think of Falcon?

I just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.

Panic bad.

Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.

Any names I should have on my radar that I dont?

I get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?

Why are you clearing Wilgy for? In my opinion he has high scum equity with Tutuu.

[DrWilgy]

Vote Epi

I suggest Tutuu first. *checks own voting record* *squints* *asks self wtf*

Anyways what do you think of Falcon?

I just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.

Panic bad.

Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.

Any names I should have on my radar that I dont?

I get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?

Why are you clearing Wilgy for? In my opinion he has high scum equity with Tutuu.

you have high scum equity with Tutuu

[Guillotine]

tutuu
zenon
epi

wilgy
pyxxy
rem

guillo
falcon
cape
robyn
sean

Not suprised im at the bottom of your list at all, I saw it coming.

Nor for Sean or Cape

Why Falcon and Robyn though?

[Guillotine]

Vote Epi

I suggest Tutuu first. *checks own voting record* *squints* *asks self wtf*

Anyways what do you think of Falcon?

I just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.

Panic bad.

Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.

Any names I should have on my radar that I dont?

I get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?

Why are you clearing Wilgy for? In my opinion he has high scum equity with Tutuu.

you have high scum equity with Tutuu

Really? will I see why in my catch up?

[DrWilgy]

I suggest Tutuu first. *checks own voting record* *squints* *asks self wtf*

Anyways what do you think of Falcon?

I just want wagon balance and kinda am panicking that tutuu is just playing weird for whatever reason and is town.

Panic bad.

Anyways I can't read falcon for shit. Seems like falcon. I've seen falcon wolf once and he kinda try harded I dunno if that's normal or not.

Any names I should have on my radar that I dont?

I get anxious I'm clearing Wilgy too easily...

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

Wanna check into those and lemme no what you see?

Why are you clearing Wilgy for? In my opinion he has high scum equity with Tutuu.

you have high scum equity with Tutuu

Really? will I see why in my catch up?

yes

[Guillotine]

tutuu
zenon
epi

wilgy
pyxxy
rem

guillo
falcon
cape
robyn
sean

I'm extremely surprised I'm your top town

This is a towny reaction. A wolf would just take it.

[Guillotine]

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

this + you saying that you always townread robyn early makes me wary that you're afraid to allow yourself to scumread her due to potential lashback. if that happens to be the case - worry not. i will keep her in check

This is a towny observation

[DrWilgy]

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

this + you saying that you always townread robyn early makes me wary that you're afraid to allow yourself to scumread her due to potential lashback. if that happens to be the case - worry not. i will keep her in check

This is a towny observation

Case and point

[robyn]

welp time to start playing this game

[Guillotine]

tutuu
zenon
epi

wilgy
pyxxy
rem

guillo
falcon
cape
robyn
sean

I'm extremely surprised I'm your top town

i dont think you can fake this level of sincerity as wolf. i know that you believe that you can fake everything as wolf but i personally dont. you've been playing like every town zenon game i've ever seen. if i get burned i get burned. until then its more logical to townread u since ur so similar

What am I being sincere about?

Zenon/Tutu definitely not w/w based on this question.

[Guillotine]

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

this + you saying that you always townread robyn early makes me wary that you're afraid to allow yourself to scumread her due to potential lashback. if that happens to be the case - worry not. i will keep her in check

This is a towny observation

Case and point

So you disagree?

[DrWilgy]

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

this + you saying that you always townread robyn early makes me wary that you're afraid to allow yourself to scumread her due to potential lashback. if that happens to be the case - worry not. i will keep her in check

This is a towny observation

Case and point

So you disagree?

No, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with Tutuu

[Guillotine]

tutuu
zenon
epi

wilgy
pyxxy
rem

guillo
falcon
cape
robyn
sean

I'm extremely surprised I'm your top town

i dont think you can fake this level of sincerity as wolf. i know that you believe that you can fake everything as wolf but i personally dont. you've been playing like every town zenon game i've ever seen. if i get burned i get burned. until then its more logical to townread u since ur so similar

What am I being sincere about?

Would you mind attempting the Rem Challenge?

I'm not gonna do the challenge but this matches up with my line of thinking that i don't remember much about Rem in this game.

[Guillotine]

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

this + you saying that you always townread robyn early makes me wary that you're afraid to allow yourself to scumread her due to potential lashback. if that happens to be the case - worry not. i will keep her in check

This is a towny observation

Case and point

So you disagree?

No, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with Tutuu

I don't get it. You don't disagree with the statement which means you agree with me and yet I'm scum with Tutuu even though you agree.

[DrWilgy]

So here is my smash or pass list for day 1

DISCLAIMER: I have never been and will never be a good day 1 player as town because it's the faction that I dislike the most and my day 1 reads are based on tone and meta if it can be applied

Zenon Tier

SMASH:Towns
DrWilgy
Cape90

Both of these slots seem honest and have good tone for me

I mean, we can kiss I guess:Town leans
robyn
Guillotine
Seanzie

tone seems fine but they haven't done anything to stand out on my townieradar and with this I mean, nothing effort wise or to make a stand about what they think, just quewstions, some jokes or banter

Mid:Neutral
pyxxy
falcon45ca

I don't remember or felt anything from these slots that gave me an stand about them

PASS:Scummies
Epignosis
tutuu

Epi sounded the worst from their interaction with Cape, re-reading earlier today it COULD be villa on villa violence but if there's scum between this 2 I think it would be Epi

Tuttu, maybe comes weird too me because I tend to scum read too much effort or "coldness and strategy" in gameplay day 1 as scummy for people I haven't played with, but I'm going to sheep that zenon says this is not "normal tuttu" and keep my vote there for the time being

I am okay with any of the bottom 4 going over today



In times like this our capacity to retaliate must be and has to be massive to detter all forms of agression.

lock and load.

There's no reason I should be this high on your list.

I shall not be in thy pocket 18.7% Wolf!

[DrWilgy]

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

this + you saying that you always townread robyn early makes me wary that you're afraid to allow yourself to scumread her due to potential lashback. if that happens to be the case - worry not. i will keep her in check

This is a towny observation

Case and point

So you disagree?

No, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with Tutuu

I don't get it. You don't disagree with the statement which means you agree with me and yet I'm scum with Tutuu even though you agree.

yes

[Guillotine]

I challenged Epi to find four posts with content from Zenon, and he refeused.

I decided to do a similar exercise myself with Rem. I found ~10 posts with content. Out of 110. Some of the ~10 I found were a stretch.

But does that make her a wolf?

I think it's >rand towny for Rem to be vibing in thread with me and enjoying herself instead of try harding content.

Is this a meta read?

[Guillotine]

this + you saying that you always townread robyn early makes me wary that you're afraid to allow yourself to scumread her due to potential lashback. if that happens to be the case - worry not. i will keep her in check

This is a towny observation

Case and point

So you disagree?

No, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with Tutuu

I don't get it. You don't disagree with the statement which means you agree with me and yet I'm scum with Tutuu even though you agree.

yes

Then you are either scum trying to scum paint me or Confbiased

[DrWilgy]

This is a towny observation

Case and point

So you disagree?

No, but this is a perfect example of your scum equity with Tutuu

I don't get it. You don't disagree with the statement which means you agree with me and yet I'm scum with Tutuu even though you agree.

yes

Then you are either scum trying to scum paint me or Confbiased

mmm.... yes...

[Guillotine]

And Robyn is a threat that I likely won't find if she is wolfing

this + you saying that you always townread robyn early makes me wary that you're afraid to allow yourself to scumread her due to potential lashback. if that happens to be the case - worry not. i will keep her in check

Am I scared about calling Robyn out for wolfing? Yes kind of based on our history a little bit. But I would not let that impact the game if I thought she was wolfing. I don't but robyn can be a little bit of a blind spot for me.

@robyn i trust that you have grown to be calmer and more accepting when things don't go as you've planned, and that you won't make our friend zenon feel uncomfortable if she chooses to be suspicious of you

Meh she doesn't make me feel uncomfortable I just don't like conflict with people I care about lol

Well this is new

[Guillotine]

Would you mind attempting the Rem Challenge?

yes, sorry. i want to win, but not at the cost of my sanity

You earlier asked me to run multiple D1 ISOs to get caught up. I'm asking for one. I don't want anyone to sacrifice their mental health, but I don't think my ask does that.

i asked you to iso people who have had like 40-50 game relevant posts. i warned you to ignore zenon and rem's posts

ur asking me to specifically look thru shitposting to confirm ur count of 10 game relevant points. this is unimportant sean. i believe u that u counted 10. there is no value in me putting in the effort to confirm there's 10 or if there's 2 more or less

He wants to see if you are reading ISOs even though he refuses to read mine. Hypocrisy is kinda townie.

[Guillotine]

What am I being sincere about?

everything

I need specifics

everything. sorry, im not interested in putting in more effort for this specific line. i dont think that the effort-to-results ratio is efficient for this thing

Well see it is efficient because it helps me find out if you are being sincere or if you're making up a read to town read me because you have tmi

You consistently refusing to answer questions I'd frustrating because it makes it extremely difficult for me to find you.

i find you being sincere about the situation revolving you and rem, defending yourself, your early tunnel of me was typical zenon, but then considering i could be town is the new redemption arc zenon, the progression feels believable to me. also as i said i dont find u to be some godlike wolf that can fake everything. i know how stressed you can get. i dont believe i saw this stress in this thread. essentially these words i just typed out could be summarized to "everything". if i'm mafia ur not going to catch me by cross-examining if i haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in the thread. idk if this answer is more satisfactory to u, but to me, this was just recounting stuff that i've said or implied, but i could be wrong i dunno

Now do me next

[Guillotine]

Well one the sincerity of her posting yesterday night when she said that she randed town wasn't excited saw me and got more excited to play. Her entrance and approach to the early game confirms to me that this was real especially how he first post when she realized I was in this game read.

You questioned Tutuu's sincerity read on you and then you throw out a sincerity read for Rem.

How do you measure sincerity then?

[DrWilgy]

I am at page 16 and I'm 98% sure Zenon is town here.

Zenon voters should be beat with a stick.

Though two of the Zenon voters are towny.

Cape is not a towny Zenon voter.

I will petition for my Cape wagon to return!

[Guillotine]

2. She explained that she was drunk on happiness and when I talked to her about that she once again expressed that this game seemed like it was going to be fun which felt sincere and pure to me.

3. She's vibing in thread with me but she is still providing game related content while doing that. This vibes with my understanding of how Rem plays as town as someone who doesn't like towning.

Rem is super towny if she was wolf I think she'd still vibe with me because we are friends but I think she'd be far more invested in the game because she loves wolfing and as far as I'm aware is proud of her wolf game. This is town "I don't give a fuck because I randed town" Rem who's gonna get wrongly pushed because people don't look deep enough at how she's playing.

So it is a vibe + meta read based on experiences between you two.

Wouldn't Rem know this if they were a wolf to pocket you?

I personally don't believe in vibes and people tend to get pocketed by those who are nice to them.

I will consider the meta that they are not comfortable when they rand scum.

[robyn]

cape was pressured by epi at the start and others and had a 5 person wagon riding on him at the start of the day. i don't think he or anyone else expected him to get chopped and he didn't go and try to appear towny out of his way to escape the votes.

the rest of his iso is mostly defensive but as of now i like what i see. i don't see cape being unnecessarily shifty and i don't see any awkward posts/comments. he went and made his analytical posts about others and i didn't see anything wrong. he's a decently strong townread i think but i wouldn’t bet the game on it

[robyn]

I am at page 16 and I'm 98% sure Zenon is town here.

Zenon voters should be beat with a stick.

Though two of the Zenon voters are towny.

Cape is not a towny Zenon voter.

I will petition for my Cape wagon to return!

can you explain why you don't find cape towny?

[robyn]

zenon has 245 posts what the fuck

[Guillotine]

@Seanzie again, i trust u that u counted them properly. I couldnt care less how many there are. I never thought rem was town via her solving, again. Again, im just choosing to sheep zenon on her atm

I acknowledge that ur scumreading rem due to the low amount of solving post. To me, ur insistence of ppl counting them is ur way of convincing them to vote with u. But again - no, sorry. Im not putting in the effort for that. This isnt even game relevant effort to me. I told u i believe u multiple times. The reason why im not voting rem is coz i townread zenon and trusting her and im not finding u as town. If i was townreading u in this position id be sheeping u

Tutuu/Rem not w/w

I don't think a wolf loudly shows reluctancy to read another wolf and risk getting associated as a result.

If Tutuu is scum here this game is gonna be easy.

[Rem]

Let's talk about Rem both as I know her and like as I've experienced her.

I've played with Rem a number of times. The ones that always stick out to me are Mafia League, our first game together, The game that shan't be named and another one that I won't elaborate on.

I'm not fact checking myself but in all these games Rem was town.

In our first game together Rem was playing traditional mafia. Me and her got into it pretty badly. We did not agree on anything big sadness and we got into some pretty heated discussions. I think eventually we found each other but I've mostly forgotten what happened.

However in mafia league the game I remember the most was our 2nd game together where the first thing I did was asked Rem to mason with me before I even had a read there because I wanted to be friends xD but also I quickly realized she was town because she simply did not care about looking town and she did nor try to play the way town wanted her to play and she was getting hard pushed for it and I yelled at people that they were being dumb so did Schweppes he died eventually they wagoned Rem even as I told them she was obv town she self hammered flipped town. I lost my mason. Like if dis make you cry every time

In the game that shan't be named a similar trend as she didn't care to appear towny and was gimmicking I found her town some bullshit happened blah blah.

Anyways a trend for town Rem. She doesn't care about looking towny. She gets scum read for it unless you analyze her game play deeper. She doesn't like towning and expresses that. She sometimes plays as if she doesn't care about the game probably because she'd rather be wolf BUT even when she's doing that she will play the game she will put out reads. Sometimes you have to look for them. In the game that shan't be named she was gimmick posting but I was able to understand that she was calling certain content wolfy or towny even as others exclaimed she was doing nothing. She was in fact playing the game.

So. How did I arrive at a town read here.

Well one the sincerity of her posting yesterday night when she said that she randed town wasn't excited saw me and got more excited to play. Her entrance and approach to the early game confirms to me that this was real especially how he first post when she realized I was in this game read.

2. She explained that she was drunk on happiness and when I talked to her about that she once again expressed that this game seemed like it was going to be fun which felt sincere and pure to me.

3. She's vibing in thread with me but she is still providing game related content while doing that. This vibes with my understanding of how Rem plays as town as someone who doesn't like towning.

Rem is super towny if she was wolf I think she'd still vibe with me because we are friends but I think she'd be far more invested in the game because she loves wolfing and as far as I'm aware is proud of her wolf game. This is town "I don't give a fuck because I randed town" Rem who's gonna get wrongly pushed because people don't look deep enough at how she's playing.

Rem's seal of approval

I am having fun this game which is weird for me as town, i'm chilling and putting reads, i won't try hard unless i feel like it which is extremely accurate in this piece by piece explanation of Rem's gamplay

[DrWilgy]

I am at page 16 and I'm 98% sure Zenon is town here.

Zenon voters should be beat with a stick.

Though two of the Zenon voters are towny.

Cape is not a towny Zenon voter.

I will petition for my Cape wagon to return!

can you explain why you don't find cape towny?

right now it's just gut between the Zenon voters (other's being Epi and Tutuu, and if there was a wolf hunting for obvtown Zenon, it was likely Cape). I had that early read and haven't seen anything to shake that read.

Though I'll say that I'm still mid skim and that this is a 31% informed opinion.

[DrWilgy]

Those that I find wolfy following my skim I'll probably ISO again.

[Guillotine]

I have a concern with tutuu.

Spoiler: show

zenon rem red due to talking to each other so much itt and not paying too much attention to their surroundings early d1
falcon sean due to 428

----

my poor chart sitting here all empty

When did you get into the business of making charts like this and doing so this early?

you are concerned about that?

I will say I have only done it once (sort of, but it was a joke) but I was town when I did it

[Rem]

at some point i whould gatter enough not w/w reads from you to just lock town me lmao

u currently have 3 so good for u

alright Rem is lock wolf

I have a surprinsigly low amount of votes for a lock woof

So i'll take this as a joke

[Guillotine]

tutuu, why are you voting for Seanzie?

i saw you voting him

On a related subject though, how does this help you win more?

working with your townreads is good. trying to be a solo hero rarely works

but what if you are right and they are wrong?

im not confident in pushing any scumread on my own atm, i dont have any, so im not advocating for anyone to listen to me, and im trying to support instead

Oh I wanna see who are you sheeping to vote me if this is trye considering you placed me in your scum pile and have motive to lead that wagon instead of sheeping it.

[robyn]

I am at page 16 and I'm 98% sure Zenon is town here.

Zenon voters should be beat with a stick.

Though two of the Zenon voters are towny.

Cape is not a towny Zenon voter.

I will petition for my Cape wagon to return!

can you explain why you don't find cape towny?

right now it's just gut between the Zenon voters (other's being Epi and Tutuu, and if there was a wolf hunting for obvtown Zenon, it was likely Cape). I had that early read and haven't seen anything to shake that read.

Though I'll say that I'm still mid skim and that this is a 31% informed opinion.

are you gonna be able to meaningfully participate in the next 4h?

[robyn]

Cape Wolf
Falcon Town
Robyn Wolf
Rem Town
Tutuu Town
Epi Town

do you remember why you called me a wolf here?