The Emperor's Soul [D5]

[Scotty]

Final readlist:

Town:
Marmot

Townlean:
SVS
falcon
nutella

Scumlean:
Rico
Syn

Think the vote today should be between:
Epi
Thunal

I really do feel like one or both of those are a hit.

K, if I’m still alive, be back Saturday

[Thunal33]

I'll focus on clearing as many people as I can and coming to a consensus vote pool.

How’s that ‘clearing’ coming?

i am back to thunal/scotty

by the lord ruler the game is solved

Why did you suspect Scotty here?

One of thunal’s random questions. Syn answered but Thunal didn’t seem to do anything with his answer.

I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.

Hmmmm
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Yo, check this progression:

Hmmmm

Yeah never mind it isn't scotty


Why don't you think I believe my reads scotty?

Slightly good look for Marmot imo.

I don't have a scumread and it's frustrating. I feel like it would be a waste to just chop the 1 poster today. I definitely don't want to chop in Scotty, nutella, Syn, Seanzie, or SVS.

In case there's any contention, I'd rather Seanzie die than Marmot. Let's hope this is right.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

That’s the progression of someone that casts a wide net and doesn’t actually care who goes.
Marmot slightly good look > will not vote 5 names including Seanzie > voting Seanzie over marmot.

I think she forgot who she actually suspected.

I absolutely loathe this post.

At this point we were trying to find a consensus since we had a lot of spread locked votes. If you read other peoples posts from this time frame, everyone in the thread (except Nutella who was kinda mocking us, lol) we ALL were doing this. The people trying to find someone we all could agree on vs the people who wanted to default to Rico.

I kinda pushed her to vote Sean after he had gotten a third vote. He was a null for me.

This is all about how EOD went and zero about progression. Thinal, along with Dizzy, we’re considering Rico.

This usage of what happened at EOD to somehow make a “poor progression” argument on the person least responsible for Sean’s yeet is disingenuous in the extreme to my POV.

I can’t even say how much I hate this.

I felt badly about this but couldn't fully explain why other than yes, I'm town and I was struggling to find a scumread.

[Thunal33]

Something that also pinged me about Scotty isn't just what SVS said about Scotty saying it was hard to believe that LC shielded me, it's also that Scotty himself had a period of time when he was unsure on me. He said I was "straight down the middle" in a readslist he made, so why would it be so unbelievable for LC to townread me without me being a PR?

[Thunal33]

I also immediately disregarded Dizzy as the likely mark because Lime Coke put dizzy at the top of the list.

No one does that, it’s too obvious.






…

I am soooooo close to snapvoting you my dude. Your retro-perspectives on this have been tooooo convenient.

I don’t know if you’re just backreading or what but there is nothing retrospective here. I’ve already been through all of this with Thunal

It's all retrospective editing of your D1 perspective.

You come into the day saying "I thought the sealer was Thunal."

You are prodded on this point and your inconsistent treatment of Dizzy.

You say you didn't realize Lime was shielding Dizzy as much when he was like pretty inarguably shielding Dizzy the most.

You then say you thought that made Dizzy "too obvious" to be the sealer.

You're making shit up.

ok, wow

It’s not retrospective for me to say this in the slightest. I think I said in plainest ‘not giving it away’ terms that I wasn’t going to vote thunal necuase of LC shielding her.

And I’ve already said this three times and I’m not going to keep repeating myself here but the dichotomy of me thinking it was thunal and not dizzy was because I was hyoertunneled on thunal.

Then dizzy being at the top. PF COURSE I’m not gonna say all of this in thread because I want to PROTECT THE PR who I thought was thunal.

Like I feel like I’m getting indicted on things I thought that were best not to be said in thread, so it’s a lose lose

I believe you thought I was a PR. I also believe that's easier to think of as a wolf.

[Syn]

look ma I'm #1

I have no opposition to the falcon case

Ah, now this is what wolfy posts look like...sheeping Marmot w/o questioning, or even previously expressing SR on my slot previously...have you?




Am I wolf cuz of the reasons Marmot pointed out? Do you have any thoughts of your own you'd like to add?

no thoughts head empty

[Thunal33]

@Epignosis if you are town, which I am not inclined to believe at the moment: I encourage you to fully read my exchange with Scotty. I encourage you to make any effort to see town POV in my posts, rather than cherrypicking what you dislike and dipping. I encourage you to broaden your scope of engagement with the topics of discussion in the thread. I encourage you to provide thoughts on other players and on more than a surface level. What I've seen from you today is uninspiring and looks like a mafia member finding a single gripe to poke at while ignoring the full tapestry of interactions and not stopping to think about how townies actually think. Use your theory of mind. If you're actually town, show that you care because it certainly doesn't look like you do.

I'm very confident Nutella is town.

My reaction was "is that all he has?" for his case on you, which reminds me a bit of how I tried to be confident on Logic in my champs qualifier (as wolf) but had a hard time actually pulling convincing evidence.

[Syn]

alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

I'm once again feeling like everyone else is crazy for not tunneling Scotty right now. And this time I can't be proven wrong with a pr claim.

Weren’t you tunneling LC?
I think your reads have just been…bad this game?

And now I have about 30 min to determine if you are actually believing what you’re saying and I just……..don’t. Based on your track record thus far

Good news here is if I survive the day, I’m not dying tonite, so I can have more time to win this for town on d3.
Bad news here is I am becoming an easy vote and if I don’t immediately get voted, I’m going to be a likely end of day wagon where people can cling to as a backup and when I go over my voters can rest on their laurels by going ‘well, he wasn’t acting towny’ and solve nothing.

I think I’m actually doing a great job as town. Even if I’m wrong about thunal- which I fully acknowledge could be the case, since I apparently am the ONLY one that thinks this- I’m clearly ruffling some feathers

yucky posts milord

[Syn]

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

look ma I'm #1 (again!)

[Syn]

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

Wack.


I'd put it in the exact opposite order. I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

[Syn]

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

Wack.


I'd put it in the exact opposite order. I think it's more likely for me to have misread my PM than for Syn to be a wolf here.

I’m a bit closer to the sun, as it were. He has already said he thinks thunal and I are different alignments. But he’s not committing to a read there. I find that….hedgy and weird.

I actively asked for thunal, not you, to be the counterwagon to epi lol

but yeah I don't know for certain who is which alignment. and I feel like I've been forward about my position on you two as a duo. you can consider it weird but hedgy at least does not seem correct

[Syn]

I'm replying to someone postcapped and in the mountains smh

[Syn]

also yes thunal I'm ignoring you asking for my case on you

[S~V~S]

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

I’m not sussing you, I think you’re probably town. I also think you took stuff out of context because you’re tunneling. Just like you did with me in Dont Starve; and that got you yeeted day one.

I mainly want you to reassess your position in context.

Especially since you are now in read only status.

Think about what I’m trying to point out to you. That’s all I ask.

[Syn]

developing a low-level paranoia that epi is a hapless townie being sacrificed

too much consensus

[Syn]

I guess I can be patient and wait for him to post more and see what happens

[Thunal33]

Falcon feels different from any game I've seen him in before. I don't think him saying I'm town because he doesn't have an opinion on me is bad because I'm more likely to be town at random like he said. It reminds me of the Telemundo thing on MU. He feels completely opposite to me in his takes and I'm a little paranoid of him going after Syn.

[Thunal33]

nutella
SVS

Marmot
Syn

Rico
Falcon

Epi
Scotty

[Thunal33]

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

I’m not sussing you, I think you’re probably town. I also think you took stuff out of context because you’re tunneling. Just like you did with me in Dont Starve; and that got you yeeted day one.

I mainly want you to reassess your position in context.

Especially since you are now in read only status.

Think about what I’m trying to point out to you. That’s all I ask.

Can you explain why you think Scotty is town?

[S~V~S]

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

I’m not sussing you, I think you’re probably town. I also think you took stuff out of context because you’re tunneling. Just like you did with me in Dont Starve; and that got you yeeted day one.

I mainly want you to reassess your position in context.

Especially since you are now in read only status.

Think about what I’m trying to point out to you. That’s all I ask.

Can you explain why you think Scotty is town?

Same reasons I thought so yesterday, plus he tunneled me exactly like this, right down to the quasi hysterical tone,in another game where he was town. He’s sussed you fairly continuously since mid day one, only taking a break after LCs reads list. He comes into today calling for your head. What possible benefit would a baddie get from acting like that?

I’ve seen this before, up close and personal.

My only caveat is that since I blasted him this AM I only really replied to/read recent posts and haven’t read back on everything he has said today (at one point I had like 6 notifications from him :O ), so if he has said or done something exceptionally wolfy today I haven’t seen it yet

But as of this AM I thought he was prolly just town with a very bad take on EOD day one and how it went down.

[falcon45ca]

Falcon feels different from any game I've seen him in before. I don't think him saying I'm town because he doesn't have an opinion on me is bad because I'm more likely to be town at random like he said. It reminds me of the Telemundo thing on MU. He feels completely opposite to me in his takes and I'm a little paranoid of him going after Syn.

What games of mine are you referencing for this vibe read? Telemundo?





I have no memory of Telemundo, help a fella out

[falcon45ca]

look ma I'm #1

I have no opposition to the falcon case

Ah, now this is what wolfy posts look like...sheeping Marmot w/o questioning, or even previously expressing SR on my slot previously...have you?




Am I wolf cuz of the reasons Marmot pointed out? Do you have any thoughts of your own you'd like to add?

no thoughts head empty

Sounds good


[VOTE: syn] aubergine

[nutella]

........pls..........

[Syn]

lol

[Syn]

funny but also we really can't afford another wagon after this point

so I guess the choice is between epi, thunal, and me

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Epi (1) - Marmot
Thunal (1) - Scotty
Syn (1) - Falcon

Hasn't voted: Epi, Nutella, Rico, SVS, Syn, Thunal

[Syn]

thunal and epi can stack on me and we can't expect rico to either a) appear or b) make an informed vote

so uh, hey nutella and SVS

how's it going

I'm going to pretend neither of you would ever consider voting me today and instead ask who you'd prefer between epi and thunal

[Syn]

I admit to a paranoia that everyone being okay with Epi's chop is potentially problematic, but I also do not town-read him myself, so I am not sure how that paranoia applies, or if it does at all

thunal I have largely suspected from near the beginning of the game, and that has really only grown from there. I do still hold that she and scotty are opposites. I do still hold that I independently scum-read both. The logic of my thunal case for going over first today is also flimsy upon dissection: I strongly felt that dizzy was the other PR after LC outed, and my gut told me that thunal also felt this... because she was the wolf in the veto list. this logic falls apart when you consider that clocking dizzy takes less than 5 minutes of looking at LC's ISO, and that's still true even if the wolf team is largely AFK. so thunal could very well be town, and it required no TMI to pick the right target. but I still can't shake the gut read.

coincidentally, I agree with scotty's case where thunal's posting seems overly choreographed, making the right sounds but not sticking the landing. a part of me vaguely recalls this being a part of thunal's gameplay (if my shaky mafia memory of 1+ year ago is in any way robust), a part of me thinks it's wolfy and inauthentic. yet the inauthenticity argument also applies to scotty, who I also think hasn't been overly sincere in his posting. you see the dilemma. especially with scotty jumping on the thunal push on D1 after I pressured her, and then again here on D2, this time with a vote to ensure that she is likely the wagon over him

[Syn]

one thing that gives me pause with thunal is that she has been very... conciliatory with me throughout all this

i even flat out said I was ignoring her and the response was nothing

is this because she's focused on solving, because she's town, or because she hopes being a little distant from me will get me to focus more on scotty/elsewhere, and then if she eventually flips red, it'll look like I am spewed her partner? (this is a galaxy brain take admittedly)

but then she also has invested most of her energy into the quasi thunderdome with scotty, which is a lightning rod for attention. is that Solving with a capital S?

[nutella]

I'm 99% voting for epi

[nutella]

idk. i could probably be convinced on thunal, i don't hate your points there, but feels more like a coin flip for me whereas i have a hard time seeing epi as town unless he does something different

[S~V~S]

GTH this second I’d vote Epi over Thunal or Scotty, but I need a fresh read from this AM.

But Dizzys read of Thunal carries quite a bit of weight for me, and my own of her looking more like Sesame St to me than Se7en.

[Syn]

I'll give you time. I don't mean to rush you.

(I don't know what the Sesame/Se7en comparison means. Based on context, I'm assuming it means you think she looks like her town self?)

[Thunal33]

Of the people currently sussing me, I’d rank them as follows from wolfiest > not wolfiest:
Syn> nutella> svs> marmot

I’m not sussing you, I think you’re probably town. I also think you took stuff out of context because you’re tunneling. Just like you did with me in Dont Starve; and that got you yeeted day one.

I mainly want you to reassess your position in context.

Especially since you are now in read only status.

Think about what I’m trying to point out to you. That’s all I ask.

Can you explain why you think Scotty is town?

Same reasons I thought so yesterday, plus he tunneled me exactly like this, right down to the quasi hysterical tone,in another game where he was town. He’s sussed you fairly continuously since mid day one, only taking a break after LCs reads list. He comes into today calling for your head. What possible benefit would a baddie get from acting like that?

I’ve seen this before, up close and personal.

My only caveat is that since I blasted him this AM I only really replied to/read recent posts and haven’t read back on everything he has said today (at one point I had like 6 notifications from him :O ), so if he has said or done something exceptionally wolfy today I haven’t seen it yet

But as of this AM I thought he was prolly just town with a very bad take on EOD day one and how it went down.

The meta point is good to know anyway. Can you link the game? I've seen plenty of wolves tunnel people, and they usually do it when they sense the gamestate is going to be bad for them. If someone like Epi is Scotty's partner, I could easily see him starting the day with a tunnel to try to shake things up.

[Thunal33]

Falcon feels different from any game I've seen him in before. I don't think him saying I'm town because he doesn't have an opinion on me is bad because I'm more likely to be town at random like he said. It reminds me of the Telemundo thing on MU. He feels completely opposite to me in his takes and I'm a little paranoid of him going after Syn.

What games of mine are you referencing for this vibe read? Telemundo?





I have no memory of Telemundo, help a fella out

It's a meme on MU where someone townread a nonexistent player named Telemundo and a lot of people wolfread them but they were town who just GTH read Telemundo town because it's above random for someone to be town.

[S~V~S]

I'll give you time. I don't mean to rush you.

(I don't know what the Sesame/Se7en comparison means. Based on context, I'm assuming it means you think she looks like her town self?)

Yes she was town (as was I) in Sesame with some hyped false suspish on her as opposed to Seven where she was my bad partner.

I would never call her polarized, but I think there are tonal differences, and she was smoother in Seven.

Like I said I have to read todays thread tonight and read the cases in depth rather than skimming.

[Thunal33]

one thing that gives me pause with thunal is that she has been very... conciliatory with me throughout all this

i even flat out said I was ignoring her and the response was nothing

is this because she's focused on solving, because she's town, or because she hopes being a little distant from me will get me to focus more on scotty/elsewhere, and then if she eventually flips red, it'll look like I am spewed her partner? (this is a galaxy brain take admittedly)

but then she also has invested most of her energy into the quasi thunderdome with scotty, which is a lightning rod for attention. is that Solving with a capital S?

Honestly, it's because I think you're town and I've consistently felt like you believe what you're saying. I also thought you being on the sidelines and making a difference check was not partner behavior with Scotty.

[Thunal33]

I admit to a paranoia that everyone being okay with Epi's chop is potentially problematic, but I also do not town-read him myself, so I am not sure how that paranoia applies, or if it does at all

thunal I have largely suspected from near the beginning of the game, and that has really only grown from there. I do still hold that she and scotty are opposites. I do still hold that I independently scum-read both. The logic of my thunal case for going over first today is also flimsy upon dissection: I strongly felt that dizzy was the other PR after LC outed, and my gut told me that thunal also felt this... because she was the wolf in the veto list. this logic falls apart when you consider that clocking dizzy takes less than 5 minutes of looking at LC's ISO, and that's still true even if the wolf team is largely AFK. so thunal could very well be town, and it required no TMI to pick the right target. but I still can't shake the gut read.

coincidentally, I agree with scotty's case where thunal's posting seems overly choreographed, making the right sounds but not sticking the landing. a part of me vaguely recalls this being a part of thunal's gameplay (if my shaky mafia memory of 1+ year ago is in any way robust), a part of me thinks it's wolfy and inauthentic. yet the inauthenticity argument also applies to scotty, who I also think hasn't been overly sincere in his posting. you see the dilemma. especially with scotty jumping on the thunal push on D1 after I pressured her, and then again here on D2, this time with a vote to ensure that she is likely the wagon over him

You do realize that the exact same logic also applies to me knowing I'm VT in the veto list? I don't have a lot to respond to something like this other than that I'm town and I think my posting shows an organic progression where I don't know the mafia rather than a calculated, fake one.

[DrWilgy]

Near the halfway of D2. I currently have the following poll:
Epignosis
Voters: Marmot

Syn
Voters: Falcon

Thunal
Voters Scotty

Thank you for working with the struggles of having a not truly locked Poll. You have 25 hours.

[Thunal33]

I still have a hard time believing Scotty tunneled me so hard that he had a hard time seeing how LC could townread me, but said I was down the middle in his reads himself earlier. I reviewed early d2 to see if I might be wrong on him but Nutella and SVS did express some sus on Epi so I could see Scotty feeling the need to double down on tunneling me. His tunnel d1 wasn't such a risky move that a wolf wouldn't do it imo. If I flipped d1 I think it wouldn't be hard for him to go "my bad, I was just wrong" and still get townreads.

[Thunal33]

I don't think Falcon should have voted for Syn, but I don't really see it as wolfy and I see it as unpaired with Epi.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Let's roll.

Well okay. Shit. I am a moron.

Why do I feel like these two thoughts don’t go together?

You pull Thunal out your ass, who has been talked about by several people as a scum read, so either you have been reading the thread to come to this vote or you’ve thrown your bowling ball straight down the middle while blindfolded.

Then you claim not to have read the rules. Your first post is responding to ????? the voices in your head ????? about the post limit.

I dunno, your whole entrance makes me feel you’re not being sincere

I townread this post in the moment but it might be partnered. I think w!Scotty would have a harder time thinking of this being fake if it's t!Epi, but if it actually were fake and he knew it then it makes sense why he would think of it.

[S~V~S]

OK, so I'm gonna start where I left off this AM, I won't poke Scotty anymore although something tells me I'll prolly want to. He can't (or shouldn't) answer and is afk anyhow, right?

In any case, I may appear to be a time traveler since this thread seemed to move fast today before I am totally caught up. Greetings from Weds, 8/10 at 9 PM!

the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

This is a very specific thought, and I'm not sure how you would arrive at it.

Why do you think this, since if they are civ, neither would know the others alignment, yet at the time you make this post, you can't say which is which?

Could it be possible they *believe* they are different alignments from each other?

[Ricochet]

D1 I thought marmot was mafia but I now feel that I'm wrong as of know I have no suspensions

[S~V~S]

Thunal why did you think my flip on Scotty was a good look?

I think it's towny to make that sort of very quick turnaround. Often wolves want to keep a progression that makes sense to the thread and keep pushes open.

This feels very consistent with your defense against Scotty right now, in that you're making a similar argument for how I'm town and for how you're town. Namely that wolves like progressions and that you're saying you and I didn't do that.

It feels weird. I don't know if I can put my finger on why, it might be that I'm worried you're arguing for v!me in order to support an argument for v!Thunal (especially after I flip town), which itself is pretty wolfy.

Have you put your finger on it yet? I'd like to hear about it if you have (If Dizzy liked the butt post, he would love this one).

[Syn]

the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

This is a very specific thought, and I'm not sure how you would arrive at it.

Why do you think this, since if they are civ, neither would know the others alignment, yet at the time you make this post, you can't say which is which?

Could it be possible they *believe* they are different alignments from each other?

it is a progression from my original thought that they are teamed, to thinking that their interacting is less theatre and more genuine casing/arguing

I don't understand the second question. it seems like something that answers itself?

[S~V~S]

Y'all should have voted Epi. Perhaps we should do that today in honor of Dizzy.

I'm not mafia and I think you know that. But knock yourself out.

The only way she would know this is if she was woofy. Is that what you're saying, she's woofy?

Linki,

the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

This is a very specific thought, and I'm not sure how you would arrive at it.

Why do you think this, since if they are civ, neither would know the others alignment, yet at the time you make this post, you can't say which is which?

Could it be possible they *believe* they are different alignments from each other?

it is a progression from my original thought that they are teamed, to thinking that their interacting is less theatre and more genuine casing/arguing

I don't understand the second question. it seems like something that answers itself?

That was poorly worded on my part.

If they don't seem teamed, why was your first thought "opposite alignments" as opposed to "possibly t/t", if you didn't know which to think was which?

[Syn]

Linki,

the more I see thunal and scotty interact, the more I consider the idea that they are different alignments from one another instead of teamed

could not tell you who's which though

This is a very specific thought, and I'm not sure how you would arrive at it.

Why do you think this, since if they are civ, neither would know the others alignment, yet at the time you make this post, you can't say which is which?

Could it be possible they *believe* they are different alignments from each other?

it is a progression from my original thought that they are teamed, to thinking that their interacting is less theatre and more genuine casing/arguing

I don't understand the second question. it seems like something that answers itself?

That was poorly worded on my part.

If they don't seem teamed, why was your first thought "opposite alignments" as opposed to "possibly t/t", if you didn't know which to think was which?

again this seems to answer itself. I independently consider them both wolfy, so t/t would not be my initial conclusion

could they be? sure? I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow but probably not

[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

It could be marmot. I don't love their reactions/progressions. On the other hand they kinda seem organic.

It could be Marmot.

I did not love Epi's posturing during the shit fest either. Felt like he was bullying me, possibly from a position of TMI on Lime.

It could be me.

I do not know why Dizzy and SVS are being dismissed. They are both well within their scum ranges and I'd prefer if more people seriously scrutinized them rather than tossing their names to the side for no apparent reason. It would kind of be an elim out of fear but it kinda feels like the alternative is shrugyeeting the 1 poster.

It could be S~V~S or Dizzy.

Thunal, Seanzie, and Scotty I would say are townreads atm with some paranoia. Thunal maybe slightly more likely wolf meta than the other two.

It could be these three people ("some paranoia").

I view this as nutella leaving her options as open as they can be. She lost Lime Coke in his revelation.

So my preferences are something like
One of Dizzy/Epi - I would like to see these flips the most. I kind of think they are as close as we have to a Macdougall patented difference check. If there isn't a wolf in Dizzy/Epi then I recuse myself from having any grasp on this whole damn game lol. Maybe there isn't much basis for that but vibes.

If nutella is a civilian, I don't understand the basis for pairing Dyslexicon and me together in this manner and then excusing herself from figuring anything out further when she is proven incorrect.

And from posts in this catchup I'm leaning more to Epi now than Dizzy. Idk.
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SVS - I am paranoid but do not have a direct reason to want to flip first. If the above two are clean she's where I'd look next, mostly by POE, but at that point I get more paranoid of my paranoia tier too.
Rico - Coin fuckin flip idc. The back of my head is invoking the "did he just forget about the game and is that more likely town" but that's somewhat angley and not much worth weighing in.
Marmot - Meh?
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Everyone else I'd prefer not to die today probably.

.....Shit idk. Maybe I'm not as sure on falcon. Maybe the wolves are just all in my paranoia tier. I feel likely to 180 on just about anyone at any point. I hate this game.

(Full disclosure: I edited things out of this post that weren't relevant to the point I was making)

Ignore my previous @ Epi.

Prior to this, all i remembered of you was that sketchy knowing the post limit but not the locked vote issue. With the hammer situation, that looked kinda sketch. Syn may have been underwhelmed, but I am not. Not 100% sure I agree but it is intriguing seeing it all together.

Although I do tend to believe wolves take their frustration out in the chat rather than the thread, so her reaction to LC looked pretty town to me. But what do i know?

Also throw pillows are the biggest scam. Grrrrr.

[S~V~S]

alright it's cool

epignosis seems like a fine wagon

i would also like thunal to be one

There's nothing I love more than other people deciding what the wagons are gonna be in a game with this set up without discussing it. My favorite freaking thing.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Let's roll.

Well okay. Shit. I am a moron.

Why do I feel like these two thoughts don’t go together?

You pull Thunal out your ass, who has been talked about by several people as a scum read, so either you have been reading the thread to come to this vote or you’ve thrown your bowling ball straight down the middle while blindfolded.

Then you claim not to have read the rules. Your first post is responding to ????? the voices in your head ????? about the post limit.

I dunno, your whole entrance makes me feel you’re not being sincere

I townread this post in the moment but it might be partnered. I think w!Scotty would have a harder time thinking of this being fake if it's t!Epi, but if it actually were fake and he knew it then it makes sense why he would think of it.

I've been thinking about this and I don't think w!Scotty treats t!Epi the way he did day 1. He goes all in thinking Epi was faking the vote lock, and then turns around and townreads him. It would make sense if they were partnered, but I don't think he would both immediately think Epi was faking the vote lock and then take away an easy push from himself like that if Epi were town.

[S~V~S]

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[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Let's roll.

Why? Is this even an RVS vote or a real one?

Because if Epi read the thread he'd see that we were talking about locked votes.

I think Epi probably didn't know votes were locked. If Epi is mafia that faked not knowing votes were locked, what's his plan? To vote me, making his vote unavailable for anyone else later, and to risk it being seen as performative? I don't think it's a very good plan. I do have some paranoia after Belzy's snipe on me in Sesame Street, but I don't really think it's like that because he could easily have just voted me later.

Epi could easily be mafia who didn't know votes were locked. I feel like he was a little too concerned with how he appeared to the thread after his vote.

I don't care for this reversal on Epi that Thunal did on Day 1. She reversed her read again later. I know Thunal has been maintaining that this sort of thing is much more likely for her to do as town, but that doesn't make it town.

I get that Epi made posts after his original vote that could lead to a reversal, but these two observations have the opposite read about the same event: Epi insta-voting.

And then after her next reversal:

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I'm not feeling Epi mafia anymore. I caught him from spec in that game where he was wolf with Delta and he felt different there. Here it feels like he's throwing out takes while there it felt like he had a clear agenda.

She's not wrong that Epi doesn't seem to have an agenda, but his takes aren't very compelling.

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Jesus, I've caught up.

Dyslexicon is my top suspect and I'd vote there if I had the means.

why?

Dyslexicon looks mean. Like out to get someone. The tone is a total contrast from what I'm used to seeing. That's the sense I got.

Just kidding. I have posts to burn.

It was this post:

Town brad is loud about his reads and makes it clear that they have reasons even if they're silly reasons. Lime's approach to me here was to simply ignore the request for any actual reasoning after I pointed out that his reasoning was nonsensical. People other than me might just not notice what he was doing as so egregious, but from where I'm sitting it sure felt like he made up justifications for his readlist and had no vested interest in backing them up when prompted. He was flippant, and flippancy does not always necessarily equal wolfiness, but I cannot locate a town motivation for his behavior.

There's so much "BURY THIS GUY (but but but)."

I think nutella is looking for an easy mark (no offense, Lime Coke)

Dizzy didn't even look mean. He was just a carefree bundle of joy. Also this read has now been proven wrong.

I don't think Epi cares about pushing his reads. He just has them. I want to feel compelled to believe Epi when I read his cases, even if I disagree with them, but I just don't.


Also he just sat on the sidelines when nutella and Lime Coke were going at it.

Epi and Thunal could very well be paired, but I voted Epi because I think he's more likely to be a wolf, and he doesn't care about the roof. Thunal I have an easier time seeing as town, even if she isn't doing her tell.

My brow is lifting at you again. This feels somewhat opportunistic. And tbh he makes some good point about Nutella, she really did feel that way to me as well.

And since everyone seems to think that losing your temper in thread is towny (including myself 2-3 posts ago), she decided to do that (not saying that's what I think, but it's possible. I played my first game in 2009, and Nutella was already hosting by then, lol, and I don't know that she ever took a break for a meaningful amount of time. She probably has more experience than all of us put together, she is capable of pretty much anything).