Severance [Evening Four]

[RondoDimBuckle]

I have finally gotten around to reading OP

Spoiler: show

If there are any roleblocking paradoxes, they will be resolved as follows:
---> Two roleblockers target each other ---> First action submitted trumps the other
---> Two jailkeepers target each other ---> First action submitted trumps the other
---> A jailkeeper and a roleblocker target each other ---> roleblocker wins
These things may or may not be possible in this game.

- Double targeting (targeting the same player on consecutive nights) is legal for all roles/abilities that cannot prevent mafia night kills and illegal for those that can.
- Self targeting is legal except when explicitly indicated otherwise.

Ok this is interesting.

Secondarily I know jack shit about the actual tv show so can someone give me the flavour on that?

Spoiler: show

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[leetic]

oh I forgot [VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

Excusez-moi? Also why are you only voting for established targets?

[leetic]

oh I forgot [VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

Excusez-moi? Also why are you only voting for established targets?

It's also another OMGUS. Predictable.

[RondoDimBuckle]

oh I forgot [VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

Excusez-moi? Also why are you only voting for established targets?

It's also another OMGUS. Predictable.

oh I forgot [VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine

Excusez-moi? Also why are you only voting for established targets?

hahahaha ok you're fun

[VOTE: robyn ] aubergine

[Bereft]

I glare harder at the tabasco bottle. ~ Bereft

[leetic]

There's no hammer in play, right? 'Cause if there is, we're two away from that. And Abby is playing and not on robyn, so yeah, that could be a disaster.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I glare harder at the tabasco bottle. ~ Bereft

Am I the tobasco bottle?

[RondoDimBuckle]

ok Ive read a bit more of Berefts stuff and possibly objects are people in thread? Gonna go count how many he has mentioned

[leetic]

Not gonna deal with Bereft right now. At best, they're playing a game of cypher, and in the time it takes to decode that I could probably solve like five other people.

[Ranmilia]

I glare harder at the tabasco bottle. ~ Bereft

Don't blame the sauce for your tummy troubles. Perhaps you simply hadn't eaten enough. The burn will help bring things into focus.

[Ranmilia]

The box of cigarettes and the toy sword really don't go together though, do they? Total stylistic mismatch.

[MacDougall]

Confident that these three are town

leetic
Ranmilia
WindwardAway

Firmly town

Gira
☆Princess Abigail☆

Slightly leaning town

Bereft
pyxxy

Slightly suspicious of this lot

TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon
Rondo

My POE

robyn
tedxtr

[leetic]

Confident that these three are town

leetic
Ranmilia
WindwardAway

Firmly town

Gira
☆Princess Abigail☆

Slightly leaning town

Bereft
pyxxy

Slightly suspicious of this lot

TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon
Rondo

My POE

robyn
tedxtr

Do you think there is any indication that robyn and tedxtr may be partnered?

[Ranmilia]

Confident that these three are town

leetic
Ranmilia
WindwardAway

Firmly town

Gira
☆Princess Abigail☆

Slightly leaning town

Bereft
pyxxy

Slightly suspicious of this lot

TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon
Rondo

My POE

robyn
tedxtr

Do you think there is any indication that robyn and tedxtr may be partnered?

Hm. About that.

i don't really like this robyn heat. i'd describe them as an ez mislunch and don't see any wolfy poasts or any reason to vote them whatsoever

what happened to ranmilia wolf, dys?

[leetic]

Confident that these three are town

leetic
Ranmilia
WindwardAway

Firmly town

Gira
☆Princess Abigail☆

Slightly leaning town

Bereft
pyxxy

Slightly suspicious of this lot

TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon
Rondo

My POE

robyn
tedxtr

Do you think there is any indication that robyn and tedxtr may be partnered?

Hm. About that.

i don't really like this robyn heat. i'd describe them as an ez mislunch and don't see any wolfy poasts or any reason to vote them whatsoever

what happened to ranmilia wolf, dys?

Sounds like it could be a pocket attempt just as much as a partner interaction if confbiased from a w!tedxtr perspective

[RondoDimBuckle]

Fluff?: <Food>, Home, Sun?, Sandbags?, Tv(Fluff?), Doll
Floating: Tobasco Sauce, Toyota Corolla, Toy Sword(Too obviou), Metal plate, Orange Juice, Stuffed Animal,
Bereft - Compass > Who ever duck is Bereft disagrees with but doesnt think they are wolf > Most obvious Mac/Robyn?
Dyslexicon - Storage Room - Cigs(Malbro) > unvote
Gira -
leetic -
MacDougall - Storage Room - Duck / brick(red) > unvote
☆Princess Abigail☆ -
pyxxy -
Ranmilia -
robyn - Storage Room - Duck / brick(red) > unvote
tedxtr - Storage Room - Disco Ball > Current vote > Wants to smash to smitherines
TonyStarkPrime -
WindwardAway -

Time is running out? More implication than day phase?

So I still had pyxxy, tsp and wwa to vote but I think I am going to cut the fun of messing with leetic and [VOTE: tedxtr ] aubergine

@MacDougall @robyn Bereft thinks youre tvt (if I am reading him right) join me

[RondoDimBuckle]

ok I have used up my hour and now I have to go fulfil a promise might or might not be back for EOD work has been fucking hectic

[Ranmilia]

Fluff?: <Food>, Home, Sun?, Sandbags?, Tv(Fluff?), Doll
Floating: Tobasco Sauce, Toyota Corolla, Toy Sword(Too obviou), Metal plate, Orange Juice, Stuffed Animal,
Bereft - Compass > Who ever duck is Bereft disagrees with but doesnt think they are wolf > Most obvious Mac/Robyn?
Dyslexicon - Storage Room - Cigs(Malbro) > unvote
Gira -
leetic -
MacDougall - Storage Room - Duck / brick(red) > unvote
☆Princess Abigail☆ -
pyxxy -
Ranmilia -
robyn - Storage Room - Duck / brick(red) > unvote
tedxtr - Storage Room - Disco Ball > Current vote > Wants to smash to smitherines
TonyStarkPrime -
WindwardAway -

Time is running out? More implication than day phase?

So I still had pyxxy, tsp and wwa to vote but I think I am going to cut the fun of messing with leetic and [VOTE: tedxtr ] aubergine

@MacDougall @robyn Bereft thinks youre tvt (if I am reading him right) join me

those are. not the interpretations i had. but i'm not sure on all of them so mwaf. one thing is clear though and that is that bereft wants disco ted dead.

[Ranmilia]

Also, hi Rondo, now that you're leaving again.

[Ranmilia]

here's a freebie, the tabasco sauce is me and he's, understandably, not thrilled with when I called for consolidation on him.

[WindwardAway]

Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving.

I'm not going to try to take control of the thread if I'm not confident in my reads, sheesh.

[Ranmilia]

Hi Wind. Do you have any information about magical extra votes on people?

[WindwardAway]

Here’s the situation: not all is right. We’re about to limp into the stupidest looking bereft chop I’ve ever seen. It’s probably rand and there are somewhat good reasons not to do that. So then, who’s in this game who should know better? I promise I didn’t just immediately jump to the two voters on Bereft for the record, I think that looks slightly towny. Leetic seems to have lost a bit of the edge, can’t tell why. WWA is posting a lot but has no thread control nor have they attempted to wrest it. I won’t vote for Mac or dizzy day 1. Ted seems alright. Mac’s defending Gira. I won’t vote Rondo D1 for opposite reasons. Ran and Robyn are self resolving.

leetic has less sauce than i do, if you wanted to know

wwa never has thread influence really unless they find a literal smoking gun, which won't be found anywhere, what they have correctly deduced is that the wolves in game are active and posting well

we're not limping into the bereft chop and i'm taking responsibility for it, i can lead a wolf team to glory, i can also lead a d1 chop to glory. besides who knows if that's what i'll do, or not do, or do again, or something

True here, but not on other forums, sometimes I have thread influence and don't know what to do with it
Which is why I don't usually want it if I don't have solid evidence, as you said

And tbf, if I thought that I'd correctly deduced that wolves are active, I would probably not be voting Bereft. He's not exactly active, lol.

[WindwardAway]

Everyone else knows that I'm pretty 50/50 with my accuracy, I can townclear myself most of the time when I want to, but my reads are poop even if my reasoning is somewhat logical

if you were 50/50 with accuracy you would be one of the best players of all time /pedantry

people tend to greatly over-estimate the accuracy of reads, not just from themselves but from others
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@Gira A. y u scumread robyn? Like... not to overreact but I still feel very confident in them from probing into them earlier. They are a poor little meow meow and not doing anything I can identify as scummy. But mac and you are both going at them hard and neither of you are really saying why that I can see, so... someone is big wrong here.

B. What is your philosophy on the act of voting (in mafia)?

A. I feel like I've explained this, at least to the extent I want to, in terms lo signal to noise ratio, posting to seem present but not having many thoughts that come across as solving. posts since they started being pushed haven't moved the needle for me. I know that's probably vague, I don't feel like casing because I would not say that this is an especially confident read still, just the one I feel best about pushing at the moment.

B. votes are a tool. they create pressure, and pressure is one of the best ways to discern someone's alignment. in the environment I learned the game, voting early was customary, usually in an RVS stage, where i'd often try to go after someone for reactions early because i didn't like their opener, although that early attack approach backfired on me enough times that have abandoned it. in early games i'll move my vote around a lot as i pressure payers and then change my mind, late in games i think i tend to hold on to it more. I'm not someone who particularly cares about accuracy, sometimes the reaction you get from voting someone is the best way to find them as town. It's probably true that I tend to hold on to my vote more as scum, because I get cautious about who I'm pushing and don't want to do things that are potentially bad optics.

Well usually when I'm super accurate I die to the NK immediately and town loses the game lol
Lately, by the time I'm accurate enough it's endgame and nobody trusts me, so basically it's game losing for me to survive that long.
I guess I should say, there are certain playstyles I can read very well and others I can't read at all.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I was saving this for later and forgot about it when I was doing my bereft reading.

16/11 - 17:33
I was nursing a Gira + Leetic worldview, then a Gira is just wrong town and Leetic was with Tedxtr which I later decided was stupid and it was just one of Gira/Leetic/Tedxr leaning Leetic. But now I just think its Tedxtr or just straight up they are all town because they have no idea who I am? But then I loop around to how uncharitable and dogged Leetic has been in trying to push me. Possibly to save someone? Robyn?

I have no idea what is going on between Mac and Robyn but ill let Mac do his thing

Prediction: Neon is bored

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also, hi Rondo, now that you're leaving again.

hi, bye

[RondoDimBuckle]

here's a freebie, the tabasco sauce is me and he's, understandably, not thrilled with when I called for consolidation on him.

how are you tobasco sauce?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hey WWA, whats going on? Tell me your reads when I get back. Ok im late now.

[WindwardAway]

[VOTE: Abigail[/unvote] serious read] aubergine

[VOTE:

I am having a very hard time following the logic behind your reads] aubergine

[WindwardAway]

i think tsp is town now for reasons that are not related to how other people are reading him. i also think mac is town.

I think TSP is town for voting me and then Abbi
Idk what your reasons are, but mine are that nobody is pushing Abbi or me, so TSP jumping onto these two votes doesn't look opportunistic at all

[WindwardAway]

Hey WWA, whats going on? Tell me your reads when I get back. Ok im late now.

Working on it

[WindwardAway]

Hi Wind. Do you have any information about magical extra votes on people?

No, I don't, and I haven't checked the vote poll yet

[WindwardAway]

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine serious read

I am having a very hard time following the logic behind your reads

Oh wtf
How did that turn into a vote??

[WindwardAway]

Anyway, if you REALLY need to know why my vote is on Bereft, it's because I have a theory. It's not dependent on voting Bereft, but let's say he is one of the players included in this theory of mine. And no, I'm not going to elaborate right now, but you will get a readlist from me later.

[WindwardAway]

@Ranmilia are you around? You said you had something to ask me

[Bereft]

here's a freebie, the tabasco sauce is me and he's, understandably, not thrilled with when I called for consolidation on him.

Here's a freebie. Tabasco is Rondo and not you. If you're going to complain abt stylistic differences between cigarettes and a toy sword, then at least put in the effort to make heads or tails of the actual content. ~ Schweppes

[Porscha]

obligatory "wtf there is 30 pages post"

bet you guys wish you could vote me for it

[Ranmilia]

@Ranmilia are you around? You said you had something to ask me

Yes. Gun to head take on pyxxy chop chop town or wolf?

[pyxxy]

- I don't know what I think about Robyn anymore. The things mac says are true or seem true. I have been disappointed in Robyn not really doing anything since we 'masoned' except going after Gira and Bereft. I don't know why their response to mac's pressure (in my eyes still only a moderate push, I've seen stronger from him) is so disproportionate. I don't know why they outed schweppes and insomnia's alts and I'd really like to understand that. I don't know why they think they survive to d2 now after going "smell ya later". I think mac is very town but if mac is right then robyn has pocketed me and what if mac is the one pocketing me.

- I want @pyxxy to post more. I'm not sure what I want them to post about. Literally anything, anyone. Come talk to me.

- TSP is a player who exists in this game.

this is less about post count and more about you not finding anything in my posts that you feel inspired to engage with, yeah?

[leetic]

here's a freebie, the tabasco sauce is me and he's, understandably, not thrilled with when I called for consolidation on him.

Here's a freebie. Tabasco is Rondo and not you. If you're going to complain abt stylistic differences between cigarettes and a toy sword, then at least put in the effort to make heads or tails of the actual content. ~ Schweppes

So you're not restricted from directly mentioning people. So why are you still fucking around? You're only going to invite misinterpretations

[Ranmilia]

here's a freebie, the tabasco sauce is me and he's, understandably, not thrilled with when I called for consolidation on him.

Here's a freebie. Tabasco is Rondo and not you. If you're going to complain abt stylistic differences between cigarettes and a toy sword, then at least put in the effort to make heads or tails of the actual content. ~ Schweppes

Well my whole interpretation failed then. Sorry.

[WindwardAway]

Well, pyxxy is the only voter who might have a "case", as RDB seems to be simple OMGUS and Bereft just seems to be roleplaying. It is a little concerning that a wagon with so little substance is ahead however.

HAhahaha. [VOTE: neon ] aubergine

So when called out on your vote, you just switch with no elaboration? Also, did TSP influence your choice of target?

You must be new here.

[/vote] Dyslexicon [/vote]

I've been here longer than you. Also, that's not exactly a bold vote you're making.

Sure maybe in chronological but you obviously havent been around lately or you wouldnt be responding to me the way you are. Notice how everyone else in the game barring Gira and Tedxtr have all just been chill with how I have been acting? Its because they are aware of me. You arent. Ergo. Not from around here [VOTE: bereft ] aubergine

Everyone in the game barring (lists exceptions)? Really convincing. Also, going to another lame vote after being called out for a lame vote.

What the fuck is going on here, does rondo have a restriction where he has to vote someone new like every other post or what?

[pyxxy]

I really liked when Mac did the fortune reading of that one Bereft post

I legit kinda believe its meaning too

[leetic]

obligatory "wtf there is 30 pages post"

bet you guys wish you could vote me for it

Where the hell did you come from?

[Ranmilia]

obligatory "wtf there is 30 pages post"

bet you guys wish you could vote me for it

what

[pyxxy]

Have a moment to share a thought ive been thinking. What if I have a +1 against me for breaking the rules? Did anyone else with a +1 break a rule?

what rule did you break?

self voted

well if there was a group of three people to break that rule and get votes for it...........sigh

[pyxxy]

Have a moment to share a thought ive been thinking. What if I have a +1 against me for breaking the rules? Did anyone else with a +1 break a rule?

what rule did you break?

self voted

well if there was a group of three people to break that rule and get votes for it...........sigh

[pyxxy]

obligatory "wtf there is 30 pages post"

bet you guys wish you could vote me for it

god fucking bless this game

[leetic]

So I assume Porscha is the 27th player that isn't a part of either group? Or are more people gonna show up?

[WindwardAway]

@Ranmilia are you around? You said you had something to ask me

Yes. Gun to head take on pyxxy chop chop town or wolf?

Without looking at his iso I would shrugyeet him without remorse.
I think his responses to leetic earlier looked kinda towny but maybe that's just because I don't think it looked like theatre, but I townread leetic way more than pyxxy so it's not a great standard for comparison.
But he townread me fairly early, I don't think he gave any explanation for it, and he also knows that I have caught him twice almost immediately in games where he was wolfing and that if he is a wolf, I will catch on and not let him escape.
So yeah, it's an ego-based read for sure, and probably paranoia plays into it but that is my current thought. And I think that part is more important than his discourse with leetic.