I see nothing in that fancy post of yours that's an explanation of disagreement.
And even if you don't believe Robyn, then believe me.
Cape's town, and I didn't use magic to come to this conclusion.
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I see nothing in that fancy post of yours that's an explanation of disagreement.
Yet again no case for why he is town just that he is. And once again I will discard itBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:30 amI see nothing in that fancy post of yours that's an explanation of disagreement.
And even if you don't believe Robyn, then believe me.
Cape's town, and I didn't use magic to come to this conclusion.
No you're talking about cape. I am talking about JJJ and Thunal
I have not been in a place conducive to make cases all day, so you'll excuse me if it takes longer than normal for me to respond and write cases.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:31 amYet again no case for why he is town just that he is. And once again I will discard itBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:30 amI see nothing in that fancy post of yours that's an explanation of disagreement.
And even if you don't believe Robyn, then believe me.
Cape's town, and I didn't use magic to come to this conclusion.
Ok then, but I don't understand the J³/Thunal case.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:32 amNo you're talking about cape. I am talking about JJJ and Thunal
You're that one wanting to change my mind on it. I have made my stance clear.Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:33 amI have not been in a place conducive to make cases all day, so you'll excuse me if it takes longer than normal for me to respond and write cases.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:31 amYet again no case for why he is town just that he is. And once again I will discard itBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:30 amI see nothing in that fancy post of yours that's an explanation of disagreement.
And even if you don't believe Robyn, then believe me.
Cape's town, and I didn't use magic to come to this conclusion.
Because I havent made one yet. I have just declared itBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:34 amOk then, but I don't understand the J³/Thunal case.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:32 amNo you're talking about cape. I am talking about JJJ and Thunal
Then why am I supposed to listen you. These opinions are not symmetric sheesh.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:34 amBecause I havent made one yet. I have just declared itBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:34 amOk then, but I don't understand the J³/Thunal case.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:32 amNo you're talking about cape. I am talking about JJJ and Thunal
ok so what happens when Michelle flips town?
J³'s in a pickle.
so why not flip JJJ today and tomorrow I am (/michelle) in a pickle?Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:41 amJ³'s in a pickle.
I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:26 pmminor concernThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:37 pmOkay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 pmOne one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:49 am
What's normally suspicious about your style?
I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.
And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.
The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.
And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.
Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.
As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,
While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.
why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?
Because which makes more sense, flip J³, whose posts pass a smell test, or flip Michelle, whose posts don't pass a smell test?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:43 amso why not flip JJJ today and tomorrow I am (/michelle) in a pickle?Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:41 amJ³'s in a pickle.
I have, did you not see my post on Michelle?Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:47 amBecause which makes more sense, flip J³, whose posts pass a smell test, or flip Michelle, whose posts don't pass a smell test?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:43 amso why not flip JJJ today and tomorrow I am (/michelle) in a pickle?Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:41 amJ³'s in a pickle.
Have you seen Michelle's posts??
I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pmyeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of threadBereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:28 pmThere's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:21 pm I’ve perused back the last thirty moments of the sun gobble I can only doodle that to be one of the flibber, bungle endings to a giggle I can hummingbird. Whirlwind is an absolute harmony jester and I have no riddle if that is to be mirrored in his arrangement. Rainbow begs to be decoded and I would be vaporizing something if she wasn’t rescued yesterday. Because if Rainbow is boozy, JJJ is purported good, which would be wildly useful.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.
Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.
Uh oops no, I appear to have missed your Michelle post, sorry, will get back.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:48 amI have, did you not see my post on Michelle?Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:47 amBecause which makes more sense, flip J³, whose posts pass a smell test, or flip Michelle, whose posts don't pass a smell test?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:43 amso why not flip JJJ today and tomorrow I am (/michelle) in a pickle?Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:41 amJ³'s in a pickle.
Have you seen Michelle's posts??
I have also read JJJ's posts
This is the post you respond to? This one. lolThunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:48 amI also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pmyeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of threadBereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:28 pmThere's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:21 pm I’ve perused back the last thirty moments of the sun gobble I can only doodle that to be one of the flibber, bungle endings to a giggle I can hummingbird. Whirlwind is an absolute harmony jester and I have no riddle if that is to be mirrored in his arrangement. Rainbow begs to be decoded and I would be vaporizing something if she wasn’t rescued yesterday. Because if Rainbow is boozy, JJJ is purported good, which would be wildly useful.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.
Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.
I'm not going to try reading this.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:34 pm Even though flutterby says they have a spirit interpretation on Candle (and, no offense, I grasp those interpretations with a sprinkle of pepper), I am slanted to trust them on Candle. I mean, I previously had Candle as a city interpretation, but it provides me comfort about Flutterby rolling out so self-assured about it now.
There was a ton of commotion in the preceding 30 moments. By my calculation, there was a 2-vote 5-method bind 15 min before Dusk. Whirlwind gushing in to randomly vote Seanzie and the spar with Wilgy are crimson banners. (Or crimson cards, lol)
You can’t reveal me wolves weren’t busy leading off of Rainbow. That gazed like a rescue to me, and it functioned.
You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:50 amThis is the post you respond to? This one. lolThunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:48 amI also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:30 pmyeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of threadBereft wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:28 pmThere's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:21 pm I’ve perused back the last thirty moments of the sun gobble I can only doodle that to be one of the flibber, bungle endings to a giggle I can hummingbird. Whirlwind is an absolute harmony jester and I have no riddle if that is to be mirrored in his arrangement. Rainbow begs to be decoded and I would be vaporizing something if she wasn’t rescued yesterday. Because if Rainbow is boozy, JJJ is purported good, which would be wildly useful.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine
He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.
Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.
Cape's v, "keeping J³ in check"??? Mich was on the defense, how else do you expect them to react, and the last one is more than fakeable.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:57 amCape wanting to pocket Michelle, reason enough for Michelle to be townSpoiler: show
Spoiler: show
Keeping 'town leader' JJJ in check
not wanting to vote seanSpoiler: show
All of these are good reason to town read Michelle.
But honestly if she doesnt post more, doesnt help me with Thunal/Cape/JJJ and find the +1 she can go into the SVS/DM/Scotty/Michelle pile of 1 of
I would much rather kill JJJ today.
It was her entitlement/headstrongness that caught my eye.
These have "isn't it obvious" tone, and they pretty clearly struck me as Michelle actually believing in her reads.Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:36 pmIt helps town imo. A simple logic tells me that mafia is not posting that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:32 pm"I don't think Jay makes this post as mafia." is a pretty assertive statement.
I will not make a wall to explain it more
sure its fakeable. youll note the boldedBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 amCape's v, "keeping J³ in check"??? Mich was on the defense, how else do you expect them to react, and the last one is more than fakeable.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:57 amCape wanting to pocket Michelle, reason enough for Michelle to be townSpoiler: show
Spoiler: show
Keeping 'town leader' JJJ in check
not wanting to vote seanSpoiler: show
All of these are good reason to town read Michelle.
But honestly if she doesnt post more, doesnt help me with Thunal/Cape/JJJ and find the +1 she can go into the SVS/DM/Scotty/Michelle pile of 1 of
I would much rather kill JJJ today.
I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:56 amSo let me get this straight.Spoiler: show
You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in
and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.
and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?
Gonna have to press x to doubt here
I don’t think it was a bad elimination even if I voted Michelle instead. The entire rationale is that solving everyone else can change the subjective probabilities for the zero poster’s flip.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:00 am How we managed to yeet a 0 poster over anyone else is baffling to me honestly.
What scenario is anyone like "yeah I'll take the 4/15 before we bring those odds down to 4/8 or 4/10 where townie players can show first effectively making odds more like 4/6 or 7"
Wait, so which was it?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:00 pmI saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:56 amSo let me get this straight.Spoiler: show
You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in
and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.
and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?
Gonna have to press x to doubt here
So then you have to ask yourself, why I havent made them convincing yet
This is rich just after I caught thunal in a lie
The second one. I assumed you were talking about something later that I didn't see.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:02 pmWait, so which was it?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:00 pmI saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:56 amSo let me get this straight.Spoiler: show
You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in
and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.
and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?
Gonna have to press x to doubt here
"Im catching up I cant see everything"
or
"I saw it and I didnt think it was worth responding to"
Because they are diametrically opposed statements
No seriously, if you're going to make a giant case at EoD anyways that's more convincing anyways, then may as well not waste your time needling suspects when its convincing no one and only fueling your own bias.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pmSo then you have to ask yourself, why I havent made them convincing yet
She’s your best bet to avoid 0 for 3. I didn’t see a “lie”, so let’s have a look.
Explain.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pm I might suspect LoRab more than Michelle. They’re the top two anyway.
This kind of statement is very anti town wim. Shouldnt you be happy I am engaged in this game instead of trying to attack my desire to play it? :think:
But then I wouldnt get this lovely towny statement from you. But you're right. Good nightBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:05 pmNo seriously, if you're going to make a giant case at EoD anyways that's more convincing anyways, then may as well not waste your time needling suspects when its convincing no one and only fueling your own bias.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pmSo then you have to ask yourself, why I havent made them convincing yet
I told you to do your thing my good man. But it’s important to resist your reads if I think they’re bad and that listening to you would literally lose the game.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:06 pmThis kind of statement is very anti town wim. Shouldnt you be happy I am engaged in this game instead of trying to attack my desire to play it? :think:
Oh quit. Everyone $%#!ing knows I'm town, everyone who's paying attention plus mafia that is. Literally anyone who's even bothered to suspect me is >randv at this point.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:07 pmBut then I wouldnt get this lovely towny statement from you. But you're right. Good nightBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:05 pmNo seriously, if you're going to make a giant case at EoD anyways that's more convincing anyways, then may as well not waste your time needling suspects when its convincing no one and only fueling your own bias.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pmSo then you have to ask yourself, why I havent made them convincing yet
@JaggedJimmyJayBereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:05 pmExplain.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pm I might suspect LoRab more than Michelle. They’re the top two anyway.
I brought up LoRab’s initial reads a bit ago. I just don’t dind them believable anymore. She essentially committed the same “sins” (subjectively) as Michelle but far earlier.Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:05 pmExplain.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:03 pm I might suspect LoRab more than Michelle. They’re the top two anyway.