Nat'l Lampoon's Christmas Vacation - Game End

[Long Con]

I would have gone pyxxy over Serhal. I was on pyxxy... but then pyxxy was too present, and could have thrown a wrench.

Sure but I mean like earlier, much earlier. Pyxxy would have been pressured by mafia after his PR claim. That's how mafia deal with it. They just laugh, call him outed and force him to full claim with vote pressure.

I thought the pressure on pyxxy was weak and afterthought-ish, compared to the Main Events in the thread. Maybe the wolves held out hope it would stay that way.

[MacDougall]

Pyxxy's partners shouldn't be all that hard to find with some effort. He's been pushed a lot. People who have been efforting a fair bit and leaving Pyxxy to one side or ignoring pushes on him are probably who I'd look at. Wouldn't rule out Tutuu bussing him either tbh.

[Scotty]

@Scotty so whatever action you used on me on n0 you're going to be using again I presume?

Is there feedback on this action? ie. if it doesn't fail will the person on the receiving end be able to confirm your ability?

Unclear about specifics of my feedback. I successfully used my ability last night but it didn’t do much apparently. It failed on N0, which means either I was blocked or my conditions weren’t met; I don’t think there’s a difference in my feedback on that tho

[MacDougall]

I would have gone pyxxy over Serhal. I was on pyxxy... but then pyxxy was too present, and could have thrown a wrench.

Sure but I mean like earlier, much earlier. Pyxxy would have been pressured by mafia after his PR claim. That's how mafia deal with it. They just laugh, call him outed and force him to full claim with vote pressure.

I thought the pressure on pyxxy was weak and afterthought-ish, compared to the Main Events in the thread. Maybe the wolves held out hope it would stay that way.

But they want him to claim if he's town. They need the info.

[Scotty]

@Long Con is your ability a night action?

[Long Con]

@Long Con is your ability a night action?

Yes. Pretty standard.

[Scotty]

@Long Con is your ability a night action?

Yes. Pretty standard.

Hmmmmmmmm

Maybe I was truly blocked then, because I should’ve had something happen if you acted that night

[MacDougall]

Haha no need to further speculate imo.

Just don't waste your action on me tonight that's all I'll add.

But...

Pyxxy has to go d3. He should be vigged if anyone has the means to.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Scotty is just town

[Scotty]

Scotty is just town

Perfect kill candidate tbh

At least I’ve got the night lol

[leetic]

One thing I don't really believe about Abby's claim is would there really be a post restrictor and silencer in the dame game? That would effectively allow two town voices to be silenced, which would fuck up parity really bad; it would only remotely make sense in the case that we have only two wolves.

[MacDougall]

Abigail claimed to have post cursed Falcon n1 right? Hence why there was nobody caroling?

And there was no silence on d1, which means that the silencer role failed on n0. Which means they targeted me n0 probably lol.

Which is to say that the silencer and post curse are different roles and the silencer is the mafia one.

[RondoDimBuckle]

No one got off Rondo on to someone else.

robyn and DM moved

[RondoDimBuckle]

No one got off Rondo on to someone else.

That's not true. He ended with 3 voted and had 5 at one point. So at least 2 players did.

Mac paying attention

[RondoDimBuckle]

No one got off Rondo on to someone else.

That's not true. He ended with 3 voted and had 5 at one point. So at least 2 players did.

That was before he was green-checked.

Was it before he claimed?

Also just to confirm you're saying you outed your check when he had 3 votes still, not 5?

pretty sure it was 5 > outed > 3 but my memory could be wrong

[RondoDimBuckle]

Can someone list all the mechanical information we have so far? LC claimed investigative on RDB (green), Abby claimed post restrictor, sig is Roleblocker and Scotty claimed roleblocked if I remember correctly, Serhal is Vig and probably didn't use it on falcon, anything I'm missing?

I was also blocked night 0

[MacDougall]

Honestly...

Pyxxy
DM
Robyn

Might just be the solve. It tracks fine.

[MacDougall]

Can someone list all the mechanical information we have so far? LC claimed investigative on RDB (green), Abby claimed post restrictor, sig is Roleblocker and Scotty claimed roleblocked if I remember correctly, Serhal is Vig and probably didn't use it on falcon, anything I'm missing?

I was also blocked night 0

Did you target me n0?

[RondoDimBuckle]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

I have no argument against it.

Okay well the wagon breakdown give a fairly good amount of information.

You should be docced if we have one and Pyxxy should be resolved day 3 if he doesn't self resolve with mech.

Rondo might die tonight as a doc dodge over you given he'd also green.

I think you should check Scotty because it provides the most resolution to the rest of the information.

what? no Scotty is town

[Long Con]

You're right, DM moved

[MacDougall]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

I have no argument against it.

Okay well the wagon breakdown give a fairly good amount of information.

You should be docced if we have one and Pyxxy should be resolved day 3 if he doesn't self resolve with mech.

Rondo might die tonight as a doc dodge over you given he'd also green.

I think you should check Scotty because it provides the most resolution to the rest of the information.

what? no Scotty is town

Checking town is not a bad thing when said town resolves the entirety of the d2 wagon comp. I think he's town too but it's a remarkably good information check.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Can someone list all the mechanical information we have so far? LC claimed investigative on RDB (green), Abby claimed post restrictor, sig is Roleblocker and Scotty claimed roleblocked if I remember correctly, Serhal is Vig and probably didn't use it on falcon, anything I'm missing?

I was also blocked night 0

Did you target me n0?

no.

[MacDougall]

You're right, DM moved

Now read their posts after it. I already have and I didn't like it much.

[leetic]

Abigail claimed to have post cursed Falcon n1 right? Hence why there was nobody caroling?

And there was no silence on d1, which means that the silencer role failed on n0. Which means they targeted me n0 probably lol.

Which is to say that the silencer and post curse are different roles and the silencer is the mafia one.

Possible, but it seems simpler to assume that they're both the same role. However, this will probably self-resolve depending on which powers get used tonight. (Still, if you have either of these powers and are town, it would be best for everyone if you don't use them!)

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo... why was he targeting n0? I thought his role was based around voting?

Huh, yeah. That needs clearing up.

no it doesnt? You have a green on me?

[MacDougall]

I don't think it makes sense that Abigail is also the silencer like at all. That idea doesn't pass any kind of Occam's razor test because it means she invented a partial lie that she could get caught in extremely easily for essentially no reason and that's just not how mafia operate.

[MacDougall]

Ah yes I've never seen wolves do things to save partners and for Tutuu to suggest it possible is preposterous.

there are wolves that do that and i think its bad gameplay

you think wolves should not save partners?

i think they should but i would never do it like that

What did you do that was so egregious if you were partnered? Do you think it was too audacious and rules it out accordingly?

well there would have been a risk he would have been eliminated on the random tie and if he flipped mafia, i wouldve been linked so idt its worth as a wolf to do that

my bravery came from my ignorance that pyxxy could very well be town for all i know and didnt want him yeeted when i suspected others more

You suspected Serhal more than Pyxxy?

Feel like DM might have been caught here tbh. I haven't checked but I doubt there's any evidence DM genuinely suspected Serhal more than Pyxxy at any point given I asked them to clarify here and they chose to ignore the question.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Scotty is just town

Perfect kill candidate tbh

At least I’ve got the night lol

yeah I am gone because they dont want me forcing the vote on pyxxy / robyn or pyxxy / leetic tomorrow

[Long Con]

Rondo... why was he targeting n0? I thought his role was based around voting?

Huh, yeah. That needs clearing up.

no it doesnt? You have a green on me?

Well, yeah, I didn't mean it in that way. Just that it's confusing for us.

[MacDougall]

Robyn tracks as a comfortable third in a Pyxxy/DM team through the Scotty vote.

@tutuu think on dat

[RondoDimBuckle]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

I have no argument against it.

Okay well the wagon breakdown give a fairly good amount of information.

You should be docced if we have one and Pyxxy should be resolved day 3 if he doesn't self resolve with mech.

Rondo might die tonight as a doc dodge over you given he'd also green.

I think you should check Scotty because it provides the most resolution to the rest of the information.

what? no Scotty is town

Checking town is not a bad thing when said town resolves the entirety of the d2 wagon comp. I think he's town too but it's a remarkably good information check.

no. if Scotty was wolf he would be dead. He IS town. IC

[Long Con]

Scotty is just town

Perfect kill candidate tbh

At least I’ve got the night lol

yeah I am gone because they dont want me forcing the vote on pyxxy / robyn or pyxxy / leetic tomorrow

Your vote needs to be one OVER the tie in order to be best info, no?

[Long Con]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

I have no argument against it.

Okay well the wagon breakdown give a fairly good amount of information.

You should be docced if we have one and Pyxxy should be resolved day 3 if he doesn't self resolve with mech.

Rondo might die tonight as a doc dodge over you given he'd also green.

I think you should check Scotty because it provides the most resolution to the rest of the information.

what? no Scotty is town

Checking town is not a bad thing when said town resolves the entirety of the d2 wagon comp. I think he's town too but it's a remarkably good information check.

no. if Scotty was wolf he would be dead. He IS town. IC

If your vote counted on Scotty, then he was just 33% chance to die. I don't see how it's as clearing as you say?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Rondo... why was he targeting n0? I thought his role was based around voting?

Huh, yeah. That needs clearing up.

no it doesnt? You have a green on me?

Well, yeah, I didn't mean it in that way. Just that it's confusing for us.

ah ok. Well Id like to keep that part secret for anti claim mech.

also please do not check scotty tonight. He is mega town

[MacDougall]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

I have no argument against it.

Okay well the wagon breakdown give a fairly good amount of information.

You should be docced if we have one and Pyxxy should be resolved day 3 if he doesn't self resolve with mech.

Rondo might die tonight as a doc dodge over you given he'd also green.

I think you should check Scotty because it provides the most resolution to the rest of the information.

what? no Scotty is town

Checking town is not a bad thing when said town resolves the entirety of the d2 wagon comp. I think he's town too but it's a remarkably good information check.

no. if Scotty was wolf he would be dead. He IS town. IC

It still doesn't mean confirming him as town is a bad idea.

A green checked Scotty would be a nightmare for the mafia team right now to deal with.

As an aside can you just like... focus on reading the game instead of constantly nipping at these minor things because I feel the game is solvable and you're now barking at me over something I barely care about.

If you have Scotty as green, then check DMs most recent content re. Scotty lol.

And also it means Robyn is virtually outed.

[leetic]

I don't think it makes sense that Abigail is also the silencer like at all. That idea doesn't pass any kind of Occam's razor test because it means she invented a partial lie that she could get caught in extremely easily for essentially no reason and that's just not how mafia operate.

The real possibility is that Abbie has been bullshitting us all along and the real silencer is someone else (presumably a wolf). I mean, it's Abbie.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Scotty is just town

Perfect kill candidate tbh

At least I’ve got the night lol

yeah I am gone because they dont want me forcing the vote on pyxxy / robyn or pyxxy / leetic tomorrow

Your vote needs to be one OVER the tie in order to be best info, no?

at minimum sure.

Any tied wagon gives me mech on the wagon I am on. If my wagon dies, wolf, if the other, town. Since myself and Sheral randed Scotty must be town

[MacDougall]

I don't think it makes sense that Abigail is also the silencer like at all. That idea doesn't pass any kind of Occam's razor test because it means she invented a partial lie that she could get caught in extremely easily for essentially no reason and that's just not how mafia operate.

The real possibility is that Abbie has been bullshitting us all along and the real silencer is someone else (presumably a wolf). I mean, it's Abbie.

Huh?

Abigail unprompted claimed the curse on you, what possible mafia agenda is there to that?

You keep getting tunneled on stuff that's not wolfy.

[Long Con]

Scotty is just town

Perfect kill candidate tbh

At least I’ve got the night lol

yeah I am gone because they dont want me forcing the vote on pyxxy / robyn or pyxxy / leetic tomorrow

Your vote needs to be one OVER the tie in order to be best info, no?

at minimum sure.

Any tied wagon gives me mech on the wagon I am on. If my wagon dies, wolf, if the other, town. Since myself and Sheral randed Scotty must be town

I don't see how you'd know the difference between a 2-way and a 3-way rand. That happens behind the scenes...?

[leetic]

I don't think it makes sense that Abigail is also the silencer like at all. That idea doesn't pass any kind of Occam's razor test because it means she invented a partial lie that she could get caught in extremely easily for essentially no reason and that's just not how mafia operate.

The real possibility is that Abbie has been bullshitting us all along and the real silencer is someone else (presumably a wolf). I mean, it's Abbie.

Huh?

Abigail unprompted claimed the curse on you, what possible mafia agenda is there to that?

You keep getting tunneled on stuff that's not wolfy.

It wasn't exactly unprompted, I brought up the possibility of Abby having targeted me to piss me off and then she said "yeah that happened"

[RondoDimBuckle]

we are assuming 3 wolves right?

I have no argument against it.

Okay well the wagon breakdown give a fairly good amount of information.

You should be docced if we have one and Pyxxy should be resolved day 3 if he doesn't self resolve with mech.

Rondo might die tonight as a doc dodge over you given he'd also green.

I think you should check Scotty because it provides the most resolution to the rest of the information.

what? no Scotty is town

Checking town is not a bad thing when said town resolves the entirety of the d2 wagon comp. I think he's town too but it's a remarkably good information check.

no. if Scotty was wolf he would be dead. He IS town. IC

It still doesn't mean confirming him as town is a bad idea.

A green checked Scotty would be a nightmare for the mafia team right now to deal with.

As an aside can you just like... focus on reading the game instead of constantly nipping at these minor things because I feel the game is solvable and you're now barking at me over something I barely care about.

If you have Scotty as green, then check DMs most recent content re. Scotty lol.

And also it means Robyn is virtually outed.

What I am saying IS that he is confirmed town. I have a mechanical green check on scotty. My vote didnt count, scotty didnt die, scotty must be town. Also now that I think about it. 3P was not mentioned as an option in my role so it is unlikely one exists

[MacDougall]

Leetic: Abigail might be silencer and curser
Mac: Probably not for multiple reasons
Leetic: Maybe Abigail has been bullshitting all along and the silencer is someone else?

I'm confused. Are you claiming you were never cursed?

[RondoDimBuckle]

also sure. I am at work so I will read DM and see what I can find later

[leetic]

Bored

Is that really all you're gonna post here? I'd expect at least some energy from you. It doesn't help that you're someone who'd be more likely to slap me with a post restriction.

Oh yeah that was me

Yeah, right here. How was that unprompted?

[Long Con]

RONDO! You are informed when your vote doesn't count??

[MacDougall]

So we have two green checks and a hard claimed cop in a game mafia have managed two miselims and town have been playing poorly.

I feel sorry for the mafia if they don't have major catch up mech here.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Scotty is just town

Perfect kill candidate tbh

At least I’ve got the night lol

yeah I am gone because they dont want me forcing the vote on pyxxy / robyn or pyxxy / leetic tomorrow

Your vote needs to be one OVER the tie in order to be best info, no?

at minimum sure.

Any tied wagon gives me mech on the wagon I am on. If my wagon dies, wolf, if the other, town. Since myself and Sheral randed Scotty must be town

I don't see how you'd know the difference between a 2-way and a 3-way rand. That happens behind the scenes...?

I am not full outing my role just trust me. I am green and I have a green on scotty

[Long Con]

Trusted.

[MacDougall]

Bored

Is that really all you're gonna post here? I'd expect at least some energy from you. It doesn't help that you're someone who'd be more likely to slap me with a post restriction.

Oh yeah that was me

Yeah, right here. How was that unprompted?

Unprompted is the wrong word. Unnecessary better word.

[leetic]

Bored

Is that really all you're gonna post here? I'd expect at least some energy from you. It doesn't help that you're someone who'd be more likely to slap me with a post restriction.

Oh yeah that was me

Yeah, right here. How was that unprompted?

Unprompted is the wrong word. Unnecessary better word.

You do know this is Abby we're talking about. The same person who faked a red check on me and held it for half the phase. Lying about this for whatever stupid reason is completely in-character for her

Also, you're moving the goalposts here