Game of Champions XIII [Night 0]

[WindwardAway]

I'm wary of Caitlin going to bat for me and betting that I'm town off of ??? reasons. Feels a bit pockety, but I'm waiting for her explanation on what her reasoning was.

[Dyslexicon]

Butt

Hehe

[Guillotine]

Meh... Guillo is being a bit too agreeable...

So?

[Guillotine]

What about that post says "I'm here for a good time" to you lol

They do this every other game and it sucks quite frankly

I just ignore it, it's white noise as far as I'm concerned. Not game-related and not alignment-indicative. Lots of people come in and say they hate mafia, lots of people come in and say they love mafia. I don't really give a shit, but I think making people feel even less welcome in the game just makes it worse tbh.

Sounds like they made themselves feel less welcome and we're just agreeing with them.

I think you are saying this performatively to try to pocket Sabi tbh considering that you are going out of your way to whiteknight someone who doesn't even want to be here.

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

(I am aware it's night, I'm using vote tags to indicate who I'd be voting if it was day)

I don't give a flying fuck what Sabi thinks of me if they're not reading the game. Point was that there's no need to be unnecessarily rude to people, just ignore it and move on. And I think it's slimy that you're turning this into a push on me.

You are oddly aggro in this game, what happened?

It's unrelated to the game but I will probably be in an aggro mood the entire time. If you don't want to deal with that, then I'm sorry. I'm still trying to play the game but I'm busy with a lot of irl stuff right now.

I dont have a problem with aggressive, i just think it may be alignment indicative for you even though you say it is not.

Time will tell

[Caitlin]

Porscha townie too and that person with the very short name and the yellow pfp wolfy

Sig is the one I meant!

Yellow enough.

I only agree with this if yellow is good, otherwise NO YOU

Um... The post calls you wolfy...

[Caitlin]

I'm still in retirement. I will slank. I still don't enjoy mafia.

This is it.

So did someone force you to sign up for the game at gunpoint or are you just making decisions that hurt both you and the rest of the game for no coherent reason?

I like Alison, sooooo LAMIST

Neither Sabi or Alison was being LAMIST there at all?

Moreso 'Look At Me I'm So Hostile'?

Im not judging the message not the delivery. Hostility for Alison is not alignment indicative.
She getting baited by sabi is,

I don't think Alison's hostility is alignment indicative, I think it isn't LAMIST

I also could see her getting baited as either alignment, to be honest? But I don't know her that well

[Caitlin]

I will say though that Alison and Nanook are not mafia together based on those interactions, I doubt they both agree on reacting to sabi the way they did both did, specially after i called Alison LAMIST for it.

I don't see why they'd need to both agree on doing so or why mafia wouldnt agree on saying the same thing

It's human psychology when they are guilty, they are very self aware of what might look bad for them.

If you are mafia and you are being suspected for something by someone, your partner is not gonna try exactly the same thing and risked getting suspected as well, you'd try something different.

/Shrug

WIFOM exists, Nanook may have not read it, and I'd also say its more of a town indicator for Nanook then it being a non-SvS indicator if your logic does check out

[Caitlin]

I will say though that Alison and Nanook are not mafia together based on those interactions, I doubt they both agree on reacting to sabi the way they did both did, specially after i called Alison LAMIST for it.

Nah, it was cooked up by two out of the three in wolf chat.

Nah, wolf Nanook does not go down the same route as wolf Alison did after seeing me eyeing Alison for it. He'd just stay away from it, i could see Nanook doing it as scum to indirectly support Alison's reaction and maybe pocket her that way.

Not loving your confidence in it at all

Small SL on you

Oh oh… caitlin goes to my scum pile then.

This is not OMGUS

It is the fact that by now, you should know that confidence is not alignment indicative for me and i hold you to higher standards than a lot of people, so i dont believe you believe that my confidence is sus, therefore your intentions are not pure.

It isn't the fact you have confidence, moreso that I think confidence isn't fit here

[Caitlin]

Thread is too negative already, someone here is mafia probably, I'll be over here enjoying music (and finishing my socky votes so I can click this poll honestly)

agreed a negative thread makes townie less active which helps mafia

TvS reads are wolfy but yknow I bet this is TvS

This is good though

I'm just ultra cute and townie

[Caitlin]

is there a way to just like. post a photo I have saved to my phone without needing a link to insert it

Not that I know of I always upload mine to imgbb

I always post mine in a private Discord Server so I can copy the link from there

Discord no longer allows that, they disable links to images posted outside of discord within 24 hours.

Yikes

Thats annoying

[Caitlin]

Town:
Caitlin
Guillo
Others

Probably wolf, but not sure:
Falcon

Wolf:
Nanook
Alison

What others?

I don't know, otherwise I would have said.

Why name others to begin with then

[Guillotine]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

[sig]

I was going to wait until D1 before actually using my brain but here's where I'm at from a quick read:

nutella - nutella is just vibing, and we love that
Epi - posts are funny
pyxxy - idk like "one of the cool kids" vibes
falcon - sarcasm on point, tickled my sense of humor
Porscha/Abigail - uwu but chilling, feels like they're having their own little tea party or something
sig - idk, just feels reliable

Windward - awkward feels
Guillo - Guillo feels like they're try-harding, which could swing either way but it clashes with idk the thread ambience a little
Alison - came on strong, not vibing

everyone else is null or I don't remember
no particular order within groupings

I’ll take it, pocket attempt successfully, lemon is now my ride or die

Successful rip

You have a town lock for Lemon, do I get it right?

Yes but only because they called me reliable

[Guillotine]

Meh... Guillo is being a bit too agreeable...

I actually wanna townlean him because he's voiced a couple things I've thought but kept to myself. I know his wolfrange is pretty impressive, though. But still.

The one thing that gets me is that multiball comment cause that's definitely not the first thing I'd think of, especially since Guillo made that earlier unpaired read (which ftr I found nothing wrong with) but did not make a comment about multiball then.

I as not thinking about multiball then.

[Caitlin]

Town caitlin never ever entertains sheeping someone whom opposes her reads.

She is more stubborn about them than myself.

Counterpoint 1: I said I would almost consider it, not that I actually would
Counterpoint 2: I have an MU alt, Porcelain Doll, where I do sheep lots since I do actually like sheeping

[sig]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

I’ve done zero 3P hunting though, seems like you’re trying really hard to find a reason to vote for someone, but not trying really hard to find mafia.

[Guillotine]

is there a way to just like. post a photo I have saved to my phone without needing a link to insert it

Not that I know of I always upload mine to imgbb

I always post mine in a private Discord Server so I can copy the link from there

Discord no longer allows that, they disable links to images posted outside of discord within 24 hours.

Yikes

Thats annoying

Tell me about it, i usually post my kon image from bleach in my first post, but i dont know any good free image hosting services anymore.

[Caitlin]

Oh oh… caitlin goes to my scum pile then.

This is not OMGUS

It is the fact that by now, you should know that confidence is not alignment indicative for me and i hold you to higher standards than a lot of people, so i dont believe you believe that my confidence is sus, therefore your intentions are not pure.

No.

Yes

...

No.

Yes! It is odd at best and sus at worse for anyone who has played with me several times to push that angle and give me a scum lean.

They aren't really pushing, they made an observation with a scumlean, and you're doing the over-the-top-knee-jerk reaction that I'd expect from town!you, but that I also don't think leads to high probability reads.

I got an extensive list of games that proves that i got high probability reads. It is not just a knee jerk reaction, caitlin is not acting like her usual town self and she will probably tell me post game that all of the reasons i caught her for are all wrong reasons,

Well the one time you caught me it was for TMI'ing the ppl I didn't know town when I... Didn't know 67% of my team

That was clearly for the wrong reasons

How could I have too much information about something incorrect

[Caitlin]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Or perhaps I'm just town

[Guillotine]

I will say though that Alison and Nanook are not mafia together based on those interactions, I doubt they both agree on reacting to sabi the way they did both did, specially after i called Alison LAMIST for it.

Nah, it was cooked up by two out of the three in wolf chat.

Nah, wolf Nanook does not go down the same route as wolf Alison did after seeing me eyeing Alison for it. He'd just stay away from it, i could see Nanook doing it as scum to indirectly support Alison's reaction and maybe pocket her that way.

Not loving your confidence in it at all

Small SL on you

Oh oh… caitlin goes to my scum pile then.

This is not OMGUS

It is the fact that by now, you should know that confidence is not alignment indicative for me and i hold you to higher standards than a lot of people, so i dont believe you believe that my confidence is sus, therefore your intentions are not pure.

It isn't the fact you have confidence, moreso that I think confidence isn't fit here

No? Didnt i catch you scum in a game within the first two hours of a game?

I believe i tunneled the crap out of you until you left and were replaced.


Everyone knows here that if there is someone who can develop confident reads early day 1, that is me.

[Caitlin]

I will say though that Alison and Nanook are not mafia together based on those interactions, I doubt they both agree on reacting to sabi the way they did both did, specially after i called Alison LAMIST for it.

Hate this post

1. It’s way to early to not link people

2. Nobody really talks about this prior to responding

you called Guillo out on doing this, but you didn't call out my post doing the same thing (albeit with different names)?

I bet WWA is town

And I bet Cape is town too - yes I'm well aware Cape isnt involved above but I still wanna say it anyway

Going against the stream, I see. What's that read on me based on, my posts or a threadread?

Your posts

If it was a thread state read I'd have specifically stated so (I also doubt ppl rlly have them, it being N0 at all)

I just like them and I feel like you wanna solve the game without rlly caring about other's opinions on you

[Caitlin]

I'm wary of Caitlin going to bat for me and betting that I'm town off of ??? reasons. Feels a bit pockety, but I'm waiting for her explanation on what her reasoning was.

Oh my how could a townie possibly townread you!

[Guillotine]

No.

Yes

...

No.

Yes! It is odd at best and sus at worse for anyone who has played with me several times to push that angle and give me a scum lean.

They aren't really pushing, they made an observation with a scumlean, and you're doing the over-the-top-knee-jerk reaction that I'd expect from town!you, but that I also don't think leads to high probability reads.

I got an extensive list of games that proves that i got high probability reads. It is not just a knee jerk reaction, caitlin is not acting like her usual town self and she will probably tell me post game that all of the reasons i caught her for are all wrong reasons,

Well the one time you caught me it was for TMI'ing the ppl I didn't know town when I... Didn't know 67% of my team

That was clearly for the wrong reasons

How could I have too much information about something incorrect

Be it as it may, it should tell you i got the nose of a canine when it comes to catching scum early day 1, whether it is for wrong reasons or not.

[Caitlin]

is there a way to just like. post a photo I have saved to my phone without needing a link to insert it

Not that I know of I always upload mine to imgbb

I always post mine in a private Discord Server so I can copy the link from there

Discord no longer allows that, they disable links to images posted outside of discord within 24 hours.

Yikes

Thats annoying

Tell me about it, i usually post my kon image from bleach in my first post, but i dont know any good free image hosting services anymore.

Rip

I'm lucky enough to barely post images, at least

I only rlly do so in lategame & in Hydra games

[Caitlin]

I will say though that Alison and Nanook are not mafia together based on those interactions, I doubt they both agree on reacting to sabi the way they did both did, specially after i called Alison LAMIST for it.

Nah, it was cooked up by two out of the three in wolf chat.

Nah, wolf Nanook does not go down the same route as wolf Alison did after seeing me eyeing Alison for it. He'd just stay away from it, i could see Nanook doing it as scum to indirectly support Alison's reaction and maybe pocket her that way.

Not loving your confidence in it at all

Small SL on you

Oh oh… caitlin goes to my scum pile then.

This is not OMGUS

It is the fact that by now, you should know that confidence is not alignment indicative for me and i hold you to higher standards than a lot of people, so i dont believe you believe that my confidence is sus, therefore your intentions are not pure.

It isn't the fact you have confidence, moreso that I think confidence isn't fit here

No? Didnt i catch you scum in a game within the first two hours of a game?

I believe i tunneled the crap out of you until you left and were replaced.


Everyone knows here that if there is someone who can develop confident reads early day 1, that is me.

Well yes you did catch me for the wrong reasons

And I already requested replacement before you caught me, there just wasnt a replacement yet

But yes, I know you can make confident reads, and I also know you often are correct, but I think your read here makes no sense and as such shouldnt be getting confidence

[Caitlin]

Yes

...

No.

Yes! It is odd at best and sus at worse for anyone who has played with me several times to push that angle and give me a scum lean.

They aren't really pushing, they made an observation with a scumlean, and you're doing the over-the-top-knee-jerk reaction that I'd expect from town!you, but that I also don't think leads to high probability reads.

I got an extensive list of games that proves that i got high probability reads. It is not just a knee jerk reaction, caitlin is not acting like her usual town self and she will probably tell me post game that all of the reasons i caught her for are all wrong reasons,

Well the one time you caught me it was for TMI'ing the ppl I didn't know town when I... Didn't know 67% of my team

That was clearly for the wrong reasons

How could I have too much information about something incorrect

Be it as it may, it should tell you i got the nose of a canine when it comes to catching scum early day 1, whether it is for wrong reasons or not.

True

I pointed out it was for the wrong reasons because you locked me for calling it for the wrong reasons earlier when the fact remains you did catch me for the wrong reasons

[Caitlin]

But you do have the nose of a canine

[WindwardAway]

What about that post says "I'm here for a good time" to you lol

They do this every other game and it sucks quite frankly

I just ignore it, it's white noise as far as I'm concerned. Not game-related and not alignment-indicative. Lots of people come in and say they hate mafia, lots of people come in and say they love mafia. I don't really give a shit, but I think making people feel even less welcome in the game just makes it worse tbh.

Sounds like they made themselves feel less welcome and we're just agreeing with them.

I think you are saying this performatively to try to pocket Sabi tbh considering that you are going out of your way to whiteknight someone who doesn't even want to be here.

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

(I am aware it's night, I'm using vote tags to indicate who I'd be voting if it was day)

I don't give a flying fuck what Sabi thinks of me if they're not reading the game. Point was that there's no need to be unnecessarily rude to people, just ignore it and move on. And I think it's slimy that you're turning this into a push on me.

You are oddly aggro in this game, what happened?

It's unrelated to the game but I will probably be in an aggro mood the entire time. If you don't want to deal with that, then I'm sorry. I'm still trying to play the game but I'm busy with a lot of irl stuff right now.

I dont have a problem with aggressive, i just think it may be alignment indicative for you even though you say it is not.

Time will tell

If you want to read my recent games you're more than welcome to

[sig]

Porscha townie too and that person with the very short name and the yellow pfp wolfy

Sig is the one I meant!

Yellow enough.

I only agree with this if yellow is good, otherwise NO YOU

Um... The post calls you wolfy...

Ooo well no you

[WindwardAway]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

Yeah, but wouldn't you normally default to thinking two wolfy unpaired players are mafia and 3P, rather than two mafia factions? Seems like quite the assumption to me, maybe I just have a different experience, but I see 3Ps frequently and almost never multiball.

[sig]

Again with Gullio attempting to link people as not being mafia, it’s too early to do this and in the long term it’ll hurt town.

It’s the same thing as trying to build a town core too early and then refusing to consider you’re wrong about said core.

Having said that I’m not sure if this is scummy or not.

[WindwardAway]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

I’ve done zero 3P hunting though, seems like you’re trying really hard to find a reason to vote for someone, but not trying really hard to find mafia.

I'm hunting for mafia, why the fuck would I vote for someone? It's still night phase.

[Guillotine]

Town caitlin never ever entertains sheeping someone whom opposes her reads.

She is more stubborn about them than myself.

Counterpoint 1: I said I would almost consider it, not that I actually would
Counterpoint 2: I have an MU alt, Porcelain Doll, where I do sheep lots since I do actually like sheeping

Well that further strengthens my read, you pretty much are saying that you wouldnt sheep as caitlin, so much, that you had to create an alt to not be associated with sheeping,

If Porcelain Doll was playing here i would put it to rest, but you are not playing as Porcelain Doll, you are playing as caitlin whom does not sheep anyone, and you saying you almost consider it is stating a form of approval for Seanzie;s post while not fully committimg to it, aka pocket.

[WindwardAway]

I will say though that Alison and Nanook are not mafia together based on those interactions, I doubt they both agree on reacting to sabi the way they did both did, specially after i called Alison LAMIST for it.

Hate this post

1. It’s way to early to not link people

2. Nobody really talks about this prior to responding

you called Guillo out on doing this, but you didn't call out my post doing the same thing (albeit with different names)?

I bet WWA is town

And I bet Cape is town too - yes I'm well aware Cape isnt involved above but I still wanna say it anyway

Going against the stream, I see. What's that read on me based on, my posts or a threadread?

Your posts

If it was a thread state read I'd have specifically stated so (I also doubt ppl rlly have them, it being N0 at all)

I just like them and I feel like you wanna solve the game without rlly caring about other's opinions on you

I generally care a lot about people's opinions of me.
Me not caring is only indicative that I have other things to do than camp the thread.

[Caitlin]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

Yeah, but wouldn't you normally default to thinking two wolfy unpaired players are mafia and 3P, rather than two mafia factions? Seems like quite the assumption to me, maybe I just have a different experience, but I see 3Ps frequently and almost never multiball.

I honestly dont think its sus for Guillo fwiw, its not like mafia would know its Town vs Mafia, Town vs Mafia vs Mafia2 or Town vs Mafia vs 3p

Sure, if he was 3p he'd know 3p rolled but then I dont see why he'd talk abt it being multiball, and ngl, even then it could be multiball

[Guillotine]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

Yeah, but wouldn't you normally default to thinking two wolfy unpaired players are mafia and 3P, rather than two mafia factions? Seems like quite the assumption to me, maybe I just have a different experience, but I see 3Ps frequently and almost never multiball.

Welcome to syndicate, the place where ive seen most of multiball games in my forum mafia life.

[WindwardAway]

I'm wary of Caitlin going to bat for me and betting that I'm town off of ??? reasons. Feels a bit pockety, but I'm waiting for her explanation on what her reasoning was.

Oh my how could a townie possibly townread you!

More often than not, it comes from wolves in my experience. Town always thinks I'm scummy, but wolves love to take the opposite stance and defend me because they know they can get me mislunched without dirtying their hands. I know that's not the case for everyone, but that's how it usually goes for me.

[Caitlin]

Town caitlin never ever entertains sheeping someone whom opposes her reads.

She is more stubborn about them than myself.

Counterpoint 1: I said I would almost consider it, not that I actually would
Counterpoint 2: I have an MU alt, Porcelain Doll, where I do sheep lots since I do actually like sheeping

Well that further strengthens my read, you pretty much are saying that you wouldnt sheep as caitlin, so much, that you had to create an alt to not be associated with sheeping,

If Porcelain Doll was playing here i would put it to rest, but you are not playing as Porcelain Doll, you are playing as caitlin whom does not sheep anyone, and you saying you almost consider it is stating a form of approval for Seanzie;s post while not fully committimg to it, aka pocket.

Counterpoint 3: Counterpoint 1

[Caitlin]

I will say though that Alison and Nanook are not mafia together based on those interactions, I doubt they both agree on reacting to sabi the way they did both did, specially after i called Alison LAMIST for it.

Hate this post

1. It’s way to early to not link people

2. Nobody really talks about this prior to responding

you called Guillo out on doing this, but you didn't call out my post doing the same thing (albeit with different names)?

I bet WWA is town

And I bet Cape is town too - yes I'm well aware Cape isnt involved above but I still wanna say it anyway

Going against the stream, I see. What's that read on me based on, my posts or a threadread?

Your posts

If it was a thread state read I'd have specifically stated so (I also doubt ppl rlly have them, it being N0 at all)

I just like them and I feel like you wanna solve the game without rlly caring about other's opinions on you

I generally care a lot about people's opinions of me.
Me not caring is only indicative that I have other things to do than camp the thread.

Hm?

[Guillotine]

And just for the record, im not hunting for multiple mafia, even if there are in this game, tjey are all scum to me.

[Caitlin]

I'm wary of Caitlin going to bat for me and betting that I'm town off of ??? reasons. Feels a bit pockety, but I'm waiting for her explanation on what her reasoning was.

Oh my how could a townie possibly townread you!

More often than not, it comes from wolves in my experience. Town always thinks I'm scummy, but wolves love to take the opposite stance and defend me because they know they can get me mislunched without dirtying their hands. I know that's not the case for everyone, but that's how it usually goes for me.

The only recent time we played, on FoL, I correctly townread you too when you were a consensus scumread too

So that already should function as an indication that maybe town!me is capable of townreading you

[sig]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

I’ve done zero 3P hunting though, seems like you’re trying really hard to find a reason to vote for someone, but not trying really hard to find mafia.

I'm hunting for mafia, why the fuck would I vote for someone? It's still night phase.

I wasn’t responding to you, but really weird how defensive you got and the sudden tone change.

[Caitlin]

And just for the record, im not hunting for multiple mafia, even if there are in this game, tjey are all scum to me.

I play like this too

I'll see any scumread on a non-townie as a personal victory

For solving purposes ofc I'll take diff scum in account

[WindwardAway]

Again with Gullio attempting to link people as not being mafia, it’s too early to do this and in the long term it’ll hurt town.

It’s the same thing as trying to build a town core too early and then refusing to consider you’re wrong about said core.

Having said that I’m not sure if this is scummy or not.

Hard disagree with all of this, but it's probably a playstyle thing. Flipless association reads are a bit hit or miss, I get that, since they're only worthwhile if you see a wolf flip (a town flip from a paired/unpaired read you made previously gives you close to nothing). But I think building an early towncore is a very solid strategy, as long as you're willing to weigh in regularly and reevaluate if there's evidence pointing the other way.

[sig]

Also multi scum team and third parties wouldn’t be out of place on TS especially for a 30 person game

[Caitlin]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

I’ve done zero 3P hunting though, seems like you’re trying really hard to find a reason to vote for someone, but not trying really hard to find mafia.

I'm hunting for mafia, why the fuck would I vote for someone? It's still night phase.

I wasn’t responding to you, but really weird how defensive you got and the sudden tone change.

Thought about pointing out the first thing too but I was anxious I maybe misunderstood

I dont think defensiveness is scummy, at all

[Guillotine]

Town caitlin never ever entertains sheeping someone whom opposes her reads.

She is more stubborn about them than myself.

Counterpoint 1: I said I would almost consider it, not that I actually would
Counterpoint 2: I have an MU alt, Porcelain Doll, where I do sheep lots since I do actually like sheeping

Well that further strengthens my read, you pretty much are saying that you wouldnt sheep as caitlin, so much, that you had to create an alt to not be associated with sheeping,

If Porcelain Doll was playing here i would put it to rest, but you are not playing as Porcelain Doll, you are playing as caitlin whom does not sheep anyone, and you saying you almost consider it is stating a form of approval for Seanzie;s post while not fully committimg to it, aka pocket.

Counterpoint 3: Counterpoint 1

We are going in circles here, you are not changing my mind and im not going to make you accept that im right.

What is your read on Neon, as far as i remember, you can soul read each other.

[WindwardAway]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

Yeah, but wouldn't you normally default to thinking two wolfy unpaired players are mafia and 3P, rather than two mafia factions? Seems like quite the assumption to me, maybe I just have a different experience, but I see 3Ps frequently and almost never multiball.

I honestly dont think its sus for Guillo fwiw, its not like mafia would know its Town vs Mafia, Town vs Mafia vs Mafia2 or Town vs Mafia vs 3p

Sure, if he was 3p he'd know 3p rolled but then I dont see why he'd talk abt it being multiball, and ngl, even then it could be multiball

Yeah but I feel like he might know something and he mentioned multiball to throw us off, so that he can later say "see, it wasn't TMI!"

[WindwardAway]

Alison and caitlin are both scummy but they dont make sense as partners. Maybe this is a multiball game and they are both scum from different teams.

Why do you jump to thinking it's multiball and not that one of them could be a 3p/SK?

Because i never hunt for 3Ps unless there are solid indications they exist.

Now it is possible that there are 3Ps here, but do i care about them? No.

Why? Cause they are harder to find, if they are solo scum, they act like town with a different win condition, also it is in their best interest to kill scum first as much as it is to us cause well, scum could kill them too.


I never hunt for 3Ps unless im scum for that same reason, and it is that reason i suspect Sig for.

Yeah, but wouldn't you normally default to thinking two wolfy unpaired players are mafia and 3P, rather than two mafia factions? Seems like quite the assumption to me, maybe I just have a different experience, but I see 3Ps frequently and almost never multiball.

Welcome to syndicate, the place where ive seen most of multiball games in my forum mafia life.

Ok, maybe I just don't play on here often enough.

[WindwardAway]

Hate this post

1. It’s way to early to not link people

2. Nobody really talks about this prior to responding

you called Guillo out on doing this, but you didn't call out my post doing the same thing (albeit with different names)?

I bet WWA is town

And I bet Cape is town too - yes I'm well aware Cape isnt involved above but I still wanna say it anyway

Going against the stream, I see. What's that read on me based on, my posts or a threadread?

Your posts

If it was a thread state read I'd have specifically stated so (I also doubt ppl rlly have them, it being N0 at all)

I just like them and I feel like you wanna solve the game without rlly caring about other's opinions on you

I generally care a lot about people's opinions of me.
Me not caring is only indicative that I have other things to do than camp the thread.

Hm?

I mean it's not towny from me. I'm super self-aware so usually I'll try to engage everyone who gives an opinion on me and then form my reads from that. I'm only half-assing it this time because I don't have the energy.