Game of Champions: East Facility (Night 2)

[WindwardAway]

Arrr

Is this a post from a bot?

Well the title says it's a puppet account
By bot, I meant it isn't a separate player slot, but idk who it's tied to

[WindwardAway]

Please give thoughts on Creature if you have any

No thoughts, haven't read sowwy

Ok
Would like to hear them if you have any later

[WindwardAway]

Gotta go for now, probably if I return it'll be past deadline but we'll see

[Michelle]

Arrr

Is this a post from a bot?

Well the title says it's a puppet account
By bot, I meant it isn't a separate player slot, but idk who it's tied to

The secret santa list also has an unknown name.
I guess Davos it's a player from the other thread with a puppet account.
If they are on the poll and can vote that also means they can be chopped. But idk if they are scum.

[Creature]

Yeah we aren't lynching puppet account today

[Creature]

Let's try ordering (without Davos):

Guillotine/Creature
Michelle
WindwardAway
Cape90
---
RondoDimBuckle
Lemonfairy
nutella
---
Sabiplz
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
---
Alison
Lime Coke

Players I haven't read: DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[Creature]

Let's try ordering (without Davos):

Guillotine/Creature
Michelle
WindwardAway
Cape90
---
RondoDimBuckle
Lemonfairy
nutella
---
Sabiplz
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
---
Alison
Lime Coke

Players I haven't read: DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Most of these reads are gth ftr

Third tier being very close to null and second tier being slightly above null

[Creature]

Let's try ordering (without Davos):

Guillotine/Creature
Michelle
WindwardAway
Cape90
---
RondoDimBuckle
Lemonfairy
nutella
---
Sabiplz
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
---
Alison
Lime Coke

Players I haven't read: DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

The townreads match a lot with Lime Coke's townreads though

If he is wolf I am prob wrong in like two names in the townreads

[Michelle]

Let's try ordering (without Davos):

Guillotine/Creature
Michelle
WindwardAway
Cape90
---
RondoDimBuckle
Lemonfairy
nutella
---
Sabiplz
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
---
Alison
Lime Coke

Players I haven't read: DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Most of these reads are gth ftr

Third tier being very close to null and second tier being slightly above null

Please look closer at the null part. Players who don't give town vibe enough to be town read can be mafia aiming for the null reads part of townies'

[Creature]

Let's try ordering (without Davos):

Guillotine/Creature
Michelle
WindwardAway
Cape90
---
RondoDimBuckle
Lemonfairy
nutella
---
Sabiplz
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
---
Alison
Lime Coke

Players I haven't read: DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Most of these reads are gth ftr

Third tier being very close to null and second tier being slightly above null

Please look closer at the null part. Players who don't give town vibe enough to be town read can be mafia aiming for the null reads part of townies'

To be fair, my null list is composed of players whose wolfgame I respect and hence I don't know how to read them without tinfoiling.

[Alison]

Guillo too egotistical to be mafia now

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
This conclusion came way too late to be real

i didnt post between that and the post where I voted guillo mate

It doesn't matter. You play with level zero conclusions and Guillo can be an egoistical scum as well.
One mash he invented an event puzzle to keep town busy and it worked very well. The fact he run out of patience it's not the reason I consider him town, it was his content who feels towny, content you ignored in the moment you voted him

I'm just going to say it. People who don't play with level zero conclusions are bad at mafia. Or they're good in spite of the fact that they don't play with level zero conclusions.

[Alison]

The silly premise is that -- the argument that does exist for the idea of pressuring a zero poster is not that they are lurking the thread but that they have teammates in mafia chat who would alert them to their pressure and remind them to post. I do think that this is a silly premise that almost never comes up in reality. However, you did not even consider that and only assumed Lime would have to discover the vote on his own. Hence it could be that you know there's no chance Lime would have a wolf chat to notify him


Yes it's a stretch but occasionally minor perspective issues like this are legit

i think we've all randed mafia with afk teammates enough to know that pinging them in scumchat and go "yo you're getting run up" doesn't do anything. lol

this post reminded me of a thought I had

I feel like the low posters of night 0 are more likely to be wolf, like 10 posts under/or fluffing the entire time.

I just remember when I was in Battle of the Bands mafia as mafia, and this game was sort of nightless, but while town was posting content then, i was like "haha no im not gonna do that" like the entire game, and i feel like the same can be said for people participating in night 0 of this game, probably to a lesser extent but still.

it's probably NAI

[Master Radishes]

Radishes posts feels like work. No joy

This is how I feel about your posts a bit! Maybe we just lack joy in our lives.

[Sabiplz]

Let's try ordering (without Davos):

Guillotine/Creature
Michelle
WindwardAway
Cape90
---
RondoDimBuckle
Lemonfairy
nutella
---
Sabiplz
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
---
Alison
Lime Coke

Players I haven't read: DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Most of these reads are gth ftr

Third tier being very close to null and second tier being slightly above null

Please look closer at the null part. Players who don't give town vibe enough to be town read can be mafia aiming for the null reads part of townies'

To be fair, my null list is composed of players whose wolfgame I respect and hence I don't know how to read them without tinfoiling.

My wolf game is dogshit lately

[Sabiplz]

I think thread needs more fun and hype.

Maybe music.

Maybe something.

Even catching up just feels like a slog fest.

I'm aware I'm not helping.

[Sabiplz]

Anyway cape im cooling on.

Rondo and Wilgz I'm squinting at.

Idk if Brad is wolf who is burnt out or just bored townie.

Mr/dizzy interactions are pinging me but I don't have the spoons to dissect it now so will look at later.

[Master Radishes]

I think thread needs more fun and hype.

Maybe music.

Maybe something.

Even catching up just feels like a slog fest.

I'm aware I'm not helping.

Perhaps there is a recurring joke, or 'meme' as the kids may say, that we could bandy about.

[Master Radishes]

Mr/dizzy interactions are pinging me but I don't have the spoons to dissect it now so will look at later.

They're pinging me too! This is not how I'm used to interacting with Dizzy.

[Sabiplz]

Nutella seems town but hate their push on wwa.

Wwa is just town.

Michelle is probably town.

Idk ahhh

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Keeping things interesting.

[Sabiplz]

Mr/dizzy interactions are pinging me but I don't have the spoons to dissect it now so will look at later.

They're pinging me too! This is not how I'm used to interacting with Dizzy.

What could it mean

[Sabiplz]

I'm so tired at work. I apologize for more thoughts

[Master Radishes]

Mr/dizzy interactions are pinging me but I don't have the spoons to dissect it now so will look at later.

They're pinging me too! This is not how I'm used to interacting with Dizzy.

What could it mean

Well, I see four possibilities.

1) He's a wolf and I'm town.

2) He's town and I'm town.

3) He's town and I'm wolf.

4) He's wolf and I'm wolf.

[Master Radishes]

Oh no wait I forgot about the 3P factor.

That's another few options.

[Master Radishes]

Anyway, for srs now, Dizzy and I have mostly towned together and in our heydeys we 'got' each other and vibed quite hard in our games. But I do remember in a previous game (possibly two? I remember one on MU and I thought there was a previous GoC? Might be confusing things though) w!Dizzy pivoted onto pushing v!me in a manner that mildly pinged me, but I don't remember how any of it turned out now.

Anyway, something about him wolfreading me here suddenly and without substance felt off. It seems lazy, which is not an adjective I associate with Dizzy, even a mildly slanky version of him.

But there's an honest chance it's just old-man-Dizzy being actually half-assing it a bit here, which is an approach I'm very familiar with for myself. So it might just be he noticed my posts because of our good times together and since I'm not doing too much yet he felt I might actually be wolf without reading very closely.

[Master Radishes]

Basically if Dizzy turns up scum I'm going to claim credit but I'm not really thinking about pushing there at the moment.

[Master Radishes]

I'm on board with Alison or Brad btw.

Both are showing attitudes I've seen from wolf them lately. Have scummed with both recently ish.

To expand on this, now that I'm at a computer,

Alison played a game on CDC recently where we wolfed together. She clearly wasn't invested and lazily bussed her entire team for almost the entire game. Like she didn't even try to fake things, she just skipped wolfchat and popped into thread now and then to aggressively push several teammates. I don't know about bussing here, but she has a similar attitude of someone who has stopped trying to actually try at playing, and is lazily being a bit aggressive because that's what is expected of her. Her heart doesn't seem in it. It's in it more here than that CDC game, but I get a similar vibe.

As for Brad, there was a game on MU where I subbed in to a doomed wolfteam he was on, and he was doing okay D1 but the town was coming together and was sniffing him (and me) out. His posts were fine on their own (town was pretty good tbh) but his approach to shrugging off suspicion was not based on sounding towny on words and actions, but more so based on affecting a casual, lighthearted, just-having-fun attitude (like getting super excited in thread when I subbed in). Basically he didn't have time or energy to fake 'solve' to look good, so he overcompensated on his tone/persona instead. And so far he is pretty much all casual, lighthearted, just-having0fun tone/persona. (That said, there's implications in what he's said about why this is, so I dunno.)


I'm not pinning my entire read on this sort of silly meta read or anything. But both are hitting a vibe, in their own way, I feel I recognise from recent wolf games.

[nutella]

Sigh..

Inb4 Brad is a jester and he just wants to win...

Lol that is one of the 2023 games huh.

[nutella]

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Radishes
Rondo

^wolves

Lol

You only ever wolf read me when you're a wolf.

I do not recall

Only recall wolf reading you correctly in our first game

And then a bunch of iconic town games together

Kind of think you’re wolf

This reply bad

You want to call me wolf here?

Spicy

[DrWilgy]

Anyway cape im cooling on.

Rondo and Wilgz I'm squinting at.

Idk if Brad is wolf who is burnt out or just bored townie.

Mr/dizzy interactions are pinging me but I don't have the spoons to dissect it now so will look at later.

You've been squinting at me for 36 hours. Something in your eye?

[nutella]

ut the posts I saw from you here in this thread, that I've read so far, feel like you're actually trying to sort out people's alignments and not like you're slapping words into paragraphs to look towny. During N0 I thought it was the latter, but I've changed my mind.

this was the mindmeld @Cape90

sorry i got busy with work and have been catching up slowly in between

[nutella]

Radishes posts feels like work. No joy
Kind of think he's wolf

But he won't be chopped today

Lime will be chopped
So hope he decided to screw wolves over and not town over
But kind of maybe doubt it
But also sure

Radish/Rondo interaction beep beep
Maybe
Don't know about Rondo otherwise tbh

I want to give Guillo the benefit of the doubt
But him tryharding and a couple of the things he's said
About me being good at mafia and pretending to not follow the game
Think it's slightly more likely he says it as mafia than town maybe
I think generally Guillo is motivated by showing competence
If he cares about being right and cares about catching wolves, he can be town
If he cares about someone going oh that was a well played wolf game good faking, he can be wolf
Maybe someone who has read his posts has an idea

Sponge says Nut and Michelle are town

Unsure if Nook has the right vibes actually, it's hrm

Hope the other thread gives Leetic a chance, cause they are easy to read over time
Read their ISO from D0 and it was more flat than usual, but the complaining was consistent with town games

That's about it. Have read very little tbh

I like this post

[Sabiplz]

Anyway cape im cooling on.

Rondo and Wilgz I'm squinting at.

Idk if Brad is wolf who is burnt out or just bored townie.

Mr/dizzy interactions are pinging me but I don't have the spoons to dissect it now so will look at later.

You've been squinting at me for 36 hours. Something in your eye?

Like I said the nutella stuff weirded me out and you haven't done much since to put out those fears for me

[Master Radishes]

Radishes posts feels like work. No joy
Kind of think he's wolf

But he won't be chopped today

Lime will be chopped
So hope he decided to screw wolves over and not town over
But kind of maybe doubt it
But also sure

Radish/Rondo interaction beep beep
Maybe
Don't know about Rondo otherwise tbh

I want to give Guillo the benefit of the doubt
But him tryharding and a couple of the things he's said
About me being good at mafia and pretending to not follow the game
Think it's slightly more likely he says it as mafia than town maybe
I think generally Guillo is motivated by showing competence
If he cares about being right and cares about catching wolves, he can be town
If he cares about someone going oh that was a well played wolf game good faking, he can be wolf
Maybe someone who has read his posts has an idea

Sponge says Nut and Michelle are town

Unsure if Nook has the right vibes actually, it's hrm

Hope the other thread gives Leetic a chance, cause they are easy to read over time
Read their ISO from D0 and it was more flat than usual, but the complaining was consistent with town games

That's about it. Have read very little tbh

I like this post

Really

[Sabiplz]

Who tf is sponge

[nutella]

Oh right secret santa thing Seanzie @Scotty @S~V~S
(i hope it's a good thing)

[Sabiplz]

Radishes posts feels like work. No joy
Kind of think he's wolf

But he won't be chopped today

Lime will be chopped
So hope he decided to screw wolves over and not town over
But kind of maybe doubt it
But also sure

Radish/Rondo interaction beep beep
Maybe
Don't know about Rondo otherwise tbh

I want to give Guillo the benefit of the doubt
But him tryharding and a couple of the things he's said
About me being good at mafia and pretending to not follow the game
Think it's slightly more likely he says it as mafia than town maybe
I think generally Guillo is motivated by showing competence
If he cares about being right and cares about catching wolves, he can be town
If he cares about someone going oh that was a well played wolf game good faking, he can be wolf
Maybe someone who has read his posts has an idea

Sponge says Nut and Michelle are town

Unsure if Nook has the right vibes actually, it's hrm

Hope the other thread gives Leetic a chance, cause they are easy to read over time
Read their ISO from D0 and it was more flat than usual, but the complaining was consistent with town games

That's about it. Have read very little tbh

I like this post

Uhhh there really isn't much in there.... How

[Cape90]

Mr/dizzy interactions are pinging me but I don't have the spoons to dissect it now so will look at later.

They're pinging me too! This is not how I'm used to interacting with Dizzy.

What could it mean

Well, I see four possibilities.

1) He's a wolf and I'm town.

2) He's town and I'm town.

3) He's town and I'm wolf.

4) He's wolf and I'm wolf.

why are you exercising worlds in which you are wolf? if you are town, you know they are not true

[Sabiplz]

Literally the post is all wishy washy hedge fest. More hedge than the maze at the shining hotel

[Cape90]

Forgot one other I wanted to look back into.

WindwardAway - Not entirely sure what to make of WWA's night 0 content looking back, there are a few things here and there, a lot of talking about themselves, trying to wrap my head around what I think of this night 0 post #444night0. I kinda wish Caitlin was here just so i could make heads or tails of WWA's comment on Caitlin back there. The mentality of WWA going in this cycle of declaring they should not be townread and only scum townreads them, but at the same time, people should be townreading WindwardAway, is confusing and kind of exhausting lol.

Question for @WindwardAway #53,very early today you have said yourself that Alison had an agenda to push you, and this was really the only real outed read you had on Alison, so then why'd you say there were better places to push, I know you have had your whole nutella and Sabi push thing, but what made alison less pushable in your eyes then the other people you were focusing on?

WWA feels very glued to the falcon/nutella thing. I have caught wolves in this fashion where they get stuck on a topic and milk it forever and ever. Yes I know they are busy so I will give them space, but yeah. I find #572 a kind of scummy post. I feel like WWA talked in circles on Rondo which is kinda weird.

I am curious about WWA's later read on me since they have claimed my posts have been "OK so far" without having deep dived into me.

Ok I take back my previous question a few posts up lol
I should finish reading before I reply more

I meant your posts in real-time when I was see I was you post felt OK. I didn't deep dive and I really don't have time rn cause my schedule is hectic and I don't think I'll actually get any ISOs done before eod like I thought I would earlier. But the posts I saw from you here in this thread, that I've read so far, feel like you're actually trying to sort out people's alignments and not like you're slapping words into paragraphs to look towny. During N0 I thought it was the latter, but I've changed my mind.

you called me town in night 0 though

[Sabiplz]

Nutella you literally said the wolves will be those that are blendy

Yet you go and like the most blendy post in the thread.

How

[Master Radishes]

Literally the post is all wishy washy hedge fest. More hedge than the maze at the shining hotel

Eh. I wouldn't go that far. Some of it is fine. I actually find his reasoning for his read on me something that could be a real thought, for one. Other bits look lacklustre on the surface but are saying more.

But I don't really think it's an unfakeable post that would make someone sharp like nutella decide to bring it up and say it's good.

[nutella]

I'm on board with Alison or Brad btw.

Both are showing attitudes I've seen from wolf them lately. Have scummed with both recently ish.

To expand on this, now that I'm at a computer,

Alison played a game on CDC recently where we wolfed together. She clearly wasn't invested and lazily bussed her entire team for almost the entire game. Like she didn't even try to fake things, she just skipped wolfchat and popped into thread now and then to aggressively push several teammates. I don't know about bussing here, but she has a similar attitude of someone who has stopped trying to actually try at playing, and is lazily being a bit aggressive because that's what is expected of her. Her heart doesn't seem in it. It's in it more here than that CDC game, but I get a similar vibe.

As for Brad, there was a game on MU where I subbed in to a doomed wolfteam he was on, and he was doing okay D1 but the town was coming together and was sniffing him (and me) out. His posts were fine on their own (town was pretty good tbh) but his approach to shrugging off suspicion was not based on sounding towny on words and actions, but more so based on affecting a casual, lighthearted, just-having-fun attitude (like getting super excited in thread when I subbed in). Basically he didn't have time or energy to fake 'solve' to look good, so he overcompensated on his tone/persona instead. And so far he is pretty much all casual, lighthearted, just-having0fun tone/persona. (That said, there's implications in what he's said about why this is, so I dunno.)


I'm not pinning my entire read on this sort of silly meta read or anything. But both are hitting a vibe, in their own way, I feel I recognise from recent wolf games.

I like this post

[nutella]

Be friends u two

[Sabiplz]

There is literally no organic thought in that post.

[Master Radishes]

Mr/dizzy interactions are pinging me but I don't have the spoons to dissect it now so will look at later.

They're pinging me too! This is not how I'm used to interacting with Dizzy.

What could it mean

Well, I see four possibilities.

1) He's a wolf and I'm town.

2) He's town and I'm town.

3) He's town and I'm wolf.

4) He's wolf and I'm wolf.

why are you exercising worlds in which you are wolf? if you are town, you know they are not true

I can't always tell if my jokes are bad or just so advanced that they go over peoples heads. Probably the former.

Anyway I was being facetious.

[Cape90]

Radishes posts feels like work. No joy
Kind of think he's wolf

But he won't be chopped today

Lime will be chopped
So hope he decided to screw wolves over and not town over
But kind of maybe doubt it
But also sure

Radish/Rondo interaction beep beep
Maybe
Don't know about Rondo otherwise tbh

I want to give Guillo the benefit of the doubt
But him tryharding and a couple of the things he's said
About me being good at mafia and pretending to not follow the game
Think it's slightly more likely he says it as mafia than town maybe
I think generally Guillo is motivated by showing competence
If he cares about being right and cares about catching wolves, he can be town
If he cares about someone going oh that was a well played wolf game good faking, he can be wolf
Maybe someone who has read his posts has an idea

Sponge says Nut and Michelle are town

Unsure if Nook has the right vibes actually, it's hrm

Hope the other thread gives Leetic a chance, cause they are easy to read over time
Read their ISO from D0 and it was more flat than usual, but the complaining was consistent with town games

That's about it. Have read very little tbh

if it makes you feel any better, i do think you are good at the game. I also feel like Guillo said this before about you, but i fail to remember things

[nutella]

Literally the post is all wishy washy hedge fest. More hedge than the maze at the shining hotel

It's classic town dizzy stream of consciousness. Like you can literally see them thinking in the post. It's super legible to me as a mindset

[Sabiplz]

Literally the post is all wishy washy hedge fest. More hedge than the maze at the shining hotel

Eh. I wouldn't go that far. Some of it is fine. I actually find his reasoning for his read on me something that could be a real thought, for one. Other bits look lacklustre on the surface but are saying more.

But I don't really think it's an unfakeable post that would make someone sharp like nutella decide to bring it up and say it's good.

I digress. What parts do you think are saying more

[nutella]

Nutella you literally said the wolves will be those that are blendy

Yet you go and like the most blendy post in the thread.

How

It literally isn't blendy? He gave pretty original thoughts there