Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [LEGION CONQUEST]

[Dunnstral]

What would you expect from Michelle if they were mafia?

[falcon45ca]

What would you expect from Michelle if they were mafia?

Oh, ya know...fewer posts, less words








What should I expect from you if you're Mafia?

[Manny]

Why would you do such thing?

Why shouldnt i, are u not town?.

[Manny]

Your posting style makes me think you are trying to get by on a vibe read this game. Your townreads feel similar to what other people at the time were saying without explaining why you think so.

Why is trying to get by on vibe reads mafia indicative?. You arent wrong on me doing that but i dont think is particularly AI.
Brad is a meta read, Scotty was a tone read, i could go look up the posts that made me have those reads but why bother when like u said its similar to the consensus?

[Dunnstral]

What would you expect from Michelle if they were mafia?

Oh, ya know...fewer posts, less words








What should I expect from you if you're Mafia?

I don't know how to describe myself as mafia.

[Dunnstral]

Your posting style makes me think you are trying to get by on a vibe read this game. Your townreads feel similar to what other people at the time were saying without explaining why you think so.

Why is trying to get by on vibe reads mafia indicative?. You arent wrong on me doing that but i dont think is particularly AI.
Brad is a meta read, Scotty was a tone read, i could go look up the posts that made me have those reads but why bother when like u said its similar to the consensus?

I believe it is mafia indicative because I believe mafia like to try to get themself into a stable position where they are not a real consideration for the elimination. That is their main goal at the start of the game and it tends to be effective to look "towny" early.

You should bother to explain your reads so we know how you reached your conclusions. Your process can be more important than the result. You saying it is consensus anyway is not helpful.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: dunn] aubergine

[Dunnstral]

What is your reasoning for that vote?

[Dunnstral]

Morning again.

Soo, Scotty decided I deserve a vote because I didn't like his game start, choose to change the vibe by a huge nothinburger meta post, btw a 17er needs 4 wolves imo and an 18er would add a kind of survivor, or jester, something unrelated much with the other 17.
Without flips this has littls value anyway

Brad why did you accept me in your pocket if you don't town read me?
#jumps out :pout:
Now I'll search for other comfy pockets...

Also, +1 to Sean because made me smile.
Long Con keeps the top town position.
Brad is ok-ish even if he has empty pockets ^^
If Scotty thinks he knows Brad I have news, we were hydra partners recently so I can make my own attempt to read Brad without Scotty's "help"
Aand Scotty is still underwhelming

The newcomer, welcome to the site! I need more from them.

Anyone else didn't show AI stuff imo.

Michelle is town

Do you think Michelle would not make posts like this if they were mafia?

I mean, maybe?






But also, no

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Compared to the above game where Michelle was mafia, especially since we are in the early game she does seem to be much more verbose in this game and they seem more focused as well. So I would agree.

[Michelle]

Why would you do such thing?

Why shouldnt i, are u not town?.

It's not about me, it's about you.
I want to understand how come after enough games as either alignaments you have to sheep someone to read me

[falcon45ca]

What is your reasoning for that vote?

Does paranoia count, or do I need like DNA evidence or sumfin'?

[Michelle]

Morning again.

Soo, Scotty decided I deserve a vote because I didn't like his game start, choose to change the vibe by a huge nothinburger meta post, btw a 17er needs 4 wolves imo and an 18er would add a kind of survivor, or jester, something unrelated much with the other 17.
Without flips this has littls value anyway

Brad why did you accept me in your pocket if you don't town read me?
#jumps out
Now I'll search for other comfy pockets...

Also, +1 to Sean because made me smile.
Long Con keeps the top town position.
Brad is ok-ish even if he has empty pockets ^^
If Scotty thinks he knows Brad I have news, we were hydra partners recently so I can make my own attempt to read Brad without Scotty's "help"
Aand Scotty is still underwhelming

The newcomer, welcome to the site! I need more from them.

Anyone else didn't show AI stuff imo.

Michelle is town

Do you think Michelle would not make posts like this if they were mafia?

I mean, maybe?






But also, no

search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&t=25 ... &start=100

Compared to the above game where Michelle was mafia, especially since we are in the early game she does seem to be much more verbose in this game and they seem more focused as well. So I would agree.

Do you think a simple comparison with one game is giving you a decent meta read?

[Michelle]

I mean that was either too late to be genuine or too fast after Falcon made the statement.

Feels fabricated.

[Michelle]

Also
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

And to all who didn't greet me, a pox on your houses

What if I live in a tent?

[Dunnstral]

Do you think a simple comparison with one game is giving you a decent meta read?

I was looking to see if I could find you posting like the post Falcon quoted in your mafia game, but you don't do it until what seems like the latter half of that game. In the first half your posting looks quite different.

[Dunnstral]

I mean that was either too late to be genuine or too fast after Falcon made the statement.

Feels fabricated.

Well this doesn't make sense. It was too late or too fast.

[falcon45ca]

I'm not greeting @MacDougall until he lifts the influenza from my bivouac

[Michelle]

Do you think a simple comparison with one game is giving you a decent meta read?

I was looking to see if I could find you posting like the post Falcon quoted in your mafia game, but you don't do it until what seems like the latter half of that game. In the first half your posting looks quite different.

That's irrelevant. I have alot more games posting one liners as town

I mean that was either too late to be genuine or too fast after Falcon made the statement.

Feels fabricated.

Well this doesn't make sense. It was too late or too fast.

Too late to be your concern since I made the post, to soon to start digging for meta only because Falcon mentioned it. That's my impression, that it's not a natural process of solving.
I checked the time frame, why did you look after it after Falcon voted you?

[Dunnstral]

Do you think a simple comparison with one game is giving you a decent meta read?

I was looking to see if I could find you posting like the post Falcon quoted in your mafia game, but you don't do it until what seems like the latter half of that game. In the first half your posting looks quite different.

That's irrelevant. I have alot more games posting one liners as town

I mean that was either too late to be genuine or too fast after Falcon made the statement.

Feels fabricated.

Well this doesn't make sense. It was too late or too fast.

Too late to be your concern since I made the post, to soon to start digging for meta only because Falcon mentioned it. That's my impression, that it's not a natural process of solving.
I checked the time frame, why did you look after it after Falcon voted you?

I found Falcon suspicious and wanted to see if what seemed like a meta read on you was easily disprovable, as that is the bulk of their posting so far. Not so much because I was looking into your own alignment.

[falcon45ca]

Do you think a simple comparison with one game is giving you a decent meta read?

I was looking to see if I could find you posting like the post Falcon quoted in your mafia game, but you don't do it until what seems like the latter half of that game. In the first half your posting looks quite different.

That's irrelevant. I have alot more games posting one liners as town

I mean that was either too late to be genuine or too fast after Falcon made the statement.

Feels fabricated.

Well this doesn't make sense. It was too late or too fast.

Too late to be your concern since I made the post, to soon to start digging for meta only because Falcon mentioned it. That's my impression, that it's not a natural process of solving.
I checked the time frame, why did you look after it after Falcon voted you?

I found Falcon suspicious and wanted to see if what seemed like a meta read on you was easily disprovable, as that is the bulk of their posting so far. Not so much because I was looking into your own alignment.

Do you normally assume that Maf make easily disprovable meta reads with the bulk of their posting?

[Michelle]

I'll say that the quick meta town read from Dunn looks TMI-ish to me.

Also Manny's sheep on others so lazily is also a thing I don't trust.

I am still thinking at these, any feedback is welcomed

[Dunnstral]

Do you think a simple comparison with one game is giving you a decent meta read?

I was looking to see if I could find you posting like the post Falcon quoted in your mafia game, but you don't do it until what seems like the latter half of that game. In the first half your posting looks quite different.

That's irrelevant. I have alot more games posting one liners as town

I mean that was either too late to be genuine or too fast after Falcon made the statement.

Feels fabricated.

Well this doesn't make sense. It was too late or too fast.

Too late to be your concern since I made the post, to soon to start digging for meta only because Falcon mentioned it. That's my impression, that it's not a natural process of solving.
I checked the time frame, why did you look after it after Falcon voted you?

I found Falcon suspicious and wanted to see if what seemed like a meta read on you was easily disprovable, as that is the bulk of their posting so far. Not so much because I was looking into your own alignment.

Do you normally assume that Maf make easily disprovable meta reads with the bulk of their posting?

Is this not what you were doing, and what I was questioning you about?

I didn't assume anything - I compared to another game.

[Dunnstral]

I'll say that the quick meta town read from Dunn looks TMI-ish to me.

Well that's not what happened as I've said.

[Michelle]

I'll say that the quick meta town read from Dunn looks TMI-ish to me.

Well that's not what happened as I've said.

Do you have reads on everyone who posted?



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User NamePosts
☆Princess Abigail☆62
Lime Coke46
Dunnstral30
Scotty29
Michelle27
Chelsea14
Manny12
falcon45ca11
Seanzie11
Long Con8
MacDougall8
JaggedJimmyJay7
Creature4
Epignosis3
Justplayingitcool1
TonyStarkPrime1

@DarlingMonroe
@Jackofhearts2005
@LanMisa
@sig
The game started, come play!

[Manny]

You should bother to explain your reads so we know how you reached your conclusions. Your process can be more important than the result. You saying it is consensus anyway is not helpful.

I disagree with this, people can read my allignment without me doing so, i'd probably bother trying to towntell harder and doing said things if i was in the chopping block but i dont think is useful when it comes to either my solving process or town/scumhunting shrug. Mostly because its fakeable as fuck its easy to come up with bullshit reasons for any read.

It's not about me, it's about you.
I want to understand how come after enough games as either alignaments you have to sheep someone to read me

Why does it surprise u considering last time we were v/v was on the hydra game with waza and i just blindsheeped his read on u then, i have no reason to scumread u right now so there's no point in going against consensus and just sheeping and hoping its right makes solving by POE easier.

[Dunnstral]

I'll say that the quick meta town read from Dunn looks TMI-ish to me.

Well that's not what happened as I've said.

Do you have reads on everyone who posted?



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User NamePosts
☆Princess Abigail☆62
Lime Coke46
Dunnstral30
Scotty29
Michelle27
Chelsea14
Manny12
falcon45ca11
Seanzie11
Long Con8
MacDougall8
JaggedJimmyJay7
Creature4
Epignosis3
Justplayingitcool1
TonyStarkPrime1

@DarlingMonroe
@Jackofhearts2005
@LanMisa
@sig
The game started, come play!

Towny:
☆Princess Abigail☆
Lime Coke
Michelle


Scummy:
Manny
Macdougall


The rest I'm either in the middle or have no opinion on.

[falcon45ca]

Do you think a simple comparison with one game is giving you a decent meta read?

I was looking to see if I could find you posting like the post Falcon quoted in your mafia game, but you don't do it until what seems like the latter half of that game. In the first half your posting looks quite different.

That's irrelevant. I have alot more games posting one liners as town

I mean that was either too late to be genuine or too fast after Falcon made the statement.

Feels fabricated.

Well this doesn't make sense. It was too late or too fast.

Too late to be your concern since I made the post, to soon to start digging for meta only because Falcon mentioned it. That's my impression, that it's not a natural process of solving.
I checked the time frame, why did you look after it after Falcon voted you?

I found Falcon suspicious and wanted to see if what seemed like a meta read on you was easily disprovable, as that is the bulk of their posting so far. Not so much because I was looking into your own alignment.

Do you normally assume that Maf make easily disprovable meta reads with the bulk of their posting?

Is this not what you were doing, and what I was questioning you about?

I didn't assume anything - I compared to another game.

I was making a meta read on a player whom I'm quite familiar with...you took that as suspicious for reasons? And now are framing it as tho my single post TRing Michelle is the bulk of my posting







If you're not able to describe your Maf game, how about your Town game? What should I look for?

[Dunnstral]

If you're not able to describe your Maf game, how about your Town game? What should I look for?

I try to shoo people away from voting low activity players on day 1 and try to caution against people townreading others for superficially looking towny especially on day 1. I tend towards talking more about mech. Sometimes I will disappear from thread for a day or more but that's not really indicative of my alignment (has happened multiple times as both alignments and I often get heat for it, generally I'm just not interested in catching up with hundreds of posts at the moment and the game is otherwise not interesting and spinning in circles). I try to keep an open mind and not tunnel, but if I find an inconsistency I do stick to it and try to get that player voted out while further analyzing new information.

[Michelle]

You should bother to explain your reads so we know how you reached your conclusions. Your process can be more important than the result. You saying it is consensus anyway is not helpful.

I disagree with this, people can read my allignment without me doing so, i'd probably bother trying to towntell harder and doing said things if i was in the chopping block but i dont think is useful when it comes to either my solving process or town/scumhunting shrug. Mostly because its fakeable as fuck its easy to come up with bullshit reasons for any read.

It's not about me, it's about you.
I want to understand how come after enough games as either alignaments you have to sheep someone to read me

Why does it surprise u considering last time we were v/v was on the hydra game with waza and i just blindsheeped his read on u then, i have no reason to scumread u right now so there's no point in going against consensus and just sheeping and hoping its right makes solving by POE easier.

The explanation looks logical but Waza has a read on me almost 100% accurate. And hydra games are very different

Do you have a Poe in mind?

[Michelle]

I'll say that the quick meta town read from Dunn looks TMI-ish to me.

Well that's not what happened as I've said.

Do you have reads on everyone who posted?



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User NamePosts
☆Princess Abigail☆62
Lime Coke46
Dunnstral30
Scotty29
Michelle27
Chelsea14
Manny12
falcon45ca11
Seanzie11
Long Con8
MacDougall8
JaggedJimmyJay7
Creature4
Epignosis3
Justplayingitcool1
TonyStarkPrime1

@DarlingMonroe
@Jackofhearts2005
@LanMisa
@sig
The game started, come play!

Towny:
☆Princess Abigail☆
Lime Coke
Michelle


Scummy:
Manny
Macdougall


The rest I'm either in the middle or have no opinion on.

What's scummy about them?

[LanMisa]

Interesting, so this is how voting is done here. Seeing that I almost never played outside of MU this is definitely a first for me!

Hello to you all, I'll have a short look at the game so far, then get some dinner, then read a bit more.

[LanMisa]

Where is @MacDougall ?

I have to work, but when I come back I want your reads, sir!

Also @LanMisa how are you? I hope you have time to play this game

Yeah, a bit. This and next week are school holidays so I am more free than usual (aside from Saturday where I will be off for the whole day). Still, the week after will start my "months of hell" segment so I hope that we won't need to play for that long.

I still need to do a bit of schoolwork to help my students, and some bigger grading projects need to be done, but it should be manageable.

[LanMisa]

Hi Brad!
I'll listen to that song later in the day


Long Con seems town.
Scotty, not that much.
Creature asked for a toDay pass. I'll give it to him

Hello Michelle! <3

Do you have warm pockets?

What's with this slow start?
[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Yes I do and you're always welcome inside of them.

Idk everyone else isn't here yet. Hoping a lot more start up because tomorrow will be a bit rough for me time wise until night time.

Yay!

I can go to sleep a little more, it's 4 am for me

Staying up to 4AM is definitely not the kind of dedication you'd ever see me show in a game of Mafia (anymore). I'm almost willing to townread Michelle off of that alone.

Also saw the earlier Creature posts which don't do much for me yet, Creature dreading his own D1 is something I regularly see from either alignments (in mashes) and the tone of how his day progresses should give us a much clearer read here.

[LanMisa]

Thanks for the reminder.

Everyone gets a maximum of 100 posts per day phase. This will lift an hour prior to the poll deadline.

Ugh this is gonna be quite painful

but maybe I won't get to 100-post anyway

Just don't wagon me D1 because it's like the hardest day for me to handle

My reads D1 are prob going to be shit, they take some new flips to adjust

I tunnel you every game so I'm gonna try not to do this for once

But I hate this opening... send help

This feels like a standard "Creature is playing this game" opening.

Liked Scotty's inquisitiveness, slightly liked the mech talk/long-term thinking, don't get the Seanzie read (opening looked completely null).

I know that someone Lime Coke has played Turbos on MU before, is this a player I should know from MU? I assume it's not a Limestone alt though?

[Manny]

Do you have a Poe in mind?

Not really no, will prolly decide who to vote later on the day based on wagon purity and vibes.

[Manny]

I know that someone Lime Coke has played Turbos on MU before, is this a player I should know from MU? I assume it's not a Limestone alt though?

Brad aka ICEEEE aka LimeCoke aka rotomwash aka BlueKang aka TigerWoodsPGATour2004 or WHATEVER OTHER ALT THIS GUY HAS????

[LanMisa]

Thanks for the fish.

Fuck it Scotty can be town.

Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.

brad can be town, so can scotty.

thats all i got ill be back later prolly, @Chelsea where u at im here just to be carried

Hello Manny, you forced me to join this so wouldn't it be you who has to carry me? I'm disappointed.

However, you could join me in voting Abigail if you're really insistent on me carrying you.

I like this inquisitive start from Chelsea. I didn't get the feeling that the mechanics post itself was what caused the town read though, unless I either misread/misunderstood the sequence or if my bias of townleaning Scott myself got between me and Lime's post.

I do kinda agree that the Abigail posts I have seen so far (up to the quoted post) are mostly filler though.

[LanMisa]

I know that someone Lime Coke has played Turbos on MU before, is this a player I should know from MU? I assume it's not a Limestone alt though?

Brad aka ICEEEE aka LimeCoke aka rotomwash aka BlueKang aka TigerWoodsPGATour2004 or WHATEVER OTHER ALT THIS GUY HAS????

BlueKang reads semi familiar, I should check out a former mash or something to brush myself up if I find the time.

[Michelle]

To be honest I woke up at 4:10 and couldn't play more than that post. I would say it's NAI

Lime Coke is Brad, my hydra partner in game 3 at MU last year, main Blue Kang, alt Good Question. He has more alts I don't remember now.
@LanMisa

[Michelle]

Do you have a Poe in mind?

Not really no, will prolly decide who to vote later on the day based on wagon purity and vibes.

Do you really think a wagon purity shows the wagoned player is a wolf?

[Manny]

Do you really think a wagon purity shows the wagoned player is a wolf?

I think a pure wagon has >rand chances of hitting a wolf.
I wont vote a pure wagon if its someone i townread but i do value it a decent amount, i play by making a mental lists of people that i wont vote after that its just a matter of finding the yeet that "feels" the best between the people that arent on my list.

[Michelle]

Ok.
I don't trust you but I also don't have much showing me you can be bad.

Not trusting but not voting toDay are Manny and Chelsea for now.

[LanMisa]

Ok.
I don't trust you but I also don't have much showing me you can be bad.

Not trusting but not voting toDay are Manny and Chelsea for now.

Any reason for that which you haven't stated yet or will I stuble upon it in your ISO eventually?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Someday, I'll play all these games.

Hardclaim Mathew Perry (not really).

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'll say that the quick meta town read from Dunn looks TMI-ish to me.

Well that's not what happened as I've said.

Do you have reads on everyone who posted?



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User NamePosts
☆Princess Abigail☆62
Lime Coke46
Dunnstral30
Scotty29
Michelle27
Chelsea14
Manny12
falcon45ca11
Seanzie11
Long Con8
MacDougall8
JaggedJimmyJay7
Creature4
Epignosis3
Justplayingitcool1
TonyStarkPrime1

@DarlingMonroe
@Jackofhearts2005
@LanMisa
@sig
The game started, come play!

[LanMisa]

See for Scotty I largely wolf read early mech posts in games and in my data they are 70% of the time wolf posts but I think everything around the bread stuff is just so insanely town that I'm willing to lock that in early

Creature keeps making excuses for why people are gonna vote him and it feels very defeatist in a wolfy way but I won't vote there unless someone checks me because I can't read creature

Breads insistence that Scotty is town and his read is right against all challenges is just towny imo I'd not be willing to lock that though

Manny feels decidedly disengaged but that's something old me would hard town read however new me is trying to be more patient with what I town lock so I'm gonna say town lean

Chelsea pushing me I hate but only cause this narrative is the same one I get miskilled for constantly by and large I think... assuming Chelsea has no experience with me... that Chelsea is town

What I'm saying is I think the active part of the thread is all town

Okay, I really like this Abigail post though. I don't agree with a disengaged Manny being towny (from experience that's wolf indicative of Manny) but I can clearly see where the reads originate and I can follow them easily.

Townleaning Abigail.

[Michelle]

Ok.
I don't trust you but I also don't have much showing me you can be bad.

Not trusting but not voting toDay are Manny and Chelsea for now.

Any reason for that which you haven't stated yet or will I stuble upon it in your ISO eventually?

Experience in playing with both don't give me trust in their apparently good intentions.

[Michelle]

Come on Jack, how much time was since we played a game?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oi hey @DarlingMonroe