[WOLF WIN] Bread Mafia 2024

[falcon45ca]

One day I shall register for one of JJJ's classes, whilst also playing a game of Mafia w/ him at the same time...




"Excuse me, Doctor Jay...I notice the assigned reading is not on the syllabus?"




Jay grumbles incoherently, the smell of cheap bourbon thick in the air




*nods*





[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

This may be a metaphor too deep for me to understand. What's the suspicion?

Oh, it's just a jest

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I just want motobot to respond to the votes.

[falcon45ca]

Before anyone asks, I don't have a read on anyone so far. As far as I know anyone could be mafia.

Even...YOU?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[Long Con]

One day I shall register for one of JJJ's classes, whilst also playing a game of Mafia w/ him at the same time...




"Excuse me, Doctor Jay...I notice the assigned reading is not on the syllabus?"




Jay grumbles incoherently, the smell of cheap bourbon thick in the air




*nods*





[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

This may be a metaphor too deep for me to understand. What's the suspicion?

Oh, it's just a jest

Ah marvelous!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

You v Thunal is T v T pweaseeeee vote elsewhere

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

tap, tap, tap dancing a bit here Jay. So what if PA thinks you are performative. You do like center stage in games - that's normal for JJJ.
I also do not remember her calling you out in all games you have played together. Did you track that as a statistic? Now I am curious.

I'm not going to go digging around a hundred games, but here's an example from Ted Lasso Mafia:

Some setup notes to be aware of moving forward:

The numbers ratio established in the OP is 12 vs. 4. This is a difficult but not unmanageable arrangement for town, particularly without the benefit of public role reveals.

If the game proceeds at a normal pace (one day elimination and one night kill per cycle), town only gets three mistakes before they reach an endgame phase. Town also boasts one kill (through the Dani Rojas role), but that kill alone would not change this number. It's still three mistakes maximum, and the mafia have two manners of kill protection available to them anyway.

The only way that number changes is with multiple night kill protections and/or a protection plus a kill (I think that works out).

With that in mind, we should just operate under the assumption at present that we are only allowed to make three mistakes. That is not very many. So we are going to have to play hard as a town team to overcome that. It can be done, but it will require concerted desire from everyone to make it so. So let's do that. The best weapon town possesses in a game like this is its ability to talk during the day phase, and so talk we must. Inactivity is more damaging in this setup than it would be in other setups. Mafia already boast a considerable voting block, and we must avoid helping them by unnecessarily splitting our votes or by leaving our votes off the board. These things routinely lose games, and they are unforced errors. We can avoid them if we are conscious of it and communicate effectively.

"Stop telling me how to play, Jay."

I appreciate everyone's right to do their thing, and I hope that's exactly what you do. Play however you like! I just want to emphasize that we begin this game in a difficult position, and that will not change for the better unless we cooperate.

LAMIST:p

("LAMIST" stands for "look at me I'm so town", which is just another way of calling someone performative)

But dearest JJJ that LAMIST was tongue in cheek I even put a

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But dearest JJJ that LAMIST was tongue in cheek I even put a

You tunneled me that entire Day 1.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But dearest JJJ that LAMIST was tongue in cheek I even put a

You tunneled me that entire Day 1.

That sounds like something I'd do regardless of if I actually believed that was specifically LAMIST

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

We killin towns we killin towns Wheeee

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We killin towns we killin towns Wheeee

Are you able to describe why you believe in S~V~S and Thunal?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Syndicate is having a time right now.

Load up my pages, old girl.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well the deadline is in an hour.

[Thunal33]

I'm here if anyone wants to interact with me, I'm just figuring out my read on SVS.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I think I've talked myself into voting here. I've been a wagon the whole game somehow and I think SVS might be watching it happen when I think she's objected to it in the past even when she didn't townread me. Her response to my question was decent but I haven't gotten any town pings from her other solving posts.

This is a lot to walk into.

When did I object when I didn't townread you? I recall 2 games where I defended you, one where I became convinced you were town, the one where the baddie switched their vote iirc, it made me totally change my mind on you. I didn't start defending you until I changed my mind. I came in there intending to vote you until I saw what I saw. No defending there while I thought you were bad, only after I changed my mind. And I aggressively defended you in another game in which you turned out bad. So yeah, I'm wary of you. Especially after being bad with you a few times, I know what you can do, and you do it better than maybe anyone.

In THIS game, you were acting unlike how I have seen you in the past, either affiliation, so I null read you. Not sure how I got into Jays post about things you needed to address.

I am really very honestly surprised that you think I'd defend you if I wasn't sure you're not bad. If anything this statement ironically is something I can't imagine you saying if bad; you would make up something better than that if you were bad. No pockets here, but yeah.

I do have to say that looking at the game, she was right. I thought SVS didn't townread me in Sesame Street when she defended me (and I think that's the impression I got while in the game) but from some surrounding posts it's clear she did townread me.

[Thunal33]

SVS - My real ping with her is that I don't think she'd be treating me or my wagon this way. She just saw me town it up and get Sloonei in my last game, she's said she has to try to actively find me as town to read me, and here she's just not doing that? I'd expect some comment about my voters or at least thinking it's unusual that I'm a 2 vote wagon. I feel like she doesn't care if I go over and I remember her caring that I was wagoned because she thinks highly of my town play in a past game even when she didn't townread me.

Right. And THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS BEN HAPPENING HERE. You are calling up the last game like it's a valid comparison, and it isn't. You think I'm bad becasue I'm not defending you when I've seen you town it up in the past, even if you weren't doing it here? And tbh, you still aren't except as it applies to me, lol.

I don't think it's unusual that anyone has a two vote wagon when they haven't been playing to their own exceptionally high standard.

I find my wagon more of an issue cause it's coming from someone who thinks I should be defending them when I had a null read on them, and someone who objects to the hours I keep.

As for Jay, he thinks I belong in the POE, and I guess he's right.

Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

[Thunal33]

We killin towns we killin towns Wheeee

Want to join me on motobot?

[Thunal33]

SVS's late posts feel bound by honesty. I think she's not playing in a way that would be best for survival since she's being cautious about reads and only saying the ones she actually has. I wouldn't vote her today.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.

[Long Con]

OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

You v Thunal is T v T pweaseeeee vote elsewhere

You think Epinosis is bad because he said "I don't know why Abi is voting moto, would vote" and then also said he would vote moto?

[Thunal33]

Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.

What I'm saying is she's playing for survival but not to the extent of making real pushes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.

What I'm saying is she's playing for survival but not to the extent of making real pushes.

I don’t think that’s towny lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

[Thunal33]

Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.

What I'm saying is she's playing for survival but not to the extent of making real pushes.

I don’t think that’s towny lol

Eh it's different based on how it's done and I'd argue it looks decent here for SVS. Sloonei didn't make a push before he died in Workout Mafia but that felt more performative. Like "look guys I'm not pushing anyone". I'm sometimes better at surviving as mafia because I can fabricate anything to get out of being wagoned but as town I don't want to make dishonest reads or pushes.

[Long Con]

SVS - My real ping with her is that I don't think she'd be treating me or my wagon this way. She just saw me town it up and get Sloonei in my last game, she's said she has to try to actively find me as town to read me, and here she's just not doing that? I'd expect some comment about my voters or at least thinking it's unusual that I'm a 2 vote wagon. I feel like she doesn't care if I go over and I remember her caring that I was wagoned because she thinks highly of my town play in a past game even when she didn't townread me.

Right. And THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS BEN HAPPENING HERE. You are calling up the last game like it's a valid comparison, and it isn't. You think I'm bad becasue I'm not defending you when I've seen you town it up in the past, even if you weren't doing it here? And tbh, you still aren't except as it applies to me, lol.

I don't think it's unusual that anyone has a two vote wagon when they haven't been playing to their own exceptionally high standard.

I find my wagon more of an issue cause it's coming from someone who thinks I should be defending them when I had a null read on them, and someone who objects to the hours I keep.

As for Jay, he thinks I belong in the POE, and I guess he's right.

Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

In the past it would have been OMGUS-city, but I think she's actively trying to not see me as intrinsically bad so much. You I dunno.

[Long Con]

I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Why Shouldn't You Vote For X Instead?

Maybe that's a fun game.

Why shouldn't you vote for falcon instead of motobot?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I get the impression S~V~S had no time to mount a push.

Even without one. Reads? Progression? Development? Impressions? Just a very thin post history relative to how it looks to the unfocused eye.

[Thunal33]

And yes motobot is a boring vote which is why I didn't want to vote him at first. But at this point the bar for townieness is really high so I think he has an okay chance of flipping mafia.

[Thunal33]

I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Why Shouldn't You Vote For X Instead?

Maybe that's a fun game.

Why shouldn't you vote for falcon instead of motobot?

Falcon I actively townread a couple things, like his instinct to suspect me and SVS were teamed and his quick push on JJJ and me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And yes motobot is a boring vote which is why I didn't want to vote him at first. But at this point the bar for townieness is really high so I think he has an okay chance of flipping mafia.

I think the bar is way too LOW. Nobody here is that towny.

[Thunal33]

I get the impression S~V~S had no time to mount a push.

Even without one. Reads? Progression? Development? Impressions? Just a very thin post history relative to how it looks to the unfocused eye.

Probably not. My read on her is weak but I skimmed her ISO in Ted Lasso and saw she was way more eager to shade others even when she wasn't full blown pushing them.

[Long Con]

I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Why Shouldn't You Vote For X Instead?

Maybe that's a fun game.

Why shouldn't you vote for falcon instead of motobot?

Falcon I actively townread a couple things, like his instinct to suspect me and SVS were teamed and his quick push on JJJ and me.

I can't remember falcon's good stuff. I'll sneak a peek.

[Thunal33]

And yes motobot is a boring vote which is why I didn't want to vote him at first. But at this point the bar for townieness is really high so I think he has an okay chance of flipping mafia.

I think the bar is way too LOW. Nobody here is that towny.

Not in terms of post volume and solving, but a lot of people have given offhand comments or takes that registered to me as towny.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Why Shouldn't You Vote For X Instead?

Maybe that's a fun game.

Why shouldn't you vote for falcon instead of motobot?

falcon is a near-consensus town read and represents some slim hope of building a viable process of elimination solve. His handling of Thunal and S~V~S looked legit.

Just to honor the question

[Thunal33]

I think I'm going to take JJJ, Roxy, Long Con, and Falcon as town. Which leaves Abi, Epi, SVS, and Motobot and that's narrow enough for a locked game if it's right.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If motobot is flipped town, that’d be a good indicator that this vague half-consensus we’re coming to is not well-founded.

I N F O R M A T I O N

Shitty reason to eliminate someone, but at least I have no town read on anything of his.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I'm going to take JJJ, Roxy, Long Con, and Falcon as town. Which leaves Abi, Epi, SVS, and Motobot and that's narrow enough for a locked game if it's right.

I like this.

[Thunal33]

If motobot is flipped town, that’d be a good indicator that this vague half-consensus we’re coming to is not well-founded.

I N F O R M A T I O N

Shitty reason to eliminate someone, but at least I have no town read on anything of his.

tbf I think the same goes for SVS, but I think motobot will stay in the PoE all game regardless of alignment and I can't say the same for SVS.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

[Thunal33]

I guess I just don't have the stamina I'm used to lol. I feel tired after 77 posts in a phase and I used to get over 150 sometimes during my really tryhard phase.

[Thunal33]

let it rand

I will switch to SVS if I need to to survive, but I don't want to.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We have 12 minutes, and I won’t let this sit on a tie.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Assuming the site loads

[Long Con]

We have 12 minutes, and I won’t let this sit on a tie.

No, yeah, 12 mins is a lifetime. Hold on.

[Long Con]

I guess I just don't have the stamina I'm used to lol. I feel tired after 77 posts in a phase and I used to get over 150 sometimes during my really tryhard phase.

Hang in there. Finish line D1 is nigh!

[Long Con]

Ok but really what I am saying is I looked at falcon's ISO and I just don't see it, it's like a deft flick of a couple of words and everyone is enamored. That's my legacy if I die tonight.

[Thunal33]

I guess I just don't have the stamina I'm used to lol. I feel tired after 77 posts in a phase and I used to get over 150 sometimes during my really tryhard phase.

Hang in there. Finish line D1 is nigh!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To be clear, I have little confidence about falcon.

[Long Con]

If motobot is flipped town, that’d be a good indicator that this vague half-consensus we’re coming to is not well-founded.

I N F O R M A T I O N

Shitty reason to eliminate someone, but at least I have no town read on anything of his.

This post almost made me throw up a little. BUT

tbf I think the same goes for SVS, but I think motobot will stay in the PoE all game regardless of alignment and I can't say the same for SVS.

Is true. [VOTE: motobot] aubergine

[Long Con]

And that's LAMEST.