In anticipation of being called a fence rider because most of my reads so far have been that way, I was gonna use the joke that I agree, I’m riding it “like a bad dragon” but then I wasn’t 100% sure that was the name of the product so I googled it.
And you know how we’re playing werewolf?
There are other people on the internet playing werewolf in a totally different way.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:07 am
today is @Jibay birthday so don't turbo him! we're going out to dinner this evening and dunno when we'll be back but hopefully i can make eod, not sure how much back reading i'll be able to do then so i'm trying to leave my thoughts and form a list before then as work allows me to be discreet >.> <.<
He Gucci
Happy birthday, @Jibay!
I’ll look to get him yeeted tomorrow, don’t worry
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:25 am
i liked scotty's reads list in that it gave us some idea where his thoughts are even though nothing very concrete. i'm curious to know why he thinks syn is 3p and is playing with that idea. i haven't even thought of 3p hunting yet and we don't even know if the 3p is town or mafia aligned. i feel like people who usually focus on 3p hunting are mafia - so that's my main negative observation, but it's not like he's building cases yet about it.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:44 am
I don't understand the case on Scotty
Is there even a proper case? I just noticed the votes going there.
Scotty seems towny on a surface level, I don't know if he's a good enough wolf to be as agressive when having TMI
I feel like this is the first time you’ve really talked about me since coming back into the thread.
Like, I’ve been reading along since you entered this morning nodding my head at your calm, carefree demeanor- like your banter with Sun- and it feels good. But I feel like you’ve avoided me or talking about me up to this point, and that bothered me since I’ve got an anvil pitched above your head.
And for your information, I’m generally aggressive like a tumor in all alignments.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:35 am
@Epignosis what is going to happen to No-Shows?
Jackofhearts2005
le petit poussin
motobot
NOOK
starting some paperwork I'll be around at points today.
for your second post in the game to be inquiring about no-shows, feels a bit bossy and disgenuine imo. like, i didn't even know day 0 had started and showed up on day 1. feels a bit like busywork to me when day 1 is still not even halfway through.
also the rules say to PM the host and not tag him in the game if you want to ask questions so feels doubly disgenuine-busy-work to me because you know he won't qualify that with an actual answer.
negative points
Negative points for putting in the thread the no-shows? How odd. I've done it plenty of times in games.
I was looking to see who had not checked in before we moved to D 1 and so I made a list bc I am old and v lazy. It's easier for me to see from a small list vs pulling up all the posts just to see who has been here and who hasn't.
So disingenuous? Maybe for you as a player but that post was for me. And obv Epi did do *something* to get the no-shows to show up so it *did* work whether you think it appropriate doesn't really matter to me.
Idc what you think about how I play to be quite honest.
You do however seem to be looking for baddies so ---good for you.
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:56 pm
Roxy, they be coming for you. What have you done??
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 7:06 pm
At the moment, I'm feeling negative about Roxy's low-poster thing. S~V~S pointed out that Roxy is normally more forgiving, which I agree with. So why the behaviour change? Being a Wolf who needs to be relevant but doesn't have time to build yet, you have to have something to bring to the table. I guess it's not all that different from mech talk. I'm going to [VOTE:
roxy] aubergine though.
Speaking of mech talk, however, we CAN include some of that, given that this is a non-mountainous open setup. Maybe we can cook up some Town advantages.
lmao
you suck tbh.
You ask what I have done then you post a couple of youtubes then vote slam me like you have never played a game with me before.
Also it was not a low poster thing --- it is a No-Show thing. Very different. You should know it is how you and LC2 won your last baddie game here.
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:04 am
maybe I'm biased since I've hosted most of the games here in the past half year but I mostly took roxy's no-show post as understandable angst about the low activity level this site has had lately
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:04 am
a lot of games here lately have been decided by people just not posting ever
syn has the right of it. Like I said above it is how the LC's (1&2) won the last game here as baddies.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:55 pm
I gotta look at this when I can actually get my head into this the only thing I have in terms of reads gained was Dunya being town.
She might be right with Roxy talking about the no-shows, it felt a bit weird to me.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:55 pm
I gotta look at this when I can actually get my head into this the only thing I have in terms of reads gained was Dunya being town.
She might be right with Roxy talking about the no-shows, it felt a bit weird to me.
I don't... like this post. You start with a dunya town read then you say she "might" be right on Roxy, and that the later felt "a bit weird". It's careful, playing it safe framing for a possible jump on the Roxy wagon later.
Oh no I can do it now. [VOTE:
Roxy] aubergine
Didn't really matter what time I voted I just wanted to drop that tidbit before I went away from the game.
Both LC votes smell horrible. This is so graspy like you must post and vote just bc Luffy thought it was bc you were using dunya's read to "lead" to your vote on me ---which Luff was right - you used someone else's reasoning like your own for your vote. No thoughts added of your own. Feels slippery like my walk was to my car this morning.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:55 pm
I gotta look at this when I can actually get my head into this the only thing I have in terms of reads gained was Dunya being town.
She might be right with Roxy talking about the no-shows, it felt a bit weird to me.
She's voted me as a no show plenty of times, but usually not Day 1. Hmm.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:55 pm
I gotta look at this when I can actually get my head into this the only thing I have in terms of reads gained was Dunya being town.
She might be right with Roxy talking about the no-shows, it felt a bit weird to me.
She's voted me as a no show plenty of times, but usually not Day 1. Hmm.
are you talking about me or roxy?
Roxy
Yeah I knew that. I've never voted a low poster or no show d 1. For you it would have to be d3 or more tbh.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:55 pm
I gotta look at this when I can actually get my head into this the only thing I have in terms of reads gained was Dunya being town.
She might be right with Roxy talking about the no-shows, it felt a bit weird to me.
She's voted me as a no show plenty of times, but usually not Day 1. Hmm.
are you talking about me or roxy?
Roxy
Yeah I knew that. I've never voted a low poster or no show d 1. For you it would have to be d3 or more tbh.
Yeah, that was what I was saying. You definitely prod at people from the jump, but I've never seen you vote anyone no show D1. I am not really feeling the wagon on you.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:55 pm
I gotta look at this when I can actually get my head into this the only thing I have in terms of reads gained was Dunya being town.
She might be right with Roxy talking about the no-shows, it felt a bit weird to me.
She's voted me as a no show plenty of times, but usually not Day 1. Hmm.
are you talking about me or roxy?
Roxy
Yeah I knew that. I've never voted a low poster or no show d 1. For you it would have to be d3 or more tbh.
I lied here.
I have voted for low posting falc awhile back on d 1 and was wrong. But that is my only one I cba'ed to remember in my history.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:04 am
I'm also open to yeet Falcon even though my streak reading Falcon correctly is like 0% but his shading on the salad was meh.
Might go back to Wisdom too.
How would you compare my play/tone/whathaveyou this game to others where you've goose egged your read on my slot?
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:36 pm
thunal, how you feel about me bud?
Gosh
Right now I don't have a good read on you. But also I'm actually going to sit down and reread the thread to get more solid takes.
I'm going to revise this. I don't feel that good about you. Why did you agree with DDL's take that Wisdom said she was maybe town when that wasn't what she said?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:22 am
Wisdom saying that maybe they are town is irking.
+1 because I thought the same thing on reading. Comes off as busybody nothing agreement
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:38 pm
I don’t mind this Roxy counterwagon. Her approach so far isn’t accusatory of anyone, and without giving away too much (so she doesn’t influence what she does) isn’t hitting the notes I usually associate with town Roxy.
But she’s barely entered so I want to give her time to simmer
Wisdom, however, has plenty of posts and most come off as filler posts.
I especially found it odd when they started getting SAUCY about being a D1 leading wagon as town when only 1 person had voted for them. ‘I’m never wolf in a game where I’m lead wagon on D1’ is definitely a statement. Sounds like a wolf upset with garnering suspicion and trying to fend it off early with some actual facts.
But it could also be said that it is possible to find a Wisdom as wolf on D1 in a lead wagon situation, yes?
This post also felt off to me and I typed up and retracted a couple possible reasons why. I was bothered by the red line and it might be because I've seen wolves do this when they're worried about villagers they're pushing clearing themselves through emotion.
However Syndicate culture is super different from MU with how people react to others getting frustrated with suspicion so it might not be a valid point here. I've seen a lot more people here get suspicious because someone gets frustrated and a lot fewer people here clear someone for frustration.
Ah good catch
To answer your first point, I linked to the wrong post- I meant to link to DDL’s immediate post after, not the exact point of Wisdom saying they were maybe town. ‘Maybe’ the wolf curse being broken felt disingenuous and agreeable with regards to responding to you saying you’re on a streak.
To answer your second point, I’m not even sure how to parse. You’ve ’seen wolves do’ what? Suspect others because they are pointing out their own metas? I don’t trust other people explaining how they’re supposed to act as a certain alignment. I’ve done it as a wolf. It’s setting up plausible deniability when behavior is different than normal.
If Wisdom was actually leading a wagon or even had a real wagon going, I wouldn’t bat a dog lash.
But that’s not the case here. It comes off as preemptively putting up the for sale sign after driving the boat off the lot
No, I've seen wolves get scared their target might be cleared when the target expresses frustration or any emotion and push harder to make up for it.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:04 am
I'm also open to yeet Falcon even though my streak reading Falcon correctly is like 0% but his shading on the salad was meh.
Might go back to Wisdom too.
How would you compare my play/tone/whathaveyou this game to others where you've goose egged your read on my slot?
Too soon to call, and I'm not good with metas in general. I think I'll abstain from answering that.
All I know is there some people I tend to misyeet by instinct, and you are one of them. So I don't particularly want to vote you now. Though your Scotty vote sucks. Might vote, but will depend on what the options are.
Also having played almost no games after 2019 means remembering metas is difficult, and the chances any of those memories are accurate or useful is practically zero. So yeah I'm avoiding dabbling on metas rn.
Wisdom wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:01 am
I think Thunal being enthusiastic from being top poster is towny of her, bad way of reading people but I'm sticking to it, sue me :3
I'm sorry that I've been so defensive so far this game. I'm just here to have fun and I feel like I got off to a bad start!
I made that post because I realized I was tied for top poster and it put me over the edge lol.
Wisdom wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:01 am
I think Thunal being enthusiastic from being top poster is towny of her, bad way of reading people but I'm sticking to it, sue me :3
I'm sorry that I've been so defensive so far this game. I'm just here to have fun and I feel like I got off to a bad start!
This post followed by your falcon vote in your very next post give me a very high eyebrow arch. Something with the vibe of your posts and then this vote.
It's the part where you say:
"I'm just here to have fun and I feel like I got off to a bad start!"
Actually it says falcon joined in 2020, so I guess most games I played with him were in 2021, where I made a return to mafia before leaving again at the start of 22. Don't remember how many games I played, though. 3? 4? Still, that's a while ago.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:39 pm
Also having played almost no games after 2019 means remembering metas is difficult, and the chances any of those memories are accurate or useful is practically zero. So yeah I'm avoiding dabbling on metas rn.
That's interesting, since I believe I played exactly 1 game on TS in 2019, and I don't believe you were in it
You brought up your meta on me (or lack thereof as it's a 0% you say), not the other way around...why bring it up if you have no desire to meta dabble?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:39 pm
Also having played almost no games after 2019 means remembering metas is difficult, and the chances any of those memories are accurate or useful is practically zero. So yeah I'm avoiding dabbling on metas rn.
Using meta as tool to find baddies is ok but to me any *good* player would consistently be slightly changing their game every game. Otherwise after 10+ years of playing together it would be zero fun.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:23 am
Yes Im aware that isnt exactly what they said, they said they are town and THEN said maybe the curse is over. But if the curse is not over they can't be town right?
Irks me irks me irks me
Well there is the case.
I thought the curse was over two weeks ago when I randed town in a Org game
Then I randed wolf in a mash last week and in the turbo last weekend
Randing town now gave me hope, but it's not enough to claim the curse to be over!
Hi Wisdom!
I think you're town right now so that's cool.
Is it just a vibe thing, or otherwise? I've never played with them, and that one post felt manipulative to me rather than salty.
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:35 am
@Epignosis what is going to happen to No-Shows?
Jackofhearts2005
le petit poussin
motobot
NOOK
starting some paperwork I'll be around at points today.
for your second post in the game to be inquiring about no-shows, feels a bit bossy and disgenuine imo. like, i didn't even know day 0 had started and showed up on day 1. feels a bit like busywork to me when day 1 is still not even halfway through.
also the rules say to PM the host and not tag him in the game if you want to ask questions so feels doubly disgenuine-busy-work to me because you know he won't qualify that with an actual answer.
negative points
I want to hear from her about this. Rox is usually the first one to extend low posters some grace, especially on day one, so i found this surprising for her. The fact that she asked the host question could just be breezing in/out; I find that bit NAI.
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:14 pm
@Syn what's wolf about scotty
I'm curious about that, too. All of his posts were day zero. Generally Scotty is chatty regardless of affiliation, and fairly aggressive either way. Silence is something I'm not used to seeing from him, and can't interpret. He has not played in some time, so it could be related to that. I need to see game related posts from him.
So I'd like to see what Syn is seeing that I am not, or if he's seeing nothing and put that out there to gauge reactions?
Wisdom wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:55 am
If I go with my gut on page 1, Syn's the only wolf that's been online.
Mostly because I recently finished a game with him where he was obvtowning right from the get go, mainly because he seemed to have a fun time
I don't really have a good track record in reading him though, but at least he's not as towny now as he was then.
Vote##Syn
That ^^ feels a bit like equivocating; "well, I sus Syn the most, but just in case he gets yeeted and flips town, here's my excuse for voting for him".
So I saw nothing else to catch my eye aside from Wisdom. I have a few people I have clear town feels on, and most I need to see more on topic posts. So I'll drop a vote there for now [VOTE:
Wisdom] aubergine. Like I said up there ^^ that one post felt manipulative rather than salty, but I'm not married to this vote, since this is my first experience with Wisdom.
Welcome @Jibay !
I know that Wisdom gets suspected d1 a lot as town and I thought her reaction to it was towny. It resonates with my own mindset towards suspicion as town including RVS suspicion which is that I don’t like it and just want to solve without having to defend myself, while as wolf I sometimes enjoy the challenge of being under pressure.
I'm not sure what them being sussed alot has to do with their reaction here, I see they @ me but I haven't gotten to that yet. I used to read my @s first, but I lost context that way.
I haven't gotten to it yet, but why did you vote Scotty? I'm especially interested since we saw him up close and personal as a wolf in Lasso, and so far he looks pretty towny to me. I liked his long post.
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:36 pm
thunal, how you feel about me bud?
Gosh
Right now I don't have a good read on you. But also I'm actually going to sit down and reread the thread to get more solid takes.
I'm going to revise this. I don't feel that good about you. Why did you agree with DDL's take that Wisdom said she was maybe town when that wasn't what she said?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:22 am
Wisdom saying that maybe they are town is irking.
+1 because I thought the same thing on reading. Comes off as busybody nothing agreement
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:38 pm
I don’t mind this Roxy counterwagon. Her approach so far isn’t accusatory of anyone, and without giving away too much (so she doesn’t influence what she does) isn’t hitting the notes I usually associate with town Roxy.
But she’s barely entered so I want to give her time to simmer
Wisdom, however, has plenty of posts and most come off as filler posts.
I especially found it odd when they started getting SAUCY about being a D1 leading wagon as town when only 1 person had voted for them. ‘I’m never wolf in a game where I’m lead wagon on D1’ is definitely a statement. Sounds like a wolf upset with garnering suspicion and trying to fend it off early with some actual facts.
But it could also be said that it is possible to find a Wisdom as wolf on D1 in a lead wagon situation, yes?
This post also felt off to me and I typed up and retracted a couple possible reasons why. I was bothered by the red line and it might be because I've seen wolves do this when they're worried about villagers they're pushing clearing themselves through emotion.
However Syndicate culture is super different from MU with how people react to others getting frustrated with suspicion so it might not be a valid point here. I've seen a lot more people here get suspicious because someone gets frustrated and a lot fewer people here clear someone for frustration.
Also he is a dog so he lied about being bipedal and not having a tail.
Syn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:04 am
maybe I'm biased since I've hosted most of the games here in the past half year but I mostly took roxy's no-show post as understandable angst about the low activity level this site has had lately
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:32 am
Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob
how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me
You said "thank god" when I gave you your VT role in the game I hosted so I assumed you prefer town.
oh I very much do, but people keep saying I only low-post / have low energy when I rand wolf and it drives me crazy
I remember you having low energy as town sometimes too, but I don't think I've seen you have high energy as a wolf. Tbf I think I've skimmed your wolf game like once.
Also you got your wish you're in my town pile.
Falcon can be there too.
Why Falcon
Asking because in my mind every single post from him this game has been just shitposting.
At the time I saw his inquisitiveness and entrance as slight town for him. I remembered him shading from the get go when I played with him and he was mafia. Not a fan of him calling Scotty's list player salad though because it just isn't? Scotty wasn't making a jumbled list of who he could vote, he was just making a reads list.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:46 am
I don't really want to yeet Wisdom quite yet part of me is giving leeway there for... random reasons I guess.
Main reason might be hearing about randing wolf a bunch of times, and having her misyeeted if town would feel quite bad.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:46 am
I don't really want to yeet Wisdom quite yet part of me is giving leeway there for... random reasons I guess.
Main reason might be hearing about randing wolf a bunch of times, and having her misyeeted if town would feel quite bad.
This is a towny post.
why? It feels like a fence rider going for the gold.
The thing that I'm getting a bit hung up on is that if I (being notoriously bad about no showing in recent games) know that it's not out of character for Roxy's recent play to talk about no shows, why doesn't Long Con?
I'm considering where to move my vote and people I feel more town vibes from are on falcon and I am considering there. But the above makes me feel not great vibes from Long Con, so I could see putting a vote there too.
There are entirely too many people I have zero vibes on at all.
Ok I just checked the Museum. Turns out I had gotten the timeline wrong.
Up to 2020 I was still playing. So that's the retirement year, not 2019.
Then I stopped, and in 2021 I played no games.
Then in 2022, I played 4 more games.
Then I stopped again in 2023.
And in 2024 I played one more game.
Also apparently I only misyeeted you once, in 2024. Though I remember bickering with you a bunch of times, and always being wrong about it.
Anyway, the reason I brought it up is that I dislike repeating previous suspicions that I was wrong before, so this time I want to slow down before I enter another thunderdome with you.
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:03 pm
The thing that I'm getting a bit hung up on is that if I (being notoriously bad about no showing in recent games) know that it's not out of character for Roxy's recent play to talk about no shows, why doesn't Long Con?
I'm considering where to move my vote and people I feel more town vibes from are on falcon and I am considering there. But the above makes me feel not great vibes from Long Con, so I could see putting a vote there too.
There are entirely too many people I have zero vibes on at all.
yeah I called him on it. LC is viable with wisdom for me I am yet undecided.
Won't vote Jibay obv
but I won't vote falc or Scotty d 1 as they are so often miselimmed I like to wait until d 3 or so before I make firm judgements on people.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:35 am
you're a beauty, @Wisdom we all have our salt and each of us gets defensive in either alignment, at least i feel like all of us do myself included very much.
part of the reason why i moved off roxy is because i feel like she may hate me when she comes in and sees she's the leading wagon because of me without a chance to refute and be on the defence lol. im scared since i may not be here later and i dunno when people in the US will start checking in with us.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:46 am
I don't really want to yeet Wisdom quite yet part of me is giving leeway there for... random reasons I guess.
Main reason might be hearing about randing wolf a bunch of times, and having her misyeeted if town would feel quite bad.
This is a towny post.
why? It feels like a fence rider going for the gold.
I think it's towny for him. I've definitely seen him make decisions based on how bad he'd feel if he's wrong as town, and I think a lot of the time he just doesn't have that process as wolf.
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:59 am
i quoted thunal, she said it's just a symbolic vote. i have no idea what that means for sure, but doesn't that just mean placeholder vote.
It was a vote that expressed my suspicion, but I don't actually intend to stay on it until EoD because I think there's a chance mafia just resolves Scotty. I don't vote super active and frequently NKed players d1 unless I'm confident they're a wolf, and I'm not confident Scotty's a wolf.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:19 am
For the record, I’m going in order. It’s not like this is the most important DDL/Wisdom post. It’s just the most important one I’ve got to.
But okay.
For context a few months ago a wolf made a similar post d1 (townreading two people but also tinfoiling them being w/w) and I thought it was off, but ended up backing off and I lost to that wolf in f3.
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:55 pm
I gotta look at this when I can actually get my head into this the only thing I have in terms of reads gained was Dunya being town.
She might be right with Roxy talking about the no-shows, it felt a bit weird to me.
She's voted me as a no show plenty of times, but usually not Day 1. Hmm.
are you talking about me or roxy?
Roxy
Yeah I knew that. I've never voted a low poster or no show d 1. For you it would have to be d3 or more tbh.
Yeah, that was what I was saying. You definitely prod at people from the jump, but I've never seen you vote anyone no show D1. I am not really feeling the wagon on you.
I also feel like I’m liking the spunk Roxy has offered today and feel like I’m seeing more notes of her town game
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car