Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:36 pm
thunal, how you feel about me bud?
Gosh
Right now I don't have a good read on you. But also I'm actually going to sit down and reread the thread to get more solid takes.
I'm going to revise this. I don't feel that good about you. Why did you agree with DDL's take that Wisdom said she was maybe town when that wasn't what she said?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:22 am
Wisdom saying that maybe they are town is irking.
+1 because I thought the same thing on reading. Comes off as busybody nothing agreement
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:38 pm
I don’t mind this Roxy counterwagon. Her approach so far isn’t accusatory of anyone, and without giving away too much (so she doesn’t influence what she does) isn’t hitting the notes I usually associate with town Roxy.
But she’s barely entered so I want to give her time to simmer
Wisdom, however, has plenty of posts and most come off as filler posts.
I especially found it odd when they started getting SAUCY about being a D1 leading wagon as town when only 1 person had voted for them. ‘I’m never wolf in a game where I’m lead wagon on D1’ is definitely a statement. Sounds like a wolf upset with garnering suspicion and trying to fend it off early with some actual facts.
But it could also be said that it is possible to find a Wisdom as wolf on D1 in a lead wagon situation, yes?
This post also felt off to me and I typed up and retracted a couple possible reasons why. I was bothered by the red line and it might be because I've seen wolves do this when they're worried about villagers they're pushing clearing themselves through emotion.
However Syndicate culture is super different from MU with how people react to others getting frustrated with suspicion so it might not be a valid point here. I've seen a lot more people here get suspicious because someone gets frustrated and a lot fewer people here clear someone for frustration.
Ah good catch
To answer your first point, I linked to the wrong post- I meant to link to DDL’s immediate post after, not the exact point of Wisdom saying they were maybe town. ‘Maybe’ the wolf curse being broken felt disingenuous and agreeable with regards to responding to you saying you’re on a streak.
To answer your second point, I’m not even sure how to parse. You’ve ’seen wolves do’ what? Suspect others because they are pointing out their own metas? I don’t trust other people explaining how they’re supposed to act as a certain alignment. I’ve done it as a wolf. It’s setting up plausible deniability when behavior is different than normal.
If Wisdom was actually leading a wagon or even had a real wagon going, I wouldn’t bat a dog lash.
But that’s not the case here. It comes off as preemptively putting up the for sale sign after driving the boat off the lot
No, I've seen wolves get scared their target might be cleared when the target expresses frustration or any emotion and push harder to make up for it.
I can’t see anyone being cleared by expressing emotion. I also play mafia how I play chess- i look about 2 steps ahead. But no more than that for my puny little brain. This is planning out seeds to water on mars for when we colonize it in 30 years.
I push players without considering the big picture of how that will affect me down the line, mostly because my memory is such that I’ll probably get myself into trouble regardless of my alignment. I is who I is
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
I think Falcon could very well be mafia. He's missing the aggression he has in his town game. It's not just about that he pushed Scotty for a tell that he didn't do, it's that his push on Scotty amounted to shade while also having an out of "maybe this is what he typically does as town".
Town Falcon isn't afraid to just call people mafia, even high posting or influential players. Falcon hasn't done that to his pushes here, they seem safer.
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:51 pm
I can’t see anyone being cleared by expressing emotion. I also play mafia how I play chess- i look about 2 steps ahead. But no more than that for my puny little brain. This is planning out seeds to water on mars for when we colonize it in 30 years.
I push players without considering the big picture of how that will affect me down the line, mostly because my memory is such that I’ll probably get myself into trouble regardless of my alignment. I is who I is
I think it's more of an MU thing and as I was writing that post I realized that here has a very different culture wrt people's reaction to emotion. But my thought was that it was like an "uh oh, she's being villagery so I'll push her harder"
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:04 am
I'm also open to yeet Falcon even though my streak reading Falcon correctly is like 0% but his shading on the salad was meh.
Might go back to Wisdom too.
How would you compare my play/tone/whathaveyou this game to others where you've goose egged your read on my slot?
Too soon to call, and I'm not good with metas in general. I think I'll abstain from answering that.
All I know is there some people I tend to misyeet by instinct, and you are one of them. So I don't particularly want to vote you now. Though your Scotty vote sucks. Might vote, but will depend on what the options are.
I think I’m discovering metas are only helpful if the person in question doesn’t know their own meta. As soon as they do, and are capable of adapting their tactics, it’s worthless.
Now the bolded is important because I have a few people I can list that are inflexible with their strategies and can be pantsed from these patterns (I believe)
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Wisdom wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:01 am
I think Thunal being enthusiastic from being top poster is towny of her, bad way of reading people but I'm sticking to it, sue me :3
I'm sorry that I've been so defensive so far this game. I'm just here to have fun and I feel like I got off to a bad start!
This post followed by your falcon vote in your very next post give me a very high eyebrow arch. Something with the vibe of your posts and then this vote.
It's the part where you say:
"I'm just here to have fun and I feel like I got off to a bad start!"
It gives baddie vibes to me.
It’s this very mentality in how Wisdom has entered the game that makes me suspicious.
I also acknowledge Wisdom and I are both voting together at the moment lol
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:45 pm
Actually it says falcon joined in 2020, so I guess most games I played with him were in 2021, where I made a return to mafia before leaving again at the start of 22. Don't remember how many games I played, though. 3? 4? Still, that's a while ago.
I always say, it’s not the quality of play, it’s the quantity of play. I only play to watch my win/loss ratio get worse over time
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:23 am
Yes Im aware that isnt exactly what they said, they said they are town and THEN said maybe the curse is over. But if the curse is not over they can't be town right?
Irks me irks me irks me
Well there is the case.
I thought the curse was over two weeks ago when I randed town in a Org game
Then I randed wolf in a mash last week and in the turbo last weekend
Randing town now gave me hope, but it's not enough to claim the curse to be over!
Hi Wisdom!
I think you're town right now so that's cool.
Is it just a vibe thing, or otherwise? I've never played with them, and that one post felt manipulative to me rather than salty.
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:35 am
@Epignosis what is going to happen to No-Shows?
Jackofhearts2005
le petit poussin
motobot
NOOK
starting some paperwork I'll be around at points today.
for your second post in the game to be inquiring about no-shows, feels a bit bossy and disgenuine imo. like, i didn't even know day 0 had started and showed up on day 1. feels a bit like busywork to me when day 1 is still not even halfway through.
also the rules say to PM the host and not tag him in the game if you want to ask questions so feels doubly disgenuine-busy-work to me because you know he won't qualify that with an actual answer.
negative points
I want to hear from her about this. Rox is usually the first one to extend low posters some grace, especially on day one, so i found this surprising for her. The fact that she asked the host question could just be breezing in/out; I find that bit NAI.
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 3:14 pm
@Syn what's wolf about scotty
I'm curious about that, too. All of his posts were day zero. Generally Scotty is chatty regardless of affiliation, and fairly aggressive either way. Silence is something I'm not used to seeing from him, and can't interpret. He has not played in some time, so it could be related to that. I need to see game related posts from him.
So I'd like to see what Syn is seeing that I am not, or if he's seeing nothing and put that out there to gauge reactions?
Wisdom wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:55 am
If I go with my gut on page 1, Syn's the only wolf that's been online.
Mostly because I recently finished a game with him where he was obvtowning right from the get go, mainly because he seemed to have a fun time
I don't really have a good track record in reading him though, but at least he's not as towny now as he was then.
Vote##Syn
That ^^ feels a bit like equivocating; "well, I sus Syn the most, but just in case he gets yeeted and flips town, here's my excuse for voting for him".
So I saw nothing else to catch my eye aside from Wisdom. I have a few people I have clear town feels on, and most I need to see more on topic posts. So I'll drop a vote there for now [VOTE:
Wisdom] aubergine. Like I said up there ^^ that one post felt manipulative rather than salty, but I'm not married to this vote, since this is my first experience with Wisdom.
Welcome @Jibay !
I know that Wisdom gets suspected d1 a lot as town and I thought her reaction to it was towny. It resonates with my own mindset towards suspicion as town including RVS suspicion which is that I don’t like it and just want to solve without having to defend myself, while as wolf I sometimes enjoy the challenge of being under pressure.
I'm not sure what them being sussed alot has to do with their reaction here, I see they @ me but I haven't gotten to that yet. I used to read my @s first, but I lost context that way.
I haven't gotten to it yet, but why did you vote Scotty? I'm especially interested since we saw him up close and personal as a wolf in Lasso, and so far he looks pretty towny to me. I liked his long post.
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:36 pm
thunal, how you feel about me bud?
Gosh
Right now I don't have a good read on you. But also I'm actually going to sit down and reread the thread to get more solid takes.
I'm going to revise this. I don't feel that good about you. Why did you agree with DDL's take that Wisdom said she was maybe town when that wasn't what she said?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:22 am
Wisdom saying that maybe they are town is irking.
+1 because I thought the same thing on reading. Comes off as busybody nothing agreement
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:38 pm
I don’t mind this Roxy counterwagon. Her approach so far isn’t accusatory of anyone, and without giving away too much (so she doesn’t influence what she does) isn’t hitting the notes I usually associate with town Roxy.
But she’s barely entered so I want to give her time to simmer
Wisdom, however, has plenty of posts and most come off as filler posts.
I especially found it odd when they started getting SAUCY about being a D1 leading wagon as town when only 1 person had voted for them. ‘I’m never wolf in a game where I’m lead wagon on D1’ is definitely a statement. Sounds like a wolf upset with garnering suspicion and trying to fend it off early with some actual facts.
But it could also be said that it is possible to find a Wisdom as wolf on D1 in a lead wagon situation, yes?
This post also felt off to me and I typed up and retracted a couple possible reasons why. I was bothered by the red line and it might be because I've seen wolves do this when they're worried about villagers they're pushing clearing themselves through emotion.
However Syndicate culture is super different from MU with how people react to others getting frustrated with suspicion so it might not be a valid point here. I've seen a lot more people here get suspicious because someone gets frustrated and a lot fewer people here clear someone for frustration.
Also he is a dog so he lied about being bipedal and not having a tail.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:45 pm
Actually it says falcon joined in 2020, so I guess most games I played with him were in 2021, where I made a return to mafia before leaving again at the start of 22. Don't remember how many games I played, though. 3? 4? Still, that's a while ago.
I always say, it’s not the quality of play, it’s the quantity of play. I only play to watch my win/loss ratio get worse over time
I do not even know what my win loss ratio is bc when I first started you only won if you were alive at the end of the game now everyone gets the participation trophy
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:03 pm
The thing that I'm getting a bit hung up on is that if I (being notoriously bad about no showing in recent games) know that it's not out of character for Roxy's recent play to talk about no shows, why doesn't Long Con?
I'm considering where to move my vote and people I feel more town vibes from are on falcon and I am considering there. But the above makes me feel not great vibes from Long Con, so I could see putting a vote there too.
There are entirely too many people I have zero vibes on at all.
If you go there is follow tbh. Long Con is exactly someone who feels like he’s gliding by
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:51 pm
I can’t see anyone being cleared by expressing emotion. I also play mafia how I play chess- i look about 2 steps ahead. But no more than that for my puny little brain. This is planning out seeds to water on mars for when we colonize it in 30 years.
I push players without considering the big picture of how that will affect me down the line, mostly because my memory is such that I’ll probably get myself into trouble regardless of my alignment. I is who I is
I think it's more of an MU thing and as I was writing that post I realized that here has a very different culture wrt people's reaction to emotion. But my thought was that it was like an "uh oh, she's being villagery so I'll push her harder"
Why are you getting 3p vibes from Syn?
Yeah, I don’t know anything about play styles over there. It just seems like if someone expresses emotion in such a way that they would *never* do so as one alignment, that’s just an unfortunate situation. Kinda reminds me of a player we had on TS yeeears ago that had a problem with lying, and made it a point to never lie. This made them really easy to identify as town, and really easy as a wolf, but not much fun to play with.
Syn as 3p started as a joke playing on words when he just responded on page 1 or so as ‘3p’ and it felt like projection. But also his spitballing labels of wolf and 3p feels unaligned. It doesn’t feel like it’s coming from a strong center. So I’m running with my narrative.
Gotta make those broad, sweeping third party accusations on D1, babay!
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:52 pm[VOTE:
Falcon45ca] aubergine
I think Falcon could very well be mafia. He's missing the aggression he has in his town game. It's not just about that he pushed Scotty for a tell that he didn't do, it's that his push on Scotty amounted to shade while also having an out of "maybe this is what he typically does as town".
Town Falcon isn't afraid to just call people mafia, even high posting or influential players. Falcon hasn't done that to his pushes here, they seem safer.
You're wrong, but you have Towny reasons for being so
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:45 pm
Actually it says falcon joined in 2020, so I guess most games I played with him were in 2021, where I made a return to mafia before leaving again at the start of 22. Don't remember how many games I played, though. 3? 4? Still, that's a while ago.
I always say, it’s not the quality of play, it’s the quantity of play. I only play to watch my win/loss ratio get worse over time
I do not even know what my win loss ratio is bc when I first started you only won if you were alive at the end of the game now everyone gets the participation trophy
yeah, if you’re OG on this site, there’s really only nowhere else to go BUT up lol. I still find winning only if alive a terrible premise for incentives, and in terms of playstyle augmentation, I’d probably want to play a worse town game just so I don’t get NK’d. I’d assume town would win less because of this, too. But I might be wrong, haven’t looked at the stats from the Before Times recently
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:52 pm[VOTE:
Falcon45ca] aubergine
I think Falcon could very well be mafia. He's missing the aggression he has in his town game. It's not just about that he pushed Scotty for a tell that he didn't do, it's that his push on Scotty amounted to shade while also having an out of "maybe this is what he typically does as town".
Town Falcon isn't afraid to just call people mafia, even high posting or influential players. Falcon hasn't done that to his pushes here, they seem safer.
You're wrong, but you have Towny reasons for being so
And I guess I still don’t?
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
dunya
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
3
23%
Voters: Thunal33, Wisdom, S~V~S
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jibay
0
No votes
Voters: None
le petit poussin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
2
15%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Syn
Long Con
3
23%
Voters: dunya, Spacedaisy, Scotty
motobot
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
2
15%
Voters: Lime Coke, Long Con
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Syn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
Wisdom
1
8%
Voters: falcon45ca
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:52 pm[VOTE:
Falcon45ca] aubergine
I think Falcon could very well be mafia. He's missing the aggression he has in his town game. It's not just about that he pushed Scotty for a tell that he didn't do, it's that his push on Scotty amounted to shade while also having an out of "maybe this is what he typically does as town".
Town Falcon isn't afraid to just call people mafia, even high posting or influential players. Falcon hasn't done that to his pushes here, they seem safer.
You're wrong, but you have Towny reasons for being so
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 12:45 pm
Actually it says falcon joined in 2020, so I guess most games I played with him were in 2021, where I made a return to mafia before leaving again at the start of 22. Don't remember how many games I played, though. 3? 4? Still, that's a while ago.
I always say, it’s not the quality of play, it’s the quantity of play. I only play to watch my win/loss ratio get worse over time
I do not even know what my win loss ratio is bc when I first started you only won if you were alive at the end of the game now everyone gets the participation trophy
yeah, if you’re OG on this site, there’s really only nowhere else to go BUT up lol. I still find winning only if alive a terrible premise for incentives, and in terms of playstyle augmentation, I’d probably want to play a worse town game just so I don’t get NK’d. I’d assume town would win less because of this, too. But I might be wrong, haven’t looked at the stats from the Before Times recently
Everyone always says this about the old time win cons, but it’s not true across the board. American Gods was the 4th or 5th game played here in 2013, and our win cons were dead or alive. Others might have been as well.
I never liked live only winners, it makes people play for themselves instead of the town.
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:52 pm[VOTE:
Falcon45ca] aubergine
I think Falcon could very well be mafia. He's missing the aggression he has in his town game. It's not just about that he pushed Scotty for a tell that he didn't do, it's that his push on Scotty amounted to shade while also having an out of "maybe this is what he typically does as town".
Town Falcon isn't afraid to just call people mafia, even high posting or influential players. Falcon hasn't done that to his pushes here, they seem safer.
You're wrong, but you have Towny reasons for being so
And I guess I still don’t?
Do you actually think I'm Maf?
I'm not so sure you do
I’m literally that sweating superhero pressing 2 buttons gif on you and Long con, don’t tempt me
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
motobot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:07 pm
At the moment I am two pages behind and catching up. I don't have any important things to say or any new reads on anyone.
For now until or if I find anything to change my mind, I'm jumping on the [VOTE:
Roxy] aubergine train.
You could start by just commenting on posts that you thought were weird or maybe even just agreeing/disagreeing with people.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:44 am
Crying over a red check is the most adorable and un relatable thing.
This is why I don't wanna be on the wagons that are actually voting out people until I've got a solid grip on the gamestate
The falcon wagon is currently giving me cold feet
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:19 am
For the record, I’m going in order. It’s not like this is the most important DDL/Wisdom post. It’s just the most important one I’ve got to.
But okay.
For context a few months ago a wolf made a similar post d1 (townreading two people but also tinfoiling them being w/w) and I thought it was off, but ended up backing off and I lost to that wolf in f3.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:44 am
I don't understand the case on Scotty
Is there even a proper case? I just noticed the votes going there.
Scotty seems towny on a surface level, I don't know if he's a good enough wolf to be as agressive when having TMI
I feel like this is the first time you’ve really talked about me since coming back into the thread.
Like, I’ve been reading along since you entered this morning nodding my head at your calm, carefree demeanor- like your banter with Sun- and it feels good. But I feel like you’ve avoided me or talking about me up to this point, and that bothered me since I’ve got an anvil pitched above your head.
And for your information, I’m generally aggressive like a tumor in all alignments.
It's a me thing, I kinda focus on a few players at a time and don't register stuff from others unless it's something adjacent to my mind set at a time
Hi I think we might have played together before? It's been a while since I played on syndicate tho so even if true it's unlikely to be helpful to solve you
I don’t see anything bad in Roxy’s iso besides calling Lime “LC.”
Like there’s a significant overreaction to her being like “Btw these 3 players haven’t posted” and pinging Epi to ask what happens if they don’t post at all today.
Feels bad from Lime. I don’t remember who else reacted to it even though I just read it.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:02 am
I was gonna stay parked on Roxy for most of the day but someone posted a quasi-angle shooty reason for why Roxy's inactive hunt post makes sense coming from here so I gotta leave before this wagon grows.
I was already feeling LC was blendy before his awkward attempt to pocket dunya, now I just wanna yeet here.
[VOTE:
Lime Coke] aubergine
This mirrors my thoughts on Lime’s iso. Looks like he’s going through the motions.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:02 am
I was gonna stay parked on Roxy for most of the day but someone posted a quasi-angle shooty reason for why Roxy's inactive hunt post makes sense coming from here so I gotta leave before this wagon grows.
I was already feeling LC was blendy before his awkward attempt to pocket dunya, now I just wanna yeet here.
[VOTE:
Lime Coke] aubergine
LC has given quite a few more reads beyond me, like why he trusts thunal and svs. he makes more town reads than mafia reads in general, i feel. i like that he gave credit to his svs read more than me cos he's played more with her recently too. i feel he would have pocketed me harder if he was mafia.
hasn't he already posted that you're his ride-or-die town
I think we might have played together before? It's been a while since I played on syndicate tho so even if true it's unlikely to be helpful to solve you
