Napoleon Dynamite Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Syn]

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

[Syn]

I have no strong feelings about this game. someone do something provocative

Ok.

[VOTE: Jibay] aubergine

I want to chop Rask so I can't judge this very hard

[Syn]

nevermind rask can rot

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

[Thunal33]

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Actually, it usually has been in my experience. I just played a game where Lucchese self voted and gave up as mafia d1, and the game before that Pizza gave up and lolcatted after he was top wagon but it wasn’t set in stone and he flipped mafia.

I wasn’t sure Falcon was mafia and my thinking it was weird people didn’t think that post was outing was actually wondering if he was town and mafia had TMI so they didn’t treat it as outing. I thought it was a good guess Falcon was mafia and it upped his odds of being mafia quite a bit in my head, but it wasn’t a sure thing.

[Scotty]

It's 6 min left, right?
Where is everyone? (how many in the PL are america time-zoned?)

VOTE##Motobot
I. DON'T. KNOW.

I feel like people here are town which implies wolves are chilling due to Falcon being town >_>

Like this progression sort of came out of nowhere.

[Thunal33]

I’m a little bit sus of Wisdom’s response that town make those sort of posts all the time because at least on MU that’s not been my experience. @Wisdom could you please link a time you played where a town claimed mafia and gave up?

[Scotty]

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Actually, it usually has been in my experience. I just played a game where Lucchese self voted and gave up as mafia d1, and the game before that Pizza gave up and lolcatted after he was top wagon but it wasn’t set in stone and he flipped mafia.

I wasn’t sure Falcon was mafia and my thinking it was weird people didn’t think that post was outing was actually wondering if he was town and mafia had TMI so they didn’t treat it as outing. I thought it was a good guess Falcon was mafia and it upped his odds of being mafia quite a bit in my head, but it wasn’t a sure thing.

I’d like to give you benefit of the doubt, because falcon was only lead wagon by 1 vote at that time if I recall. So that’s hardly a grounds to give up.

But the seeds were planted, and I have this strange feeling you and wisdom could be a duo but I can’t put into words why atm

[Wisdom]

I don't think I would have changed anything tho

No, but I did note that wisdom did try to flashwagon with 5 min to go in my back read.

In hindsight, that could have been a good call. Maybe.

But my initial thought before the flip was that Wisdom might have been operating under a bit of internal…Wisdom.

But I’ll let them shed a light- @Wisdom are you known to start Willynilly flash wagons on D1?

It happens yeah, I'm mostly known for hating stiff main wagons (which sometimes leads to saving wolves, tbf)

[Wisdom]

Nice save btw!

[Thunal33]

I did see a town give up in a game I played in September, but he retracted it and decided to play the game after. I was giving Falcon room to retract it.

[Wisdom]

It's 6 min left, right?
Where is everyone? (how many in the PL are america time-zoned?)

VOTE##Motobot
I. DON'T. KNOW.

I feel like people here are town which implies wolves are chilling due to Falcon being town >_>

Like this progression sort of came out of nowhere.

In thread maybe
I didn't like motobot's posts and had him in bottom tier in my read list

[Wisdom]

I’m a little bit sus of Wisdom’s response that town make those sort of posts all the time because at least on MU that’s not been my experience. @Wisdom could you please link a time you played where a town claimed mafia and gave up?

Pretty sure Lumi (or Wisp) did it in s9sf3, even with a self vote
I know I've seen it more times but not exactly which games

[Thunal33]

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Actually, it usually has been in my experience. I just played a game where Lucchese self voted and gave up as mafia d1, and the game before that Pizza gave up and lolcatted after he was top wagon but it wasn’t set in stone and he flipped mafia.

I wasn’t sure Falcon was mafia and my thinking it was weird people didn’t think that post was outing was actually wondering if he was town and mafia had TMI so they didn’t treat it as outing. I thought it was a good guess Falcon was mafia and it upped his odds of being mafia quite a bit in my head, but it wasn’t a sure thing.

I’d like to give you benefit of the doubt, because falcon was only lead wagon by 1 vote at that time if I recall. So that’s hardly a grounds to give up.

But the seeds were planted, and I have this strange feeling you and wisdom could be a duo but I can’t put into words why atm

It's kind of obvious why you think that because I defended her all d1 and I can't really do much to say we're not paired. I am much less confident in her after her EoD because it felt like it could have been a last minute cred grab.

[Scotty]

Dammit, I'm busted D1 as Maf...AGAIN!



This keeps happening, gee whiz



You talkin' 'bout TOAST? I'm talkin' 'bout BREAD



You talkin' 'bout GROSS? I'm talkin' 'bout NET



Good luck team

This post happening with 3 hours left to go gives me bad vibes
I don't know what to make of it really

It’s weird to me that nobody’s treated it as outing. Normally when someone makes a giving up post there are people who take it at face value. I’m cautious about that and even I’m inclined to take it at face value.

Also Wisdom bringing attention to falcon’s post giving ‘bad vibes’, thunal reaffirming the weird vibes comment, and then

Dammit, I'm busted D1 as Maf...AGAIN!



This keeps happening, gee whiz



You talkin' 'bout TOAST? I'm talkin' 'bout BREAD



You talkin' 'bout GROSS? I'm talkin' 'bout NET



Good luck team

This post happening with 3 hours left to go gives me bad vibes
I don't know what to make of it really

It’s weird to me that nobody’s treated it as outing. Normally when someone makes a giving up post there are people who take it at face value. I’m cautious about that and even I’m inclined to take it at face value.

I've been burned by town making similar posts too many times tbh, maybe even more than wolves, but I really don't want to call such posts towny

So once again, putting doubt on falcon making this from a towny perspective, ending with ‘I don’t want to call such posts towny’


Then the flashwagon.

It just feels like Wisdom knows falcon is bad and is trying a random name at eod knowing it won’t stick to appear good. I can’t shake it.

[Scotty]

I don't think I would have changed anything tho

No, but I did note that wisdom did try to flashwagon with 5 min to go in my back read.

In hindsight, that could have been a good call. Maybe.

But my initial thought before the flip was that Wisdom might have been operating under a bit of internal…Wisdom.

But I’ll let them shed a light- @Wisdom are you known to start Willynilly flash wagons on D1?

It happens yeah, I'm mostly known for hating stiff main wagons (which sometimes leads to saving wolves, tbf)

Noted

It’s just that all the prior posts leading to that made you appear more on the side of suspecting falcon than not.

But if you say you are known for switching things up even without justification, it is what it is

[Wisdom]

It's 6 min left, right?
Where is everyone? (how many in the PL are america time-zoned?)

VOTE##Motobot
I. DON'T. KNOW.

I feel like people here are town which implies wolves are chilling due to Falcon being town >_>

Like this progression sort of came out of nowhere.

In thread maybe
I didn't like motobot's posts and had him in bottom tier in my read list

Also can't remember anyone talking about moto which is kinda iffy

[Scotty]

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Actually, it usually has been in my experience. I just played a game where Lucchese self voted and gave up as mafia d1, and the game before that Pizza gave up and lolcatted after he was top wagon but it wasn’t set in stone and he flipped mafia.

I wasn’t sure Falcon was mafia and my thinking it was weird people didn’t think that post was outing was actually wondering if he was town and mafia had TMI so they didn’t treat it as outing. I thought it was a good guess Falcon was mafia and it upped his odds of being mafia quite a bit in my head, but it wasn’t a sure thing.

I’d like to give you benefit of the doubt, because falcon was only lead wagon by 1 vote at that time if I recall. So that’s hardly a grounds to give up.

But the seeds were planted, and I have this strange feeling you and wisdom could be a duo but I can’t put into words why atm

It's kind of obvious why you think that because I defended her all d1 and I can't really do much to say we're not paired. I am much less confident in her after her EoD because it felt like it could have been a last minute cred grab.

It wasn’t obvious to me is the thing lol

Gun to head, do you find her wolf or town?

[Thunal33]

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Actually, it usually has been in my experience. I just played a game where Lucchese self voted and gave up as mafia d1, and the game before that Pizza gave up and lolcatted after he was top wagon but it wasn’t set in stone and he flipped mafia.

I wasn’t sure Falcon was mafia and my thinking it was weird people didn’t think that post was outing was actually wondering if he was town and mafia had TMI so they didn’t treat it as outing. I thought it was a good guess Falcon was mafia and it upped his odds of being mafia quite a bit in my head, but it wasn’t a sure thing.

I’d like to give you benefit of the doubt, because falcon was only lead wagon by 1 vote at that time if I recall. So that’s hardly a grounds to give up.

But the seeds were planted, and I have this strange feeling you and wisdom could be a duo but I can’t put into words why atm

It's kind of obvious why you think that because I defended her all d1 and I can't really do much to say we're not paired. I am much less confident in her after her EoD because it felt like it could have been a last minute cred grab.

It wasn’t obvious to me is the thing lol

Gun to head, do you find her wolf or town?

Wolf lean. I had my own bad vibes about the gamestate at EOD and even wondered if Falcon was being TMIed town. Her EoD felt like TMIing Falcon town and she didn't have any good reason to townread Falcon other than DADV.

[Scotty]

It's 6 min left, right?
Where is everyone? (how many in the PL are america time-zoned?)

VOTE##Motobot
I. DON'T. KNOW.

I feel like people here are town which implies wolves are chilling due to Falcon being town >_>

Like this progression sort of came out of nowhere.

In thread maybe
I didn't like motobot's posts and had him in bottom tier in my read list

Also can't remember anyone talking about moto which is kinda iffy

But let’s be honest with ourselves- there were more players at the time with actual votes and suspicions laid down: Long Con, Lime, Roxy.
Putting a rogue vote with 5 min on moto when, as you agree, no one had talked about him, was a fool’s errand if you really wanted to yeet him.

Also noting that in doing so, you voted off a main wagon when you yourself had 2 votes to falcon’s eventual damning 4 votes. That’s pretty ballsy,,..if you actually thought votes could away that much in the last 5 min.

[Wisdom]

@dunya You usually have a good track record on Spacedaisy iirc, what's your take there?

[Scotty]

It's 6 min left, right?
Where is everyone? (how many in the PL are america time-zoned?)

VOTE##Motobot
I. DON'T. KNOW.

I feel like people here are town which implies wolves are chilling due to Falcon being town >_>

Like this progression sort of came out of nowhere.

In thread maybe
I didn't like motobot's posts and had him in bottom tier in my read list

Also can't remember anyone talking about moto which is kinda iffy

But let’s be honest with ourselves- there were more players at the time with actual votes and suspicions laid down: Long Con, Lime, Roxy.
Putting a rogue vote with 5 min on moto when, as you agree, no one had talked about him, was a fool’s errand if you really wanted to yeet him.

Also noting that in doing so, you voted off a main wagon when you yourself had 2 votes to falcon’s eventual damning 4 votes. That’s pretty ballsy,,..if you actually thought votes could away that much in the last 5 min.

could *sway

[Scotty]

@Jibay come out to plaaaaay

[VOTE: wisdom] aubergine because that feels better atm

[Wisdom]

It's 6 min left, right?
Where is everyone? (how many in the PL are america time-zoned?)

VOTE##Motobot
I. DON'T. KNOW.

I feel like people here are town which implies wolves are chilling due to Falcon being town >_>

Like this progression sort of came out of nowhere.

In thread maybe
I didn't like motobot's posts and had him in bottom tier in my read list

Also can't remember anyone talking about moto which is kinda iffy

But let’s be honest with ourselves- there were more players at the time with actual votes and suspicions laid down: Long Con, Lime, Roxy.
Putting a rogue vote with 5 min on moto when, as you agree, no one had talked about him, was a fool’s errand if you really wanted to yeet him.

Also noting that in doing so, you voted off a main wagon when you yourself had 2 votes to falcon’s eventual damning 4 votes. That’s pretty ballsy,,..if you actually thought votes could away that much in the last 5 min.

I mean, I would have self pressed if needed
But like I said, I don't like voting on main wagon unless I'm confident they're a wolf or town read counter wagons. I didn't town read any of the names you mentioned, I can see Roxy be town but not hard enough to vote to defend her

[Wisdom]

I'll stick to this for now
Vote:Motobot

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It's 6 min left, right?
Where is everyone? (how many in the PL are america time-zoned?)

VOTE##Motobot
I. DON'T. KNOW.

I feel like people here are town which implies wolves are chilling due to Falcon being town >_>

Like this progression sort of came out of nowhere.

Eh I dunno felt like pretty legit townie anxiety to me.

[Scotty]

I apologize- I dug further and missed this one

Crying over a red check is the most adorable and un relatable thing.

This is why I don't wanna be on the wagons that are actually voting out people until I've got a solid grip on the gamestate
The falcon wagon is currently giving me cold feet

You did preface here, so fine.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Ima keep poking around.

What do you think of Long Con?

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I be zoomin

[S~V~S]

Yay no death! So Good Job whoever. We have two potential protections and a block.

Sorry Falcon.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It just feels like Wisdom knows falcon is bad and is trying a random name at eod knowing it won’t stick to appear good. I can’t shake it.

...

falcon was town

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It's 6 min left, right?
Where is everyone? (how many in the PL are america time-zoned?)

VOTE##Motobot
I. DON'T. KNOW.

I feel like people here are town which implies wolves are chilling due to Falcon being town >_>

Like this progression sort of came out of nowhere.

In thread maybe
I didn't like motobot's posts and had him in bottom tier in my read list

Also can't remember anyone talking about moto which is kinda iffy

I mean moto is a non-player at this point. There was nothing to talk about.

He did become considerably more suspicious with his craptastic EoD vote.

Speaking of that.

[VOTE: Moto] aubergine

[Thunal33]

Yeah would yeet Roxy or Falcon over someone like Scotty.

that's the first time you mention falcon. why falcon in your opinion?

You know I went into his iso after you asked me this because I was going to mention one of his posts was a vote with reasoning of nothing in the game but it was literally a joke post so that is gone.

I might not actually be as confident in him being mafia the only reason I'd think of voting him is basically a situation of the CW being a townread of mine.

Can you explain your thought process around this switch on Falcon? What vote without reasoning did you think he made and why did you find it scummy?

[Scotty]

It wouldn’t be a game without 25% of the players with fewer posts than the host

At the moment I am two pages behind and catching up. I don't have any important things to say or any new reads on anyone.

For now until or if I find anything to change my mind, I'm jumping on the [VOTE: Roxy] aubergine train.

Yo

You read most the game and made a bandwagon vote for no reason.

Didn’t even buy a ticket for that train smh

[Scotty]

It just feels like Wisdom knows falcon is bad and is trying a random name at eod knowing it won’t stick to appear good. I can’t shake it.

...

falcon was town

Er yes, that’s what I meant

[S~V~S]

I'm going to eat dinner and watch Severance. I'm hooked.

I might go back to my original sus, Wisdom. bbl.

[Thunal33]

@Wisdom what is your read on Lime Coke?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It just feels like Wisdom knows falcon is bad and is trying a random name at eod knowing it won’t stick to appear good. I can’t shake it.

...

falcon was town

Er yes, that’s what I meant

Good, I was picturing a whole 48h debating whether you got a dumbtell clear and was feeling tired already just from imagining it.

[Scotty]

Current wolf list based on elliptical framing and acute insanity:

long con
moto
Thunal
Le petit

[Scotty]

It just feels like Wisdom knows falcon is bad and is trying a random name at eod knowing it won’t stick to appear good. I can’t shake it.

...

falcon was town

Er yes, that’s what I meant

Good, I was picturing a whole 48h debating whether you got a dumbtell clear and was feeling tired already just from imagining it.

nah, but don’t worry, I’ll manufacture a dumbtell in a bit, hasn’t happened yet

But you’ll know it when you see it

[Thunal33]

Current wolf list based on elliptical framing and acute insanity:

long con
moto
Thunal
Le petit

I should not be in there. I explained exactly how and why I got to my conclusion on Falcon and I'm one of the relatively few people who's putting in effort to solve the game.

[Scotty]

I'm going to eat dinner and watch Severance. I'm hooked.

I might go back to my original sus, Wisdom. bbl.

Lemme know what you make of the beginnings of D2 here. Already some great brain games

[Scotty]

Current wolf list based on elliptical framing and acute insanity:

long con
moto
Thunal
Le petit

I should not be in there. I explained exactly how and why I got to my conclusion on Falcon and I'm one of the relatively few people who's putting in effort to solve the game.

You missed the part where I am having acute insanity

[Thunal33]

Current wolf list based on elliptical framing and acute insanity:

long con
moto
Thunal
Le petit

I should not be in there. I explained exactly how and why I got to my conclusion on Falcon and I'm one of the relatively few people who's putting in effort to solve the game.

You missed the part where I am having acute insanity

I guess I'll go with it. You're making me feel better about you based on your posts today but I don't really have a concrete reason beyond feeling towny and some mindmelds on Wisdom.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So guys, as I have already estabilished through solid observation and logical reasoning, Lime is mafia.

But allow me to entertain another thought:

I was gonna stay parked on Roxy for most of the day but someone posted a quasi-angle shooty reason for why Roxy's inactive hunt post makes sense coming from here so I gotta leave before this wagon grows.

I was already feeling LC was blendy before his awkward attempt to pocket dunya, now I just wanna yeet here.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

LC has given quite a few more reads beyond me, like why he trusts thunal and svs. he makes more town reads than mafia reads in general, i feel. i like that he gave credit to his svs read more than me cos he's played more with her recently too. i feel he would have pocketed me harder if he was mafia.

the only thing i didn't like from LC was his wisdom read maybe felt wishy washy and like a cute cushion backfall if he had to swap from roxy and wisdom yeet was bac into steam.

i would say it's likely LC isn't w/w with roxy or wisdom for those reasons.

Yeah would yeet Roxy or Falcon over someone like Scotty.

that's the first time you mention falcon. why falcon in your opinion?

Yeah would yeet Roxy or Falcon over someone like Scotty.

that's the first time you mention falcon. why falcon in your opinion?

You know I went into his iso after you asked me this because I was going to mention one of his posts was a vote with reasoning of nothing in the game but it was literally a joke post so that is gone.

I might not actually be as confident in him being mafia the only reason I'd think of voting him is basically a situation of the CW being a townread of mine.

i iso'd him too and don't feel like falcon has contributed nothing like some players, but i also don't feel like he contributed much especially in the way of follow up after asking people questions.

as a cushion you mean?

I'm not up to date with 2025 mafia lingo, but I didnt like the way he went... "I think dunya leans town, and she might be on to something with Roxy, so I dunno, I might vote there later (if it becomes a wagon to save a teammate)"

I tend to get suspicious when people approach the leading wagons of the day with wishy-washy posts like that. Leading wagons kill people, you should be resaponsible about them.

oh i dont know if cushion is any mafia lingo. it was just a bit of a backfall in the same way i felt his stance on wisdom was wishy washy and a good cushion so he can vote wisdom at any moment later on if traction went back without being out of place. so maybe we're talking about the same things, albeit about different people.

i see when you called him out on roxy he immediately placed his vote there, but i understand what you're saying i'm just not sure i felt that irked about his roxy post in specific at the time since obviously it's my hunch and i want to be right lol.

These are teammates.

She first acknowledges Lime's existance when I accuse him. And she does by defending him, but pointing out he is "wishy-washy" about a different post. So that's some fence sitting.

Then she questions Lime about his falcon suspicion, but when he replies, she moves on to collaborate with Lime on getting falcon killed.

And after I reply to the first of dunya's quotes, she once again reaffirms that she suspects Lime for being wishy-washy on Wisdom, while still defending him on the Roxy post and justifying that she "wants to be right".

I originally thought Lime was pocketing dunya, but maybe it's not pocketing. It's teamwork.

[Thunal33]

Wisdom isn't my main push because I have another push I think is a hit more often.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

I reexamined him and I think his agreeableness with immediately retracting his scum vibes on Falcon is a bad look for him, especially because Falcon flipped town.

I also don't think town Brad has me in his strong towns immediately. When we turbo together he has me in his town leans at most unless I've cleared myself because he's paranoid of me.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[S~V~S]

I'm going to eat dinner and watch Severance. I'm hooked.

I might go back to my original sus, Wisdom. bbl.

Lemme know what you make of the beginnings of D2 here. Already some great brain games

Oh I will. I have thoughts. I have just been forcing myself to avoid spoilers all day.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Jibay
@motobot
@le petit poussin

It's day 2. Please start interacting with people already.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm going to eat dinner and watch Severance. I'm hooked.

I might go back to my original sus, Wisdom. bbl.

Lemme know what you make of the beginnings of D2 here. Already some great brain games

Oh I will. I have thoughts. I have just been forcing myself to avoid spoilers all day.

wdym

[Thunal33]

These are teammates.

She first acknowledges Lime's existance when I accuse him. And she does by defending him, but pointing out he is "wishy-washy" about a different post. So that's some fence sitting.

Then she questions Lime about his falcon suspicion, but when he replies, she moves on to collaborate with Lime on getting falcon killed.

And after I reply to the first of dunya's quotes, she once again reaffirms that she suspects Lime for being wishy-washy on Wisdom, while still defending him on the Roxy post and justifying that she "wants to be right".

I originally thought Lime was pocketing dunya, but maybe it's not pocketing. It's teamwork.

Maybe. It's hard imo to tell the difference between a wrong townie defending a wolf (if Lime is a wolf) and a wolf defending a wolf. My read on dunya independently was pretty much "solvy and inquisitive enough to get a town lean d1"

[Thunal33]

I'm going to eat dinner and watch Severance. I'm hooked.

I might go back to my original sus, Wisdom. bbl.

Lemme know what you make of the beginnings of D2 here. Already some great brain games

Oh I will. I have thoughts. I have just been forcing myself to avoid spoilers all day.

Spoiler: show

dw I'm not that mean also I haven't even watched the show