Napoleon Dynamite Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Thunal33]

ok, I’m not quoting anything here but I just did an iso of Thunal RE: Wisdom, and damnnnn is it bad.

D1:
-defending all day. Starts firm, then is ‘town-y’
-I recall you jumped down my throat for misconstruing what wisdom said- so much so that you scum read me for it. In hindsight, that feels like a distraction away from wisdom and onto a patsy

D2:
-comes in with some suspicion of wisdom, but it’s softball. Asks a few other people ‘why is wisdom towny to you?’
-has Wisdom as one of three POEs at one point
-votes there, with a caveat of ‘I may not end here’
-soon thereafter, recants and says maybe wisdom isn’t all that bad, goes back to feeling town, and all but puts out that fire on wisdom.

There’s a whole lot of compatible partner energy here, and I would also hazard to say thunal pivots away from wisdom to go onto lime coke, making me think if lime is good, it looks even WORSE for thunal.

and…well…

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Actually, it usually has been in my experience. I just played a game where Lucchese self voted and gave up as mafia d1, and the game before that Pizza gave up and lolcatted after he was top wagon but it wasn’t set in stone and he flipped mafia.

I wasn’t sure Falcon was mafia and my thinking it was weird people didn’t think that post was outing was actually wondering if he was town and mafia had TMI so they didn’t treat it as outing. I thought it was a good guess Falcon was mafia and it upped his odds of being mafia quite a bit in my head, but it wasn’t a sure thing.

I’d like to give you benefit of the doubt, because falcon was only lead wagon by 1 vote at that time if I recall. So that’s hardly a grounds to give up.

But the seeds were planted, and I have this strange feeling you and wisdom could be a duo but I can’t put into words why atm

this is coming back to me from D2

No, I didn't go back to having Wisdom as town after that. I always had her in my PoE on d2. In fact, I typed up and almost sent a vote on her after I switched to Long Con twice. I never gave a townread on her and even told everyone that she could fake nerves in her wolf game so that shouldn't be a town point AFTER I switched my vote. I only had a single hangup with voting her which is why I switched, and I said I was second guessing my vote not that I had reversed my read.

Being hesitant to vote her does not equal townreading her, and I never townread her on d2. You also missed that I had her at the bottom of my reads list when I gave it d2.

I'm kind of connecting this to my individual performance this game which is why it feels important for me to correct this. I know I have problems with backing off of suspicion for bad reasons near EoD because of nerves.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I believe you are Wolf or 3p.

I gathered.

What's this about not talking about towncores? I thought you asked about Wisdom forming a towncore (that I supposed was accurate) and why.

DDL was talking about the likelihood of a Wolf in that Towncore, and you spoke up in favour of no Wolves in that group. This type of behaviour is what I would expect from Jack under heat or close to it. The idea that a Wolf would naturally want to shift suspicion somewhere else, therefore speaking up to shift suspicion OFF players would be part of a tactic to appear unWolfy.

Oh I see.

You meant me when you said "what kind of wolf" or whatever. I thought you were talking about Wisdom, hence me being like "Well....Wisdom was a wolf so..."

[Long Con]

I believe you are Wolf or 3p.

I gathered.

What's this about not talking about towncores? I thought you asked about Wisdom forming a towncore (that I supposed was accurate) and why.

DDL was talking about the likelihood of a Wolf in that Towncore, and you spoke up in favour of no Wolves in that group. This type of behaviour is what I would expect from Jack under heat or close to it. The idea that a Wolf would naturally want to shift suspicion somewhere else, therefore speaking up to shift suspicion OFF players would be part of a tactic to appear unWolfy.

Oh I see.

You meant me when you said "what kind of wolf" or whatever. I thought you were talking about Wisdom, hence me being like "Well....Wisdom was a wolf so..."

Sorry for not being straightforward!

[Jackofhearts2005]

So for the record, I'm potentially defending my packmate in DDL, SVS or Thunal. K.

[Thunal33]

I like doing spew analysis, but I don't think there has to be wolves in Wisdom's towncore. Rule of 3 is pretty dubious and it's really easy for a wolf to just townread 3 widely townread villagers. I'm town and I think DDL and SVS are.

[Long Con]

So for the record, I'm potentially defending my packmate in DDL, SVS or Thunal. K.

No, you would be angling for positive vibes from those players in this scenario.

[Thunal33]

Also I'm not faking regret for having typed up and not sent a vote on Wisdom. It would be crazy for me to fake that as a wolf.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also for the record, my actual reason for voting Dunya was because 3/3 W/W wagons begs wolves to push aggressively. They're dead in the water with the status quo but if the wolves vote together, they only need to convince 2 townies to swing the yeet.

3/3 W/T wagons provides different motivation. Suppose Lime is town and Dunya is a wolf. Dunya has continually passed on actually providing a read on Lime and has gone on record as believing that I am 3P. I'm not entirely sure what wolf Lime does with that.

Regardless, he immediately and aggressively pushed me based on fuck and all so yeah, that was the point all along.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also for the record, my actual reason for voting Dunya was because 3/3 W/W wagons begs wolves to push aggressively. They're dead in the water with the status quo but if the wolves vote together, they only need to convince 2 townies to swing the yeet.

3/3 W/T wagons provides different motivation. Suppose Lime is town wolf and Dunya is a wolf townie. Dunya has continually passed on actually providing a read on Lime and has gone on record as believing that I am 3P. I'm not entirely sure what wolf Lime does with that.

Regardless, he immediately and aggressively pushed me based on fuck and all so yeah, that was the point all along.

ebwop

[Long Con]

Regardless, he immediately and aggressively pushed me based on fuck and all so yeah, that was the point all along.

[Jackofhearts2005]

(I honestly read LC's push on me as experimental. I don't think he thinks I'm a wolf and I think this is a townie push regardless. I don't think w!Lime's partner LC makes this push and I don't think that in a t!Lime world, w!LC makes this push either.)

[Long Con]

(I honestly read LC's push on me as experimental. I don't think he thinks I'm a wolf and I think this is a townie push regardless. I don't think w!Lime's partner LC makes this push and I don't think that in a t!Lime world, w!LC makes this push either.)

You're doing it again.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Lime] aubergine

[Thunal33]

I'm reading Lime Coke's d3 posts now, but my impression is still that he's town. He seems to be town who's not very confident in his reads and specifically wants to be accurate. It's not just his performance in mafia games he's been concerned about in thread, it's specifically his read accuracy which is towny.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I do think v!dunya would have cased me or tryed to interact with me prior to vote me.

She is just ignoring my posts (see the last one where I asked her about eod2 wagons) and voting me. For no sensible reasons that I remember.

Snif

i dunno, i have ptsd from my last mafia game and i know for a fact you would totally fake a derpclear after losing wisdom on a vig shot. i felt very passionate about it last night tbh.

K
Why are u discarding Lime Coke wagon?

i'm not. i haven't gotten to him yet.

I'm gonna need you to iso Lime or whatever and give us an actual answer on him.

Please and thank you.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I guess I haven’t seen this asked yet and am curious about this line of thinking:

Why is Lime Coke town?

It really depends on whether you believe his emotional outbursts are legit (I do) and if you think a wolf can't have them (I don't).

Why does every fucking game has to turn like this? Legit I can't catch a single fucking break and play a single fucking game without getting massively pissed off fucking hell

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

There, how bout now

No, kill Jack.

It's the second time someone unvotes you to vote dunya instead, and you take issue with it. Why not dunya?

Let's... let's do what he says, and kill Jack. Right?

No. It's Lime or dunya. If Lime is town, he can't be too opposed to killing dunya, whose alignment he does not know for sure.

[Thunal33]

Dunya, Jack, Jibay, Nanook, Roxy, and Scotty are the names I don't feel actively good about rn so I'll narrow down my vote in those.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm seriously starting to consider them as maybe mason duo.

Except when prompted to explain what she thinks of Lime, dunya said something like "no I haven't forgotten him, will read later" when the normal would be something like "he's town, trust me".

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm seriously starting to consider them as maybe mason duo.

Except when prompted to explain what she thinks of Lime, dunya said something like "no I haven't forgotten him, will read later" when the normal would be something like "he's town, trust me".

Lol don't give them any ideas.

[Thunal33]

I think only one wolf in thunal and Lime Coke and more inclined towards Thunal still

You made a similar post last EoD right as votes locked and left me intrigued. Why Thunal over Lime?

i feel like thunal has been walking around me. i don't know where i stand in thunal's world. i found her reaction to falcon flip to rid herself of responsibility to be preformative in a way that came across nervous, the eod flash on moto could have been to save her, and i feel like she was distancing from wisdom after first giving them a town read, and some questions she asked seemed a bit "is she really asking this?" to me.

i haven't played mafia in like a year, and last game i played i was embarrassingly bad and pretty much a big reason why we lost to rask.

so please no one follow me unless you have convictions of your own. my heart's not entirely in this game, busy life, not in the right mind frame and mood...etc. so i feel i'm not really getting sucked and engaged. like scotty....he has a gazillion posts and i don't even know if i town read or wolf read him.

p.s. i miss playing video mafia with you @Thunal33 i wish one day nanook can run a game for us.

Thanks and I'd like to play video mafia with you too!

I am walking around you because I'm bad at reading people who are tunneling me. My natural tendency is to OMGUS but that often turns out to be wrong, but then it seems like when I don't OMGUS then that's when the tunneler is scum.

I kind of need to be in the right mindset to separate my own feelings from the read I make on someone who's pushing me and I haven't been there, so I have been trying to solve around you.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Change of pace:

Just looked into Uncle Rico as a character because I don’t remember the movie. Based on the breakdown, he really seems like more of an antagonist to Napoleon than not, and my feeling is that he’s only made into a 3p because he is Napoleon’s family. But the dude is actively despised by Napoleon. I doubt he’s a town-sided entity based on theme, and I wouldn’t assume he would ever be on town’s ’side’

Because he and Napoleon actively feud, and both of them have *secrets* I feel as though they’re linked. It would t surprise me if Rico gains something or becomes more powerful if Napoleon dies.

From the film breakdown, we know Rico is a deadbeat trying to raise cash by roping Kip in to sell breast implants. Epi’s wording here is interesting: “Now you need to raise some sweet moola. You just need something like a nametag that’ll make you look all official and what not.”

Well, he needs something, and in the movie, Deb takes the picture for the name tag. It could stand to reason that he needs something from Deb, but that seems too convoluted to also tie into Napoleon.

Makes more sense for him to need to sell X number of breast enhancements to win. It’s probably like steal a vote or something. Could be unknown to the recipient.

Eh, dunno what I gained from this, but from a design perspective, my thought would be something like:
“Every time a player votes for you, you may steal one of their votes the next day. If you successfully use those votes to get someone eliminated, you sell 1 (or 2) breast implants. You win and are removed if you sell 1 (or 2). As long as Napoleon is alive, it takes 2 (or 3) sold breast implants to win.”
I dunno; something like that.


Tl;dr Rico is probably mafia sided until Napoleon dies. Probably. And even then, I doubt it’s anything good for town

I once played an Epi game where the 3P inherited mafia's kill if mafia was wiped out. Otherwise they had no kill (that indie then went to win the game).

This could be the case, but we will only know if the game keeps going after we finish off all wolves.

[Thunal33]

@S~V~S

I kinda just... changed my mind on a random wim basically?

The problem I'm having is/was that I had my towns on Day 1 and sorta followed it on Day 2... however the people outside of my townreads I didn't feel were correct vote outs for reasons... mainly vibes. Plus I sorta helped get 2 towns voted out so... yeah kinda threw a name in and voted it and Scotty felt like a good vote when I did it.

Like you're gonna be seeing me say this like a shit ton of times...idk for how long for maybe when I can get good results again, but legit I don't know what to do here?

I'm not gonna check isos because I keep getting shit results out of them.

Trying to read through the game but I read the words and they hit a wall in my head and I don't fully have any feelings about them.

Imo, these posts come from someone who actually is so concerned about his accuracy that he's stuck trying to figure things out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@S~V~S

I kinda just... changed my mind on a random wim basically?

The problem I'm having is/was that I had my towns on Day 1 and sorta followed it on Day 2... however the people outside of my townreads I didn't feel were correct vote outs for reasons... mainly vibes. Plus I sorta helped get 2 towns voted out so... yeah kinda threw a name in and voted it and Scotty felt like a good vote when I did it.

Like you're gonna be seeing me say this like a shit ton of times...idk for how long for maybe when I can get good results again, but legit I don't know what to do here?

I'm not gonna check isos because I keep getting shit results out of them.

Trying to read through the game but I read the words and they hit a wall in my head and I don't fully have any feelings about them.

Imo, these posts come from someone who actually is so concerned about his accuracy that he's stuck trying to figure things out.

How do you square that with someone who doesn't seem to actually give a damn if the player he's pushing is mafia or not?

[Thunal33]

@S~V~S

I kinda just... changed my mind on a random wim basically?

The problem I'm having is/was that I had my towns on Day 1 and sorta followed it on Day 2... however the people outside of my townreads I didn't feel were correct vote outs for reasons... mainly vibes. Plus I sorta helped get 2 towns voted out so... yeah kinda threw a name in and voted it and Scotty felt like a good vote when I did it.

Like you're gonna be seeing me say this like a shit ton of times...idk for how long for maybe when I can get good results again, but legit I don't know what to do here?

I'm not gonna check isos because I keep getting shit results out of them.

Trying to read through the game but I read the words and they hit a wall in my head and I don't fully have any feelings about them.

Imo, these posts come from someone who actually is so concerned about his accuracy that he's stuck trying to figure things out.

How do you square that with someone who doesn't seem to actually give a damn if the player he's pushing is mafia or not?

Because he was acting out of anger and it felt like he had enough with being stuck and lashed out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@S~V~S

I kinda just... changed my mind on a random wim basically?

The problem I'm having is/was that I had my towns on Day 1 and sorta followed it on Day 2... however the people outside of my townreads I didn't feel were correct vote outs for reasons... mainly vibes. Plus I sorta helped get 2 towns voted out so... yeah kinda threw a name in and voted it and Scotty felt like a good vote when I did it.

Like you're gonna be seeing me say this like a shit ton of times...idk for how long for maybe when I can get good results again, but legit I don't know what to do here?

I'm not gonna check isos because I keep getting shit results out of them.

Trying to read through the game but I read the words and they hit a wall in my head and I don't fully have any feelings about them.

Imo, these posts come from someone who actually is so concerned about his accuracy that he's stuck trying to figure things out.

How do you square that with someone who doesn't seem to actually give a damn if the player he's pushing is mafia or not?

Because he was acting out of anger and it felt like he had enough with being stuck and lashed out.

Sounds like "he cares a lot about accuracy while not giving reads and he doesn't care at all for accuracy while giving reads" and that's a super weird thing to see and go "Hmm yes this is a townie."

[Thunal33]

@S~V~S

I kinda just... changed my mind on a random wim basically?

The problem I'm having is/was that I had my towns on Day 1 and sorta followed it on Day 2... however the people outside of my townreads I didn't feel were correct vote outs for reasons... mainly vibes. Plus I sorta helped get 2 towns voted out so... yeah kinda threw a name in and voted it and Scotty felt like a good vote when I did it.

Like you're gonna be seeing me say this like a shit ton of times...idk for how long for maybe when I can get good results again, but legit I don't know what to do here?

I'm not gonna check isos because I keep getting shit results out of them.

Trying to read through the game but I read the words and they hit a wall in my head and I don't fully have any feelings about them.

Imo, these posts come from someone who actually is so concerned about his accuracy that he's stuck trying to figure things out.

How do you square that with someone who doesn't seem to actually give a damn if the player he's pushing is mafia or not?

Because he was acting out of anger and it felt like he had enough with being stuck and lashed out.

Sounds like "he cares a lot about accuracy while not giving reads and he doesn't care at all for accuracy while giving reads" and that's a super weird thing to see and go "Hmm yes this is a townie."

I know Lime Coke and I know he gets tilted sometimes. He's still done several things I think are town tells for him, like his worry over his performance, him wondering if he might be the best kill, and that he's weighing how bad he might feel if his votes are wrong.

That wasn't a town lightbulb moment in my head, the town lightbulb moment in my head was when he came back on d2 and started defending himself.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The only reason I'm thinking Roxy is she's probably been less active than what I'm used to seeing from her?

Also for some reason I can't shake the scumread idea from reading her.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Meh

I'm just not seeing what you're seeing at all, Thunal.

[Thunal33]

The only reason I'm thinking Roxy is she's probably been less active than what I'm used to seeing from her?

Also for some reason I can't shake the scumread idea from reading her.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Meh

I'm just not seeing what you're seeing at all, Thunal.

Okay. I don't have to convince everyone, but I'm not budging in my read.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jeez man, put a NSFW tag on this

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Thunal defending Lime when multiple people have said one of them could be mafia is townie af.

[Scotty]

ok, I’m not quoting anything here but I just did an iso of Thunal RE: Wisdom, and damnnnn is it bad.

D1:
-defending all day. Starts firm, then is ‘town-y’
-I recall you jumped down my throat for misconstruing what wisdom said- so much so that you scum read me for it. In hindsight, that feels like a distraction away from wisdom and onto a patsy

D2:
-comes in with some suspicion of wisdom, but it’s softball. Asks a few other people ‘why is wisdom towny to you?’
-has Wisdom as one of three POEs at one point
-votes there, with a caveat of ‘I may not end here’
-soon thereafter, recants and says maybe wisdom isn’t all that bad, goes back to feeling town, and all but puts out that fire on wisdom.

There’s a whole lot of compatible partner energy here, and I would also hazard to say thunal pivots away from wisdom to go onto lime coke, making me think if lime is good, it looks even WORSE for thunal.

and…well…

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Actually, it usually has been in my experience. I just played a game where Lucchese self voted and gave up as mafia d1, and the game before that Pizza gave up and lolcatted after he was top wagon but it wasn’t set in stone and he flipped mafia.

I wasn’t sure Falcon was mafia and my thinking it was weird people didn’t think that post was outing was actually wondering if he was town and mafia had TMI so they didn’t treat it as outing. I thought it was a good guess Falcon was mafia and it upped his odds of being mafia quite a bit in my head, but it wasn’t a sure thing.

I’d like to give you benefit of the doubt, because falcon was only lead wagon by 1 vote at that time if I recall. So that’s hardly a grounds to give up.

But the seeds were planted, and I have this strange feeling you and wisdom could be a duo but I can’t put into words why atm

this is coming back to me from D2

No, I didn't go back to having Wisdom as town after that. I always had her in my PoE on d2. In fact, I typed up and almost sent a vote on her after I switched to Long Con twice. I never gave a townread on her and even told everyone that she could fake nerves in her wolf game so that shouldn't be a town point AFTER I switched my vote. I only had a single hangup with voting her which is why I switched, and I said I was second guessing my vote not that I had reversed my read.

Being hesitant to vote her does not equal townreading her, and I never townread her on d2. You also missed that I had her at the bottom of my reads list when I gave it d2.

I'm kind of connecting this to my individual performance this game which is why it feels important for me to correct this. I know I have problems with backing off of suspicion for bad reasons near EoD because of nerves.

Ok perhaps it wasn’t a defacto town read, but ‘second guessing’ felt like a departure from your scum read. By casting doubt into the fire, you in fact doused it.

Look, at the end of the day, you moved your vote away from wisdom and, even though she was still in your supposed POE, there was no conviction, nor any supposed seriousness in returning there.

[Scotty]

I like doing spew analysis, but I don't think there has to be wolves in Wisdom's towncore. Rule of 3 is pretty dubious and it's really easy for a wolf to just townread 3 widely townread villagers. I'm town and I think DDL and SVS are.

Yeaa rule of 3 can be faked, and I have made certain to plant those erroneously in past wolf games

[Scotty]

(I honestly read LC's push on me as experimental. I don't think he thinks I'm a wolf and I think this is a townie push regardless. I don't think w!Lime's partner LC makes this push and I don't think that in a t!Lime world, w!LC makes this push either.)

Yeah, me neither. This play is highly unlikely as partners

[Le petit poussin]

Thunals defense of Brad looks townie but wrong to me. It doesnt matter how many micro town tells you think he is hitting, I just dont see him solve today.

[Le petit poussin]

(And tbh i can relate the frustration of being wagoned hard. I have been there. But if u have a green role card, you just dont bother defend if u feel u are eating the chop and keep solving to help fellow villagers down the road. Like this is a team game. Hell, people might recognize you are a villager then)

[Jackofhearts2005]

For some reason, I thought the day ended this afternoon and not tomorrow afternoon and was wondering why nobody seemed to have a fire under their ass.

[Long Con]

Thunals defense of Brad looks townie but wrong to me. It doesnt matter how many micro town tells you think he is hitting, I just dont see him solve today.

I don't consider solving to be a reliable town tell.

[Lime Coke]

Jack just an FYI I do care about read accuracy, but at this rate with the treatment I've been given this game and your stupid ass post....I just want you dead.

[Lime Coke]

Why does every fucking game has to turn like this? Legit I can't catch a single fucking break and play a single fucking game without getting massively pissed off fucking hell

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

There, how bout now

No, kill Jack.

It's the second time someone unvotes you to vote dunya instead, and you take issue with it. Why not dunya?

Let's... let's do what he says, and kill Jack. Right?

No. It's Lime or dunya. If Lime is town, he can't be too opposed to killing dunya, whose alignment he does not know for sure.

It's because I townread her strongly and I don't want her dead...fucking hell I'd rather you actually kill me and not kill her in the game at this rate.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why does every fucking game has to turn like this? Legit I can't catch a single fucking break and play a single fucking game without getting massively pissed off fucking hell

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

There, how bout now

No, kill Jack.

It's the second time someone unvotes you to vote dunya instead, and you take issue with it. Why not dunya?

Let's... let's do what he says, and kill Jack. Right?

No. It's Lime or dunya. If Lime is town, he can't be too opposed to killing dunya, whose alignment he does not know for sure.

It's because I townread her strongly and I don't want her dead...fucking hell I'd rather you actually kill me and not kill her in the game at this rate.

Why do you townread Dunya strongly?

[S~V~S]

So coming into today, my top two people for Wisdom equity were Dunya and Thunal.

I still call town on Thunal for the general way she's playing, but also this post. She made it less than a minute after I posted the post she's reacting to, and I 100% do not see Thunal making this post if bad. She's annoyed at me, this is a Thunal version of "WTF SVS?". She reacted to my post without thinking about it, and I just don't see bad Thunal doing that.

It's tied again.

I don't think any of them are particularly bad.

You literally just had me as your top townread. How do you not think me being tied for top wagon is bad?

I tried to keep up today. I don't know what to think of Lime, or of LC, with his chaos thing egging Lime on. I'm not sure if Lime actually susses Jack, or if he's just trying to set up a non-him and non-Dunya wagon.

GTH if I was going to vote now it would be Dunya. But I need to reread today better than I did trying to keep up when i had a few secs at work.

[S~V~S]

Why does every fucking game has to turn like this? Legit I can't catch a single fucking break and play a single fucking game without getting massively pissed off fucking hell

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

There, how bout now

No, kill Jack.

It's the second time someone unvotes you to vote dunya instead, and you take issue with it. Why not dunya?

Let's... let's do what he says, and kill Jack. Right?

No. It's Lime or dunya. If Lime is town, he can't be too opposed to killing dunya, whose alignment he does not know for sure.

It's because I townread her strongly and I don't want her dead...fucking hell I'd rather you actually kill me and not kill her in the game at this rate.

Why do you townread Dunya strongly?

This ^^^ is it a meta thing or what?

[Thunal33]

Ok perhaps it wasn’t a defacto town read, but ‘second guessing’ felt like a departure from your scum read. By casting doubt into the fire, you in fact doused it.

Look, at the end of the day, you moved your vote away from wisdom and, even though she was still in your supposed POE, there was no conviction, nor any supposed seriousness in returning there.

Sure, at least that's what I showed in the thread. In my head I did seriously consider returning there to the point of typing up more than one vote on her but I understand I get zero credit for that.

[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

There was discussion of maybe low posters = mafia further up ^^ .

Night one we had a protector and a jailor (block/protect).
Night two we had the Jailor.

During the night on Night 1, the host posted:

Added "No self-targeting" to the rules. That's an oversight on my part.

Which isn't a guarantee that someone tried to self target night 1, but if so, the listed role most likely to self target is the Protection role, and thus was active N1. Although there are also secrets for one of the baddies and the 3P role, so possible.

Also, Jibay has fewer posts than Roxy, and Nook only has 2 more, and most are from Day 2. Nook had a gap from Weds afternoon to Saturday evening, during which Night 1 happened. Day 2 he voted for you, and that's where most of his posts are.

None of that is to say either of those people seem bad to me, especially not for this reason; just that if i were to vote someone based on potential low show baddies, I would have picked one of those two over Roxy.

So why Roxy, specifically? Did you read her? She didn't have a crazy number of posts but they had plenty of real content, she voted for the known (now) baddie Day 1. If I was voting low posters on Day 3 due to no kills (there are 3 baddies who could have sent it Day 1, and 2 on Day 2) I'd vote either the guy who didn't post for 3 calendar days or the one who is playing his first game and doesn't seem overly invested over Roxy, who has a towny footprint.

You obvs read her posts, you posted this at Day 2 (and voted for her 12 hours later without ever mentioning her inbetween).

Roxy still isn't obvious town to me but that might be me fucking that one up.

I see you changed your vote, but seeing that you even made it gives me feels and they aren't good ones.

You have zero posts about Scotty between this:

Yeah would yeet Roxy or Falcon over someone like Scotty.

And your vote for him. I'm not understanding you at all.

And all this took up my AM Mafia time. As always may or may not be around during work.

I already explained the Scotty part, but the Roxy issue and the stuff I have bolded and underlined for you.


First of all, it's great that now the game of me getting N1'd got brought up so like...I see your name on here and for some reason I had the thought process of "I think I misvoted SVS out when she was town in a past game because I didn't feel like she was towny in that game."
Of course the subject of me getting N1'd came up and I checked and yeah my belief was true and I did fuck up on you in a past game...

So here's the thing... this game I've been saying that I don't feel like Roxy is towny... that's just been the gist of my read.

Typically when Roxy and I are town together, I've found her and townread her with total ease and I rarely second guessed them, much like my read on you SVS.
And I like finding her when she's town because she has good reads.

But the fact that I fucked up on YOU in the past weighs in on my mind and now here I'm thinking "Am I fucking up on Roxy here now like I did with SVS?"
And it's why I'm currently hesitating on voting her because I don't want to be wrong on there and feel bad about it...especially since the read has gone on for multiple day phases.

I get this, Lime, this is actually how I felt about both LC and Falcon for some time in past games, I grossly misread them, and got them yeeted when they were town, and it's also why I'm avoiding Jack in *this* game, cause the last time I played with him, I grossly misread him, went hardcore, and basically hounded him into a yeet. So I 100% get this, thanks for the explanation.

I do not really get why if you're so sure on Jack, though, you voted for two people before him today I'm getting the feel that this is a reactionary vote, rather than otherwise. I won't be voting for Jack today (unless there is some big change like he wolf slips or something) not becasue of that ^^ that I said up there, but becasue I think he's prolly town.

Back to catching up.

[Thunal33]

I'm not gonna talk about thunal all day, I realize I'm in tunnel territory so when I'm on my.laptop I'll focus on wisdom teammates. I forgot for a second wisdom flipped wolf so I'm just looking for two lol

Oooooooh man.

I kinda think there's no world where LPP derptells (real or fake) not knowing Wisdom died, w!Dunya calls that scummy and then turns around and fake derptells forgetting the number of wolves remaining.

Otoh, actually forgetting Wisdom is dead two seconds after its been talked about ought to be NAI.

I think forgetting Wisdom died is weird. I wouldn't forget a wolf died as town but I also wouldn't forget a wolf died as a wolf.

Dunya is 3p? half joking

[Le petit poussin]

Thunals defense of Brad looks townie but wrong to me. It doesnt matter how many micro town tells you think he is hitting, I just dont see him solve today.

I don't consider solving to be a reliable town tell.

It's not necesseraly a bijection you know. I didn't say he was townie because solving (which is still hard to fake ), I said he is most likely a wolf because he isn't solving.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Jibay] aubergine

I know it's a bit of a nothing vote but I want my vote somewhere. I don't think he's given a single concrete reason for a read other than LPP being town for not showing up early and that is closer to new player scum in my mind. Dunya and Jack could both go either way for me and I still have to sort through my hangups on them being wolves. I had town vibes from both earlier in the game and I also want to respect SVS's town shield on Jack because she's one of my strong town reads.

[Thunal33]

I am also taking Lime's dunya read into consideration. I find that a lot of times other people can see what I can't which is why I have a hard time going against other people's strong town shields.

[Le petit poussin]

Ok perhaps it wasn’t a defacto town read, but ‘second guessing’ felt like a departure from your scum read. By casting doubt into the fire, you in fact doused it.

Look, at the end of the day, you moved your vote away from wisdom and, even though she was still in your supposed POE, there was no conviction, nor any supposed seriousness in returning there.

Sure, at least that's what I showed in the thread. In my head I did seriously consider returning there to the point of typing up more than one vote on her but I understand I get zero credit for that.

you got me Thunal. I just don't think a wolf keeps posting stuff like this. or kuddos, like impressive range and all.

[Thunal33]

Ok perhaps it wasn’t a defacto town read, but ‘second guessing’ felt like a departure from your scum read. By casting doubt into the fire, you in fact doused it.

Look, at the end of the day, you moved your vote away from wisdom and, even though she was still in your supposed POE, there was no conviction, nor any supposed seriousness in returning there.

Sure, at least that's what I showed in the thread. In my head I did seriously consider returning there to the point of typing up more than one vote on her but I understand I get zero credit for that.

you got me Thunal. I just don't think a wolf keeps posting stuff like this. or kuddos, like impressive range and all.

You're right and I think making that read is towny.