Assassins in the Palace [END]

[Epignosis]

But Day 1 is still "G1!" shit so [VOTE: nutella] aubergine for not recognizing my amazing Peaky Blinders entrance.

[nutella]

peaky blinder? i hardly know her

[falcon45ca]

Very concerned about how Foxy keeps mentioning me. ToT Feels like he is buddying. And I don't understand his fixation on Thunal. So, I am voting him as my most sussed person atm. [VOTE: Foxy] aubergine

Scotty seems the most towny to me.

Made it a tie to try and save His Majesty Long Con.

Interesting

[Epignosis]

What does ToT mean? It is supposed to be a drum set?

[daisukenowaifuke]

What does ToT mean? It is supposed to be a drum set?

does it not look like a face with tears streaming down the cheeks? smth similar to T_T or T.T

[Scotty]

I see some people are actively trying to solve.
I didn’t expect anyone to actually follow me, so time to change course!

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[S~V~S]

So are we random voting? And then we coalesce? Did we decide on a strategy? I'll go back and read, but have only skimmed so far.

And of LC's smilies I like best. Of the rest, I like And to whoever said it, reminds me of Epi, too.

@falcon45ca the Silmarillion was a hard read for me; I recall how Fingolfin started but for the life of me can't recall how he ended.

Fingolfin ended in single combat against Morgoth, where he hewed the Dark Lord seven times, and seven times did he injure Morgoth. Alas, Fingolfin could not kill Morgoth and grew weary; in his last act of defiance stabbed the Dark Lord in the foot, who would thereafter walk with a limp, before being killed by Morgoth


The Silmarillion is like reading a textbook almost, I had to change my mindset to read it


Thoughts on Foxy?

I tried and tried, but the Silmarillion defeated me

I have complex thoughts on Foxy, I want to reread them today when I have time at work. They made that one post about, "Oh we know who the king is?" and while *I KNOW* that slips barely happen, "barely" isn't never. I tend to distrust people who try (or seem to try) to steer a thread, and I tend to push back against them and find that sus. Thats a me thing, not a Foxy thing. I'm ambivalent, it could also be they are at a new site and want to jump in with both feet. This is why I generally make it my policy not to vote new people day 1, so they can get their feet under them, and I can get past human nature; "Different = bad!!!!"

Other than that I have no thoughts at all on any topic.

[Foxy]

Hear me out. We go no yeet forever and either the assassins are forced to make the most inaccurate possible shots or we're stuck in a holding pattern wherein the king never dies and I'd count that as a win.

The host will just add a condition to vote scum out but nice idea hahah

[Foxy]

Nope!

Can you post me some of your recent wolf and town games please?

I was Town in the last one, and Wolf in the one before, and probably Town in the previous few... you can page through my history to see them.

will do so tomorrow, I'll probably go sleep soon

Nah, don't do that. Booooring! I'm exactly like I am here in them.

We'll see sir (I am too lazy to do it)

[S~V~S]

I'm off work and caught up.

I read the wiki page previously and have thought about it.

"However, it still allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery."

There's no distinct advantage about "little more than a lottery." I'm a gambler, and I don't do lottery.

Nevertheless, the presence of two assassins (instead of one) changes the dynamic and provides a little more to work with than blind chance.

It's a little more like finding the damn Destroyer in Battleship.

I agree that that lottery aspect is lame. I've never been one of the "winning is everything" people

But, on my part, I plan on sticking with "no info" in the form of no opinions a day or two, even if workarounds are super obvious to everyone but me. If someone asks me a direct question, I won't ignore it, but i don't plan on asking anyone much of anything myself until I get the feel for how this works, or volunteering opinions on all you lovely people.

No nights is gonna be hard, that's usually my catch up time.

And yes! As soon as i saw it I realized that is your guy.

So to pivot, I decided i can sleep through anything. Last night there was a stabbing at the 7-11 around the corner. I am in NY, but I'm in the suburbs in what was recently voted "the second snootiest neighborhood on Long Island" (which is impossible and only tells me that the people who voted in this poll were unable to get past the gates in the actual 2nd snootiest neighborhood), and this is not a common thing. Apparently there were cops trolling the neighborhood "blooping" their sirens, there were *helicopters* (my landlord texted me about all of this, and I slept through the texts and didn't see then till this AM) low flying with searchlights, and I slept through the whole thing.

[Foxy]

RIP dear Host. I accuse FOXY of everything evil. [VOTE: foxy] aubergine Didn't even know the King's name is Long Con.

Game, set, match, assassin.

Aww, I am getting voted already. Well, I am used to it as my style is pretty aggro inducing.

(Also, ngl, although not as attractive as blobs, you actually changed my opinion on those smilies. They are kinda cute now.)

[Foxy]

Oh wait, there are two assassins? That reference thing only had one. Oh darn, now I've gone and revealed my royal self as King! Protect me, guards!!

Sir sir, you are not a King in my heart. Only in my heart tho.

[S~V~S]

Well, it's been fun. Gotta go get ready for work, hopefully they got the stabby guy and he's not hiding in the shrubs outside the door. I'll be in to read, but Imma try and keep my flappy mouth shut.

[Foxy]

Jay the Jagged is indeed trustworthy.

2.5678 iirc

[Foxy]

I hereby accuse [VOTE: leetic] aubergine of being an impostor

I hereby like both you and leetic.

[Foxy]

Hi everyone!

This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.

If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.

But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.

And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?

How many Maf have you caught w/ this question?



I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer

Glad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?

Did you not read my first post?

Sir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.

[Foxy]

Everyone just act normal. They won't even dare try to kill me, because of the audacity of the actual King revealing himself openly like this. The more I normalize it, the less-inclined they will be to kill me. You guys can call me Your Majesty if you like. It's okay. I know how their minds work.

The Con of Long doth protest too much
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I like you sir.

[Foxy]

I think I'd rather have an Emperor/Empress over King/Queen



Just feels like there's more granduer, ya know?

I like King and Queen over Emperor/Empress

That aside, sir, your contribution to the game has been very limited to the flavor

That's all i plan to talk about from here on out. Fun stuff. I'll possibly vote suspicions, but possibly wont (<-- Love this one, too).

If, though, a compelling reason comes up to do otherwise, I'll be open to it. As of now, though, I think putting as little info out into the universe as possible seems wise.

Instead I'll post some haiku about silence.

The silence speaks well,
how time passes seamlessly...
moment to moment!

And from yesterday,
to the day called tomorrow...
we'll live out our lives!...

Nah, the only reason people played lotto in that game is because there was only 1 scum so there was no reason not to. Here, scum are MUCH more easy to influence opinion as they are the only legit team here. On the other hand, they will have to do usual scum tactics as well, whether they want to or not. It's actually quite simple. This is a game of who is better at hiding your partner. 10 town or 2 scum. I veto random voting and if you guys hate it, just vote me out. I have other projects I have to deal with anyway so I don't mind.

[Foxy]

I went random of the people who don't have votes, and got [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine . I'll be back maybe later, maybe just for my usual predawn post, and I'll move it if need be. Since it now seems the King can die in a tie, I'll vote to protect him from that.

this...

[Foxy]

I suppose now would be a good time to check my role card, eh?

honest to god this was funny af and it was also smart hahahah

[Foxy]

No hard feelings, this isn’t the first time people have disagreed with the way I play and it’s not the first time people have scumread me for it. In response to one of your questions no, I’m not mafia.

And I’m actually trying to figure out the answers to some of your earlier questions because while my strategy is a good idea for 6 player AITP I kind of want to see how it translates to 13 player AITP and if it’s any different.

Just to check in, you don't feel uncomfortable with me engaging in this discussion more as I sure do have questions to ask?

I don’t think this discussion is too bad because it kind of continues what’s already there so idt we’re giving the assassins much new info. Giving lots of reads is what we have to be most careful of.

It looks like about a 70% chance town is able to kill both assassins before they reach parity if we eliminate by random (because I’m a nerd and felt like making a script for it). We can use the info we already have and any new info to increase that chance, but we’re already in a pretty good spot for eliminating both assassins. The assassins aren’t in such a good spot from the start, they have to get more info to be able to make good shots.

And Avalon does have a ranking system and sometimes tournaments but I’ve never played one.

0. I was asking if I was personally making you feel uncomfy hahah as you didn't seem engaging at the start. Glad that's not the case.
1. What makes you believe that eliminations will be random?
2. Can you show me the process behind the calculations?
3. Oh nice, I might check out the game.

No you're fine, I just had to think through if I wanted to engage.

1. I don't but it can be an okay baseline to get an idea of town's chances.

2. Open up Python and ask ChatGPT to write some code. My understanding is that it recursively computes probabilities until all the mafia are eliminated or mafia reach parity. Kind of similar to these calculations but not the same since this game has no night kills. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... EV_Project

Trust me, I tried using chatgpt for school and projects. It's math is equal to a 5 year old kid's at times. Worst part is, it does well in disguising it but it in fact usually calculates wrong

ToT ChatGPT is pretty good, lately. Have you tried the latest ver? It's good at even word problems in areas of physics and chem.

I used it for physics and electrotechnics for my college. I'd rather have asked a child. At least it wouldn't mislead me...

[Foxy]

Very concerned about how Foxy keeps mentioning me. ToT Feels like he is buddying. And I don't understand his fixation on Thunal. So, I am voting him as my most sussed person atm. [VOTE: Foxy] aubergine

Scotty seems the most towny to me.

Okie, scotty is town then.

[Foxy]

I would be down for some big brained mech idea, if I understand its efficacy.

I literally explained how it's likely for scum to reach final few with random voting. And then I just explained how it's probable that it won't be random voting cuz you know, they are actually a team.

[Foxy]

I'm off work and caught up.

I read the wiki page previously and have thought about it.

"However, it still allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery."

There's no distinct advantage about "little more than a lottery." I'm a gambler, and I don't do lottery.

Nevertheless, the presence of two assassins (instead of one) changes the dynamic and provides a little more to work with than blind chance.

It's a little more like finding the damn Destroyer in Battleship.

+1 sir

[Foxy]

So are we random voting? And then we coalesce? Did we decide on a strategy? I'll go back and read, but have only skimmed so far.

And of LC's smilies I like best. Of the rest, I like And to whoever said it, reminds me of Epi, too.

@falcon45ca the Silmarillion was a hard read for me; I recall how Fingolfin started but for the life of me can't recall how he ended.

Fingolfin ended in single combat against Morgoth, where he hewed the Dark Lord seven times, and seven times did he injure Morgoth. Alas, Fingolfin could not kill Morgoth and grew weary; in his last act of defiance stabbed the Dark Lord in the foot, who would thereafter walk with a limp, before being killed by Morgoth


The Silmarillion is like reading a textbook almost, I had to change my mindset to read it


Thoughts on Foxy?

I tried and tried, but the Silmarillion defeated me

I have complex thoughts on Foxy, I want to reread them today when I have time at work. They made that one post about, "Oh we know who the king is?" and while *I KNOW* that slips barely happen, "barely" isn't never. I tend to distrust people who try (or seem to try) to steer a thread, and I tend to push back against them and find that sus. Thats a me thing, not a Foxy thing. I'm ambivalent, it could also be they are at a new site and want to jump in with both feet. This is why I generally make it my policy not to vote new people day 1, so they can get their feet under them, and I can get past human nature; "Different = bad!!!!"

Other than that I have no thoughts at all on any topic.

Sir, did you not read the second sentence of that post?

[Foxy]

Okay, preliminary thoughts:

Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.

Need to reread: Longcon

[Foxy]

Yeah so, aham, I wanted to make a scum case or two but I have no idea how to ISO hahah. Guys, help?

[S~V~S]

Yeah so, aham, I wanted to make a scum case or two but I have no idea how to ISO hahah. Guys, help?

Since I'm prolly one of them, and i love reading about myself (who doesn't??) I'll help you out.

At the top of the page you'll see "

Board index> Active Mafia Games>The Heist

Click on "The Heist"

You''ll see the subforum. In the "Assassins in the palace" thread, you'll see the number of posts (at this time it's 276). Click on that number, and that lists all the isos by post count. Clicking on the individual post # brings you to that persons posts in thread.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I haven't read anything but I legit don't know how to solve in this setup.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?

Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.

[Foxy]

Yeah so, aham, I wanted to make a scum case or two but I have no idea how to ISO hahah. Guys, help?

Since I'm prolly one of them, and i love reading about myself (who doesn't??) I'll help you out.

At the top of the page you'll see "

Board index> Active Mafia Games>The Heist

Click on "The Heist"

You''ll see the subforum. In the "Assassins in the palace" thread, you'll see the number of posts (at this time it's 276). Click on that number, and that lists all the isos by post count. Clicking on the individual post # brings you to that persons posts in thread.

I'll do it later. I'm totally not lazy. Totally.

[Foxy]

I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?

Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.

I mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah so, aham, I wanted to make a scum case or two but I have no idea how to ISO hahah. Guys, help?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?

Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.

I mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.

Boy do I have some bad news for you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, 12 vs 3 was the standard when I first started many centuries ago so 11 vs 2 does seem pretty townsided.

[Foxy]

Yeah so, aham, I wanted to make a scum case or two but I have no idea how to ISO hahah. Guys, help?

oh, so it was that simple. Thanks!

I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?

Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.

I mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.

Boy do I have some bad news for you.

Mind explaining?

Yeah, 12 vs 3 was the standard when I first started many centuries ago so 11 vs 2 does seem pretty townsided.

Agreed.

[Scotty]

Okay, preliminary thoughts:

Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.

Need to reread: Longcon

I feel like keeping you alive for as long as possible is best for town’s interest

[S~V~S]

That doesn’t work on phone do I explained it the way that works for phone on on a PC.

[Foxy]

Okay, preliminary thoughts:

Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.

Need to reread: Longcon

I feel like keeping you alive for as long as possible is best for town’s interest

Aye sir, good decision

[S~V~S]

Ugh

That doesn’t work on phone do I explained it the way that works for phone or on a PC.

Fixed

[Foxy]

That doesn’t work on phone do I explained it the way that works for phone on on a PC.

When I check in on phone I will surely not make wallposts so it doesn't matter

[Foxy]

Did I vote? [VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

[Foxy]

Will leave it there for now but there's a good chance I won't change it

[falcon45ca]

Hi everyone!

This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.

If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.

But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.

And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?

How many Maf have you caught w/ this question?



I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer

Glad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?

Did you not read my first post?

Sir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.

Then at the risk of redundancy, for which folks are often downsized, I AM TOWN!

[Thunal33]

I'll also add that being an outed guard isn't that much better than being dead in this setup. If the assassins know not to shoot you, that's one person they can eliminate from their pool for the rest of the game. I think it's a little better than being dead because you can still help town with your vote and the assassins can still tinfoil you, but it sure isn't good.

[Thunal33]

Hi everyone!

This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.

If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.

But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.

And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?

How many Maf have you caught w/ this question?



I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer

Glad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?

Did you not read my first post?

Sir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.

Then at the risk of redundancy, for which folks are often downsized, I AM TOWN!

I started entering my MU turbos with I AM TOWN! because of you.

[Foxy]

Hi everyone!

This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.

If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.

But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.

And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?

How many Maf have you caught w/ this question?



I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer

Glad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?

Did you not read my first post?

Sir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.

Then at the risk of redundancy, for which folks are often downsized, I AM TOWN!

Okie, consider yourself added to the town reads.

[Foxy]

I'll also add that being an outed guard isn't that much better than being dead in this setup. If the assassins know not to shoot you, that's one person they can eliminate from their pool for the rest of the game. I think it's a little better than being dead because you can still help town with your vote and the assassins can still tinfoil you, but it sure isn't good.

Have you heard of POE?

[falcon45ca]

Yeah so, aham, I wanted to make a scum case or two but I have no idea how to ISO hahah. Guys, help?

Directly below your player pic you should see a Posts in topic

[Foxy]

Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?

How many Maf have you caught w/ this question?



I appreciate a direct approach, this technique could be a game changer

Glad that someone here appreciates it. What about you, are you scum?

Did you not read my first post?

Sir, I want an answer not a question. I did read it.

Then at the risk of redundancy, for which folks are often downsized, I AM TOWN!

I started entering my MU turbos with I AM TOWN! because of you.

Okay, this is interesting, elaborate