Assassins in the Palace [END]

[Thunal33]

Along with the reasons provided above, and the fact that she is obviously not King since I am making a scum case on her so it's not a waste even if she is voted out as scum wouldn't target her anyway, I believe that this is a fine elimination for the day.

This is exactly why we shouldn't be pushing and casing people to change who gets killed!

[daisukenowaifuke]

[VOTE: daisukenowaifuke] aubergine

Why should I not vote you?

I have no clue. It's D1 anyway. In a normal game, it's understandable to be mislynched on D1.

[daisukenowaifuke]

Along with the reasons provided above, and the fact that she is obviously not King since I am making a scum case on her so it's not a waste even if she is voted out as scum wouldn't target her anyway, I believe that this is a fine elimination for the day.

This is exactly why we shouldn't be pushing and casing people to change who gets killed!

Funny you pointed it out. Because I read that part and felt like it was pre-emptive bail on Foxy's part for when you don't get lynched/NKed. Sorta felt like he was saving his scum buddy.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: daisukenowaifuke] aubergine

Why should I not vote you?

I have no clue. It's D1 anyway. In a normal game, it's understandable to be mislynched on D1.

1/10 on drive.

Probably not voting you. Will pick someone else later. Tired.

[daisukenowaifuke]

[VOTE: daisukenowaifuke] aubergine

Why should I not vote you?

I have no clue. It's D1 anyway. In a normal game, it's understandable to be mislynched on D1.

1/10 on drive.

Probably not voting you. Will pick someone else later. Tired.

I have drive! For solving! T.T

[Scotty]

I'm not going to defend myself but I do like explaining game theory and strategy, so I'll do that and selectively respond to this case.

And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

I take this post very seriously simply because it gives off "I don't know King" vibes. Because if you knew the King you'd also know that others know the King and as such, it's impossible to vote him out. King may very well be invincible here. This post alone deserves serious consideration on getting voted out.

The problem with defending yourself a lot is that it outs you as not the King. If you get piled on, make a ton of posts defending yourself, and everyone switched to another wagon then you'd just be outed as not the King because you had all that pressure on you and reacted to it like you thought you were going to die. So I'm actually posting that for guards, not the King.

Ok but see my point I was after was that if enough people treat it as the WIFOM game that it is, we can do anything we want!

We can HAVE ketchup in our vanilla ice cream.
We CAN step on a crack and save our mother’s back.

Because everything you’ve stated there can be just as likely.

Like my general philosophy when playing regular mafia is to emulate every game as my town game. Which we all should. But I tend to operate as scum with a distinct type of compartmentalization where I forget that I’m actually scum. Oops! Got lost in the game. Oh baby baby.

I guess it all boils down to how good the king is at also playing the WIFOM game. If they don’t drink wine, for instance, we’re probably hosed

[Scotty]

[VOTE: daisukenowaifuke] aubergine

Why should I not vote you?

I have no clue. It's D1 anyway. In a normal game, it's understandable to be mislynched on D1.

1/10 on drive.

Probably not voting you. Will pick someone else later. Tired.

I have drive! For solving! T.T

Do you also have a need? A need for speed?

[Michelle]

I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

[Michelle]

I gave up long agg to construct cases and I started to both enjoy the game more and spend less time on playing while winning more.
I skimmed Foxy's case and I acknowledge it is a good essay.
That maybe can convince me to vote my friend Thunal at Eod if she is still a wagon. I have to admit I was pocketed by her idea of lazy playing

I am not going to vote LC, Scotry and Epi. Jack made Epi laugh and even if that passed over my head is a plus for Jack. I will not vote Jack as well toDay.

[leetic]

I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

You're not helping your case here

[Foxy]

Wow, this is the most chill game I had to date.

[Foxy]

Okay so, I saw someone wanting Michelle, Dai, and leetic out. Honest to God I forgot for all three why but I remember them leaning on town side in my head so let's not go there today kay?

[Michelle]

I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

You're not helping your case here

Where is the case?

[Michelle]

Okay so, I saw someone wanting Michelle, Dai, and leetic out. Honest to God I forgot for all three why but I remember them leaning on town side in my head so let's not go there today kay?

I agree about Dai.
Tell me please about Leetic being villager.

[S~V~S]

Also, I believe that both of us should change votes.

Aww I was liking the 3-way tie going on

Well I saw Michelle came and didn’t even comment on her two votes, so that’s a big ole shruggery

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine cah CAW

Wanna elaborate on falcon?

I saw him eat a rat once and then fly away.

Are we sure he isn’t just a rat of the sky?

I think of raptors more as sky cats.

Well, it's been fun. Gotta go get ready for work, hopefully they got the stabby guy and he's not hiding in the shrubs outside the door. I'll be in to read, but Imma try and keep my flappy mouth shut.

Assassins in the Second Snootiest Neighborhood Mafia coming soon.

Interesting concept. Not sure if the NIMBY is the town or the wolves.

[Foxy]

Okay so, I saw someone wanting Michelle, Dai, and leetic out. Honest to God I forgot for all three why but I remember them leaning on town side in my head so let's not go there today kay?

I agree about Dai.
Tell me please about Leetic being villager.

I forgot. Something pinged me, that much I remember. I'll do a skim of ISO later

[S~V~S]

Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

[Foxy]

Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

[S~V~S]

Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

Hi Foxy, my name is "Overthinks Everything", nice to meet you.

And no I don't think I am.

Lets say you're one of the assassins (for the purposes of this example, this is not an accusation). You know 11 players are NOT assassins, therefore town.

Player A makes a hard case of Player R
Player B makes a hard case on player S
Player C makes a hard case of player T

You know all of these people are town, so they all know who the king is. R, S and T all get votes, these were pretty good cases.

S is yeeted, and flips Guard.

You, the assassins, now know R & T are also guards, and NOT the King. Cause A and C are unlikely to have made a hard case, a case they obvs believed, on their king.

So now your target pool is reduced by 3 people, not just 1.

[Foxy]

Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

Hi Foxy, my name is "Overthinks Everything", nice to meet you.

And no I don't think I am.

Lets say you're one of the assassins (for the purposes of this example, this is not an accusation). You know 11 players are NOT assassins, therefore town.

Player A makes a hard case of Player R
Player B makes a hard case on player S
Player C makes a hard case of player T

You know all of these people are town, so they all know who the king is. R, S and T all get votes, these were pretty good cases.

S is yeeted, and flips Guard.

You, the assassins, now know R & T are also guards, and NOT the King. Cause A and C are unlikely to have made a hard case, a case they obvs believed, on their king.

So now your target pool is reduced by 3 people, not just 1.

Okie, but I was actually targeting King all the time you just didn't notice cuz you assumed this.

[daisukenowaifuke]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine for having like the most middling ISO ever. And of course I am (or was) the most voted person

Okay, preliminary thoughts:

Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.

Need to reread: Longcon

I feel like keeping you alive for as long as possible is best for town’s interest

Foxy alive, eh...? All right then, you seem like a good chap. I'll sheep you, sir. [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

The two ppl on your wagon both have dumb reasons for voting you. At least Leetic's seems more reasonable. Why are you not voting LC, toDay?

[daisukenowaifuke]

Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

Hi Foxy, my name is "Overthinks Everything", nice to meet you.

And no I don't think I am.

Lets say you're one of the assassins (for the purposes of this example, this is not an accusation). You know 11 players are NOT assassins, therefore town.

Player A makes a hard case of Player R
Player B makes a hard case on player S
Player C makes a hard case of player T

You know all of these people are town, so they all know who the king is. R, S and T all get votes, these were pretty good cases.

S is yeeted, and flips Guard.

You, the assassins, now know R & T are also guards, and NOT the King. Cause A and C are unlikely to have made a hard case, a case they obvs believed, on their king.

So now your target pool is reduced by 3 people, not just 1.

Okie, but I was actually targeting King all the time you just didn't notice cuz you assumed this.

But seriously, does this explanation not make sense to you? Do you find it scummy?

[Foxy]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine for having like the most middling ISO ever. And of course I am (or was) the most voted person

Okay, preliminary thoughts:

Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.

Need to reread: Longcon

I feel like keeping you alive for as long as possible is best for town’s interest

Foxy alive, eh...? All right then, you seem like a good chap. I'll sheep you, sir. [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

The two ppl on your wagon both have dumb reasons for voting you. At least Leetic's seems more reasonable. Why are you not voting LC, toDay?

Dai Dai, you provided no opinions on my wall (that you requested) whatsoever. Please provide some

[Foxy]

Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

Hi Foxy, my name is "Overthinks Everything", nice to meet you.

And no I don't think I am.

Lets say you're one of the assassins (for the purposes of this example, this is not an accusation). You know 11 players are NOT assassins, therefore town.

Player A makes a hard case of Player R
Player B makes a hard case on player S
Player C makes a hard case of player T

You know all of these people are town, so they all know who the king is. R, S and T all get votes, these were pretty good cases.

S is yeeted, and flips Guard.

You, the assassins, now know R & T are also guards, and NOT the King. Cause A and C are unlikely to have made a hard case, a case they obvs believed, on their king.

So now your target pool is reduced by 3 people, not just 1.

Okie, but I was actually targeting King all the time you just didn't notice cuz you assumed this.

But seriously, does this explanation not make sense to you? Do you find it scummy?

Will answer in a bit, eating

[daisukenowaifuke]

I was too lazy to give my thoughts... ToT

Okay so, I believe that this opening is anti-town.

Is it scummy? No. But it's anti-town.

Am I biased? Yes. I joined to play mafia and when I finally randed town I got slapped with "Let's not play mafia."

Do note however, that the strategy she showed was clearly barely related to this game for the following reasons:
1. There is only one scum.
2. Much less players.

Reason number one is a big problem and I'll explain it here simply.
1. There is no group influencing the voting and narrative. Everyone is an individual and so, it's possible to do pure random voting with 1 corruption.
2. For the same reasons, it was impossible to accurately determine scum except for everyone trying to figure it out through a King which is a bad tactic in itself simply because it exposes their King. In truth, in such scenario, town loses more because they are the ones hiding their partner and not otherwise.
3. I have once subbed into a game where only 1 scum was left. It was impossible to determine without looking at previous posts or mech. Or well, you can try psyhological tricks but there's only so much a person can do. In the end, the game ended up on russian roullete until mech confirmed towns won in POE. It's also why that tactic was the best for those specific linked games. The only real info to be found is for scum.

This game, although at first glance is the same, is actually pretty much another setup altogether just with addition of one more scum.

This part is so well thought out; I understand it, I accept it, I like it.

And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

I take this post very seriously simply because it gives off "I don't know King" vibes. Because if you knew the King you'd also know that others know the King and as such, it's impossible to vote him out. King may very well be invincible here. This post alone deserves serious consideration on getting voted out.

What Thunal was saying, and what you responded don't really match? They weren't even talking about the king here.

I'll also add that being an outed guard isn't that much better than being dead in this setup. If the assassins know not to shoot you, that's one person they can eliminate from their pool for the rest of the game. I think it's a little better than being dead because you can still help town with your vote and the assassins can still tinfoil you, but it sure isn't good.

I don't think that any guard would worry about that. This game relies on POE mainly from what I have figured, or even if it doesn't that's how I am playing it. Honestly, the more outed guards we have the better for us. I don't find this particulary scummy but I absolutely don't find this towny and that's worth noting down.

I'll also add that being an outed guard isn't that much better than being dead in this setup. If the assassins know not to shoot you, that's one person they can eliminate from their pool for the rest of the game. I think it's a little better than being dead because you can still help town with your vote and the assassins can still tinfoil you, but it sure isn't good.

Have you heard of POE?

Yeah and it's like the assassins are making a PoE of who's the king. They start with everyone and narrow it down based on how people interact with each other.

Same kinda vibe, feels a bit afraid of POE. This read honestly makes sense if we assume that some town are going to mess up hiding our King but uhh, I am playing with mindset that it's cool as long as I am not at fault.

How does more outed guards make it better when Assassins will also be taking notes on who the guards are to narrow down the scum?

Well, we can fake the king as a guard as well. But, then that player is not really "outed guard". Won't that make a difference?

This is a post she made justifying her read on falcon. Which is fine. However, such simple reasoning isn't something that shouldn't inherently be used to find town and is definitely flawed in the sense that there a particular person doing exactly that but on steroids. Spoiler, it's me. Pretty sure others had similar or higher level of solving and prodding than falcon too.

It's D1. We don't have a whole lot to work with. Esp since most of the playerlist is lowposting.


In total, I think you are too gusty and very valorous to be scum. Sometimes, I do feel like you are nitpicking too much. I think you are town, tho.

About voting Thunal... If we are *sure* she is the best option, we can go ahead. I sheep cause I don't think it's ideal for me to keep voting a lowposter like jackofhearts. I don't think an Assassin would go away like that.

Along with the reasons provided above, and the fact that she is obviously not King since I am making a scum case on her so it's not a waste even if she is voted out as scum wouldn't target her anyway, I believe that this is a fine elimination for the day.

You actually don't need to worry about this. The Assassins will be confused on whether you made a scum case on a king to throw them off. WIFOM.

[daisukenowaifuke]

In this phase, I am comfy with not voting:
Scotty, Epi, TSP, falcon, foxy, LC, jackofhearts.

ordering from most inclined to not vote to least inclined to not vote.

Everyone else is ok to be voted.

[Jackofhearts2005]

oh, so it was that simple. Thanks!

I guess you just treat it like regular mafia and hope for the best?

Any king angle related solving seems like it's gonna backfire either like 1) catch a guard pretending he doesn't know who the king is or 2) make it clear who the king is.

I mean, this is basically 11v2 mountainous with mafia not having night kills unless they die and us having a hidden innocent child. Basically, just role and numbers wise, this is heavily town sided as long as town knows what they are doing.

Boy do I have some bad news for you.

Mind explaining?

The joke is like "Oh, we're bad at mafia here." Which isn't true but that's the joke I was telling.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, 12 vs 3 was the standard when I first started many centuries ago so 11 vs 2 does seem pretty townsided.

Why is Jack always rolling scum?

Oh you missed a semi fake meltdown about this in the last game. It should not have given me a win but it arguably did.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Boy do I have some bad news for you.

[/quote]

Thanks Epi

[Jackofhearts2005]

Deadline is 5:30. My timezone is wrong again so real deadline is my 4:30, right when I get off work. I guess I need to play now then, eh?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't want to yeet Daisuke because I don't think we've played together before. I don't like yeeting people before I get to know them outside of Champs. Same goes for Foxy but he doesn't have any votes so whatever.

[Foxy]

Deadline is 5:30. My timezone is wrong again so real deadline is my 4:30, right when I get off work. I guess I need to play now then, eh?

Try ig. Do your best

[Jackofhearts2005]

Deadline is 5:30. My timezone is wrong again so real deadline is my 4:30, right when I get off work. I guess I need to play now then, eh?

Try ig. Do your best

Spoiler: show

Preemptively explaining the joke. This is Nino from Fire Emblem 7. Her catchphrase is "I'll do my best."

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

[Foxy]

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Wanna explain?

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Wanna explain?

I’m voting the person with the most votes to try to get a runaway wagon. He’s also in my PoE.

[Jackofhearts2005]

RIP dear Host. I accuse FOXY of everything evil. [VOTE: foxy] aubergine Didn't even know the King's name is Long Con.

Game, set, match, assassin.

[daisukenowaifuke]

Leetic's ISO is so clean.
I think he will flip green.
We will be losing a guard.
And making life for town hard.

[TonyStarkPrime]

That doesn’t scan, the meter is more important than the rhyme

[Jackofhearts2005]

didn't even realize Epi was playing

Haven't been. For I have been on a noble quest to locate precious (affordable) eggs for a certain Ye Olde Cakery.

I found three acceptable cartons at one store. Whilst loading them into my carriage, the fucking car alarm next to me went off, and I fumbled my goods.


I'll be along shortly.

[daisukenowaifuke]

That doesn’t scan, the meter is more important than the rhyme

I don't know how meter works.
I only know enough words,
to make my rhymes twerk.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh yeah, Foxy & Thunal prolly both Town right now

Feeling the same from the string of interactions above this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Scotty probably town. Dai maybe scum.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Long Con probably town.

[Foxy]

Okay so, we don't have much time unfortunately

[Foxy]

Guess I'll procrastinate a bit less now

[daisukenowaifuke]

I won't be here for EOD. Not voting the top wagon because I think Leetic is town. I find Thunal's reason for voting Leetic scummy. So, I will ~just~ go ahead and vote her. [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

let’s just kill a zero poster and move on

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, I don't really understand the Leetic case tbh. Nutella is rand. Michelle is OMGUS. Thunal wants a runaway wagon because ??? SVS is voting Leetic as a reminder?

What is this wagon?

[Jackofhearts2005]

let’s just kill a zero poster and move on

We should vote people off in alphabetical order.