Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

#1301

Rip juliets

sorry for kinda suspect u there
Be back tomorrow to discuss more. Gotta go to sleep now

#1302

MovingPictures07 wrote: What is everyone else thinking? I feel we definitely need to see if we can have more discussion today because there was not enough last Day period.

Yeah, there was definitely not enough chatter last day period. And the vote was super scattered because of it.

I think my gut is telling me bea or zombs, personally. I'd also like to point spotlights at Bass and nijuu - if for no other reason, I sense they are flying way under the radar. I don't hear them being mentioned enough at all. Does anyone have a reason these two could be naughty? Their relative silence makes me nervous-

#1303

I remember finding some minor things in my post a while back when I did a re-read with Aces being bad in mind that pinged me for nijuu.

#1304

blindfaeth wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: What is everyone else thinking? I feel we definitely need to see if we can have more discussion today because there was not enough last Day period.
Yeah, there was definitely not enough chatter last day period. And the vote was super scattered because of it.

I think my gut is telling me bea or zombs, personally. I'd also like to point spotlights at Bass and nijuu - if for no other reason, I sense they are flying way under the radar. I don't hear them being mentioned enough at all. Does anyone have a reason these two could be naughty? Their relative silence makes me nervous-

I had the same feeling about both. I always get a bit paranoid about quieter players since they seem careful and don't really post enough to give you any reason to be able to suspect them. I'm not sure if I would consider either quieter then normal. I'm trying to compare ninja's game now to when I have seen her as a baddie, but I can only think of Zelda she was bad in. so I'm curious what llama thinks since he was her teammate that game. (I guess Elo too since she was her teammate that game too. no offense Elo, but I trust llama more this game, and that's the only reason I am more curious what he thinks)
I don't know about bass. I was giving him the BOTD for all the game since he has RL stuff, but i agree he should be looked closer at. I am not suspicious of him for voting me, but I don't like that he still really hasn't elaborated. I guess I just feel that if he was bad, he would have voted for one of the more serious vote getters instead of voting for me. but I'd have to check the timing of his vote and how many were placed/left to see. When I saw his mom last though, she did say he learned everything he knows about mafia from SVS, so he might be more devious then expected

#1305

MovingPictures07 wrote: Zomba, I don't understand who you suspect other than Llama, and I'm not clear why you suspect Llama. Can you elaborate?

#1306

bf, thanks for bringing up Bass and ninja. I was just thinking about them (bass in particular), and am glad to see that others are as well.

Ninja hasn't seemed any more under-the-radar than usual. I always suspect her in games for precisely this reason, but I've come to learn that (especially early in the game when there's lots to catch up on), she tends to be a 1 big, comprehensive post per day kind of gal. She usually adds her thoughts to the areas of discussion that she thinks are still relevant by the time she posts, and doesn't waste her limited posting time on stuff she's not interested in. I know that's true when she's civ (it might also be true when she's bad, but I don't know if she's ever actually been bad in a game I've played?), and that's what I'm seeing here, if a slightly less engaged version (I think she said she's starting a new job, which would account for it). Ninja is not presently on my suspects list.

bass, however, I have some serious pings about. I know many people still have lingering suspicions about me because of my disengagement, but bass' is, like, the definition of an under-the-radar strategy, and I don't think it's entirely attributable to his ongoing RL stuff (for which both he and Rox are in my thoughts

). I dunno. It does feel really unfair to be going after him when he's obviously got RL stuff pulling his focus, and it seems especially not nice to have my entire case against him be "under the radar, posts with no substance, etc" when he has RL reasons for why that might be.....but I do get baddie vibes from him this game, and what really got me thinking that way was the ease with which he latched on to BR's suspicions of me in order to help give them legs, but then ended up voting fs the next day for no reason at all (perhaps so that in the event that I was lynched, which was looking good at that point, there wouldn't be too many baddies among the voters for me?). Here's the exchange I'm talking about:

Bass first mentions me here, during Day 2 when he tries to vote for me but misses the deadline. He says "my post" doesn't feel "genuine", but doesn't indicate what post he's talking about, why it doesn't feel genuine, or what that might mean. This is clearly just a piggy-back onto BR's suspicion of me (though according to the poll, BR didn't vote for me that day after all. Who did she vote for?)

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm voting Canuck because her post really didn't read genuine to me.

The next day, he accuses splints out of nowhere with little rationale or engagement with her. These two posts come right after the other, and read to me as if he realized (or was told bts) that the first post is sketchy, so he posts again 8 minutes later so cover his ass against accusations of throwing things around to see what might stick:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Splits why di you jump around on day one so much?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I find splints vote for zombie kinda weird. After talking about voting a low poster or someone that did something that stuck out to her. I didn't find zombie odd on day one. But I'm find splints a little more suspect now.

Then, as soon as he gets some validation from MP that his vote for splints won't be viewed as completely wacky, he goes ahead and puts his vote there, while making sure to keep the flames of the Canuck-wagon fanned:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
What do other people think? I would really appreciate commentary on these three people specifically as well as what other players you all are looking at and why.

With that said, I doubt I'll vote elsewhere than my 3 suspects, BUT I'm very curious what everyone else is thinking, and am obviously open-minded to the discussion and events of the remainder of this day period.

I have to go now, but I'll be back in the thread off and on until deadline, providing my thoughts.

Linki w/ Bass: Interesting you mention this because this was a point I brought up previously. I thought she mostly satisfied my answer, honestly, but there is something a bit still pinging me from her on a gut level, and I'm not sure I completely believe her. As I stated previously, I think the most suspicious aspect of splints's behavior was how she seemed very ready to hop on the MM train and then steered course to Zombies (that said, I did miss an explanation post in my original statement of this suspicion, so it wasn't a complete turnaround out of nowhere, but nonetheless is the part that I'm still least satisfied with her explanation). I don't think I'll vote for her. Lol, linki again. What other thoughts do you have, Bass?
Well I still find find Canucklehead suspect as well but I'm going to go with my gut and vote splints today. I wish I had more time to explain I will be driving home from the beach and won't be home till after the lynch. So I voting splints.

I encourage everyone to read through bass' posts for themselves. There's less than a page of them, and they are an absolute picture of noncommittal, opportunistic, under-the-radar type play.

Bass is definitely someone I would seriously consider voting for today.

#1307

After a quick re-read of the roles, I think an alternative explanation for Bass' random fs vote (when he actually wanted to stay on the BR train and vote for me) is that he was targeted by Judge Doom. Which would confirm him as a Toon Patrol member.

#1308

Canucklehead wrote:After a quick re-read of the roles, I think an alternative explanation for Bass' random fs vote (when he actually wanted to stay on the BR train and vote for me) is that he was targeted by Judge Doom. Which would confirm him as a Toon Patrol member.

holy crap, I completely forgot about that ability. Thanks for mentioning this Canuck. It's definitely worth taking a look at the votes again with this in mind. May help sniff out some baddies-

#1309

Good point canuck

#1310

Wow cannuck that is a really good point.

I do want to appologize to the hosts and the players for my numskulledness this game. Llama's assesment that I've been uninvolved is pretty much exactly what's been going on. I was admittedly more invested in Death Note and haven't done the two games at once thing in eons. Also when I'm not working, I've had the hubby's birthday and we've been trying to get me a vehicle. I have a long afternoon of running around to do but believe it or not, it was also my intention to reread the entire thread as well. So, I'm taking a notebook with me and Imma try to work on that this afternoon while I'm in waiting room hell.

Canuck - I know my vote for you was super lame and super suspish. I know that I've been a super lame player since this thing started. I'm sorry I voted for you. I panicked about voting before the close and let the panic cloud thinking more clearly.

#1311

Ok so I've done some thinking.

Re: what I posted last night, I tried stepping back and taking a fresh perspective on a couple things, namely my opinion that MP was bad. I think it's funny how sometimes, rereading things you interpret stuff differently. In the heat of the actual moments where MP was trying very hard to convince everyone not to lynch him (ending in Goldens demise ultimately), I thought he wasn't being genuine. Probably had a lot to do with Holdens death and I felt MP was responsible. Golden is one of my closest mafia buddies and I was excited for his return, I felt he was taken from me way too early.

That's all to say, with a fresh set of eyes, I do see his cries as being genuine. I know this contradicts my ridiculous claim yesterday that I couldn't foresee myself voting anyone else, but I am dropping it for now. I hope that everyone agrees this is for the best, because that was really closed minded of me.

Anyway, so I decided to read Sophie's posts, and I'm actually a little alarmed. I don't know its enough to vote her but I may have been blinded by her agreeing with me so much? It just seems like the past couple days she's only been hounding mp. The only other person I can recall off the top of my head she mentioned recently was Juliet's who is now dead bc of the weasels.

Sophie, do you suspect anyone besides MP at this point? I don't think this railroading of MP we've been doing, regardless of whether were right, is productive anymore.

I'm just worried that maybe I was wrong seeing civvie Sophie, because you seemed like her early game and were buddying up with me a little bit. If you're civvie please prove me wrong! I want to drop this feeling that you could be manipulating me. Just some friendly suspicion, but if you give me reason to let it dwell I will pursue this.

That being said, the fact that a lot of her and my opinions thus far seem to have been in the minority, makes me feel a little better, since the mafia likes to blend in and avoid suspicion. I can admire her sticking to her guns.

You may have something there with bass, Canuck, I'll think that over - we really need to pull through today and vote as a unit. Please, let's not spread the vote so thin.

#1312

Canuck, that's outstanding analysis. I didn't even think of that when I read through yesterday, I suppose because I've been just seeing standard behavior from Bass and Blooper and haven't felt pinged by either of them. I think you're probably onto something. I'm curious what Bass is thinking for today's cycle and hopefully he can defend against the points you've made. I would say I'm definitely leaning in that direction for a vote now, but that I agree with BF's most recent post that we should discuss this out fully and figure out where we should go. I don't think people should give up who they feel is most suspicious to vote someone less so (like I did against BF on D1, lol), but we definitely want to avoid a super spread out vote today because I feel that was dangerous yesterday.

BF, I'm glad we've both been able to take a step back on that matter. You're not cleared

, but you're definitely not even within my radar of possible votes today.

BF, what in particular about Sophie's posts have been alarming? I didn't intend on harping on her today or voting for her because I'm trying to reevaluate, but I am curious: What do you make of her switch from focusing on low posters to abandoning it completely? That and her lack of transparency is what was throwing me off.

I'll be busy today because I'm spending one of my last days with Annie before she goes to Houston for training for her new job, but I promise to be back at least once before I cast my vote if I can.

fingersplints wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: What is everyone else thinking? I feel we definitely need to see if we can have more discussion today because there was not enough last Day period.
Yeah, there was definitely not enough chatter last day period. And the vote was super scattered because of it.

I think my gut is telling me bea or zombs, personally. I'd also like to point spotlights at Bass and nijuu - if for no other reason, I sense they are flying way under the radar. I don't hear them being mentioned enough at all. Does anyone have a reason these two could be naughty? Their relative silence makes me nervous-
I had the same feeling about both. I always get a bit paranoid about quieter players since they seem careful and don't really post enough to give you any reason to be able to suspect them. I'm not sure if I would consider either quieter then normal. I'm trying to compare ninja's game now to when I have seen her as a baddie, but I can only think of Zelda she was bad in. so I'm curious what llama thinks since he was her teammate that game. (I guess Elo too since she was her teammate that game too. no offense Elo, but I trust llama more this game, and that's the only reason I am more curious what he thinks)
I don't know about bass. I was giving him the BOTD for all the game since he has RL stuff, but i agree he should be looked closer at. I am not suspicious of him for voting me, but I don't like that he still really hasn't elaborated. I guess I just feel that if he was bad, he would have voted for one of the more serious vote getters instead of voting for me. but I'd have to check the timing of his vote and how many were placed/left to see. When I saw his mom last though, she did say he learned everything he knows about mafia from SVS, so he might be more devious then expected

This is funny, splints, because you pretty much stole almost everything I was thinking about these two players when I read BF's post. Now I feel weird because this doesn't happen to me often due to my talking too much. :P

Regarding Blooper's bad game, she's like juliets to me. I can never tell whether she's being bad or good, all of her posts just read Blooper to me, so my opinion on her is probably worthless.

#1313

BF the only way I could see Sophie being bad is if she was Indy. I've been trying to analyze her votes to see if hers being worth two makes sense but with the crazy lynches I can tell much

#1314

can't not can tell much.

#1315

Well, I'm going back to work from my lunch break so I can't fully elaborate until later. But here's how it started. I was looking for someone who had to vote a particular way on day 2 re dooms ability. I felt sophie could fit the bill. She came in, voted you without elaborating. Imagine if you logged in just in time to vote and read a PM stating you had to vote a particular way but real life got in the way of allowing you proper time to set yourself up for the vote. Because if I'm not mistaken you weren't her focus before that. So anyway I clicked to read her in topic posts and everything since then is pretty closed minded on targeting you.

Linki, yeah I have real pause but I'm just bringing to light what I noticed.

#1316

I mean I felt she did an OK job of elaborating later, fwiw

#1317

Just checking in quickly. I am going to look at this lynch with fresh eyes and read more people that I haven't paid close attention to. I'll be back in a little bit, I have a lot of RL catch up to do today since I spent yesterday in bed.

#1318

Canucklehead wrote:After a quick re-read of the roles, I think an alternative explanation for Bass' random fs vote (when he actually wanted to stay on the BR train and vote for me) is that he was targeted by Judge Doom. Which would confirm him as a Toon Patrol member.

My vote for Splints wasn't random. I had a ton of shit going on that day. I had a little bit of time before I had to go spread ashes and then drive all day. When I got on I did a quick read of splints post which I felt like were flip floppy and I voted her. I have a question for you. The judge can use one of the toon patrol's votes do you really think he would have one vote that way and catch heat and possibly loss a vote he could use?

#1319

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:After a quick re-read of the roles, I think an alternative explanation for Bass' random fs vote (when he actually wanted to stay on the BR train and vote for me) is that he was targeted by Judge Doom. Which would confirm him as a Toon Patrol member.

My vote for Splints wasn't random. I had a ton of shit going on that day. I had a little bit of time before I had to go spread ashes and then drive all day. When I got on I did a quick read of splints post which I felt like were flip floppy and I voted her. I have a question for you. The judge can use one of the toon patrol's votes do you really think he would have one vote that way and catch heat and possibly loss a vote he could use?

Bass, I understand that you have RL circumstances contributing to your gameplay, and I tried to make it very clear in my previous post (the one where I quote you a bunch) that because of your circumstances I insisted to myself that I find something more than just "he's a low poster" on which to ground what was (until my reread of you) mostly a gut feeling. The things I pointed out are my interpretation, base on your posts and actions, of what might be going on. I know you have RL stuff going on, and I empathise with you, but that doesn't remove you from the pool of possible baddies, and I'm not going to give you a pass because of non-game things. Sorry.
Which is, again, not to say that I don't feel for you and your Mom going through what you're going through. I do. I really do.

So to answer your question, yes. I do think the Judge might use his power to "out" baddies. His role is a LMS win condition, and the baddies' NK is just as much a threat to him as it is to the civs. I know many players who choose (whether altruistically or strategically) to play Indys as (for practical purposes) civ-aligned, so there are definitely ways in which I could imagine that role being used to help the civs baddie hunt. I'm not 100% sure of it, of course, but it is a possibility that needed to be stated.

#1320

Well and keep in mind doom probably submits the player they vote for and Maybe which role should do it. But he isn't picking the specific player, or else he'd know everyone in the mafia team.

#1321

Ie he wouldn't know what vote would make someone look natural

#1322

Canucklehead wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:After a quick re-read of the roles, I think an alternative explanation for Bass' random fs vote (when he actually wanted to stay on the BR train and vote for me) is that he was targeted by Judge Doom. Which would confirm him as a Toon Patrol member.

My vote for Splints wasn't random. I had a ton of shit going on that day. I had a little bit of time before I had to go spread ashes and then drive all day. When I got on I did a quick read of splints post which I felt like were flip floppy and I voted her. I have a question for you. The judge can use one of the toon patrol's votes do you really think he would have one vote that way and catch heat and possibly loss a vote he could use?
Bass, I understand that you have RL circumstances contributing to your gameplay, and I tried to make it very clear in my previous post (the one where I quote you a bunch) that because of your circumstances I insisted to myself that I find something more than just "he's a low poster" on which to ground what was (until my reread of you) mostly a gut feeling. The things I pointed out are my interpretation, base on your posts and actions, of what might be going on. I know you have RL stuff going on, and I empathise with you, but that doesn't remove you from the pool of possible baddies, and I'm not going to give you a pass because of non-game things. Sorry.
Which is, again, not to say that I don't feel for you and your Mom going through what you're going through. I do. I really do.

So to answer your question, yes. I do think the Judge might use his power to "out" baddies. His role is a LMS win condition, and the baddies' NK is just as much a threat to him as it is to the civs. I know many players who choose (whether altruistically or strategically) to play Indys as (for practical purposes) civ-aligned, so there are definitely ways in which I could imagine that role being used to help the civs baddie hunt. I'm not 100% sure of it, of course, but it is a possibility that needed to be stated.

Doom can't be night killed so how is the night kill a threat to him?

#1323

so you had time to read all of my posts but not time to give more than a vague couple sentence explanation? I don't buy it

#1324

fingersplints wrote:so you had time to read all of my posts but not time to give more than a vague couple sentence explanation? I don't buy it

Well I'm sorry you don't. I mean how do you defend against people say "oh the judge must have forced bass's vote."

#1325

fingersplints wrote:so you had time to read all of my posts but not time to give more than a vague couple sentence explanation? I don't buy it

If I had more time I would have been able to hear you out and possibly not vote for you.

#1326

Hmmm. I definitely overlooked that last sentence of his role description, bass, so thanks for pointing that out.
However, the fact that the baddies are not a NK threat to him does not negate the point I made about the potential benefits of gaining civ goodwill/helping lynch baddies.

linki: You provide enough evidence/rationale/plausibility that the case for you as a civvie outweighs the suspicion lodged against you...just as you woul defend against any accusation.

#1327

Bass: do you still suspect me? If so, why? If not, what changed your mind?

#1328

rbbt rbbt rbbt rbbt rbbt rbbt.

rbbt.

#1329

ok, well Bass you had said you "wish you had more time to explain". can you do that now than?

#1330

Canucklehead wrote:After a quick re-read of the roles, I think an alternative explanation for Bass' random fs vote (when he actually wanted to stay on the BR train and vote for me) is that he was targeted by Judge Doom. Which would confirm him as a Toon Patrol member.

This actually seems like it could be. Doom doesn't seem to have anything invested in the baddie team winning, so he could use this to find baddies. It would be a good idea to look over both Day 2 and 3 lynches to see if there's anyone else who voted oddly.

Linki: I see Llama is on the Rabbit train. I could see my vote going that way, but I'm also thinking this Doom/Bass thing could make a lot of sense. And, to round out a simple current suspicions statement, I'm still looking at Sophie.

I think MP said my Sophie stuff didn't have much content... you're right, MP, it doesn't yet. As I said in my post about her, I only posted a partial read of her. I still have her posts open in another tab, and I need to go back and continue the analysis of her.

#1331

Sophie wrote:why are so many people vouching for MP? that makes me nervous, first BR and LC, then bea, am probably missing soeone

whaths the rest of the people take on MP?

all i gotta say about me is im civvie, it might sounded that i contradicted mtself, but i just made a mistake i cant explain in the thread, im just saying the civvies will sufer a lot if i die, but, then again, it could help the case cause then civvies will know who to lynch next. im ok to being killed, i dont think i will be offendidly (thats probably isnt even a word) defeinding myself on the thread or pulling quotes and posts. Im civvie but if you dont wanna believe me its fine. I trust it will be ok in the end and the civvies left will do whats gotta be done

FWIW re Sophie this was one of the other alarming posts I saw. I thought the chatter about "so kill me, I'm civ And it will hurt the cause" was a little.. Unnecessary? Not that many were talking about her at this point to really make her a main lynch candidate, so it feels like an over reaction to me. I've done this before when I'm bad. You feel like everyone is accusing you but really it's only a couple people.

#1332

blindfaeth wrote:Well and keep in mind doom probably submits the player they vote for and Maybe which role should do it. But he isn't picking the specific player, or else he'd know everyone in the mafia team.

Nice point bf!

Thanks, bf

#1333

blindfaeth wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:Well and keep in mind doom probably submits the player they vote for and Maybe which role should do it. But he isn't picking the specific player, or else he'd know everyone in the mafia team.
Nice point bf!

Thanks, bf

Good point, bf! So he'd get a slow rolecheck of baddies out of it.

#1334

What's a slow rolecheck?

#1335

Just a heads up: Imma be in a movie when the poll runs out, so I'll have to vote a couple hours before it ends......just in case anyone is set on trying to influence my vote, you're on a 6:30 deadline.

#1336

I know right. I can't believe all the heat im taking for that vote. LC what should I do?

#1337

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I know right. I can't believe all the heat im taking for that vote. LC what should I do?

What the what.

#1338

Canucklehead wrote:What's a slow rolecheck?

Like, instead of Doom knowing all the baddies from the start, he'd slowly get to know them by making them vote.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I know right. I can't believe all the heat im taking for that vote. LC what should I do?

Convince us to see fingersplints your way?

#1339

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I know right. I can't believe all the heat im taking for that vote. LC what should I do?

What the heck is this in response to?

#1340

Canucklehead wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I know right. I can't believe all the heat im taking for that vote. LC what should I do?
What the heck is this in response to?

Not sure... I looked back to see if I had said something to Bass that it was in response to.

#1341

....like, to what does the "I know right" refer? There are no posts in between Bass' most recent post and his last one to which "I know right. I can't believe how much heat I'm taking for that vote" would be an appropriate response....and then the appeal to help from LC is just strange.

...unless, of course, this was supposed to be posted to chat/PM/bts?

#1342

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I know right. I can't believe all the heat im taking for that vote. LC what should I do?

Explain your vote! Buddying up to LC won't save you. Seriously if you don't soon you are most definitely getting my vote. you are playing the "poor me I have nothing to defend against" when you gave me even less

#1343

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I know right. I can't believe all the heat im taking for that vote. LC what should I do?

Slip??????? Wasnt that a PM????

#1344

So lc and bass are baddie teammates? Nice

#1345

Sounds like am to me. How unfortunate bass called out a teammate as well

#1346

Yea this looks bad for both. sadly there will be no playing with rabbit once he finds out he was right about LC

#1347

Well, now we have to decide whether this was a straightforward slip (in which case LC should be the next lynch after Bass), or whether Bass had already given up hope of saving himself from this lynch, and decided to try and take LC down with him.

I think the former is (much,much,much) more likely, but the latter is something to keep in mind.

#1348

I was going to make that point too Canuck. in fact I had already typed it all up and deleted it. I was going to see what LC had to say before

#1349

That thought crossed my mind too but I don't think all hope was lost for bass yet. Still, probably best to lynch bass first rather than vice versa.

And yes, get ready for obnoxious rabbit :P

#1350

I can see option 2 being possible, but bass doesn't have any votes so idkk that he was in enough danger to try and take someone else with him.

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