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Sophie - here is the polls thread where you can see who voted for what item. However, this doesn't mean that the items are still with these same players, of course. We have a baddie stealer, a civ stealer, and then items go to voters when a player is lynched as well.Golden wrote:I dont think Mongoose said anything about it - we got to choose our items at the start without knowing what they did. She chose telegram.
Golden, what do you mean by this? Is there something that can be done that will make it so our item cannot be stolen and we cannot be killed for it?Golden wrote:
If you are civ, you'd want to put the info you have out there now that you know you can't have the item stolen again or be killed for it.
I'm not sure I want to give her a pass because the night actions may have been obvious. Her posts are super sketchy without even considering that. I am ok with either of these ladies. I don't think LC should be let off the hook yet either. He had a lot to gain by silencing TH. Whether or not this was a set up I do not knowS~V~S wrote:Liz I am having problems thinking a bad team would be soo obvious. Which leads me to frame. Also way obvious. He'd ssplodes. Boom.
I don't think Zimbabwe is silenced since I don't think she has been here to pick up her PM if she was. I am much more inclined to vote her than you at this stage, Liz.
Ha ha that should be Zomba, but I left the autocorrect since its funny.
What is she backpedalling about?rabbit8 wrote:I want to vote for Zomba, Liz, then maybe one of these low posters.
I do not have Epi down as civvie, but I'm not willing to lynch someone helping try to find baddies, Liz.
You seem to back peddle on everything you say Liz and that is very incriminating IMO.
Are these some sort of joke questions?Long Con wrote:What is she backpedalling about?rabbit8 wrote:I want to vote for Zomba, Liz, then maybe one of these low posters.
I do not have Epi down as civvie, but I'm not willing to lynch someone helping try to find baddies, Liz.
You seem to back peddle on everything you say Liz and that is very incriminating IMO.
If you don't think Epig is a Civvie, then what makes you think he's actually trying to find baddies?
rabbit8 wrote:Are these some sort of joke questions?Long Con wrote:What is she backpedalling about?rabbit8 wrote:I want to vote for Zomba, Liz, then maybe one of these low posters.
I do not have Epi down as civvie, but I'm not willing to lynch someone helping try to find baddies, Liz.
You seem to back peddle on everything you say Liz and that is very incriminating IMO.
If you don't think Epig is a Civvie, then what makes you think he's actually trying to find baddies?
Read her posts, she is back peddling on a lot of things. I'm not your secretary. I f you don't think she is back peddling on what she has brought up I have to wonder about your sanity and or allegiance.
I don't have Epi down a civvie or indy or a baddie. I think he is looking for baddies as I agree with some of his thoughts. What's your point exactly?
Long Con wrote:Should I wait until you've had your coffee next time? Just saying Liz is backpedalling is very vague, I don't think it's a lot to ask for you to clarify your thoughts, especially after she just posted a large post.
My point on Epig is that he's my number one suspicion for being a baddie. So when I see you saying you don't think he's Civvie, but you don't want to lynch him because he's finding baddies, it raises my eyebrows.
You went very quickly from "I do not have Epi down as civvie" to "I don't have Epi down a civvie or indy or a baddie." Do you think we should read those two statements with the same meaning?
I'm not sure why you would suspect me LizKeen. I specifically said - twice - that I would wait for your responses before I made any decision about whether you were a suspect or not. This just looks like a list of people who have mentioned you. But tell me what you find suspicious or questions you have about me and I will respond.LizKeen wrote:S~V~S wrote:And Jules, no one ever said Liz had a will. Or anyone but Zomba.
I got nothing now.
I explained why I missed the vote. I wasn't even here. I did not get penalized.Epignosis wrote:Zmb & LzKn bth mssd vt.
I am so utterly frustrated with this game! People are picking and choosing which of my posts to bring up as it suits their needs. If I'm so bad who exactly are my teammates? Noone! Let me say this AGAIN..I wasn't trying to protect Zomba, I posted 2 or 3 pages back what I heard night 1 and I took it that the doctor was going to target Zomba's vote to make her look bad and set her up for a day 3 lynch. Later I realized this also could have been an attempt to make distance themselves from her. I would love to hear other opinions on how they would take it. As there seems to be a lot of legitimate suspicion on her I have no idea if we're falling right into their hands or not. Does noone care that what I heard flat out makes Turniphead's post about the doctor-to make MM look bad-a lie? Juliet, so much has gone on since I posted who I was originally suspicious of...remind me who you want my take on again. At this point it just appears I've made myself an easy lynch target and that sucks. If that succeeds and you all have to start saying my bad I would be taking a long look at Epignosis, Juliet's Coffee and Elohcin, TH and Vomp. (And sorry, I do apologize for mistaking your gender)
rabbit8 wrote:Long Con wrote:Should I wait until you've had your coffee next time? Just saying Liz is backpedalling is very vague, I don't think it's a lot to ask for you to clarify your thoughts, especially after she just posted a large post.
My point on Epig is that he's my number one suspicion for being a baddie. So when I see you saying you don't think he's Civvie, but you don't want to lynch him because he's finding baddies, it raises my eyebrows.
You went very quickly from "I do not have Epi down as civvie" to "I don't have Epi down a civvie or indy or a baddie." Do you think we should read those two statements with the same meaning?
What? Did you read her long post, or what? She actually back peddled on me in that post? Reading comprehension an issue?
I'm sorry was my clarification confusing to you? I don't have Epi down as anything. I don't know if he's a civve or anything else. I think he is baddie hunting. They two statements are not in anyway different.
I don't have Epi down as a civve.
I don't have Epi down as a civvie, baddie, or Indy.
Still the same with more clarification.
That is what you where asking for, was it not?
Never mind. 
Long Con wrote:I've already laid out very clearly why I think Epig is a baddie. I believe he killed BR 1.0 on Night 1 in order to frame Metalmarsh. Although he was well aware of the recent history between MM and BR with regard to Night 1 kills, he chose to avoid mentioning what he knew about it. My (same) knowledge of that history led me to believe that MM did not and would not kill BR on Night 1 yet again.
While I was right about MM, Epig led the lynch train on him. It was a setup. I've stated all this before. Epig is a baddie, or he would have had something to say on the situation beyond a meaningless one-liner.
I'd rather lynch Epig to see if it clears Liz, than vice versa as you are suggesting.
It's something to consider for sure. I remember you mentioning this stuff but I don't remember you putting it all together. Yes, I'm well aware that you avoided that as much as you could.Epignosis wrote:BR’s dth ws nt th rsn pgnss sspctd MM.
Agreed. The S~V~S case on her is pretty solid.rabbit8 wrote:Also I would actually like to lynch Zomba before either Epi or Liz.
Long Con wrote:Yes, I'm well aware that you avoided that as much as you could.Epignosis wrote:BR’s dth ws nt th rsn pgnss sspctd MM.
I don't have a case on her, I have s theory. She has pinged lots of folks not just me.Long Con wrote:Agreed. The S~V~S case on her is pretty solid.rabbit8 wrote:Also I would actually like to lynch Zomba before either Epi or Liz.
What if she's silenced?
I would say Zomb would fake it since she is in the hotseat, and TH was not - I don't see any reason why TH would need to fake a silencing at this point.rabbit8 wrote:TH being quiet this long? Is there some way they could both be silenced?
If she does not post all day and TH does not who would fake it? Not sure but I doubt there are two silencer roles. Maybe an item could account for this?
You didn't suspect MM for killing BR, you suspected him because of his self-vote and my subsequent vote on him. You didn't think it was worth mentioning or thinking about the recent history between the two (which we both know you are WELL aware of) because you didn't want it to lead back to you.Epignosis wrote:Long Con wrote:Yes, I'm well aware that you avoided that as much as you could.Epignosis wrote:BR’s dth ws nt th rsn pgnss sspctd MM.
Nh.Long Con wrote:I would say Zomb would fake it since she is in the hotseat, and TH was not - I don't see any reason why TH would need to fake a silencing at this point.rabbit8 wrote:TH being quiet this long? Is there some way they could both be silenced?
If she does not post all day and TH does not who would fake it? Not sure but I doubt there are two silencer roles. Maybe an item could account for this?
You didn't suspect MM for killing BR, you suspected him because of his self-vote and my subsequent vote on him. You didn't think it was worth mentioning or thinking about the recent history between the two (which we both know you are WELL aware of) because you didn't want it to lead back to you.Epignosis wrote:Long Con wrote:Yes, I'm well aware that you avoided that as much as you could.Epignosis wrote:BR’s dth ws nt th rsn pgnss sspctd MM.
It's like in Orson Scott Card's Ender's Shadow. The main character, Bean, is envious of Ender Wiggin and avoids attending any of the 'extra' Battle School classes that Ender is running. He gets called on obsessing over Ender, and he acts incredulous, saying "What do you mean? I'm not obsessed, I don't even go to his classes!" To which Graff replies "Yes, we've noticed. Not even one." And Bean realizes what they see, and thinks sheepishly, How utterly obvious.
That's you. You avoided the subject too much in order to look like you didn't do... what you DID do. Ya dun goofed this time, Epig, and it is utterly obvious.
Long Con wrote:I meant to add, that's a total paraphrase of the exact content of Ender's Shadow, but the meaning is accurate.
Nvr rd Crd.rabbit8 wrote:Long Con wrote:I meant to add, that's a total paraphrase of the exact content of Ender's Shadow, but the meaning is accurate.
I always hated Bean.
no u!Metalmarsh89 wrote:No, go away, I want it.blindfaeth wrote:
It's one of my favourite series.Epignosis wrote:Nvr rd Crd.rabbit8 wrote:Long Con wrote:I meant to add, that's a total paraphrase of the exact content of Ender's Shadow, but the meaning is accurate.
I always hated Bean.
Wasn't me.S~V~S wrote:I was thinking that BR 1.0 could have been Gildrick too, like I think Golden said
Elo, I just meant that if you had a good item, you wouldn't be saying what it did, lest the baddies kill you to get their hands on it. Like, LK is saying the ear horns let you hear some baddie convo. No way she lets on about that while she still has the horns.Elohcin wrote:Golden, what do you mean by this? Is there something that can be done that will make it so our item cannot be stolen and we cannot be killed for it?Golden wrote:
If you are civ, you'd want to put the info you have out there now that you know you can't have the item stolen again or be killed for it.
I'm not sure if this is an admission or a warning.Epignosis wrote:Nvr rd Crd.rabbit8 wrote:Long Con wrote:I meant to add, that's a total paraphrase of the exact content of Ender's Shadow, but the meaning is accurate.
I always hated Bean.
I thought it was meant yo impersonate the reporter role.I doubt llama would make a post using a role name, Gilfrick as the wills writer.Canucklehead wrote:One thing I wanted to mention about SVS' compelling theory about the newspaper article: much of the action in the recent RR game revolved around messages that were assumed to be from the host but we're actually written by players impersonating the host on both sides of the civ/baddie divide, and as a result much chaos ensued. This makes me consider the possibility that, if SVS' theory is correct, that perhaps at least one of the baddies was someone heavily involved in the RR game, most likely someone who lasted a fair while OR someone who kept involved by following along until quite late.
Zomba definitely fits the bill there.
Obviously this observation is not airtight. Impersonating host messages is hardly a new idea, and non-RR players could certainly have implemented it without being aware of its use in RR.....but I do think it's an interesting connection, and something to keep in mind if SVS is right about the article.
I will he happy to explain anything you need explained later, Juliets. After work.Golden wrote:Yes juliets. But if SVS had died - would you have been able to see it as coming from llama?
That's my point. It didn't come from llama, but the reason I don't think it was a frame job is because I think we might have assumed it was from llama if SVS had died. Since, obviously, the baddies wouldn't have had a chance to see what the will said anyway yet...
As with MM yesterday, though, I think if Zombs is bad she is probably the millionaire, so I'm not intending to put a vote on her unless I can see the vote is going that way.
