Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

[Tangrowth]

So just waiting on rabbit and Long Con to vote.

2 smash coins says each of them votes for the other.

Awesome. I've been making "smash point" bets (that are obviously fake) all the time with Daisy IRL; it's driving her nuts. :P

[Marmot]

So just waiting on rabbit and Long Con to vote.

2 smash coins says each of them votes for the other.

Awesome. I've been making "smash point" bets (that are obviously fake) all the time with Daisy IRL; it's driving her nuts. :P

I was even 50% correct.

[thellama73]

Who killed Golden?

Poll runs till Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:53:38 pm

Bass_the_Clever
0
No votes

birdwithteeth11
0
No votes

Black Rock 2.0
0
No votes

Bullzeye
0
No votes

Canucklehead
0
No votes

DFaraday
0
No votes

DisgruntledPorcupine
3
Dom (5), LizKeen (6), Sophie (7)
13%

Dom
1
Epignosis (17)
4%

Elohcin
0
No votes

Epignosis
0
No votes

fingersplints
0
No votes

juliets
1
DFaraday (12)
4%

LizKeen
0
No votes

Long Con
0
No votes

Metalmarsh 2.0
0
No votes

rabbit8
1
Long Con (23)
4%

Sophie
11
birdwithteeth11 (8), Canucklehead (9), fingersplints (10), juliets (13), Bullzeye (15), Metalmarsh89 (16), DisgruntledPorcupine (18), Black Rock (19), Bass_the_Clever (20), Elohcin (21), Turnip Head (22)
48%

S~V~S
1
S~V~S (14)
4%

Turnip Head
1
Vompatti (11)
4%

Vompatti
0
No votes

Some chump (Host/Mod/Dead/NP)
4
thellama73 (1), Golden (2), Made (3), MovingPictures07 (4)
17%


Total votes : 23

[thellama73]

Night 4

Sophie said "don't kill me, I'm new!"
DisgruntledPorcupine said "Don't kill me either! I'm newer!"

Nobody cared what either of them had to say, but Sophie was the one who caught it right between the eyes.

Sophie has been lynched. She was Jeff Darrell.
You have 24 hours to send in your night actions and choose where to go next.

[Marmot]

RIP Sophie.

[Golden]

Sophie, come join me in the deadie lounge

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

Wow. Didn't see that coming...

[Long Con]

Sorry I stopped posting - I'm sick in bed since last night, and just wasn't up for the Kanye thing.

[fingersplints]

Sophie. sorry, I was so sure this was your baddie game

[juliets]

Oh no! I never, ever would have guessed that she was Jeff. I feel terrible. RIP Sophie, I'm sorry I just couldnt get past that this wasn't like your regular game.

[S~V~S]

THAT is a surprise, tbh, I meant to vote for Sophie, and voted myself by mistake, big fat fingers, little phone screen.

I still don't think it means DP is bad, though. Just that the baddies were howling with Glee in their chatroom. I also had a different person in mind for that role. So that is a double surprise.

[Marmot]

THAT is a surprise, tbh, I meant to vote for Sophie, and voted myself by mistake, big fat fingers, little phone screen.

I still don't think it means DP is bad, though. Just that the baddies were howling with Glee in their chatroom. I also had a different person in mind for that role. So that is a double surprise.

I don't care. From now on, you have joined the ranks of the self-voters, regardless of your phone.

"One of us! One of us! One of us!"

[S~V~S]

First a marmot, now a self voter.

[fingersplints]

I can see this coming up in future games.
"SVS claims to hate self voting but she voted for herself on DAY 4 of HSK mafia"

[rabbit8]

My bad, traffic was a bitch. I would have voted Sophie, rip

[Black Rock]

THAT is a surprise, tbh, I meant to vote for Sophie, and voted myself by mistake, big fat fingers, little phone screen.

I still don't think it means DP is bad, though. Just that the baddies were howling with Glee in their chatroom. I also had a different person in mind for that role. So that is a double surprise.

I was waiting to see you talk to ask you what that was. I voted the wrong person in a game recently. Not myself though. :P

RIP Sophie.

[Bass_the_Clever]

R.I.P Sophie

[Marmot]

I still think we should head over to State St.

[Elohcin]

yeah, I didn't think she was bad. Sorry Sophie.

[S~V~S]

THAT is a surprise, tbh, I meant to vote for Sophie, and voted myself by mistake, big fat fingers, little phone screen.

I still don't think it means DP is bad, though. Just that the baddies were howling with Glee in their chatroom. I also had a different person in mind for that role. So that is a double surprise.

I was waiting to see you talk to ask you what that was. I voted the wrong person in a game recently. Not myself though. :P

RIP Sophie.

We were right next to each other in the poll. I did that once before, I was terrified of a lynch switch the rest of the day

[Long Con]

I still think we should head over to State St.

Sounds good.

[Turnip Head]

Rest in peace Sophie

[Epignosis]

Clark St. this evening.

[LizKeen]

RIP Sophie

I can see why civvies never win. Are we sure there's only 4 mafia? That felt like a mafia rampage.

[Sophie]

[Sophie]

Sophie, come join me in the deadie lounge

Hey friend

[LizKeen]

We've lost all the info roles

[Dom]

[snipped]
I just thought it was interesting.

How?
That wasn't the reason for my early vote-- you are conflating two unrelated topics. That's a reason why my vote isn't suspicious, not why I voted early.
You know the difference.

But you didn't give a reason for voting when you voted for Zomba. When you voted for DP last night, you said you might have a busy day the next day and you wanted to make sure you voted. When you voted for Zomba early, you just said "I voted". And then after someone called you out on the possibility of you voting a teammate first, you responded with:

Also-- starting the vote on someone on your own team that early in the day?

Your Day 3 early vote lacked a complimentary RL explanation for its earliness, but that's okay, you didn't need it because Zomba was going to flip bad, and you could say afterwards that you wouldn't have started the voting on a teammate that early in the lynch. This all leads me to believe that your early vote for Zomba was a calculated move, drawn up to arrive at this exact defensive strategy.

Now you are going after DP for voting Vomps late; you are harping on the importance of vote timing, but you won't acknowledge that Zomba's teammates might have thrown her under the bus yesterday. You think it's more likely that they tried to save her, that DP specifically tried to save her. I've pointed out that Zomba didn't even vote to save herself. Why would DP put his neck on the line to try and save her, when he didn't even place the tying vote? Epi later came in and tied the vote - I don't see you going after Epi at all Dom - and it STILL wasn't enough to save Zomba.

If Zomba didn't vote to save herself, judging by her behavior yesterday, I think there's a good chance that her teammates gave up on her early. Which brings me right back to Dom's vote for Zomba.

Think carefully TH, about what you're saying. Examine the facts of the lynch, my vote, my timing.

Dom said he isn't looking at DP because of what the paper said, he said he's looking at DP solely because of his vote. But Dom is not suspecting, and voting for, the other late Vomps voters. Epi voted Vomps to tie the lynch, and Dom is not looking at Epi. Dom is lying. The item thing must be playing into his vote, even if he doesn't want to say it is.

I think Dom is trying to play off of what the paper says about DP, in that he wants other people to join him in voting for DP because of the item thing, but Dom doesn't want that to be his reason.

That's a nice theory, but a wrong one nonetheless.

Perhaps Epig is bad-- it could be, but I am not suspicious of him at this point.

Because I suspect Dom for things he has said and done, and I don't suspect DP for what he's said and done. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that.

how do you not see how hypocritical you're being?
You have equivocated (falsely, in my opinion) reason to vote me and reason to vote DP.
Then you say there's no reason to suspect DP, but there IS reason to suspect me. However you have EQUIVOCATED the two.
That makes zero sense.

Exactly. I can draw no conclusions from DP because he rarely talks. He always votes late. I don't know why he would vote so obviously if he were a baddie with Zomba, when it seems to me that Zomba's team gave up on her. So I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be suspicious of him.

For the same reason you're suspicious of me, right?
Because that's how you began this argument on me.

Grades were due today (and the system was down Friday), so I've only read along. Home now.

Dom asked this of MM:

Here is something that caught my eye today. First we have blindfaeth's original revelation that regarding the will.


Now this post doesn't match up with blindfaeth's statement. blindfaeth suggested he would inherit "a large sum of money". SVS stated that she would inherit "everything she has". SVS then confirmed that the "everything" meant items.

If SVS is on Zomba's team, this is a perfect result. SVS now has the will, and can manipulate its content to the rest of us if she wants.

If SVS is a civvie, I feel that events would have unfolded differently. Would she have voted for an "infodropper" early and before everyone else?

*cut for brevity*

would you advocate a zombi or an svs lynch first them?

Zomba. If Zomba is civ, I doubt that SVS is a baddie. But the inverse is far more likely.

Linki @TH: I find your comments this evening to be less than useful, amid some bountiful discussion.

Linki @rabbit: Agreed. Better to get the thoughts out than to take them to your grave.

The next time Dom directly references Zomb, it's here.

Now I've said multiple times before that in a two-Mafia setup, there is no civilian credit (people are welcome to continue to argue with me about that, but I'm right). But in a one-Mafia setup (such as this one), there is an advantage to making it look like you sniffed out one of your teammates.

The thing is, there was no sniffing.

I think Zombs is bad.

I think we should vote Zomba fwiw.

And I truly believe Zombi is bad bad news.

That's everything Dom had to say about Zombarella on Day 3. No case, no push- just an early vote and three sentences that say the same thing. That's getting out of the way of the shit before it hits the fan, I say.

What do we do with politicians?

We vote for them.

Yup, you're right. I came out against my teammate almost immediately on Day 3 when there was no consensus at all against them.
Good job! you've figured me out-- carry me away in handcuffs.

Or you could think more critically and realize how freaking wrong you are. But hey-- you're the only one paying attention, so if we're aiming for critical thinking and THIS is the gold standard, then I guess we're screwed.

[Turnip Head]

I understand your perspective, Dom. These are good things to talk about tomorrow. I will attempt to explain my perspective further and, as always, reevaluate what I'm seeing.

[LizKeen]

I feel like the Celestials and the mafia are voting the same people. I can see why the mafia would do it but is there some reasoning the Celestials would do it? Either that or there's some recruited folk.

[Dom]

I understand your perspective, Dom. These are good things to talk about tomorrow. I will attempt to explain my perspective further and, as always, reevaluate what I'm seeing.

I hope, after reevaluation, you can see a way my behavior makes sense.

[Marmot]

I feel like the Celestials and the mafia are voting the same people. I can see why the mafia would do it but is there some reasoning the Celestials would do it? Either that or there's some recruited folk.

This post feels very accusatory to no one in particular.

Is there a pattern regarding certain players that brings you to this conclusion? If so, I am definitely interested to hear about what you're seeing.

[Turnip Head]

I voted State St because it had a lot of votes already.

[LizKeen]

I'm just trying to figure things out. The lynch of Sophie just felt very off to me.

[S~V~S]

Why? Even she admitted she was not playing her civvie game. Pretty much everyone who had a history with her agreed. Most telling, IMO, was that someone who had missed the vote, and me, who misvoted, both said they would have voted her AFTER the lynch post revealed her a civ.

I could have easily avoided accountability via that self vote and being silenced; but I was gonna vote for Sophie cause I believed she was bad.

Looking at the win con's, it would make no sense for the Celestials to intentionally side with the baddies.

[fingersplints]

Lynching celestials is a terrible idea. Literally the only people who would benefit from that are baddies, who can't win with them if all 5 are alive. Because almost everyone was wrong doesn't mean they aren't trying to help the civvie cause.

There were 11 votes for Sophie - so it is even impossible for just mafia and neutrals to have voted her.

[Epignosis]

Equivocate is an intransitive verb meaning "to use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself."

[Canucklehead]

how do you not see how hypocritical you're being?
You have equivocated (falsely, in my opinion) reason to vote me and reason to vote DP.
Then you say there's no reason to suspect DP, but there IS reason to suspect me. However you have EQUIVOCATED the two.
That makes zero sense.

[Canucklehead]

Equivocate is an intransitive verb meaning "to use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself."

Dammit, Epi! Beat me to it whie I tried to figure out the damn Youtube tags.

[Epignosis]

Equivocate is an intransitive verb meaning "to use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself."

Dammit, Epi! Beat me to it whie I tried to figure out the damn Youtube tags.

[Long Con]

Equivocate is an intransitive verb meaning "to use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself."

And Dom is saying that TH is drawing a similarity between his reasons to vote Dom and his reasons to vote DP. What is the word he meant to use?

[Canucklehead]

Equivocate is an intransitive verb meaning "to use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself."

And Dom is saying that TH is drawing a similarity between his reasons to vote Dom and his reasons to vote DP. What is the word he meant to use?

Equate.

[Canucklehead]

From our friends at the OED

[Epignosis]

From our friends at the OED

Not everyone here is attending Duke.

[fingersplints]

You guys must hate my posts. I misuse all the words!

[Canucklehead]

From our friends at the OED

Not everyone here is attending Duke.

Ah, shit. Is it behind a login wall? Sorry.

[Long Con]

From our friends at the OED

Not everyone here is attending Duke.

Ah, shit. Is it behind a login wall? Sorry.

What would we have seen? OR... give us the Login!

[rabbit8]

You guys must hate my posts. I misuse all the words!

[Bullzeye]

I feel like the Celestials and the mafia are voting the same people. I can see why the mafia would do it but is there some reasoning the Celestials would do it? Either that or there's some recruited folk.

Why would either team all vote the same people? That would make it too obvious who they all are. I've never been on a team where all members consciously chose to vote together, in fact it's usually the exact opposite. That's not even getting into how dumb the Celestials would be to work with the baddies. I can see them putting their own team first, it's what I'd do, but they literally can't win with the baddies and are basically an extension of the civs.

[Dom]

Ah, Rob, since you're the only one that knows how to play Mafia, this means everything I say is wrong!