Okay, here's what's really interesting about Russ. Thank you, multiple people, for pointing in his direction, because now I don't feel NKing Elohcin is such a good idea. It seemed pretty clear to me her behavior is classic baddie, and it still could be, but maybe she's just dug herself a newbie hole here.
Nonetheless, here's Russ:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13795#p13795 He votes llama on Day 1 for his DP vote because it pinged him like crazy.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13802#p13802 He says llama is his #1 suspect, and yet then he says the Epi/He-Man and Rox/llama things were personality clashes, like I was suggesting. Now I did think this was weird and I asked him about it because if llama was his #1 suspect, how could he disregard the personality clashes as evidence? I realize that means he was finding llama solely suspicious on his DP vote. But it's still a bit contradictory because he says he thinks I was "spot on" with llama. I never thought llama was bad.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13915#p13915 Here he says if it was a baddie switch to save Epi, it was a "poor idea". He's leaning slightly more towards framing but isn't sure yet.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=13921#p13921 He says his gut is leaning civ on Snow Dog, but does question him. More importantly, he asks He-Man about Epi and states to beware of tunnel vision.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14118#p14118 Then when I'm rezzed and post my giant case, he realizes to switch gears, and agrees that it was an excellent case. But for some reason, he says the thread evidence is stronger for Elohcin than Epig.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14119#p14119 He starts trying to figure out who the 4th person might be, assuming my case is correct, which is very pre-emptive. Eh, Idk on this one. I like to discuss things in advance too, but he would love my case if he is baddie and Elohcin and S~V~S aren't, because then only one of them will go down if everyone listens to me.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14129#p14129 Now on reflection this is pingy. He says Epig's defense seemed "pretty solid". I responded to him and pretty much said, "No, it's anything but! And here's why." He asks for other leads, which is strange, as if he's trying to say, OK, move on!
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14154#p14154 Then he vouches for receiving something for his Day 0 vote. Then he says he agrees with Epig that I'm taking his squashing discussion thing out of context. And then his Epig is Zombie theory! Really strange, because... how are we supposed to even tell who is on which team? There was NO way of knowing that. He pushes for the Elohcin lynch again.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14163#p14163 Trying to get a consensus, really hoping to push for Elohcin subtly.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14214#p14214 Here he finally votes Epig. But he says he "never felt very bad about it before, anyway" (about voting him). I don't know about that one.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=129&p=14361#p14361 Then his most recent post where he takes credit for Epig being zombie. It does feel off, once you read through everything.
In summary, if Elohcin actually is a civvie here, Russ's push to get Elohcin lynched over Epig makes TOTAL SENSE. Then Elohcin would have flipped civvie, Epig would have been possibly cleared, and they could have tried to lynch Snow Dog or llama from there on out.
That being said, Elohcin's behavior still seems really odd to me, but it's very possible we've been hoodwinked, and llama is not the true main scapegoat (that would be more true if S~V~S were bad), but Elohcin is.
She did vote for ship, and then she did eye Snow Dog, and then stick up for Epig, but then vote a low poster. It does seem really bad, but it's possible she just is on her own as well, I suppose.
Snow Dog's more recent posts convince me he's not where we should be looking. I still feel llama is probably not baddie either, but I don't know. I think we definitely need to look hard at Russ and Elohcin, currently. What's interesting is that if Russ is indeed bad, I do wonder about FH, because that seems like a logical connection to me. Anyone have any reads on her?