[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whoa I just noticed the poll ends an hour earlier than I thought it did. We have 2 hours and 20 minutes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't like that Jay offered me as the only lynch option today.

I definitely did not do this.

[Diiny]

I still think 'more words' is an overstatement. I feel like I have to pry reads/interaction outside of self defence out of him forcibly. There's just a complete reluctance to risk anything.

==

I agree with frustration being common for both alignments, which is why I pointed out that angry mm isn't necessarily scum mm. I won't level-of-frustration to measure earnestness.

I think the rating system is the biggest example of the disingenuousnessnessity you're talking about. It doesn't help him convey his innocence at all, and only seeks to damn you. It's more understandable when you consider he thinks you're anti town, though; if a townie thinks an attack coming at him is scummy, it's hard to resist discrediting the author whilst defending yourself. And he's had you down as bad for a while, right?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think the rating system is the biggest example of the disingenuousnessnessity you're talking about. It doesn't help him convey his innocence at all, and only seeks to damn you. It's more understandable when you consider he thinks you're anti town, though; if a townie thinks an attack coming at him is scummy, it's hard to resist discrediting the author whilst defending yourself. And he's had you down as bad for a while, right?

That's the issue. He called me "supatown" last phase after the Bullzeye flip and has never suggested I'm the SK. He seems to think I am town as far as I can tell.

[Diiny]

Whoa I just noticed the poll ends an hour earlier than I thought it did. We have 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Let's avoid those tally shenanigans you hate so much. Vote.

Bads: MM, Rico, Wilgy. SK is amongst them. If there was some kind of firearm pushed up against my head I'd say Rico. Performance before last day phases's tally would be why. Still need to think about the SK placement, though.

[Diiny]

I think the rating system is the biggest example of the disingenuousnessnessity you're talking about. It doesn't help him convey his innocence at all, and only seeks to damn you. It's more understandable when you consider he thinks you're anti town, though; if a townie thinks an attack coming at him is scummy, it's hard to resist discrediting the author whilst defending yourself. And he's had you down as bad for a while, right?

That's the issue. He called me "supatown" last phase after the Bullzeye flip and has never suggested I'm the SK. He seems to think I am town as far as I can tell.

Pfft. what's the context for 'supatown'?

Easy way to find out pink, though.

MM, is Jay town?

[Ricochet]

Hi hi hi hi hi

Marsh, are you a girl?

I'mma read back through toDay's posts, but overall, dragging myself through the end of Hateday and through this EoD will be pretty much the same.

Don't make me pep talk you again, if you start slacking it's going to make me tinfoil.

I'm not slacking, I'm broken by a work's day. I've never had it easy when Mondays and Thursdays were EoDs and this time is no different.

Plus you have reads from me from the Night before this, you have me saying which way I'm leaning, I'm just going to survey the new posts to see if anything changes or shifts my thoughts further.

[Diiny]

You ain't exempt from GTHs, J.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You ain't exempt from GTHs, J.

Sure.

MM - mafia
DrWilgy - mafia (if two remain)

SK - you

town otherwise.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I do think MM's proposed Diiny/motel room couplet as SK candidates has merit if it isn't him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

METALMARSH89

[Diiny]

Here's my observation which bears with it a bad feel.

For a while, Dr Wilgy has been pushing J without ever voting for him iirc.
For a while, J has been pushing Wilgy without ever voting for him iirc.

Do irc?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Here's my observation which bears with it a bad feel.

For a while, Dr Wilgy has been pushing J without ever voting for him iirc.
For a while, J has been pushing Wilgy without ever voting for him iirc.

Do irc?

I had my vote on Doc for 75% of Day 11 before deciding to switch it to confirmed mafioso Bullzeye -- indeed my switch caused an exodus from Doc to Bullzeye.

[Diiny]

that was a pretty fickle vote change too, considering how enthusiastic you were about wilgy (you even used !)

How much worse do you feel about MM than the doc?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

that was a pretty fickle vote change too, considering how enthusiastic you were about wilgy (you even used !)

How much worse do you feel about MM than the doc?

I think the evidence is more substantive for MM.

[Diiny]

Help ease my fears, J.

Can I confirm when you first vocally included MM in your suspects?

What's lacking from Wilgy's case?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Help ease my fears, J.

Can I confirm when you first vocally included MM in your suspects?

What's lacking from Wilgy's case?

I don't remember, I think I GTH'd him bad on Day 7. It is true that I didn't push against MM in any significant way until Day 12. New evidence is relevant at all stages of the game.

Wilgy is still a suspect. His defenses have seemed uninspired and it has taken him too long to give us anything. It isn't "lacking" on its own, but it might be less substantive than MM's case.

[Diiny]

Of course, but I'm scared you're just finding new players to switch your vote from that isn't wilgy whilst maintaining / pushing the idea that wilgy is bad. Just like he's been doing to you.

Wilgy's case isn't just being uninspired and avoiding interaction, it's a reliance on neutral, data based posting, some really fishy votes on scum and some really wishy washy stances. Sell me the MM case.

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy, did you ever explain why you voted bully despite J being the scummiest of your reads?

There was a chance that I was going to be lynched, plus we don't know if drugs are still in play, I wanted to be safe rather than sorry.

I should explain my thoughts on Bullz being an OK lynch, vs the no preference I had previous. He had gone from a state of playing the game to a state of wall flowering and openly admitting he was not catching up. I think Fuzz touched up on this earlier, but had Bullzeye been a civ and given up, there was a good chance we would've lost the game. So the mentality was to get rid of the flower before we were at a LYLO situation, making him an alright Lynch candidate.

If you think I'm just parroting what Fuzz had to say, you can look at the GTH results from back when Roxy, BR, Splints, and Floyd were alive. I marked them all as bad, due to the need to pluck them before the situation was dangerous. I think I had the same opinion of Floyd when his lynch came around, pursue those that I think are bad, lynching a wallflower is alright though.

I'm unsure if Fuzz was town anymore, I'm second guessing it due to his calling of JJJ SK being false, and need to relook him.

My GTH read of Russ and MM come from their claiming of Epi as the SK... They all agreed on epi, even though I'm pretty sure Mac was the only one who had any idea of telling. I need to go back through and read them both. Now... back to the wall of posts I need to sort back through... Maybe after I read up on the current MM cases.

lini: did someone call the Doctor? I'm trying! I promise!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Of course, but I'm scared you're just finding new players to switch your vote from that isn't wilgy whilst maintaining / pushing the idea that wilgy is bad. Just like he's been doing to you.

Wilgy's case isn't just being uninspired and avoiding interaction, it's a reliance on neutral, data based posting, some really fishy votes on scum and some really wishy washy stances. Sell me the MM case.

Meh. Wilgy wasn't a consensus suspect until I put up the big case on him. He's in danger of being lynched in large part because of that. I don't mean to absorb all the credit of course, I'm just saying that I played a big role in his current lynch candidacy. I'm not opposing his lynch either.

We all have our guts and they speak to us however they may. Wilgy's most recent behavior is... weird -- hard to reconcile with any alignment. I don't know what influence it should have on my read. If people would prefer to lynch him over MM I don't see myself opposing that at the last minute. Please do understand though that my suspicion against MM isn't some diversionary crap. I specifically chose to build two huge cases against him as a mafioso AND as a serial killer for a reason.

[Diiny]

I think Fuzz touched up on this earlier, but had Bullzeye been a civ and given up, there was a good chance we would've lost the game. So the mentality was to get rid of the flower before we were at a LYLO situation, making him an alright Lynch candidate.

This doesn't make sense. I said it then to fuzz and I'll say it now. Lynching someone who would lose you the game if he were town DOES NOT MEAN LYNCHING HIM IF HE'S TOWN FIXES ANYTHING. Excuse my caps

You're basing a lot of your reads over something pretty trivial: SK placement. Townies are BOUND to be wrong about something so specific. Especially as relatively early into the game as epi's death. What about their accusations of epi struck you as bad rather than just townies making a mistake as townies are bound to do on such a tricky subject?

[Tangrowth]

It would be unwise to not cast a vote in this poll.

About 1 and 1/2 hours remain in Day 12.

[Ricochet]

First up, "MacBaddie" is either a hamburger themed children's character who pushes kids off swings or some douche from Grey's Anatomy.

I'm not splitting this post, I hate that sorry. I'm gonna work backwards through this because its huge. And I think all I can really do in response is to try and explain what my mindset on each of these players were.

Bullzeye - probably started as a borrowed read at some point but definitely soldified over the days as his behaviour became cagey and defensive, and his participation and heart level dropped. I was kinda confident Choutas wasn't scum so voted Bullzeye over him, and when Bullzeye kept up his non-interest I grew in confidence.

[like an hour later lol]
Actually sorry, there's stuff all over the place. Can you distill it to a few key issues? I'm getting swamped at work and need to focus. I hate asking people to do more legwork so I can come back to this later but yeah.

MacBaddie is how I'm calling him until I finally see a civ play from him, in a future game.

Re: your last paragraph, I don't get this, in general (i.e. when I'm faced up with this scale-it-down rebuttal). My last read on you is basically two paragraphs, how much more do you want me to "distill" it? Two paragraphs, not, say, a point-by-point input that JJJ usually does. Make that four paragraphs, if you include my previous "motel vs a baddie or several" reads - ok, I may have gone overboard with my third read.

The read, in my texts, is literally the "it boils down to" part.

[Marmot]

motel room

[Diiny]

Of course, but I'm scared you're just finding new players to switch your vote from that isn't wilgy whilst maintaining / pushing the idea that wilgy is bad. Just like he's been doing to you.

Wilgy's case isn't just being uninspired and avoiding interaction, it's a reliance on neutral, data based posting, some really fishy votes on scum and some really wishy washy stances. Sell me the MM case.

Meh. Wilgy wasn't a consensus suspect until I put up the big case on him. He's in danger of being lynched in large part because of that. I don't mean to absorb all the credit of course, I'm just saying that I played a big role in his current lynch candidacy. I'm not opposing his lynch either.

We all have our guts and they speak to us however they may. Wilgy's most recent behavior is... weird -- hard to reconcile with any alignment. I don't know what influence it should have on my read. If people would prefer to lynch him over MM I don't see myself opposing that at the last minute. Please do understand though that my suspicion against MM isn't some diversionary crap. I specifically chose to build two huge cases against him as a mafioso AND as a serial killer for a reason.

Yes, you played a large role in The Besmirching of the Name of Wilgy just as he's attempted to play a large role in The Downfall of Jay: 3. And yet, you've never voted for him, or him for you.

Even with that last paragraph it sounds like you're backing away from him. He was your TOP SUSPECT and he's only gotten, as you've said, more suspicious since then. But then the MM case(s) happen(s). I wouldn't call it diversionary; I'd call it a replacement. You're keeping Wilgy in your bad list but plopping your vote on MM. What's annoying me is that it/they is/are a good case(s).

Can you divine what I'm scared of, J?

[motel room]

First up, "MacBaddie" is either a hamburger themed children's character who pushes kids off swings or some douche from Grey's Anatomy.

I'm not splitting this post, I hate that sorry. I'm gonna work backwards through this because its huge. And I think all I can really do in response is to try and explain what my mindset on each of these players were.

Bullzeye - probably started as a borrowed read at some point but definitely soldified over the days as his behaviour became cagey and defensive, and his participation and heart level dropped. I was kinda confident Choutas wasn't scum so voted Bullzeye over him, and when Bullzeye kept up his non-interest I grew in confidence.

[like an hour later lol]
Actually sorry, there's stuff all over the place. Can you distill it to a few key issues? I'm getting swamped at work and need to focus. I hate asking people to do more legwork so I can come back to this later but yeah.

MacBaddie is how I'm calling him until I finally see a civ play from him, in a future game.

Re: your last paragraph, I don't get this, in general (i.e. when I'm faced up with this scale-it-down rebuttal). My last read on you is basically two paragraphs, how much more do you want me to "distill" it? Two paragraphs, not, say, a point-by-point input that JJJ usually does. Make that four paragraphs, if you include my previous "motel vs a baddie or several" reads - ok, I may have gone overboard with my third read.

The read, in my texts, is literally the "it boils down to" part.

Ah ok, let me go back. I was pushed for time at work and it all looked like a bunch of stufffff.

[Ricochet]

My vote will likely go to Wilgy because I know I don' want to be lynched.

motel room

Consecutive posts, too.

[motel room]

motel room

You suspect me?

Not Wilgy?

Cos this isn't you necessarily saving yourself, despite your cranked-up defensiveness you only have one vote atm.

[DrWilgy]

I think Fuzz touched up on this earlier, but had Bullzeye been a civ and given up, there was a good chance we would've lost the game. So the mentality was to get rid of the flower before we were at a LYLO situation, making him an alright Lynch candidate.

This doesn't make sense. I said it then to fuzz and I'll say it now. Lynching someone who would lose you the game if he were town DOES NOT MEAN LYNCHING HIM IF HE'S TOWN FIXES ANYTHING. Excuse my caps

You're basing a lot of your reads over something pretty trivial: SK placement. Townies are BOUND to be wrong about something so specific. Especially as relatively early into the game as epi's death. What about their accusations of epi struck you as bad rather than just townies making a mistake as townies are bound to do on such a tricky subject?

How does it not make sense?

A non playing town at lylo increases your chances of losing IMMENSELY. If there's a chance to get rid of the player before that, it is absolutely necessary to do it. It's a civ's responsibility to not get mislynched yes? A wall flower won't accept or properly carry out that responsibility.

I don't think it's trivial. I had thought there was a good chance that some players would know who the SK is, and asked those players. Other players agreed with the confirmed baddie who turned out to be lying. It's solely because they agreed with Mac. I pointed this out with Russ as soon as he did it, but decided not to follow it up because "townies making a mistake as townies" but Russ is still alive, along with MM. Both of which stated that Epi had a good chance to be SK. Do I think they are all baddies together? not really, I can't see a team of 3 baddies all stating that one person is the SK. Could one of those teammates agree with Mac? Honestly I would say most likely.

Oh geez, time is so short... If we lose because of Mac setting me up, and time not being on my side, I think my salt will overflow. Based on my actions alone, would you Lynch me Diiny? Motel Room? JJJ has stated that most of everything comes from a confirmed baddie interacting with me. If I really were a baddie, would I have lynched Mac vs You that day? If I were bad, I would've just needed to move my vote off of Mac, hell I could've voted Bcornett again and you would've died, Mac would've been alive.

To those who are here, would you rather me try to scumhunt? or go through the wall of text and try to defend myself and answer those questions? I don't have time for both, I probably don't have time for 1 of the 2 to be completed.

[Ricochet]

Ok, trying to keep this brief because I am dead tired.

False.

Night 5: Nobody was removed from the poll on Day 6, so nobody could have been roleblocked. One of his powers wouldn't have gone through without the other one.

Night 7: Choutas was removed from the poll Day 8, meaning that somebody from the Syndicate was roleblocked. Remember that I am from RYM in this game.

Those were the two nights that Life during Wartime attempted and failed to perform a nightkill. The Night 7 one is more relevant because Strawhenge made his comment on Day 8, and Psycho Killer made a kill attempt that night (that also failed).

My point is that Strawhenge could not have targeted me on Night 7, as his roleblock would have had to gone to a Syndicate member.

So based on this, if we have any idea at all when Choutas might have flipped, then we can figure out whether the SK is Syndicate or RYM, right? And if we do that and cross-reference it with who didn't post on N5, we might be able to narrow down the SK to a very very few players? I would do it myself, but I am unable to figure out whether the above means the SK would be Synd or RYM. I'd be grateful to wiser people who were able to get on it.

I honestly think this might be the most important issue today. I think getting baddies > getting the SK under normal circumstances, but the reality at this point is that this guy could potentially kill twice tonight, and getting him now could save us from that.

There was only one roleblocker though, and two kills survived. So it is more likely that one player was protected (by his own power or another).

Also, Post #8,000 ftw.

Wait, which Night are we talking here? Because on N7, a single player (the same one) survived a kill coming from two directions. I'm confused by this, in context of the discussion being about Night 7 and reading into Strawhenge's possible River moves.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Of course, but I'm scared you're just finding new players to switch your vote from that isn't wilgy whilst maintaining / pushing the idea that wilgy is bad. Just like he's been doing to you.

Wilgy's case isn't just being uninspired and avoiding interaction, it's a reliance on neutral, data based posting, some really fishy votes on scum and some really wishy washy stances. Sell me the MM case.

Meh. Wilgy wasn't a consensus suspect until I put up the big case on him. He's in danger of being lynched in large part because of that. I don't mean to absorb all the credit of course, I'm just saying that I played a big role in his current lynch candidacy. I'm not opposing his lynch either.

We all have our guts and they speak to us however they may. Wilgy's most recent behavior is... weird -- hard to reconcile with any alignment. I don't know what influence it should have on my read. If people would prefer to lynch him over MM I don't see myself opposing that at the last minute. Please do understand though that my suspicion against MM isn't some diversionary crap. I specifically chose to build two huge cases against him as a mafioso AND as a serial killer for a reason.

Yes, you played a large role in The Besmirching of the Name of Wilgy just as he's attempted to play a large role in The Downfall of Jay: 3. And yet, you've never voted for him, or him for you.

Even with that last paragraph it sounds like you're backing away from him. He was your TOP SUSPECT and he's only gotten, as you've said, more suspicious since then. But then the MM case(s) happen(s). I wouldn't call it diversionary; I'd call it a replacement. You're keeping Wilgy in your bad list but plopping your vote on MM. What's annoying me is that it/they is/are a good case(s).

Can you divine what I'm scared of, J?

Have I ever been one to stay steadfast on one player I suspect until he or she is dead? I reassess everything at all times and that means my votes and my reads are nearly never static. What if I were to tell you that by process of elimination I think Doc and MM both look significantly worse than everyone else in the field? I still have to make a choice between those two because we can only lynch one player.

If you're town then you're tinfoiling me though you might not admit that. You see the capacity for Doc and I to be team mates, and I am maintaining the suspicion on him for the sake of distance while also preventing his demise with replacement votes.

Here's the problem: yesterday's "replacement vote" was for a confirmed mafioso. Today's "replacement vote" comes courtesy of brand new evidence that was not in this thread or in my brain during Day 11.

Why do you think I went to all this trouble this phase to case MM as both evil alignments?

[Ricochet]

Also, you really suck at counting (more than I do), considering you're about to reach 9K, not 8.

[DrWilgy]

*completed 100%

[motel room]

If you think I'm just parroting what Fuzz had to say, you can look at the GTH results from back when Roxy, BR, Splints, and Floyd were alive. I marked them all as bad, due to the need to pluck them before the situation was dangerous.

I don't understand this part. How did marking them bad mean "plucking" them? Also, that was ages ago Versus what just happened last day period.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wait, which Night are we talking here? Because on N7, a single player (the same one) survived a kill coming from two directions. I'm confused by this, in context of the discussion being about Night 7 and reading into Strawhenge's possible River moves.

I don't think Strawhenge's role, whatever it was, or anything else may have done behind the scenes had anything to do with the failed kills of Night 7. I do think that Strawhenge strongly believed he caused one of the failed attempts though, and that MM was the player implicated in his mind.

I rather regret mentioning Strawhenge at all when I mounted my cases, because now way too many people are wasting time talking about him when my cases were meant to be new content against MM.

[DrWilgy]

It's for reference, back then I GTH'd wallflowers as bad. I will normally always do this, because I do think Wallflowers need to be taken care of or "plucked" before they are a danger. I was comparing them to my views on Bullzeye for those who were questioning my vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To those who are here, would you rather me try to scumhunt? or go through the wall of text and try to defend myself and answer those questions? I don't have time for both, I probably don't have time for 1 of the 2 to be completed.

scumhunt. The time for defense is well over.

[Ricochet]

Maybe it's my tiredness to blame, but I don't think I understand a thing of what Wilgy is projecting here. Now this is the kind of post I'd like to see, perhaps, distilled down to a few ideas of what to really look at and interpret / take into consideration.

[DrWilgy]

Self pres vote on Motel Room

working on it JJJ

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Everyone not named Diiny since he already talked about it:

How do you feel MM responded to the pressure I put on him this phase? I need stances immediately.

[DrWilgy]

Actually, Motel, if you pres vote MM, I will join you. I'd rather lynch him than you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Maybe it's my tiredness to blame, but I don't think I understand a thing of what Wilgy is projecting here. Now this is the kind of post I'd like to see, perhaps, distilled down to a few ideas of what to really look at and interpret / take into consideration.

I kind of did that I guess.

[Diiny]

Time is short but plenty of time to have this dialogue, wilgy

Lynching a townie has the same effect on win conditions whether they're playing or not. I can totally understand people thinking he was scum; thinking it was somehow okay to mislynch him is a different story and is what you're pushing and what fuzz was pushing, and I don't buy it. When a player stops playing, they don't die. There's still a townie the scum have to kill.

Why did/do you think there was a good chance that people would have somehow known who the sk was? It's getting pretty late and there's differing opinions all around.

My case on you is based on you. The spew reviews are helpful, but more of dressing on the Wilgy salad. As for your penultimate paragraph's wifom, I'm not sold.

[Ricochet]

Two of my suspects voted my third suspect, one of them without ever having had intentions to vote said third suspect literally a post before.

Hrm...

[motel room]

Self pres vote on Motel Room

working on it JJJ

I'll switch to metalmarsh G L A D L Y if you follow your self pres vote?

In fact I might just do it anyway and spread the cheeks on these votes - metalmarsh

linki - just saw your post, ok

[Ricochet]

Oh wait, I didn't noticed Wilgy switching to MM.

Hrm nevertheless.

[Diiny]

Of course, but I'm scared you're just finding new players to switch your vote from that isn't wilgy whilst maintaining / pushing the idea that wilgy is bad. Just like he's been doing to you.

Wilgy's case isn't just being uninspired and avoiding interaction, it's a reliance on neutral, data based posting, some really fishy votes on scum and some really wishy washy stances. Sell me the MM case.

Meh. Wilgy wasn't a consensus suspect until I put up the big case on him. He's in danger of being lynched in large part because of that. I don't mean to absorb all the credit of course, I'm just saying that I played a big role in his current lynch candidacy. I'm not opposing his lynch either.

We all have our guts and they speak to us however they may. Wilgy's most recent behavior is... weird -- hard to reconcile with any alignment. I don't know what influence it should have on my read. If people would prefer to lynch him over MM I don't see myself opposing that at the last minute. Please do understand though that my suspicion against MM isn't some diversionary crap. I specifically chose to build two huge cases against him as a mafioso AND as a serial killer for a reason.

Yes, you played a large role in The Besmirching of the Name of Wilgy just as he's attempted to play a large role in The Downfall of Jay: 3. And yet, you've never voted for him, or him for you.

Even with that last paragraph it sounds like you're backing away from him. He was your TOP SUSPECT and he's only gotten, as you've said, more suspicious since then. But then the MM case(s) happen(s). I wouldn't call it diversionary; I'd call it a replacement. You're keeping Wilgy in your bad list but plopping your vote on MM. What's annoying me is that it/they is/are a good case(s).

Can you divine what I'm scared of, J?

Have I ever been one to stay steadfast on one player I suspect until he or she is dead? I reassess everything at all times and that means my votes and my reads are nearly never static. What if I were to tell you that by process of elimination I think Doc and MM both look significantly worse than everyone else in the field? I still have to make a choice between those two because we can only lynch one player.

If you're town then you're tinfoiling me though you might not admit that. You see the capacity for Doc and I to be team mates, and I am maintaining the suspicion on him for the sake of distance while also preventing his demise with replacement votes.

Here's the problem: yesterday's "replacement vote" was for a confirmed mafioso. Today's "replacement vote" comes courtesy of brand new evidence that was not in this thread or in my brain during Day 11.

Why do you think I went to all this trouble this phase to case MM as both evil alignments?

I am not calling you teammates in the traditional sense. I do not suspect you are mafia. I admit wholeheartedly to tinfoiling the jjj wilgy relationship, but there's no harm airing my suspicions if they're incorrect, right?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Fuzz touched up on this earlier, but had Bullzeye been a civ and given up, there was a good chance we would've lost the game. So the mentality was to get rid of the flower before we were at a LYLO situation, making him an alright Lynch candidate.

This doesn't make sense. I said it then to fuzz and I'll say it now. Lynching someone who would lose you the game if he were town DOES NOT MEAN LYNCHING HIM IF HE'S TOWN FIXES ANYTHING. Excuse my caps

You're basing a lot of your reads over something pretty trivial: SK placement. Townies are BOUND to be wrong about something so specific. Especially as relatively early into the game as epi's death. What about their accusations of epi struck you as bad rather than just townies making a mistake as townies are bound to do on such a tricky subject?

How does it not make sense?

A non playing town at lylo increases your chances of losing IMMENSELY. If there's a chance to get rid of the player before that, it is absolutely necessary to do it. It's a civ's responsibility to not get mislynched yes? A wall flower won't accept or properly carry out that responsibility.

I don't think it's trivial. I had thought there was a good chance that some players would know who the SK is, and asked those players. Other players agreed with the confirmed baddie who turned out to be lying. It's solely because they agreed with Mac. I pointed this out with Russ as soon as he did it, but decided not to follow it up because "townies making a mistake as townies" but Russ is still alive, along with MM. Both of which stated that Epi had a good chance to be SK. Do I think they are all baddies together? not really, I can't see a team of 3 baddies all stating that one person is the SK. Could one of those teammates agree with Mac? Honestly I would say most likely.

Oh geez, time is so short... If we lose because of Mac setting me up, and time not being on my side, I think my salt will overflow. Based on my actions alone, would you Lynch me Diiny? Motel Room? JJJ has stated that most of everything comes from a confirmed baddie interacting with me. If I really were a baddie, would I have lynched Mac vs You that day? If I were bad, I would've just needed to move my vote off of Mac, hell I could've voted Bcornett again and you would've died, Mac would've been alive.

To those who are here, would you rather me try to scumhunt? or go through the wall of text and try to defend myself and answer those questions? I don't have time for both, I probably don't have time for 1 of the 2 to be completed.

Yellow: I understand what you're saying here Doc.

Orange: Here's the emotion, folks. Diiny called it WIFOM perhaps validly. Bullzeye got emotional in the end and flipped mafia. Like I said though -- not everyone is this way. Doc's emotion is stemming from frustration about being cased heavily based upon the contributions of other people (Mac, specifically in my case).

My preference for a lynch of MM over Doc is stronger than it was before this post.

[motel room]

Everyone not named Diiny since he already talked about it:

How do you feel MM responded to the pressure I put on him this phase? I need stances immediately.

He was defensive and standoffish. He eventually gave responses to the cases after trying to discredit the entire approach first but they were weird and the "rating" part was gimmicky which always stinks to me.

[Diiny]

Now I'm alone on wilgy. I'm probably going to secure MM over motel. Last chance to hop aboard the wilgy train. Choo choo.

linki:

wen ur tryin 2 post but a new post keeps cumin up when u hit submit