Bac Wunderelin wrote:Is the Elf a civvie? I just looked at the roles, and it has not been updated to show that. So RIPIYWG Finian.
playing catsup so IDK if this has been adressed or not - but yes. Elf was a civ.
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Bac Wunderelin wrote:Is the Elf a civvie? I just looked at the roles, and it has not been updated to show that. So RIPIYWG Finian.
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
First, I haven't been replaced. I was tired of playing a scared little civvie - afraid and walking on egg shells so I don't say the rumple word. After all the Rumple talk in the beginning, I began the game very timidly and didn't say much. After a while, I wanted to just be more light-hearted and have fun.Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Carmen, what you say here could be straight up truth, but in my experience in past games, when I've been suspected as bad, but I'm actually a townie, I frankly breathe a sigh of relief when someone steps forward and says something in one of my posts gives them pause. If something is brought up that saves me from the lynch, I'm just relieved, whether my post was intended in the way it gets interpreted or not. If I'm bad, and someone defends me or saves me, I'm also relieved but I do find it funny. I just don't know what to make of you.Carmen Brightsun wrote:Now wait, I seem to recall you saying that my fun-loving spirit and lightheartedness does me credit. I should have come out with that from the beginning. I was just afraid of Rumple and saying too much.Fane Winebattle wrote:About the only nice thing I can say about Carmen is that she has nice wings.
What exactly do you have against me? Yeah, I survived a lynch. Obviously Rumple was trying to cause confusion and was successful. What else?
Linki with Miyaki: I was quite confused about the whole role hinting thing at first. I didn't have a clue what Bac was talking about. I didn't get it until later when someone else clarified (don't remember who). I thought it was hilarious that you all read into it so much, sorry it was. I was sooo so busy at the time when I finally understood, however, and did not refute it. I apologize. I just thought it was too hilarious. But, even if I did say, "Hey, no role hinting is going on here" I bet you all would just have said.. "See! She's BAD!" Once under suspicion, it doesn't matter what you do, it is CRAZY difficult to redeem yourself.
linkitis- Shand, I was just going there, but since you already did-
Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Bac Wunderelin wrote:My Good Kracken, no. I have not defended him once. I said that, like you, my thoughts on Gobnait depend on how Jorhan flips. That would make a weak defense, and indeed, could also be applied to yourself as well as Gobnait.Queran Gloomsoul wrote:You seem awful defesive of ol' Gobby recently Bac.. Are you sure you're not redirecting a tad yourself?
His theories, like yours, need further development based on how they play out. I am not sure what I would be redirecting from; as soon as the last lynch ended, I said I suspected Jorhan, I enumerated why, and that is the person who received my ballot. I have been the epitome of consistency. And my suspicions after this day will be built on today; one day at a time, as information is revealed.
So I am not sold on Gobnait (or yourself) being naughty or nice.
Fair play. Though I'm just intrigued at your recent aggressiveness after I hinted at having you under my microscope a bit more. When I say "defensive" I mean that aggressiveness, plus your initial evasion of my post, etc. I might have sounded a bit confusing there.
I was far less than aggressive in my questioning Bac. Interesting you didn't quote that, Gob.Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Bac Wunderelin wrote:I am fairly small, so putting me under a microscope is rather an everyday occurence for me, it is the best way to see my many expressive expressions, so I have no fear of that.
You simply appeared to possibly be setting up a distraction to me, so I pointed that out. Sorry if that came across as rude, my first post on the subject was somewhat snide. Or perhaps pushiness is overcompensation for my size, it is not the first time I have been told this. When one is a tiny pixie in a room full of large powerful Trolls, Krackens etc., one must do what one must in order to be heard and to be held to be of Account in such a gathering.
I am not Rajah for nothing.
Crosspost: And you are reaching again. It is saying that even if he comes up civ, that clears no one, since I think there are possibly 2 naughty groups. Which I have been trying to remind folks about since the number discrepancy was first noted.
Fair's Fair. I've heard worse snide/etc so no worries. As for me reaching, I'm just saying in the past I have seen people (baddies mostly) say stuff like "FYI even if Joe flips civvie, that doesn't clear John" when their case for John is connected to the suspicion of Joe, for example. Not sure if that is in fact the case here, just pointing out the precedent.
We're back to this again :PMaking a large post when it's clear who will die also gives pretty easy outs, and sets up for being able to build a case on anyone you mentioned the next day when the lynch results are out. Other than that, most of his posts (and since there are a lot, you'll either have to read back through them or trust me) from Day 3 on are either back-and-forth with me or throwing out the names Dierdre, Eurolyvn, and Laine, as well as the now deceased Etain and Finnian. My theory is he's trying to see if something sticks. Oh, and he theorized that we would have 2 days in a row, which ended up happening. So either good guess there or good info, I'm not sure which.
Hah! Be honest, no you wouldn't.Queran Gloomsoul wrote:I'd be more convinced you were genuine and not trying to bamboozle us if those links were not to the same post, which they are.
There are tales told to the children of the Moonlit Tropics Krackens of a great, fearsome, stoney beast with a distorted sense of truth, that will eat them in their sleep if they do not do their chores and pay homage to Don Cheadle-Kracken.Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Hah! Be honest, no you wouldn't.Queran Gloomsoul wrote:I'd be more convinced you were genuine and not trying to bamboozle us if those links were not to the same post, which they are.
There are actually 4 or 5 posts of you getting on Bac's case. Here is where he accuses Bac of "faulty logic and no uing and deviousness". Keep in mind, this is right after Bac said your Day 2 post about me was suspiciously long and quote-riddled. Here it's "your recent aggressiveness after I hinted at having you under my microscope a bit more" and Bac's supposed evasiveness regarding me. Here Bac is "base covering". After that there's a back-off post here, ostensively because no one else has mentioned Bac this entire time.
The next day you can't decide whether Bac is good or not.
Then yesterday he suddenly is good, and I'm "buddying up'" to him, instead of the other way around. Here and here.
Are the links right, there?
Linki: You seem to have beaten me to this. Really, "less than aggressive"?
Fane Winebattle wrote:I was rereading Rhinfrew, the wise Djinn, and noticed that he is about the only one defending Carmen. What does this tell us about him?
1. If Carmen is bad and he is also bad, this would out him. Diagnosis: improbable
2. If Carmen is bad and he is good, it could be an honest mistake. Diagnosis: Likely
3. If Carmen is good and he is bad, it could be a way for him to gain credibility. Diagnosis: Likely
4. If Carmen is good and he is good, it could be either a good read or he could have inside info. Diagnosis: Moderately likely.
From this, I think that if Carmen flips bad, it is probable that Rhinfrew is good, since it would be very reckless of him to vocally defend someone who is obviously about to be lynched if he were on her team. I have been somewhat skeptical of the Noble Genie due to his irreverent tone, but I think the results of today's lynch will be telling.
I disagree with your inclination.Fane Winebattle wrote:Thank you for that, Gobnait. Your effort enriches us all. At this point, you both make very convincing and sincere cases to the point that I'm inclined to vote for neither of you and seek baddies elsewhere, because a wrong choice between the two of you would result in the loss of a very valuable civ.
What about that was unclear?As for my Ginormous post being suspect.. Tough Tentacles bro, If I see faulty logic and no uing and deviousness, I'm gonna point it out. Bolding etc was used to make things easier to see and read, if that bugs you, Tough Tentacles :P
Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Well, you're wrong, but I guess you're entitled to your opinions as long as you don't intentionally misuse quotes to support that opinion. :P
Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Izett, Bac was never included in my group of suspicious Caillic voters. He never voted Caillic. That group was Queran, Bronwyn, and Carmen. I believe Bac to have been civ, if that helps you any.
Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:First off, I'll reiterate about Queran's voting record. 4 votes for confirmed civs, and the vote for me which makes 5. Only Carmen has voted 5 confirmed civs, and only Queran, Bac, and Bronwyn have voted 4 confirmeds.
By the way, I believe in his case that Queran mentioned he thinks I was buddying up to Bac before his untimely demise. Here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148&p=19818#p19818, around the time of his large response, he accuses Bac of buddying up to me, and here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148&p=19818#p19818 (as well as in a number of other posts around the same time) he goes after Bac fairly hard and insinuates that Bac has bad intentions, mainly because Bac asked him to use more everyday language. Just another example of overreaction on Day 2.
Yes. I have been calling him that in my head for ages and it slipped out while typing.Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Gobshite?
Izett, your point is a good one, but you're forgetting to mention that Bac was Japanified, survived an NK, brought us info about the secret baddie team, and then was NKed. I think that evidence trumps his vote record. Otherwise I'd likely be counting him as bad.Izett Cruelsinger wrote:Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Izett, Bac was never included in my group of suspicious Caillic voters. He never voted Caillic. That group was Queran, Bronwyn, and Carmen. I believe Bac to have been civ, if that helps you any.
Ok, maybe not the group of suspicious Caillic voters, but you did include Bac in a group of "only civ voters" that you included Queran in (implying that Queran and Bac had the same voting record, while saying THAT voting record makes Queran bad, yet the same voting record on Bac and you just said you think Bac was civ)... then you make it a point to mention that Queran was making a little "case" or having a go (just words, take the idea from them, but don't take them literally) at Bac as further proof that Queran is bad. I don't know, it all just doesn't quite jibe for me somehow...
Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:First off, I'll reiterate about Queran's voting record. 4 votes for confirmed civs, and the vote for me which makes 5. Only Carmen has voted 5 confirmed civs, and only Queran, Bac, and Bronwyn have voted 4 confirmeds.
By the way, I believe in his case that Queran mentioned he thinks I was buddying up to Bac before his untimely demise. Here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148&p=19818#p19818, around the time of his large response, he accuses Bac of buddying up to me, and here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148&p=19818#p19818 (as well as in a number of other posts around the same time) he goes after Bac fairly hard and insinuates that Bac has bad intentions, mainly because Bac asked him to use more everyday language. Just another example of overreaction on Day 2.
Linki and such.
Maybe she's a civ and she just thinks you are bad, and she realizes she can't save herself at this point.Queran Gloomsoul wrote:That vote doesn't make any sense, if Carmen was trying to save herself (if she was bad) wouldn't it make more sense for her to put a vote on someone who already has one (i.e Gobnait?) This is the sort of thing that is making it very hard for me to pin down what you're playing at Carmen. You're really all over the place recently.
Five confirmed civilians? Carmen voted for three confirmed civilians. Wording like that bothers me. You should be ashamed and should have put an asterisk after that claim with the fine print at the bottom of your post.Gobnait Gingeruite wrote: First off, I'll reiterate about Queran's voting record. 4 votes for confirmed civs, and the vote for me which makes 5. Only Carmen has voted 5 confirmed civs, and only Queran, Bac, and Bronwyn have voted 4 confirmeds.