[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Scotty]

Some of these guys aren't even playing for the hometeam. Some of these people are actually prisoners. I don't like this.

Look, if you're gonna vote for a player today, at least give them a reach around first.

[a2thezebra]

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed.

Literally wrong.

[Prisoner 509378]

Some of these guys aren't even playing for the hometeam. Some of these people are actually prisoners. I don't like this.

Look, if you're gonna vote for a player today, at least give them a reach around first.

Thanks for reminding me who I wanted to ISO next.

[Golden]

Some of these guys aren't even playing for the hometeam. Some of these people are actually prisoners. I don't like this.

Look, if you're gonna vote for a player today, at least give them a reach around first.

Some of them could actually be undercover cops, for all we know.

[Scotty]

Also, voting for Quin.

[Scotty]

Some of these guys aren't even playing for the hometeam. Some of these people are actually prisoners. I don't like this.

Look, if you're gonna vote for a player today, at least give them a reach around first.

Some of them could actually be undercover cops, for all we know.

How many undercover cops could there actually be?

Like, there aren't even that many arrested parties + cops alive, are there? Some of these people are actually scum from a separate world and don't seem to have a grasp on this game. Like that Prisoner who just voted you because 'nub Golden'

[Quin]

[Golden]

Some of these guys aren't even playing for the hometeam. Some of these people are actually prisoners. I don't like this.

Look, if you're gonna vote for a player today, at least give them a reach around first.

Some of them could actually be undercover cops, for all we know.

How many undercover cops could there actually be?

Like, there aren't even that many arrested parties + cops alive, are there? Some of these people are actually scum from a separate world and don't seem to have a grasp on this game. Like that Prisoner who just voted you because 'nub Golden'

Probably a dutchie

[Scotty]

Voted for Scotty, btw.

Scotty you say? Where is that little bugger? I'm an excellent jusge of Scotty's alignment. I'm his father after all. He used to be terrible at being evil but he came around just as I retired after learning that my long lost twin brother was an international man of mystery.

D...Dad?!

[Prisoner 509378]

Checking Scotty's interactions with Fuzz:

Spoiler: show

Yo Fuzz. On your last point there:
I just totally missed you. I read and reread everyone in the post history and tried to do it on my phone between scenes backstage while doing my show. Sorry!

Also, as a more or less serious note, my very first online Mafia game someone suggested we lynch you day 1, and I helped accomplish that. Didn't work out too well. Maybe it's an unconscious thing that I missed you?

The latter sentence here confuses me. If you specifically remember that Fuzz mislynch in your first online Mafia game, then wouldn't that make you more conscious of Fuzz afterword and not less?

Anyway, that exchange is all Scotty said about Fuzz prior to his lynch, and Scotty had a decent number of posts. His reaction to the mafia flip:

Spoiler: show

I don't know what just happened, but I like it.

Goes to show we should always lynch Fuzz day 1 in every game.

Good job team!

Ehh. Almost forcibly jubilant. I'm not great at reading into that type of thing, but this post doesn't do wonders for me.

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Scotty's a viable team mate of Fuzz. They didn't really interact much at all except in that goofy exchange above. I could see that as being the result of unconscious avoidance, something Fuzz took note of and tried to amend -- but it comes out awkwardly.

[Prisoner 509378]

Let's talk, Quin. Click here.

[Rachel Green]

Some of these guys aren't even playing for the hometeam. Some of these people are actually prisoners. I don't like this.

Look, if you're gonna vote for a player today, at least give them a reach around first.

Some of them could actually be undercover cops, for all we know.

How many undercover cops could there actually be?

Like, there aren't even that many arrested parties + cops alive, are there? Some of these people are actually scum from a separate world and don't seem to have a grasp on this game. Like that Prisoner who just voted you because 'nub Golden'

I wouldn't trust the motivations of any of us, until our actions indicate that we are trustworthy. As for me, I need to figure the outside world out, so I will refrain from posting until I have read some.

[Scotty]

Checking Scotty's interactions with Fuzz:

Spoiler: show

Yo Fuzz. On your last point there:
I just totally missed you. I read and reread everyone in the post history and tried to do it on my phone between scenes backstage while doing my show. Sorry!

Also, as a more or less serious note, my very first online Mafia game someone suggested we lynch you day 1, and I helped accomplish that. Didn't work out too well. Maybe it's an unconscious thing that I missed you?

The latter sentence here confuses me. If you specifically remember that Fuzz mislynch in your first online Mafia game, then wouldn't that make you more conscious of Fuzz afterword and not less?

Anyway, that exchange is all Scotty said about Fuzz prior to his lynch, and Scotty had a decent number of posts. His reaction to the mafia flip:

Spoiler: show

I don't know what just happened, but I like it.

Goes to show we should always lynch Fuzz day 1 in every game.

Good job team!

Ehh. Almost forcibly jubilant. I'm not great at reading into that type of thing, but this post doesn't do wonders for me.

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Scotty's a viable team mate of Fuzz. They didn't really interact much at all except in that goofy exchange above. I could see that as being the result of unconscious avoidance, something Fuzz took note of and tried to amend -- but it comes out awkwardly.

Yeah, that doesn't look good for me in relation to Fuzz. He totally slipped my mind when looking at all the post counts.

linki @ 920. thanks bud! Ron some banks in the meantime. You deserve it!

[Paul Stevens]

Some of these guys aren't even playing for the hometeam. Some of these people are actually prisoners. I don't like this.

Look, if you're gonna vote for a player today, at least give them a reach around first.

Some of them could actually be undercover cops, for all we know.

How many undercover cops could there actually be?

Like, there aren't even that many arrested parties + cops alive, are there? Some of these people are actually scum from a separate world and don't seem to have a grasp on this game. Like that Prisoner who just voted you because 'nub Golden'

No need for name calling. There are many reasons for being locked up, doesn't mean we are all "bad."

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to log into my MySpace account and let everyone know I'm finally free.

[Prisoner 509378]

I gotta run. Those of you who are sold on Golden as the warden should say why, because I have no idea.

[Gunther]

Oh great, the prisoners are going to break out and lynch me.

Fucking fantastic.

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed. Everyone who knows me knows it.

What's the matter? Huh? What's wrong? You don't like that? You gonna cry? Huh? You gonna cry?

[Scotty]

I gotta run. Those of you who are sold on Golden as the warden should say why, because I have no idea.

I don't trust the 2 that have voted for Golden. Or the guy that voted for me.

[Golden]

Oh great, the prisoners are going to break out and lynch me.

Fucking fantastic.

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed. Everyone who knows me knows it.

What's the matter? Huh? What's wrong? You don't like that? You gonna cry? Huh? You gonna cry?

I doubt there will be tears.

There might be toy-throwing, though.

[Gunther]

Voted for Scotty, btw.

Scotty you say? Where is that little bugger? I'm an excellent jusge of Scotty's alignment. I'm his father after all. He used to be terrible at being evil but he came around just as I retired after learning that my long lost twin brother was an international man of mystery.

D...Dad?!

Hello, Scott. I know I've been away for a long time. I haven't called or written or given any outward indication that I value you, but I want you to know that I've changed. I apologize for killing that therapy group we were in back in the 90s. That was poor judgment on my part. Come here and give your old man a hug!

[Celeste]

Oh great, the prisoners are going to break out and lynch me.

Fucking fantastic.

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed. Everyone who knows me knows it.

You're on your civilian game, that's great.

Doesn't make you a civilian yo.

[Golden]

Oh great, the prisoners are going to break out and lynch me.

Fucking fantastic.

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed. Everyone who knows me knows it.

You're on your civilian game, that's great.

Doesn't make you a civilian yo.

Yes it does.

[Celeste]

Oh great, the prisoners are going to break out and lynch me.

Fucking fantastic.

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed. Everyone who knows me knows it.

You're on your civilian game, that's great.

Doesn't make you a civilian yo.

Yes it does.

Time to feed you a little bit of NO!

[Golden]

Oh great, the prisoners are going to break out and lynch me.

Fucking fantastic.

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed. Everyone who knows me knows it.

You're on your civilian game, that's great.

Doesn't make you a civilian yo.

Yes it does.

Time to feed you a little bit of NO!

Time to feed you a little bit of YES!

[Saito]

I'm just gonna say this. Fellow prisoners, we've got a lot of power in our hands. I'm going to suggest that we let these law abiding citizens figure out the hard stuff, and then we swing in with our big muscles and take out whoever.

[Golden]

If the 14 of you actually account for 14 votes, that would be massively unbalanced. I'm guessing that you don't.

[Saito]

If the 14 of you actually account for 14 votes, that would be massively unbalanced. I'm guessing that you don't.

In prison this would count as disrespect, and me and my boys would find you in the mess hall brother.

[Scotty]

So let's do a little summary here.

There are currently 5 prisoners that we know are part of the mafia families (6, if you count dead LC). That leaves 8 prisoners without an apparent win-con or motive, that [probably] can vote in this lynch.

Does that not bother anyone else?

[Scotty]

So let's do a little summary here.

There are currently 5 prisoners that we know are part of the mafia families (6, if you count dead LC). That leaves 9 prisoners without an apparent win-con or motive, that [probably] can vote in this lynch.

Does that not bother anyone else?

Fixed it. 9 votes that [probably] don't belong to civs.

[Saito]

Did you learn math in the big house?

[Golden]

So let's do a little summary here.

There are currently 5 prisoners that we know are part of the mafia families (6, if you count dead LC). That leaves 8 prisoners without an apparent win-con or motive, that [probably] can vote in this lynch.

Does that not bother anyone else?

Yes. It's why I figure that can't be that they each have a vote that counts as one.

[Saito]

So let's do a little summary here.

There are currently 5 prisoners that we know are part of the mafia families (6, if you count dead LC). That leaves 8 prisoners without an apparent win-con or motive, that [probably] can vote in this lynch.

Does that not bother anyone else?

Yes. It's why I figure that can't be that they each have a vote that counts as one.

All the more reason I'd argue to my fellows to consolidate our effort.

[Quin]

So let's do a little summary here.

There are currently 5 prisoners that we know are part of the mafia families (6, if you count dead LC). That leaves 8 prisoners without an apparent win-con or motive, that [probably] can vote in this lynch.

Does that not bother anyone else?

There are enough prisoners to outnumber the amount of players, so I have my doubts that their votes count at all.

[Saito]

So let's do a little summary here.

There are currently 5 prisoners that we know are part of the mafia families (6, if you count dead LC). That leaves 8 prisoners without an apparent win-con or motive, that [probably] can vote in this lynch.

Does that not bother anyone else?

There are enough prisoners to outnumber the amount of players, so I have my doubts that their votes count at all.

Guys are we going to let these new fish disrespect us like this? I didn't bust out of the slammer for this nonsense.

[Epignosis]

If the 14 of you actually account for 14 votes, that would be massively unbalanced. I'm guessing that you don't.

Have you met MovingPictures07 before?

[Quin]

Checking Quin's interactions with Fuzz:

Spoiler: show

I'm writing this as I'm reading, so if some points have already been addressed then ignore me.

Spoiler: show

Quin the assumption that anybody acting strange, presumably to perform a task, should be a town read is something I find odd.

You're not wrong. Coming back into it after rethinking things made me wonder what I was thinking. Part of the reason for thinking he is town was in his creation of the 'non-changeable vote' strategy, though. It was so early on that I clicked him as town.

I have like 4 more pages to read, brb.

I'm not a fan of this post for a couple of reasons:

1. Quin backed off of an assertion that I think is sometimes agreeable (blatantly strange behavior is often a towntell) and I don't know why he felt this compulsion to change his mind.
2. This sort of dialogue with a confirmed baddie is a bit suspicious at face value. It's tame, it's safe, and most importantly it features the impression of distance (Fuzz challenging a Quin point) but without any sort of actual accusation.

Spoiler: show

I am not seeing a lot of reasoning behind the fuzz vote. I don't like it at all. I can't recall a single thing in the thread even being said that would paint fuzz as scum.

linki: even more 'okay fizz it is' without anything tangible to work with.

It's easy to look at a post like this and come to an immediate negative stance. Quin staunchly defended a confirmed baddie. That doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing though, because in my experience when a player is this dead wrong on a read it usually is reflective of genuine wrongness. On the occasion it is indeed maliciously-motivated, it tends to come from players who have a special knack for WIFOM (like MacDougall for example). I don't know that I'd associate Quin with that type of player, though I acknowledge that I haven't played with him. I'd like to hear what Sloonei thinks of this specific thought given his experience playing with Quin.

Spoiler: show

no one ever voiced anything about fuzz until know.

This is what I am struggling to understand. It's why I am on principle refusing to vote for fuzz.

Again a strong pro-Fuzz stance is asserted. The same principles apply. By this point it appears a Fuzz lynch was well in hand? Please correct me anyone if I am mistaken. If that's the case, then one could argue that Quin didn't want to make the always-suspicious late-phase pile-on vote for a team mate. However, it is at least consistent with Quin's prior defensiveness of Fuzz and I don't think that assumption should be automatic.

Spoiler: show

And that is why last minute lynch trains are NOT bad. They make the baddies scramble hard, and man do I think they stuffed up.

@quin - I'll have to get my ecstatic emotions in check and be more rational before I can give specifics. The best answer I can give right now is 'behaviour in wake of the shift to a Fuzz lynch'

My refusal to vote for Fuzz was well justified. I did not see any organised reasoning for the bandwagon and it looked fishy as hell. I even made a point of the lack of justification, which nobody decided to respond to.

I'll look at one post-Fuzz-lynch post too here. Given that Quin was so incorrect about Fuzz, I think there's value in checking his reaction to the baddie flip. He stood by his guns and a little frustration showed through the cracks too. At least in terms of tone, I am not perturbed.

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The first post is the worst of it that I can see. However, I am not overwhelmingly sold on a Quin lynch. His defenses of Fuzz do not bear the standard appearance of a mafia-mafia interaction. It's possible, but it's atypical.

Do you mind if I answer this in a few hours? I'm at uni and my lecture is about to start, plus I'm on my phone which is awful enough to type with.

[Rachel Green]

I'm just gonna say this. Fellow prisoners, we've got a lot of power in our hands. I'm going to suggest that we let these law abiding citizens figure out the hard stuff, and then we swing in with our big muscles and take out whoever.

So... laze around and then fuck up the lynch? No, thanks, I've waited too long to get out of the clink to waste my time messing the outside world up. I'll be reading back through the game tonight and tomorrow to try to offer some actual assistance.

[thellama73]

Hey prisoners, welcome! Want to help me lynch Dragon?

[Epignosis]

sig again.

[Gunther]

Oh great, the prisoners are going to break out and lynch me.

Fucking fantastic.

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed. Everyone who knows me knows it.

You're on your civilian game, that's great.

Doesn't make you a civilian yo.

Yes it does.

Time to feed you a little bit of NO!

Time to feed you a little bit of YES!

How 'bout no!

[Gunther]

So let's do a little summary here.

There are currently 5 prisoners that we know are part of the mafia families (6, if you count dead LC). That leaves 8 prisoners without an apparent win-con or motive, that [probably] can vote in this lynch.

Does that not bother anyone else?

Scott, you just don't get it, do you? Your father is back and all you can do is worry about these silly details. It reminds me of the time you kept challenging me on my plan to kill your uncle in an easily-escapable trap. Bad guys don't ask questions. They just frickin' do stuff. You might be a civvie after all. Clearly you've lost your touch since that whole losing your hair incident.

[Turnip Head]

I don't think these prisoners escaped. I think we joined them, and now we're all in Hell.

[thellama73]

I for one welcome our jailbird colleagues and invite them to join me in a drink.

[Gunther]

I for one welcome our jailbird colleagues and invite them to join me in a drink.

Will we be toasting to good or evil?

[indiglo]

If the 14 of you actually account for 14 votes, that would be massively unbalanced. I'm guessing that you don't.

This is what I'm thinking. If I get to the end and no one's asked it yet, I'll ask the hosts this question.

Also... do you think maybe the 2 votes you have from prisoners correlate to your self-vote in the quote poll? Just brain storming here.

[indiglo]

I for one welcome our jailbird colleagues and invite them to join me in a drink.

Will we be toasting to good or evil?

Yes?

[indiglo]

@ Hosts - Do the prisoner's votes count as normal votes in the lynch poll?

[indiglo]

Quadruple post??? I saw what time the poll closes, and I will not be out of town yet! So I shall indeed be here for poll close.

I'll probably move my vote around like, 4,000 times right at the end just to mess with Epi.

Ok, that should be it outta me for the night. I think.

[Paul Stevens]

I for one welcome our jailbird colleagues and invite them to join me in a drink.

I would love a real drink... All these years drinking prison pruno :shudders: I've forgotten what real liquor tastes like.

Why would you like to see dragon lynched? Could you point out a case, if one has been made on him, please.

[sig]

I don't think these prisoners escaped. I think we joined them, and now we're all in Hell.

This would be ironic but maybe true. However, all these prisoners talking are confusing me.

Epi why are you lynching me before yesterday you never even mentioned me?


Tell me prisoners is the rumors about dropping soap true? :P

[sig]

Are the five prisoners who didn't post night free or have they just not posted yet? Also so many prisoners. I find it hard to believe they could find so many additional players. Thoughts?