[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Nerolunar]

Okay Im confused now. What do you want me to explain Sloonei?

[Nerolunar]

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

[S~V~S]

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

[Scotty]

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

[Prisoner 509378]

Sometimes a strong set of baddies can push a thread into new directions and make people forget pings. Since some of us are seeing the game with new eyes we aren't beholden to that. I strongly think Enrique/BoomsLang is bad and needs to be lynched.

I'm looking into this myself. Enrique's behavior was overly indignant, to the point of being dubious, in the aftermath of Fuzz flipping mafia. On that front I find myself agreeing with your suspicion. His voting behavior on Day 2 was straight up wrong, and after being shown that his only response was to insist that everyone responsible for the lynch was still ridiculous. This means to me that Enrique was either completely oblivious to the value of vote changes to a town team (he did whine about them for unknown reasons), or he was outwardly showing his frustration that what looked like a safe lynch arbitrarily fell onto his team mate at the last minute.

I'm feeling decent about that lynch option too. I'm going to compare his behavior here with what he referenced in Trees Mafia, where he also threw a freaking fit and then also his toys out the car window (as a townie). I'll see whether there are telling parallels.

[sig]

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

[Prisoner 509378]

Enrique in Tree Mafia

He was lynched as the cop. It made him angry. I don't think this individual likes receiving votes in general, and this makes twice that he essentially calls everyone who suspects him stupid directly or indirectly. I'm not here to criticize, I'm only drawing the meta comparison. In this case he really didn't provide a good reason that I can readily identify to town read him. My mind keeps returning to this post, which I think can be read at face value to decide whether he's a candidate:

Spoiler: show

lol enrique and sig just look like they are co-ordinating a plan to take sloonei out, to me. Thats what it looks like.

Sloonei would for me be at 'confirmed civ' on the rainbow. He was first in and a critical piece of the Fuzz lynch. I will be astonished if he ends up being a cop. Astonished! It would probably be the most astonishing flip I would ever have seen! But I'm sure he isn't.

Golden you have bad, bad views lmao.

Lynch me tomorrow I don't have the time to play anyway. But Sloonei is bad, I called it already.

btw I was the first Fuzz voter

linki- as a game mechanic Golden, this isn't new

And this is another huge reason you're so suspicious. You were the first Fuzz voter, away from all the other bandwagons before the CFD was even on anyone's mind. As soon as it started you bailed. Why? What was your vote doing there if you didn't actually want to lynch him?

I was creating an unnecessary connection to my teammate on Day 2 because I fell like it.

Was he, in his frustrated state, waving his WIFOM around in plain sight? Or was this sarcasm indicative of his playing trait which shows him treating everyone who suspects him like idiots?

I don't struggle to lean toward the former.

[Prisoner 509378]

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

My instincts tell me you'd be a bad lynch. I don't know if I'm right about that, so let's chat. Who among the people who have called for your lynch do you feel is most likely to be capitalizing on an opportunity (resulting from your staunch defenses of Fuzz)?

[S~V~S]

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

So you DON'T suggest Enrislang as an alternative to you?

[Tangrowth]

Enrislang, I like it.

[Draconus]

I had something typed up, had to go back to work, came back to post, and it disappeared. FML.

in that case im voting draconous for now

im saddened that silver thinks my budding is scum. shes should knwo thats the nullest of null tells

Why?

I had a comment on DDL because he's being brought up as a lynch candidate: I feel good about him because of his actions surrounding the Fuzz situation.

Sig: I don't think Silver answered my question, but this to anyone who wants to answer. Why is Sig a suspect? I've read some of the more recent discussions surrounding him but I still don't know.

[Prisoner 509378]

My wariness of Epignosis stems primarily from this:

I am most suspicious of sig because of his frantic defense of Fuzz, his willingness to allege anybody and everybody, and accusing people for doing or saying things he himself has done and said.

I think this kind of thinking is more the type that most of the thread adopts in games while Epignosis focuses on less "obvious" or "easy" angles, something which he does a great job of as a civilian. He doesn't bite the low-hanging fruit. I could be wrong about sig, but my reads on these two right now are pretty intertwined.

[Prisoner 509378]

Dropping a vote on Boomslang. I'm currently also open to a DDL vote, and perhaps a Scotty or Nero vote. I need to check back on their responses to my earlier queries/ISOs.

[Prisoner 509378]

This is perhaps the most suspicious single post to emerge from the CFD sequence:

I don't like the idea of starting another wagon, when we already have 3, with less than an hour for the phase to end.

This is the PERFECT opportunity for scum to save each other if they need to.

If you don't like the current wagons then tough luck. Try to push another one earlier next day.

[Prisoner 509378]

Point is: I'm more worried about the people currently on the wagons wanting a way out, than the ones outside of them who are not satisfied wanting to create a new one.

This is a direct contradiction of DDL's prior stated beef with a CFD. He said it was a "perfect time" for baddies to save their team mates, which is obviously a reference to players voting on the bandwagons and not the players being bandwagoned. I read this as an uneasy step-back from his staunch resistance to a CFD, particularly as the votes for Fuzz started to pile in. DDL is my top suspect.

[Prisoner 509378]

Voting for Dragon D. Luffy now. His CFD behavior was really bad, and his interactions with Fuzz are also less than inspiring. This will make me the only vote on DDL right now, despite numerous people suspecting him to some degree. Why?

[Sloonei]

Question for other active players: how much stock are we putting into what the prisoners are saying? It seems to me that they're only going to be hre a short time. If that is the case, what is their motivation? Are there teams among them? I would expect that at least some of them are here to help, and in that case I think a fresh set of eyes on the events in the game can be a great thing. They might see things that we all overlooked.
For that reason I am willing to be on board with an Enrique/Boomslang lynch. I have not stopped reading him as bad since Day 2, but I admit I largely forgot he was even here until today, and now at least two prisoners are saying he looks bad as well, presumably without any bias.

[sig]

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

My instincts tell me you'd be a bad lynch. I don't know if I'm right about that, so let's chat. Who among the people who have called for your lynch do you feel is most likely to be capitalizing on an opportunity (resulting from your staunch defenses of Fuzz)?

Golden and Sloonie off the top of my head. I also think DDL pushed for my lynch. I'm back and forth with Golden he seems townie, but at the same time he has helped to lead multiply mislynches and is trying to get me lynched. Sloonie his push for Matt still bothers me. DDL seemed to have also taken advantage of my situation quite a bit.

I'd put some stock in it, but not to much. If they make a good case sure, even some of their gut reads however, we don't know if they are actually helping us or not.

[Sloonei]

Voting for Dragon D. Luffy now. His CFD behavior was really bad, and his interactions with Fuzz are also less than inspiring. This will make me the only vote on DDL right now, despite numerous people suspecting him to some degree. Why?

I've been reading him as town, but the above contradiction you bring up is something I want to see him reply too.

[Sloonei]

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

I think I figured it out.

And sig saying he won't flip bad makes me realize why we are having a discussion about Seemers....

Seriously I'm not mafia, I thought Golden might have figured it out, but he is back to voting for me so.

I looked over Enrique's posts he seems to have the same playstyle as in Star Wars when he was caught out as scum. II'm not sure if I'd lynch on that alone. Boom hasn't posted in five days it seems. He only had three posts so not much to see with him.

My instincts tell me you'd be a bad lynch. I don't know if I'm right about that, so let's chat. Who among the people who have called for your lynch do you feel is most likely to be capitalizing on an opportunity (resulting from your staunch defenses of Fuzz)?

Golden and Sloonie off the top of my head. I also think DDL pushed for my lynch. I'm back and forth with Golden he seems townie, but at the same time he has helped to lead multiply mislynches and is trying to get me lynched. Sloonie his push for Matt still bothers me. DDL seemed to have also taken advantage of my situation quite a bit.

I'd put some stock in it, but not to much. If they make a good case sure, even some of their gut reads however, we don't know if they are actually helping us or not.

is there anything besides my Matt vote that bothers you about me?

[Prisoner 509378]

To question our motives is understandable. We're some kind of weird game mechanic personified, and it's an unusual circumstance. Still, to disregard our input would be a huge waste. I implore everyone to at least give us a fair chance, and if you disagree with our perspectives then that's fine.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Voting for Dragon D. Luffy now. His CFD behavior was really bad, and his interactions with Fuzz are also less than inspiring. This will make me the only vote on DDL right now, despite numerous people suspecting him to some degree. Why?

It's fair for you to believe that, but did you read my response to your points?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh nvm I didn't read the posts above. Give me some time. Sorry.

[Sloonei]

Your efforts are much appreciated, Mr 509378.

[Prisoner 509378]

Golden and Sloonie off the top of my head. I also think DDL pushed for my lynch. I'm back and forth with Golden he seems townie, but at the same time he has helped to lead multiply mislynches and is trying to get me lynched. Sloonie his push for Matt still bothers me. DDL seemed to have also taken advantage of my situation quite a bit.

I'd put some stock in it, but not to much. If they make a good case sure, even some of their gut reads however, we don't know if they are actually helping us or not.

In my unique position as a prisoner, observing your situation, I've found myself more suspicious of Epignosis's treatment of you than Sloonei's. How do you feel about Epi? I need to look into Golden's, I do admit I wouldn't expect him to go for the typical "sig defended a bad guy" angle without a good reason. I don't know the full context of his argument though.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Point is: I'm more worried about the people currently on the wagons wanting a way out, than the ones outside of them who are not satisfied wanting to create a new one.

This is a direct contradiction of DDL's prior stated beef with a CFD. He said it was a "perfect time" for baddies to save their team mates, which is obviously a reference to players voting on the bandwagons and not the players being bandwagoned. I read this as an uneasy step-back from his staunch resistance to a CFD, particularly as the votes for Fuzz started to pile in. DDL is my top suspect.

Dude when I wrote that post, it has been 30 seconds since I had first heard of the idea of CFD.

My immediate reaction was to think of it as some slimy attempt at redirecting the lynch.

Then people started arguing with me and I understood where they were coming from, so I became a little more neutral on the idea. Yes I stepped back, because my idea of it went from "scummy counter-wagon" to "stupid plan".

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Also, did you read my response to your ISO?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I can't believe there are 8 pages to catch up. I think I hate this prisoner mechanic. Ugh.

[Golf]

Your efforts are much appreciated, Mr 509378.

Yeah, fuck the others.

[Prisoner 509378]

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Also, did you read my response to your ISO?

Yes. It didn't really inspire me I guess. I don't see much evidence that the progression you're describing in your mindset regarding Fuzz was reflected in your efforts in this thread. The exchanges elapsed a few brief posts and was just very soft in general. I'm reminded of my own interactions with baddie team mates I've had in past games. It's rather textbook.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'd also like to state that from now on, I'll oppose every CFD in every game I play, regardless of alignment.

Just the fact that thing managed to make me so angry during the past week is already bad enough.

[thellama73]

I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

[Prisoner 509378]

The validity of CFDs as a strategy was literally proven in this game. It happened. They're not always great, perhaps not even usually, but there's a time and a place.

[Prisoner 509378]

I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

If you'd voted for DDL then both he and Quin would be at 2 votes right now. Why's Quin more lynchable, and why should that matter with so much time remaining in the day phase? Anything can happen here, especially with a bunch of less-than-predictable prisoner votes in the mix.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Maybe ISO my posts. I'm pretty sure I had a long debate with Golden on Night 2 about it.

I'm not gonna reproduce every response I made during this game because suddenly there are 15 new players who hadn't been playing with me before. It's not the idea I make of a fun game. If you guys want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

[sig]

Golden and Sloonie off the top of my head. I also think DDL pushed for my lynch. I'm back and forth with Golden he seems townie, but at the same time he has helped to lead multiply mislynches and is trying to get me lynched. Sloonie his push for Matt still bothers me. DDL seemed to have also taken advantage of my situation quite a bit.

I'd put some stock in it, but not to much. If they make a good case sure, even some of their gut reads however, we don't know if they are actually helping us or not.

In my unique position as a prisoner, observing your situation, I've found myself more suspicious of Epignosis's treatment of you than Sloonei's. How do you feel about Epi? I need to look into Golden's, I do admit I wouldn't expect him to go for the typical "sig defended a bad guy" angle without a good reason. I don't know the full context of his argument though.

I did find Epi pingy, his sudden interest in me and his avoidance of all major wagons until last phase seems weird. However, I have a very hard time reading Epi so I could be wrong.

@Sloonie yes that is my reasoning for why you could be bad.

[Golf]

I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

What does "lynchability" mean? Are there players who are not "lynchable"?

Also, yeah, you voted Dragon D. Luffy twice before, but now insist on Quin, I see. Why?

[NurseWilgy]

I hope I didn't miss the opportunity to cast a vote. Are we lynching sig or ika?

[Sloonei]

Point is: I'm more worried about the people currently on the wagons wanting a way out, than the ones outside of them who are not satisfied wanting to create a new one.

This is a direct contradiction of DDL's prior stated beef with a CFD. He said it was a "perfect time" for baddies to save their team mates, which is obviously a reference to players voting on the bandwagons and not the players being bandwagoned. I read this as an uneasy step-back from his staunch resistance to a CFD, particularly as the votes for Fuzz started to pile in. DDL is my top suspect.

Dude when I wrote that post, it has been 30 seconds since I had first heard of the idea of CFD.

My immediate reaction was to think of it as some slimy attempt at redirecting the lynch.

Then people started arguing with me and I understood where they were coming from, so I became a little more neutral on the idea. Yes I stepped back, because my idea of it went from "scummy counter-wagon" to "stupid plan".

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Also, did you read my response to your ISO?

But those two posts were 6 minutes apart, and this was your only post in between:

Spoiler: show

I don't like the idea of starting another wagon, when we already have 3, with less than an hour for the phase to end.

This is the PERFECT opportunity for scum to save each other if they need to.

If you don't like the current wagons then tough luck. Try to push another one earlier next day.

Every post you make is making you look more scummy, imo. Why shouldn't we try to push one now, when so many people think all of the current wagons don't have a lot of merit?

If people don't like any of the 3 wagons then sure, go ahead.

But inviting people to look for a fourth one reeks of an attempt to deflect this lynch into something else.

I don't like the timing of this at all. Because all the scum who are seeing their possible teammates get lynched will take the chance to jump out.

Who or what changed your mind in those couple of minutes?

[Golf]

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Maybe ISO my posts. I'm pretty sure I had a long debate with Golden on Night 2 about it.

I'm not gonna reproduce every response I made during this game because suddenly there are 15 new playerswho hadn't been playing with me before. It's not the idea I make of a fun game. If you guys want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

Technically, a few of them have played with you before.

[thellama73]

I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

What does "lynchability" mean? Are there players who are not "lynchable"?

Also, yeah, you voted Dragon D. Luffy twice before, but now insist on Quin, I see. Why?

It means that I don't think there is a realistic chance of getting enough votes on Dragon to lynch him, but people are more sympathetic to a Quin lynch. Since I suspect both of them, I will go for the easier kill.

[Golf]

I hope I didn't miss the opportunity to cast a vote. Are we lynching sig or ika?

WHAT

How can you vote as well?!

[Sloonei]

Your efforts are much appreciated, Mr 509378.

Yeah, fuck the others.

Ew, don't speak to me.

[Golf]

I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

What does "lynchability" mean? Are there players who are not "lynchable"?

Also, yeah, you voted Dragon D. Luffy twice before, but now insist on Quin, I see. Why?

It means that I don't think there is a realistic chance of getting enough votes on Dragon to lynch him, but people are more sympathetic to a Quin lynch. Since I suspect both of them, I will go for the easier kill.

There's no chance, like... ever? Shouldn't you... convince others to vote the person you'd like to lynch?

[Golf]

Your efforts are much appreciated, Mr 509378.

Yeah, fuck the others.

Ew, don't speak to me.

What dideth I doeth wrong by thee?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Who or what changed your mind in those couple of minutes?

Understanding of what was going on. The people who were arguing with me warmed me up to the idea.

That's another reason I'm skeptical about CFDs. The premise is that players who are bad tend to react badly to it. Well, I'll go ahead and say that everybody who has never heard of them before has a good chance of reacting badly to it. So it might work on a heavily method-based community like RYM where people use those things on a regular basis, but here those things scare people off.

I saw a flash counter-wagon happening and my first reaction was to yell at people to stop.

[Prisoner 509378]

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Maybe ISO my posts. I'm pretty sure I had a long debate with Golden on Night 2 about it.

I'm not gonna reproduce every response I made during this game because suddenly there are 15 new players who hadn't been playing with me before. It's not the idea I make of a fun game. If you guys want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

I'm not asking you to reproduce any responses. I honestly don't believe you. I think you're holding steadfast to a perspective you espoused prior to the CFD, and then you felt like you had to stick to your guns after the fact to alleviate the bad looks it'd produce. To think it was "a stupid plan" after the results it produced is frankly nonsense and I don't think you really believe that.

[thellama73]

I'm voting Quin for now, based on lynchability, but pleased to see a vote on Dragon.

What does "lynchability" mean? Are there players who are not "lynchable"?

Also, yeah, you voted Dragon D. Luffy twice before, but now insist on Quin, I see. Why?

It means that I don't think there is a realistic chance of getting enough votes on Dragon to lynch him, but people are more sympathetic to a Quin lynch. Since I suspect both of them, I will go for the easier kill.

There's no chance, like... ever? Shouldn't you... convince others to vote the person you'd like to lynch?

I've been trying to do that for the entire game. There comes a time when you have to take the victory you can get over the one you want.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I still think it's a stupid plan, btw.

Why?

Maybe ISO my posts. I'm pretty sure I had a long debate with Golden on Night 2 about it.

I'm not gonna reproduce every response I made during this game because suddenly there are 15 new playerswho hadn't been playing with me before. It's not the idea I make of a fun game. If you guys want to lynch me for that, go ahead.

Technically, a few of them have played with you before.

I mean during the game. And also the whole game.

If you were lynched during day 1 and has no idea what has been happening since them, you have a more limited idea of me.

[thellama73]

Anyway, votes are changeable. If people start agreeing with me on Dragon, I will move there.

[Scotty]

I hope I didn't miss the opportunity to cast a vote. Are we lynching sig or ika?

WHAT

How can you vote as well?!

This might actually work to our advantage.

I'm assuming whoever the warden is can't vote as both the sock warden and the real player. So we can limit who the warden might be based on which named players don't vote today.

Everyone should vote.