[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

#8301

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:No.
Then if you're town and your team loses, it's your fault.

I am and we will and it's not.

Prisoner 509378 · #8302

Epignosis wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:No.
Then if you're town and your team loses, it's your fault.
I am and we will and it's not.

Both Sloonei and I opened the door for you here and you just gave us the finger.

#8303

Well, your opinion of me isn't going to improve if I told you that my purpose for the spreadsheet wasn't so much to catch cops.

Prisoner 509378 · #8304

Epignosis wrote:Well, your opinion of me isn't going to improve if I told you that my purpose for the spreadsheet wasn't so much to catch cops.

Yeah that's what I figured.

Prisoner 509378 · #8305

Epignosis

#8306

Would still like to hear from Turnip Head about anything.

Prisoner 509378 · #8307

Sloonei wrote:Would still like to hear from Turnip Head about anything.

Agreed. The other two are anything but sorted.

#8308

Sloonei wrote:What role does chaindeath think SVS had?

Originally chaindeath thought that S~V~S might be the Don, but that doesn't work because she was arrested at night. Then He thought that she might have been the Consigliere. He thinks the most important point is that she was a civ. He apologizes if that's a shitty answer.

Looking at the polls again, specifically day 10's end, he thinks hes pieced together the puzzle more.

Spoiler: show

Assuming that the baddies knew that they wouldn't lynch Dom they all piled on. Three stand out as not civs. One who is not alive anymore, one who is a prisoner and perhaps not linked to their win con, one who is pretty well confirmed town possibly a Don or some role similar and one who is most likely a Don. Excluding Epi the cops would have a pretty easy time seeing who the next NK should be. He thinks....

Nero, no hate from chaindeath, as far as his style is concerned. In the games he's played people are often suspicious or poke at the third person thing, comes with the territory.

#8309

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Initial reactions to confirmed cop Dom not being lynched:

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:Or you for all we know Sloonei. Will have to evaluate some things

Epignosis wrote:There's more shortsightedness here than in a obstetrician's office from The Shire.

Nerolunar wrote:Just when we thought we could lock down some variables. What do we do? If we get to live another day Im inclined to believe Elohcin is still a valid lynch option, if just to decrease the number of cops.

Elohcin wrote:
Spoiler: show

Turnip Head wrote:Well, it didn't benefit us for me to say this earlier, but I am aware of at least one possibility for both non-Don civilians and cops alike to have access to a lynch pardon.

Based on all information available to me, based on voting records and revealed roles etc, I find it nearly impossible that Dom is a Don. He could be a civvie that gained access to a lynch pardon, but I also find this unlikely due to this post:

Dom wrote:I don't. Not if we cannot both survive for civvie reasons.
If Dom survived for a civvie reason, he would know that it is possible for at least one other civvie to survive for the same reason that he did.

In conclusion, I think we should lynch Dom tomorrow.

chaindeath wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Epi
Dom
Eloh
chaindeath

That is what I think the scum team looks like. We've probably already lost, but whatever.
And a list like that is why.

Punch some holes in mine.
I can't even fathom you being good at this point. Dom is not a Don and I don't think he's a Stool Pigeon (unsubstantiated), so I think he was saved by some scum mechanic. That leaves Elohcin, chaindeath, Nerolunar, and Soneji. Soneji and Nerolunar strike me as more believable townies than Eloh and chaindeath.[/quote]

Why?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nero's reaction looks like top grade b/s.

I disagree, Nero's reaction looks genuine to me there. If anything I'd say Sloonei's reaction looks the least genuine. A quick ISO of Sloonei's behavior at and around the Dom lynch make me feel a little queasy about him, he's clearly pushing the #LynchEpi agenda all throughout that and at one point said I was more suspicious than Dom for surviving the lynch. So why the angry face when Dom survived? That wasn't the reaction he had to my failed lynch. Sketchy.

Sloonei also has 965 posts so I'm not about to do a full blown ISO

But I think you're giving him too much credit at this point, Prisoner. He's active but I don't think he has to be town.

For the record I think Epi and Nero are both straight thugs. And based on my research after Gleam's flip, I think Epi is my Don from another mom.

#8310

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Sloonei wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Y'all wanna know what I'm really after? What really drives my rage?

Death to the Warden.
Just now when I reread this, I thought it said Death to the Walrus, lol.

I have tied my brain up into a knot over this. I will check in periodically and I will follow your vote, Sloonei, if 509378 & (hopefully) TH also do so. I don't want to be the fly in the ointment, but I intensely dislike feeling steered, and after a full nights sleep, I reread last nights thread, and I still feel that way. I feel like we are trusting people we should not trust. I feel that I no longer have any objectivity.

So I will go with the program votewise, but I don;t think I will have much more to add to the conversation other than angst & frustration, and the less of that the better
To be clear, I am 100% on board with either Epi or Dom. My vote also will go wherever the votes are. Eventually.

#8311

also

Sloonei wrote:Scratch that. I don't know which one of you is more suspicious. I'll figure it out later.

and

Sloonei wrote:Right now I am inclined to believe TH is the Sockface Don, though.

Prisoner 509378 · #8312

Turnip Head wrote:For the record I think Epi and Nero are both straight thugs. And based on my research after Gleam's flip, I think Epi is my Don from another mom.

1. Can you share what you're referring to here?

2. Does this change your mind:

Epignosis wrote:Well, your opinion of me isn't going to improve if I told you that my purpose for the spreadsheet wasn't so much to catch cops.

3. What makes you think Nero's not a cop?

Prisoner 509378 · #8313

While Sloonei may not be mechanically confirmed, I can't envision a scenario where I'd support his lynch in this game. He looked like the most obvious townie around when I joined the action, and I've never lost faith in that for a moment. If he's a cop, it would be the most stunning performance I've ever seen by a large margin. I wouldn't even be upset with myself for missing it.

#8314

I would be the happiest person in the world right now if I was a cop. In this game, I mean

Prisoner 509378 · #8315

Sloonei, Turnip Head might be on to something here. Have you looked into agleam (traitor) and his flip, and how that reflects upon his Day 1 voters?

#8316

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Sloonei, Turnip Head might be on to something here. Have you looked into agleam (traitor) and his flip, and how that reflects upon his Day 1 voters?

Nope. Have you?

Prisoner 509378 · #8317

Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Sloonei, Turnip Head might be on to something here. Have you looked into agleam (traitor) and his flip, and how that reflects upon his Day 1 voters?
Nope. Have you?

I am right now. Without looking, please tell me what you think of the notion that Epignosis and Turnip Head are the two dons.

#8318

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Sloonei, Turnip Head might be on to something here. Have you looked into agleam (traitor) and his flip, and how that reflects upon his Day 1 voters?
Nope. Have you?
I am right now. Without looking, please tell me what you think of the notion that Epignosis and Turnip Head are the two dons.

I find it unlikely.

Prisoner 509378 · #8319

Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Sloonei, Turnip Head might be on to something here. Have you looked into agleam (traitor) and his flip, and how that reflects upon his Day 1 voters?
Nope. Have you?
I am right now. Without looking, please tell me what you think of the notion that Epignosis and Turnip Head are the two dons.
I find it unlikely.

How unlikely?

#8320

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Sloonei, Turnip Head might be on to something here. Have you looked into agleam (traitor) and his flip, and how that reflects upon his Day 1 voters?
Nope. Have you?
I am right now. Without looking, please tell me what you think of the notion that Epignosis and Turnip Head are the two dons.
I find it unlikely.
How unlikely?

I'd give it like a 3/10.

Prisoner 509378 · #8321

Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Sloonei, Turnip Head might be on to something here. Have you looked into agleam (traitor) and his flip, and how that reflects upon his Day 1 voters?
Nope. Have you?
I am right now. Without looking, please tell me what you think of the notion that Epignosis and Turnip Head are the two dons.
I find it unlikely.
How unlikely?
I'd give it like a 3/10.

These are the documented voters for agleam on Day 1:

S~V~S - can't be don, arrested
DDL - can't be don, flipped as something else
Epignosis ?
Sloonei ?
Golden - can't be don, arrested

I'll double check for other votes.

#8322

any others?

Prisoner 509378 · #8323

Taking forever to scour every post, but not yet.

#8324

You only need to check the players that are still alive, don't you?

Prisoner 509378 · #8325

I looked at every single post and didn't find any others. Unless there was an undocumented post that the hosts counted (which I doubt given their emphasis on that point), then the only two Don candidates would seem to be Sloonei and Epignosis. I welcome anyone else to triple check.

Where does that leave us, Sloonei?

#8326

I still feel like lynching Epignosis.

Prisoner 509378 · #8327

Sloonei wrote:I still feel like lynching Epignosis.

What's holding you back from accepting this evidence?

#8328

My confidence that he's bad.

Prisoner 509378 · #8329

I don't think you can be the don considering your willingness to give him a 3/10 chance of being the don and your interest in the Day 1 votes. So for you to say he's not the don is suddenly a LOT to swallow. A lot of his commentary fits the bill too.

"Lynch me if you want, you won't get a cop."
"I don't care if I get lynched at this point."

#8330

Hey Epi, are you the Don?

Prisoner 509378 · #8331

If this is accurate and Turnip has a similarly solid reason to trust Nerolunar, then the game would be solved unless Sloonei is Satan.

#8332

Prisoner 509378 wrote:If this is accurate and Turnip has a similarly solid reason to trust Nerolunar, then the game would be solved unless Sloonei is Satan.

What is the solution here, just so I'm clear?

Prisoner 509378 · #8333

Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:If this is accurate and Turnip has a similarly solid reason to trust Nerolunar, then the game would be solved unless Sloonei is Satan.

What is the solution here, just so I'm clear?[/quote

The remaining cops would be chaindeath, Elohcin, and Soneji.

#8334

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:If this is accurate and Turnip has a similarly solid reason to trust Nerolunar, then the game would be solved unless Sloonei is Satan.
What is the solution here, just so I'm clear?[/quote

The remaining cops would be chaindeath, Elohcin, and Soneji.

So you believe Epi is the Don?

Prisoner 509378 · #8335

Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:If this is accurate and Turnip has a similarly solid reason to trust Nerolunar, then the game would be solved unless Sloonei is Satan.
What is the solution here, just so I'm clear?[/quote

The remaining cops would be chaindeath, Elohcin, and Soneji.
So you believe Epi is the Don?

I'll let him answer your question however he may.

I also just looked into the Nero/TH dynamic to see if there's a Don/consigliere situation. It's somewhat compelling, because Nero never voiced suspicion of TH and did not partake in the attempt to lynch him. TH was frequently defensive of Nero and nearly always voiced a town read on him. These posts shed some doubt though:

Turnip Head wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Would anybody be able to articulate a case against Nero? I'm reading him as town so far, and all I see is an honest townie trying to figure out the game when I look at his posts.
Why are you reading Nero as town?
The short version is that in our one previous game together, I had a scum read on him right away and this game his tone and effort seem much more sincere. I'll give some examples later when I'm able to.
Okay. I remember you saying something similar about Scotty in that you read him correctly as bad from the getgo somewhere else and you were right and don't feel that way here. I like to think Nero wouldn't have rolled baddie for his third straight game but you never know I don't really have a read on him but his framing of the opposition to the Gleam bandwagon felt odd. Like did he really think that that's what was happening or was he just throwing it out there?

Turnip Head wrote:That's because Nero made it seem like Quin was being evasive about whether or not he saved sig. Quin made it quite clear what he did.

#8336

Epi stopped being online. I'd be interested to hear from Nero or TH on your theory, even though no one is allowed to role claim here.

Prisoner 509378 · #8337

Yeah I'll wait for others' insights. Moved my vote to Sloonei for fear of lazy people pile-on. Not suspicious of him. Going to sleep.

#8338

Hey others, where's that insight?

#8339

Sloonei wrote:Epi stopped being online. I'd be interested to hear from Nero or TH on your theory, even though no one is allowed to role claim here.

Sloonei wrote:Hey Epi, are you the Don?

What's your motive in asking?

#8340

Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Epi stopped being online. I'd be interested to hear from Nero or TH on your theory, even though no one is allowed to role claim here.

Sloonei wrote:Hey Epi, are you the Don?

What's your motive in asking?

To get a response out of you.

#8341

Let's say I am a cop.

Who are my teammates?

#8342

Elohcin and chaindeath or nerolunar.

#8343

But I'm not a cop, so who are my teammates?

#8344

Elohcin and chaindeath or nerolunar.

#8345

Are you not denying being the Don?

#8346

That is probably an impossible question to answer. You don't need to answer it, I'll just continue to vote for you.

#8347

Sloonei wrote:That is probably an impossible question to answer. You don't need to answer it, I'll just continue to vote for you.

Knock yourself out chuckles. I don't give a shit.

Prisoner 509378 · #8348

If Epi is not the don it would imply severe manipulation of events by the hosts. The cops did indeed have a lynch stop somehow so

, but it's a lot harder to vote Epi now than it was yesterday.

#8349

Hey all, FYI our internet went out yesterday morning and it seems it won't be getting fixed until we get a tech out here. Should be today, but we will see. We will answer any questions as soon as we can.

Prisoner 509378 · #8350

I'll just say it then, since the day is dwindling down now. I think Epignosis is the don, and that lynching him today would win the game for the cops (with the only possible recovery coming from a failed arrest and/or a prison break). I still find Nero suspicious, but Turnip has a vital role in that discussion now and I really hope he can show up and gimme something there.

It's over! Would you play a sequel?