Sup dude - post reads etc. sooner - betterMovingPictures07 wrote:Morning. Catching up now.
Not gonna lite - youre my tin foil
Sup dude - post reads etc. sooner - betterMovingPictures07 wrote:Morning. Catching up now.
I'm sure you weren't drinking lite.Frog wrote:Not gonna lite - youre my tin foil
How is my play all over the place? I don't disagree with that characterization of my playstyle, particularly early game, but specifically what are you referring to?Frog wrote:Again, your play is all over the place, and from a wolf perspective, it looks opportunisitic, and it's looking to CHANGE the focus OFF of the four players I mentioned:MovingPictures07 wrote:I really am baffled why you continuously are saying things are "obvious" and why you make such confident assertions when... there's no way for you to know anything. Unless you're mafia. You've said on at least a handful of occasions some sort of sentiment as to how I'm mafia or that it's difficult to take me seriously, yet you haven't voted for me. I don't understand what you're doing.
A2theZebra
Dr wigly
Pscitformus
Marhsellow89
I'm certain I've screwed up all of their names, lol.
From a town perspective, you came in catching up on everything, giving fresh opinions left and right, and chances are you could just be plain contrarian, which is awfully inconvenient.
I would never vote you today. I think there's a good chance you are town with some derping reads.
I'd rather try to keep focus on the 4 players I mentioned.
And yeah, its just like my opinion man :-P
But I still think it'd be optimal. Pretty much want to lynch between these 4 almost definitely. I think there's a 50/50 chance of lynching a scum.
In order of preference for lynches:
A2theZebra/Marmellow
pscitformus
dr wigly
Just off the top of my head based on gut
Reads? I just posted a rainbow list at the end of the last time I was here. I would say they remain unchanged, at least, until I catch up and reevaluate based on new content. I'll give updated reads at that time; otherwise, assume they're the same.Frog wrote:Sup dude - post reads etc. sooner - betterMovingPictures07 wrote:Morning. Catching up now.
Not gonna lite - youre my tin foil
I try to go without more than 5 or 6 hours of sleep, it never seems to work.Frog wrote:Cheers mate, kick ass and take names.MovingPictures07 wrote:Yikes, I've been here significantly longer than I was supposed to. Okay. I have millions of things to get done. Be back later. Maybe this evening? Not sure exactly. Early tomorrow morning at the latest.
I usually find time to be busy all day, and play mafia all night. Who needs sleep anyway :-D
I literally acnt stop hiccopanchingGolden wrote:I'm sure you weren't drinking lite.Frog wrote:Not gonna lite - youre my tin foil
Are those post counts?Frog wrote:Not Lynching Today List:
Golden 53
Marco 43
Sloonei 41
Frog 34
Dyslexicon 27
Silverwolf 25
sig 20
Zexy 20
Suspicious List, want these guys to lead:
MovingPictures07 13
ika 11
Long Con 11
Inawordyes 10
Process of Elimination Lynch List for today
DrWilgy 4
Metalmarsh89 4
a2thezebra 3
Psittaciform 2
Again, these are my current positions.
I'd be more fine than not with a lynch on any of the 4
ika wrote:ok anyways, MP i have gut read son them if that doesnt suffice then i dont got much else to say
sig is odd due to his birt of psting and being majoryldiffrent then turf
See, I do know you pretty well, don't I?Golden wrote:This is exactly what it was in my mind. At the time of SW's vote I had no read on MP either way, but silverwolf rightly called my behaviour 'whiteknighting' and I do it quite regularly. I would call it defending someone against a rationale that I don't agree with. Sometimes I get caught defending scum because I'm defending them against an accusation I think is incorrect. And maybe the accusation WAS incorrect, but in any event they are still scum.MovingPictures07 wrote:Not particularly, no. As I mentioned earlier, I saw it more as an attempt to defend me from being mafia based on my content in the thread at that time, rather than defend me for being town, if that makes sense. If others disagree, please state so.Dyslexicon wrote:Do you think Golden had any reason to read you town at that time?MovingPictures07 wrote:I find it very much in character for Golden to defend me, regardless of his alignment, since it's something we both will not hesitate to do if we think the other one is town and is attracting heat early on, since we both often talk a lot and attract a lot of early suspicion, whether fairly or unfairly. A town Golden will not hesitate to defend with conviction any player he believes is town, but a scum Golden would have a similar incentive here since he would know I'm town. So the fact that he defends me is NAI, but I wanted to elaborate upon this nonetheless, in an attempt to provide meaningful context for Silverwolf and anyone else interested.
It is important to distinguish between disagreeing with someones case (and do therefore implicitly defending the person who is the subject of that case), and saying you read someone as town. They are different, even though they can easily appear conflated.
I've made my position clear. Youre q uestioning players who really shouldnt be questioned upon simple deduction. Admittingly, I dont know what level of a pl ayer you are. Specifically, ugh I'm laxy as fuck but im sure nested quotes should have at minimally referenced it. Yeah moving picutes, just chceked hwo I'm talking to to put a name to a history, you've been going after easy mislynches, and counter optimal stragegy quite a bit. My tinfoil is quite strong wi th you. I'd suggest if you're wolf at this point to go deep, because you will have no luck head to head if you will it. Either because of logical fallacies as scum or town.MovingPictures07 wrote:How is my play all over the place? I don't disagree with that characterization of my playstyle, particularly early game, but specifically what are you referring to?Frog wrote:Again, your play is all over the place, and from a wolf perspective, it looks opportunisitic, and it's looking to CHANGE the focus OFF of the four players I mentioned:MovingPictures07 wrote:I really am baffled why you continuously are saying things are "obvious" and why you make such confident assertions when... there's no way for you to know anything. Unless you're mafia. You've said on at least a handful of occasions some sort of sentiment as to how I'm mafia or that it's difficult to take me seriously, yet you haven't voted for me. I don't understand what you're doing.
A2theZebra
Dr wigly
Pscitformus
Marhsellow89
I'm certain I've screwed up all of their names, lol.
From a town perspective, you came in catching up on everything, giving fresh opinions left and right, and chances are you could just be plain contrarian, which is awfully inconvenient.
I would never vote you today. I think there's a good chance you are town with some derping reads.
I'd rather try to keep focus on the 4 players I mentioned.
And yeah, its just like my opinion man :-P
But I still think it'd be optimal. Pretty much want to lynch between these 4 almost definitely. I think there's a 50/50 chance of lynching a scum.
In order of preference for lynches:
A2theZebra/Marmellow
pscitformus
dr wigly
Just off the top of my head based on gut
You basically want to lynch a lurker? I mean, I can see why I suppose. I don't understand how you think I'm drawing attention away from those more than anyone else is... can you explain that?
Sloonei a bit too high. After his latest posts I would drop him a bit...Golden wrote:Rainbow time - decided to treat it like gth and have no null reads.
Medium Town
Marco
Sloonei
Zexy
Mild Town
Frog
MovingPictures07
Silverwolf
Dyslexicon
Long Con
sig
Mild Bad
ika
Inawordyes
Psittaciform
Soneji
Metalmarsh89
Moderate Bad
a2thezebra
DrWilgy
... Objection? The only one was the recent 6er in MU in which we didn't interact at all. And the Mayor game which wasn't the mafia.Inawordyes wrote:- Players I have played at least one game with before are: Frog, Zexy, Kia, and sig.
The two games you are talking about had a HUUUUUGE activity difference. In my homesite I can easily be the most active guy and lead and have lots of a voice. That's why I was picked as the rep. Oh, btw, it's now set in stone, I'll be Bulba's rep. In MU I am struggling to keep up. Here, I am also struggling but not as much. I am not prone to mislynches in Bulba, in MU I am a bit when I'm not giving it my all to be honest, in the SHOTS 9er, I wasn't giving it my all. I'm not exactly giving it my all in this game as well but I sure try more. because I need to practice for the Champ, and there I'll have to give 101% allFrog wrote:Zexy - Zexy's game isn't necessarily about post farming. I've seen Zexy's town game being low post count and being completely in tune with the game and coming up with the same conclusions as I do without taking the leadership position. I've also seen Zexy in the leadership position for Town but it makes her prone to mislynches.
Couldn't make up my mind on him. Going to move him to slight town I'm thinking.Golden wrote:Why is sig null?MovingPictures07 wrote:Null:
sig
Literally ntohing matters WRT vount coubnts since I've made it an issue because it's osme thinthing to eplay off of.MovingPictures07 wrote:Are those post counts?Frog wrote:Not Lynching Today List:
Golden 53
Marco 43
Sloonei 41
Frog 34
Dyslexicon 27
Silverwolf 25
sig 20
Zexy 20
Suspicious List, want these guys to lead:
MovingPictures07 13
ika 11
Long Con 11
Inawordyes 10
Process of Elimination Lynch List for today
DrWilgy 4
Metalmarsh89 4
a2thezebra 3
Psittaciform 2
Again, these are my current positions.
I'd be more fine than not with a lynch on any of the 4
You realize I have more than that now, right?
I still believe it. I never made a 180. The reason I gave was that my opinion had not changed but I decided to let it go and follow a different path for now, because I didn't feel I was doing anything productive.ika wrote:i know i wanted to have some fun.Sloonei wrote:Now I'm asking why. Why?ika wrote:you asked who to vote for noting elseSloonei wrote:Why?ika wrote:moving picutreSloonei wrote:Somebody tell me who I should vote for. I am not going to be able to read this thread tonight. Or tomorrow. Or the next day. I probably should have stayed on the sidelines.
no but mp doesnt seem to believe in his push when he was pushing me when i called him out on it.
then when sivler moves her vote after MP was suspecing her slighy, makes a 180 and joins her
This is such an odd statement. If you think scum deduction is that simple, I'd assume you never lose.Frog wrote:Youre q uestioning players who really shouldnt be questioned upon simple deduction.
I just don't understand why your rainbow list is still arranged by post counts that are clearly outdated. Is that just a coincidence?Frog wrote:Literally ntohing matters WRT vount coubnts since I've made it an issue because it's osme thinthing to eplay off of.MovingPictures07 wrote:Are those post counts?Frog wrote:Not Lynching Today List:
Golden 53
Marco 43
Sloonei 41
Frog 34
Dyslexicon 27
Silverwolf 25
sig 20
Zexy 20
Suspicious List, want these guys to lead:
MovingPictures07 13
ika 11
Long Con 11
Inawordyes 10
Process of Elimination Lynch List for today
DrWilgy 4
Metalmarsh89 4
a2thezebra 3
Psittaciform 2
Again, these are my current positions.
I'd be more fine than not with a lynch on any of the 4
You realize I have more than that now, right?
If you *acutally* have a case WRT vote counts, then you literally agree w ith everything I say because merits in VCA. Otherwise, your opponent WRT VCA. You assume undermining ally role, whihc is literally impossible. F off GG etc.
You're more likely town than not. Less show more umph.MovingPictures07 wrote:I still believe it. I never made a 180. The reason I gave was that my opinion had not changed but I decided to let it go and follow a different path for now, because I didn't feel I was doing anything productive.ika wrote:i know i wanted to have some fun.Sloonei wrote:Now I'm asking why. Why?ika wrote:you asked who to vote for noting elseSloonei wrote:Why?ika wrote:moving picutreSloonei wrote:Somebody tell me who I should vote for. I am not going to be able to read this thread tonight. Or tomorrow. Or the next day. I probably should have stayed on the sidelines.
no but mp doesnt seem to believe in his push when he was pushing me when i called him out on it.
then when sivler moves her vote after MP was suspecing her slighy, makes a 180 and joins her
Why other people don't find you suspicious for just throwing out names and not backing any of them is beyond me. I saw your play in E.S.T. and you gave firm reasons for people being mafia, from what I recall, and I'm not seeing that here.
I WILL tryi drunk. The simple answe is this. When I brought up the topic - the topic was FRESH. Now the topic is DRYU. What i mean by that is this, simply:MovingPictures07 wrote:I just don't understand why your rainbow list is still arranged by post counts that are clearly outdated. Is that just a coincidence?Frog wrote:Literally ntohing matters WRT vount coubnts since I've made it an issue because it's osme thinthing to eplay off of.MovingPictures07 wrote:Are those post counts?Frog wrote:Not Lynching Today List:
Golden 53
Marco 43
Sloonei 41
Frog 34
Dyslexicon 27
Silverwolf 25
sig 20
Zexy 20
Suspicious List, want these guys to lead:
MovingPictures07 13
ika 11
Long Con 11
Inawordyes 10
Process of Elimination Lynch List for today
DrWilgy 4
Metalmarsh89 4
a2thezebra 3
Psittaciform 2
Again, these are my current positions.
I'd be more fine than not with a lynch on any of the 4
You realize I have more than that now, right?
If you *acutally* have a case WRT vote counts, then you literally agree w ith everything I say because merits in VCA. Otherwise, your opponent WRT VCA. You assume undermining ally role, whihc is literally impossible. F off GG etc.
Feel free to respond when you've sobered up if you're feeling too out of it.
I don't disagree, I can fathom her thought process with respect to that early vote as well. It doesn't mean she's right about me though (hint: she isn't).Golden wrote:The way I take this is, SW feels you could have used the time telling us you weren't going to be around to make reads.MovingPictures07 wrote:I've been taking the time to post content whenever I'm here for longer than 2 seconds, so I'm not sure what you're going on about. I knew I would be incredibly busy yesterday; I warned you all of it. It's something I do in every game regardless of alignment. If you don't take my word on that, then fine, but one comparison to some other player in some other specific circumstance does not mean I'm the same alignment.Silverwolf wrote:@Golden-constant excuses is because, besides the content I didn't like that I pointed out, he only was telling us his schedule and why he couldn't be here, I never doubted his RL, let me give you an example:
In a MS game offsite (ika-this is 188), there was a player named Ozgin. He was scum in that game. His first few posts were exactly like MP's-giving out his exact schedule of when he could post or not and continuing to do that. So this is why I am wary of it.
I was trying to get him to stop taking the time to do that, but to take the time to post content, when he could come back and do so.
If this doesn't make sense to you, I don't know what to do then.
Personally, I know that you (and I, as well) have a need to tell people when we won't be around since we are such high posters that people suspect us merely for being quieter, even when we have rl reasons for it. But, I can see why silverwolf might not have realised there is legitimate reason why you need to do this. This post made me feel a lot better about her original vote for you.
Minorly convinced TBH.MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't disagree, I can fathom her thought process with respect to that early vote as well. It doesn't mean she's right about me though (hint: she isn't).Golden wrote:The way I take this is, SW feels you could have used the time telling us you weren't going to be around to make reads.MovingPictures07 wrote:I've been taking the time to post content whenever I'm here for longer than 2 seconds, so I'm not sure what you're going on about. I knew I would be incredibly busy yesterday; I warned you all of it. It's something I do in every game regardless of alignment. If you don't take my word on that, then fine, but one comparison to some other player in some other specific circumstance does not mean I'm the same alignment.Silverwolf wrote:@Golden-constant excuses is because, besides the content I didn't like that I pointed out, he only was telling us his schedule and why he couldn't be here, I never doubted his RL, let me give you an example:
In a MS game offsite (ika-this is 188), there was a player named Ozgin. He was scum in that game. His first few posts were exactly like MP's-giving out his exact schedule of when he could post or not and continuing to do that. So this is why I am wary of it.
I was trying to get him to stop taking the time to do that, but to take the time to post content, when he could come back and do so.
If this doesn't make sense to you, I don't know what to do then.
Personally, I know that you (and I, as well) have a need to tell people when we won't be around since we are such high posters that people suspect us merely for being quieter, even when we have rl reasons for it. But, I can see why silverwolf might not have realised there is legitimate reason why you need to do this. This post made me feel a lot better about her original vote for you.
I'm still liking my rainbow for now. No change. I understand why you would find LC high in particular, but LC is probably the player in this game who I've played with the most (either him or MP), and I think I get good reads on him more often than not. Right now, I don't have any reason really to town read him but I certainly don't have any reason to mild scum him, nothing about his play seems off to me, and I was going for no null reads.Zexy wrote:Sloonei a bit too high. After his latest posts I would drop him a bit...
Silverwolf/Long Con a bit too high for my liking as well. Dyslexicon not yet sure. Especially now that he only wishes to find out when EOD is but is unwilling to give us other thoughts…
Wilgy maybe a bit too low? Quirky meta could move him up a tier I think. Or not, that OMGUS is bad…
Not more than me. To be... Onest? Drunk? Something else?Frog wrote:Zexy - yes I fucked up in our 9er shooter game. TBO Panther is fucking legit. We stokr each other like cats on Cleopatra's alters. I thought I had a the sub read that failed disinctly (obv can't relaease it publically, but shoot me a PM for the fake meta town read I thought was legit).
Inawordyes wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Spoiler: show
I'm pinged here by inawordyes's declaration that he is playing to his own meta. Dom caught me in Arkham Mafia for saying this same thing. It indicates the mindset of someone who is purposefully making posts with the intention of playing to an existing standard, which can be defended against with the mere declaration that it's "my meta".
Huh, nice catch! That Ina girl is pretty teh scummehs.
Haha I didn't really mean anything by it, I was just commenting that I was gonna play as myself, my standard play, rather than the aggressive MU play that I have to adopt to adapt. I guess saying meta kinda soured the whole intent though, so I'm sorry for that.
Any questions you have about my meta? I can link games from across my MM spectrum for reference if you guys want.
This is all good to know, thanks.Frog wrote:Ika - Once upon a time Ika was an very dedicated player. After years of gaming Ika became jaded and stopped giving so many shits and pretty much plays on gut reads. When he gives a shit and posts like nuts, he's more town than not. Relationship with Silverwolf
Silverwolf - Silver wolf is an analytical player. I've seen Silver Wolf's deduction and interactivity being generally aggressive.
Zexy - Zexy's game isn't necessarily about post farming. I've seen Zexy's town game being low post count and being completely in tune with the game and coming up with the same conclusions as I do without taking the leadership position. I've also seen Zexy in the leadership position for Town but it makes her prone to mislynches.
IAWY - IAWY is generally aggressive high poster as town. #respect|
Me - I'm... the Solo Hero.
Vote count analysisZexy wrote:Question for Frog; What is VCA?
… idk what else I have to say for now. Tbh I have to go again and I got a bit discouraged to keep going right now upon seeing Dyslexicon’s hugeposts. But I’ll be back.
Death Note is awesome.Frog wrote:"shinigami aren't permitted to undo that which has been fated. At that moment jealous became something that is ne ither sand nor rust, he died. The only reminder of his existence became his deathnote which remained his life"
FYI - in the champs games do not expect to ask public questions wrt the game to the host. Doing so is considered shooting an angle and breaking the rules.
Speaking of:
Question to JJJ:
How do you kill a shinigami?
Dizzy, to respond to the your points addressing me, in order:Dyslexicon wrote:Page 12-15 - Still catching up.
Minor detail (maybe) - but you've decided the order of the list before you're done catching up? Still a few pages to go between the Ika quote you replied to and this post.MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd highly suggest reading all content when you get the chance, because I'd like to hear more from you. You're towards the bottom of my upcoming rainbow right now, so I'd support your lynch and you should have at least some sense of urgency for that reason.
Especially when you want to catch up before working on the rainbow. "Technically" catch up?MovingPictures07 wrote:Marco, I'll get to your post on zebra in a bit, but I want to finish technically catching up so I can work on my rainbow.
That makes sense and is how I read it too, but in the original quote here you only talk about how Golden's defense makes sense because him defending town reads is something he would do. So then that is a different thing altoghether from how you say you were reading the situation of Golden defending you, making the original quote not applicable.Spoiler: show
In other words it reads to me - "I don't find what Golden was doing alignment indicative, but that wasn't what he was doing."
On my home site "gut reads" are often called "guy reads" because of this common autocorrect. :P Guy reads <3ika wrote:Guts not guy
I don't care for your "plan" because I don't care for plans in general. I don't need a plan to push lurkers or even wanting to see one lynched. Lurkers should be pushed and should be lynch options or else mafia can just skate by. If I see a non-lurker I'd rather vote for I'm doing that. I don't want to waste time talking about whether or not a plan should be implemented to do something that can just as easily be done as a natural part of the game. IMO that wastes time and opens for a type of meta-game discussion ("Is lynching lurkers a good idea or not?" and the variants) that isn't really game solving and is very easy for scum to take part in to look like their doing something. Again, I'd rather just scum hunt.Spoiler: show
I thought the exact same thing, and almost quoted him on it too.Silverwolf wrote:If he's tryhard wolf, it is worth the effort to me.
I disagree!Zexy wrote:Btw this overall behavior from MP is seriously towny. His questions/cases on everybody make lots of sense.
K, well I found the whole thing pretty towny on her part, but I do realize that being in that discussion in real time is a different thing. She's coming across as very town to me in later posts, we even think the same things it seems.Spoiler: show
Yes, this is what was my hunch, and why I'm paying some extra attention to you. And I bet you'd say this as town and scum as well. :PAlso, to you and zexy - you shouldn't rely on a strong town meta from me as being a sign I'm town. I think (others can give you their own opinion) that I maintain a pretty solid helpful-civ meta across both town and scum. It's totally fair for you to be paranoid. But I am town this game.
Yes, I feel bad for you about this. Must be frustrating no matter alignment.Golden wrote:I mean, look at this. What am I supposed to do with this. Are you even reading my posts at all?
Here, have a kitty:
No, we don't need 9 votes. The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. 9 votes is only for hammer lynching before the deadline.Silverwolf wrote:OVERALL, we need 9 votes. I'm hoping as town, we can find them today on someone. We are too divided it seems and I'd like to get a consensus before day ends. I do realize we have time but not a much as you'd think.
Why wouldn't I? That would be obstructionist. Just because I disagree with focusing solely on low posters doesn't mean I shouldn't provide a list if Frog wants them.Dyslexicon wrote:Page 15-18
Why?MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, Frog, I owe you 4 names for your low poster thing, don't I? Even if I don't agree with it, I'll gladly oblige.
Why is Golden null?Dyslexicon wrote:Town
Silverwolf
Townish
Marco
Slight town maybe not sure
ika
Zexy
Frog
Null
Golden
Inawordyes
DrWilgy
Sloonei
Null but suspicious
a2thezebra
sig
Long Con
Scummish
MovingPictures07
Extreme lurk alert:
Psittaciform
Soneji
Metalmarsh89
I already said this, and I agree.MovingPictures07 wrote:It's not an easy push. That's absurd. An easy push would have been what Frog is doing -- for the people who aren't around.
Golden, not to dig my own mislynch here, but... I had you as slight town.Golden wrote:I guess what I'm saying is, if mp was scum, I think any soft defence he would make of me would be with the goal of getting me on side. He had me as null, I think if he was disingenuous scum buddying me he would have me at least as slight town.
The best angle for him being scum right now is that he is not soft defending me, but rather trying to replicate how he feels he would read me if he was town.
But, I don't see the suspicion on mp right now. I lean town, I don't think his suspicions are that weak like others seem to think. I just don't see the suspicion that others do.
lel - TBH im bedazzled - Ika and/or silverwolf w ith abit of elbow grease is a simple lynch whether town or scum. But it's a weak player push. I've been opposing it precisely because of that.MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand this double standard. Literally no one in this thread agrees with me about ika, so yes, I am spending more time explaining and defending my view than I am explaining why I think he's scum. I already explained in full and pointed to posts why I was mafia reading him, and his continued insistence to only throw out gut reads is infuriating. Apparently I'm not accustomed to his meta even though I've seen it in action, because I feel like I'm playing a different game than everyone else. It's not an easy push. That's absurd. An easy push would have been what Frog is doing -- for the people who aren't around. It's Day fucking 1, I explained precisely why I thought ika was scum. No one agrees with me.Spoiler: show
Wait, what?Frog wrote:I've made my position clear. Youre q uestioning players who really shouldnt be questioned upon simple deduction. Admittingly, I dont know what level of a pl ayer you are. Specifically, ugh I'm laxy as fuck but im sure nested quotes should have at minimally referenced it. Yeah moving picutes, just chceked hwo I'm talking to to put a name to a history, you've been going after easy mislynches, and counter optimal stragegy quite a bit. My tinfoil is quite strong wi th you. I'd suggest if you're wolf at this point to go deep, because you will have no luck head to head if you will it. Either because of logical fallacies as scum or town.MovingPictures07 wrote:
How is my play all over the place? I don't disagree with that characterization of my playstyle, particularly early game, but specifically what are you referring to?
You basically want to lynch a lurker? I mean, I can see why I suppose. I don't understand how you think I'm drawing attention away from those more than anyone else is... can you explain that?
I basically DONT want lyncha lurker, although, gae AND SHOVING NARRAITIVE. I've explained the pros and cons from:
1) Town - we froce town to partake in effective communciation
2) Scum - we force scum to take part in game solving w hich is agains their win con -e.g. VACa heavean
3) non-town - reder to T v S s cum perspectives until I bring it up in particular for now, but certainly expect your angus to be peppered. I'll just say this - the fallous is large and drowning. prove yourself dude.
QFTGolden wrote:This is such an odd statement. If you think scum deduction is that simple, I'd assume you never lose.Frog wrote:Youre q uestioning players who really shouldnt be questioned upon simple deduction.
EVERYONE should be questioned. No stone should be entitled to be left unturned.
What do you mean?Frog wrote: You're more likely town than not. Less show more umph.
I'm expecting a solid FOS from you after so much pazzaz.MovingPictures07 wrote:What do you mean?Frog wrote: You're more likely town than not. Less show more umph.
This is grossGolden wrote:I already said this, and I agree.MovingPictures07 wrote:It's not an easy push. That's absurd. An easy push would have been what Frog is doing -- for the people who aren't around.
I don't like it when people say the 'easy push' is a thorough case that no-one is following, especially when the same people are saying we should ignore reads, have no-one with high posts question each other, and go exclusively after low posters.
Okay, sure.Frog wrote:Minorly convinced TBH.MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't disagree, I can fathom her thought process with respect to that early vote as well. It doesn't mean she's right about me though (hint: she isn't).Golden wrote:The way I take this is, SW feels you could have used the time telling us you weren't going to be around to make reads.MovingPictures07 wrote:I've been taking the time to post content whenever I'm here for longer than 2 seconds, so I'm not sure what you're going on about. I knew I would be incredibly busy yesterday; I warned you all of it. It's something I do in every game regardless of alignment. If you don't take my word on that, then fine, but one comparison to some other player in some other specific circumstance does not mean I'm the same alignment.Silverwolf wrote:@Golden-constant excuses is because, besides the content I didn't like that I pointed out, he only was telling us his schedule and why he couldn't be here, I never doubted his RL, let me give you an example:
In a MS game offsite (ika-this is 188), there was a player named Ozgin. He was scum in that game. His first few posts were exactly like MP's-giving out his exact schedule of when he could post or not and continuing to do that. So this is why I am wary of it.
I was trying to get him to stop taking the time to do that, but to take the time to post content, when he could come back and do so.
If this doesn't make sense to you, I don't know what to do then.
Personally, I know that you (and I, as well) have a need to tell people when we won't be around since we are such high posters that people suspect us merely for being quieter, even when we have rl reasons for it. But, I can see why silverwolf might not have realised there is legitimate reason why you need to do this. This post made me feel a lot better about her original vote for you.
Telll meHOW you are town in your uniq ue way please. preferably 1 minute to go.
Hope everything is OK.Frog wrote:AHHH FML - Personal situations might get heavy this week after tonight beyond. Can town please steamroll? Please? focuson the 4 low posters i suggested plox.
Meh - coordinated defense. I was expecting a random "FU" gif tbh. You play serious which is awesome. You're a high level player which is good to know for here on out.MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, sure.Frog wrote:Minorly convinced TBH.MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't disagree, I can fathom her thought process with respect to that early vote as well. It doesn't mean she's right about me though (hint: she isn't).Golden wrote:The way I take this is, SW feels you could have used the time telling us you weren't going to be around to make reads.MovingPictures07 wrote:I've been taking the time to post content whenever I'm here for longer than 2 seconds, so I'm not sure what you're going on about. I knew I would be incredibly busy yesterday; I warned you all of it. It's something I do in every game regardless of alignment. If you don't take my word on that, then fine, but one comparison to some other player in some other specific circumstance does not mean I'm the same alignment.Silverwolf wrote:@Golden-constant excuses is because, besides the content I didn't like that I pointed out, he only was telling us his schedule and why he couldn't be here, I never doubted his RL, let me give you an example:
In a MS game offsite (ika-this is 188), there was a player named Ozgin. He was scum in that game. His first few posts were exactly like MP's-giving out his exact schedule of when he could post or not and continuing to do that. So this is why I am wary of it.
I was trying to get him to stop taking the time to do that, but to take the time to post content, when he could come back and do so.
If this doesn't make sense to you, I don't know what to do then.
Personally, I know that you (and I, as well) have a need to tell people when we won't be around since we are such high posters that people suspect us merely for being quieter, even when we have rl reasons for it. But, I can see why silverwolf might not have realised there is legitimate reason why you need to do this. This post made me feel a lot better about her original vote for you.
Telll meHOW you are town in your uniq ue way please. preferably 1 minute to go.
I am town because that is what I randed at the start of the game. I have been demonstrating that I am town via the following ways:
1) I have been hunting for mafia in literally every other player of this game to the best of my ability, and will continue to do so. (FYI a new rainbow list is upcoming, after I perform some reevaluation.)
2) Although I will aggressively pursue someone I think is mafia, I am also always willing to reevaluate my suspicions as well as work in the town's best interests. I will be clear as possible with regards to my suspicions, and pursue them, but I feel it is best when players coordinate and collaborate as well. I've seen too many towns collapse because they distrusted each other and never gave each other a chance.
3) Effort. I can try all I want to replicate this as mafia, and my post count isn't indicative of my alignment, but when push comes to shove town MP exudes effort in a way that mafia MP cannot match. So far, given my RL constraints, I think I've demonstrated this.
I must just have different experience so far with ika and Silverwolf than you have had.Frog wrote:lel - TBH im bedazzled - Ika and/or silverwolf w ith abit of elbow grease is a simple lynch whether town or scum. But it's a weak player push. I've been opposing it precisely because of that.MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand this double standard. Literally no one in this thread agrees with me about ika, so yes, I am spending more time explaining and defending my view than I am explaining why I think he's scum. I already explained in full and pointed to posts why I was mafia reading him, and his continued insistence to only throw out gut reads is infuriating. Apparently I'm not accustomed to his meta even though I've seen it in action, because I feel like I'm playing a different game than everyone else. It's not an easy push. That's absurd. An easy push would have been what Frog is doing -- for the people who aren't around. It's Day fucking 1, I explained precisely why I thought ika was scum. No one agrees with me.Spoiler: show
Rest assured - I WILL resolve multiple players tomorrow
I'd prefer if we coordinated amongst the 4 I suggested for now.
What is this from?Frog wrote:Meh - o just realized majjority of you (certainly not all of you) require basic argumentation.
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What's FOS? Lol.Frog wrote:I'm expecting a solid FOS from you after so much pazzaz.MovingPictures07 wrote:What do you mean?Frog wrote: You're more likely town than not. Less show more umph.
I'm willing to take a fair step back and reevaluate him, since it's clear that his meta is well established.Frog wrote:Lel - in the games of.. every time - Ika is an easy mislynch because of his reluctance to play ser iously. It's a fact of life. You're welcome for insight.
Culture clash at its finest.Frog wrote:This is grossGolden wrote:I already said this, and I agree.MovingPictures07 wrote:It's not an easy push. That's absurd. An easy push would have been what Frog is doing -- for the people who aren't around.
I don't like it when people say the 'easy push' is a thorough case that no-one is following, especially when the same people are saying we should ignore reads, have no-one with high posts question each other, and go exclusively after low posters.