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Oh I am. I just finished catching up.Epignosis wrote:
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What makes you think my role has secrets? I'd prefer to hear your thought process on this, because right now there's NOTHING I can say to any of this.BigDamnHero wrote:Epignosis wrote:If you want to go in that direction, I will support you. I went through (half of) bwt and gave my opinion, but if you feel differently, I'm willing to back you up.
Plus it'd be a relief for someone else to get shit if you're wrong.
FUck it...I'm just throwin' it out there: I have a STRONG indication that BWT is a role with secrets attached to him...it's the ONLY explaination I can come up with. That leaves me to believe thag if he's not civ, then he's a crooked cop or Despereaux (who may or may not be able to assist the civs). The problem is all the damn secrets and we don't know what we don't know...
Why I'm not being replaced: I'm still able to be active in the game. I just don't have the emotional energy to make the long, impassioned speeches that would change people's minds, and frankly, I think it's too late for the civs regardless. Best case, we can just play spoiler for one of the baddie factions.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well if you really are civ, then wouldn't you at least try to find a replacement?Russtifinko wrote:I vote more people follow Epi and vote me. In fact, I'll be the first. One of the longest weeks of my life, and I don't have energy to try to save this game. So lynch me, and please, for the love of God, do 2 things when I die:
1) Lynch timmer. THat way we'll have done at least one thing right this game.
2) Dethrone Epi as King of the Thread. I mean, it was a pretty inactive game, and someone had to fill the void, so in that respect Epi is helping. But he's wrong, and the vast majority of the thread is treating his word like gold. It lets baddies skate by when 2/3 of voters say "Oh sure, whatever Epi said. That'll be good."
Is there anyone else you think would be worthwhile for us to vote for today? I have my own top suspicions, but given how pisspoor most of the votes have gone so far, I'm trying to keep an open mind about this.
And I do agree with the last statement to an extent. Especially if we dealt with early inactive baddies. Because if we have players who are simply following his lead, then it gives the baddies an avenue to follow for sure.
I just happen to agree with him a lot this game is all. Which given our track record so far may or may not be a good thing.
That's not true and now you're making a mockery of yourself.Russtifinko wrote:And I do agree with the last statement to an extent. Especially if we dealt with early inactive baddies. Because if we have players who are simply following his lead, then it gives the baddies an avenue to follow for sure.
Linki: Epig, how is that not a possibility of being true?Russtifinko wrote:Why I'm not being replaced: I'm still able to be active in the game. I just don't have the emotional energy to make the long, impassioned speeches that would change people's minds, and frankly, I think it's too late for the civs regardless. Best case, we can just play spoiler for one of the baddie factions.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well if you really are civ, then wouldn't you at least try to find a replacement?Russtifinko wrote:I vote more people follow Epi and vote me. In fact, I'll be the first. One of the longest weeks of my life, and I don't have energy to try to save this game. So lynch me, and please, for the love of God, do 2 things when I die:
1) Lynch timmer. THat way we'll have done at least one thing right this game.
2) Dethrone Epi as King of the Thread. I mean, it was a pretty inactive game, and someone had to fill the void, so in that respect Epi is helping. But he's wrong, and the vast majority of the thread is treating his word like gold. It lets baddies skate by when 2/3 of voters say "Oh sure, whatever Epi said. That'll be good."
Is there anyone else you think would be worthwhile for us to vote for today? I have my own top suspicions, but given how pisspoor most of the votes have gone so far, I'm trying to keep an open mind about this.
And I do agree with the last statement to an extent. Especially if we dealt with early inactive baddies. Because if we have players who are simply following his lead, then it gives the baddies an avenue to follow for sure.
I just happen to agree with him a lot this game is all. Which given our track record so far may or may not be a good thing.
I understand that feeling. I've been in the same boat myself multiple times. And mathematically, it's still not over for the civs! But I think we're in big trouble if we don't get this lynch right.
Also, if I got replaced, Epi would just insist that any role that got replaced twice is even MORE likely to be bad and that poor schmo would take 5 instant votes.
While I did agree with Epig about a lot of things, I'm with you on this one as I stated previously. I don't get the logic myself.
I've already stated I think we should vote timmer. Are people seriously not getting that I suspect him? Because I feel like I've been abundantly clear. Is anyone even reading my posts? Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb....
I get why you suspect him. I suspect him myself. I just think based on some of what he's said in this phase, that I think it's less likely that he's bad.
Yeah, it's one thing to agree with Epi some of the time. It's another thing for 3-4 people to be taking every word he says as gold when he's already led one mislynch and is on his way to #2. I honestly don't know if he's bad or good, but the blind following is absolutely bad. He's human and subject to making errors like the rest of us, and he needs to be treated as such even though he writes very convincingly.
Yep. Stated my feelings on this earlier as well. Just because I agree with him a LOT this game doesn't mean the man is infallible.
Linki: BWT, vote for me instead! I'm bad for the same reasons as Scotty (being a replacement and Scotty not suspecting me when he replaced in), and I've led a mislynch (Scotty 1.0), which Scotty hasn't done. Plus if I get lynched someone might be able to convince people to stop following Epi and to lynch timmer. Whereas if/when Scotty dies, either everyone will drink more of Epi's Kool-Aid (if Scotty is bad), or, if he's good, no one will quite know what to do next - enter Epi, Master Idea-Haver and Bestower of Cases.
I understand your point of view here. But the part that concerns me is if this actually happens. Say you get lynched and come up civ. And then say Epig takes the heat for your death and gets lynched on Day 7, then turns up civ. Wouldn't that defeat the entire point of this argument?
If you really are civ, then I implore you to try and save yourself. Because if you are, and we mislynch again the following day, then the game probably IS over. And I want to do anything to keep that from happening right now.
I tagged the wrong bit.Epignosis wrote:That's not true and now you're making a mockery of yourself.Russtifinko wrote:And I do agree with the last statement to an extent. Especially if we dealt with early inactive baddies. Because if we have players who are simply following his lead, then it gives the baddies an avenue to follow for sure.
That's not true and now you're making a mockery of yourself.Russtifinko wrote:Also, if I got replaced, Epi would just insist that any role that got replaced twice is even MORE likely to be bad and that poor schmo would take 5 instant votes.
BDH has expressed suspicion of you despite my opinion. That means something to me. You need to convince you are not the way to go.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Okay. Nevermind with my linki part then.
We'll that's the trick, isn't it...IF I received any info or Intel, I couldn't says so as it would be in violation of the rules. As it stands, I received NO INFO WHATSOEVER on you...of this were a 5 question pop quiz, I got ZERO. And that's why I'm concerned...and that's why I think your role has secrets. And your avoidance, while neither confirming nor denying the claimed role secrets does not instill confidence in my of your civiness. I think I have to vote you this round...birdwithteeth11 wrote:What makes you think my role has secrets? I'd prefer to hear your thought process on this, because right now there's NOTHING I can say to any of this.BigDamnHero wrote:Epignosis wrote:If you want to go in that direction, I will support you. I went through (half of) bwt and gave my opinion, but if you feel differently, I'm willing to back you up.
Plus it'd be a relief for someone else to get shit if you're wrong.
FUck it...I'm just throwin' it out there: I have a STRONG indication that BWT is a role with secrets attached to him...it's the ONLY explaination I can come up with. That leaves me to believe thag if he's not civ, then he's a crooked cop or Despereaux (who may or may not be able to assist the civs). The problem is all the damn secrets and we don't know what we don't know...
I mean, if you really do think I'm bad, I'd at least prefer to hear why before you stick a vote on me.
So because you know something you can't publicly reveal, you have to vote for me?BigDamnHero wrote:We'll that's the trick, isn't it...IF I received any info or Intel, I couldn't says so as it would be in violation of the rules. As it stands, I received NO INFO WHATSOEVER on you...of this were a 5 question pop quiz, I got ZERO. And that's why I'm concerned...and that's why I think your role has secrets. And your avoidance, while neither confirming nor denying the claimed role secrets does not instill confidence in my of your civiness. I think I have to vote you this round...birdwithteeth11 wrote:What makes you think my role has secrets? I'd prefer to hear your thought process on this, because right now there's NOTHING I can say to any of this.BigDamnHero wrote:Epignosis wrote:If you want to go in that direction, I will support you. I went through (half of) bwt and gave my opinion, but if you feel differently, I'm willing to back you up.
Plus it'd be a relief for someone else to get shit if you're wrong.
FUck it...I'm just throwin' it out there: I have a STRONG indication that BWT is a role with secrets attached to him...it's the ONLY explaination I can come up with. That leaves me to believe thag if he's not civ, then he's a crooked cop or Despereaux (who may or may not be able to assist the civs). The problem is all the damn secrets and we don't know what we don't know...
I mean, if you really do think I'm bad, I'd at least prefer to hear why before you stick a vote on me.
How though? He planted a vote on me and it's entirely based off of something he can't publicly reveal in-thread.Epignosis wrote:BDH has expressed suspicion of you despite my opinion. That means something to me. You need to convince you are not the way to go.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Okay. Nevermind with my linki part then.
Sorry, meant to use sarcastic orange and forgot. Please forgive me, Divine Leader!Epignosis wrote:I tagged the wrong bit.Epignosis wrote:That's not true and now you're making a mockery of yourself.Russtifinko wrote:And I do agree with the last statement to an extent. Especially if we dealt with early inactive baddies. Because if we have players who are simply following his lead, then it gives the baddies an avenue to follow for sure.
That's not true and now you're making a mockery of yourself.Russtifinko wrote:Also, if I got replaced, Epi would just insist that any role that got replaced twice is even MORE likely to be bad and that poor schmo would take 5 instant votes.
You're right...there's nothing you really can say...not do I expect you to...but at the same time, I'm not taking up a call to arms and rallying everybody to vote the same way either.birdwithteeth11 wrote: So because you know something you can't publicly reveal, you have to vote for me?
I mean, I'm not really sure what I can say to defend myself against that. And there's nothing in-thread that you can point to that has made you come to this conclusion?
So, you're a type of role who can check for a certain type of information, but when you tried to check BWT, you got no result back?BigDamnHero wrote:We'll that's the trick, isn't it...IF I received any info or Intel, I couldn't says so as it would be in violation of the rules. As it stands, I received NO INFO WHATSOEVER on you...of this were a 5 question pop quiz, I got ZERO. And that's why I'm concerned...and that's why I think your role has secrets. And your avoidance, while neither confirming nor denying the claimed role secrets does not instill confidence in my of your civiness. I think I have to vote you this round...birdwithteeth11 wrote:What makes you think my role has secrets? I'd prefer to hear your thought process on this, because right now there's NOTHING I can say to any of this.BigDamnHero wrote:Epignosis wrote:If you want to go in that direction, I will support you. I went through (half of) bwt and gave my opinion, but if you feel differently, I'm willing to back you up.
Plus it'd be a relief for someone else to get shit if you're wrong.
FUck it...I'm just throwin' it out there: I have a STRONG indication that BWT is a role with secrets attached to him...it's the ONLY explaination I can come up with. That leaves me to believe thag if he's not civ, then he's a crooked cop or Despereaux (who may or may not be able to assist the civs). The problem is all the damn secrets and we don't know what we don't know...
I mean, if you really do think I'm bad, I'd at least prefer to hear why before you stick a vote on me.
She just said you wouldn't, though, right?birdwithteeth11 wrote:I will comment on what has happened. But I am PMing the hostess first to make sure I don't create any further rule violations by what I say.
Correct. But I just want to cross my T's and dot my I's so I know all is good.Russtifinko wrote:She just said you wouldn't, though, right?birdwithteeth11 wrote:I will comment on what has happened. But I am PMing the hostess first to make sure I don't create any further rule violations by what I say.
I guess....Scotty wrote:Also @RUSS
you can't vote yourself, Chico. Might as well vote somewhere else instead of inviting a lynch. I know you seem to have given up, but the civs have not lost yet.
I hate to say "This" when I've been attacking people for doing the same, but I gotta do it here.Russtifinko wrote:I guess....Scotty wrote:Also @RUSS
you can't vote yourself, Chico. Might as well vote somewhere else instead of inviting a lynch. I know you seem to have given up, but the civs have not lost yet.
Voting Elo for now. I don't see anything separating her and BWT if we disregard the info dump, and maybe the votes should reflect that? I also don't have any reason to vote Scotty.
Not my first choice.Epignosis wrote:So Eloh is going out after all that.
On the basis of what? I trusted BDH based on what he said about bwt. His vote for timmer is a last minute second placed vote.Scotty wrote:Not my first choice.Epignosis wrote:So Eloh is going out after all that.
Who would you rather vote for? Would you follow BDH down timmer highway?
Of course it's a save attempt. IM TRYING TO SAVE MYSELFDFaraday wrote:I don't see the case on Eloh, and that it came out of nowhere makes me think it's a save attempt. Voting Scotty.
Epignosis wrote:I'm not moving. Let this decide who dies.
