MAD MAX: GAME OVER

[Quin]

Permission to go to WIFOM land, sir!

If that's where you must go to answer my request, permission granted.

I don't mean to be a bossy ass y'all. It's just that I'm mister confirmed townie and I have the advantage of being able to focus solely on figuring out the game instead of convincing people I'm not Satan like I would be in most Day 9s.

Dom
I voted Dom the last three days. I constructed a case of my own that people did not disagree with and I kept pushing it and letting it evolve even when it had the most momentum. He has literally not left my sights, which I guess you picked up on in your earlier analysis of my votes.

Epignosis
I do not avoid my teammates when I'm bad. I try my best to have elaborate conversations with as many people and topics as I can so that my interactions with my teammates are as difficult to identify as possible. I think I am a smart baddie.

I'm not talking about Sloonei, at least until I've looked at his interactions to see whether he actually could be Dom's teammate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quin and I are not baddie teammates. You'll just have to take my word for it.

I'm not talking about Sloonei, at least until I've looked at his interactions to see whether he actually could be Dom's teammate.

*chews fingernails off*

[Quin]

linki: We lynch Dom. That absolutely has to happen.

Why is Dom an absolute must lynch?

Because he is the only person I have a clear-cut case for. The strength of my case against Epi hinges on Dom's flip, otherwise it's just a PoE thing. I don't even have a scum case for Sloonei or LoRab right now.

[Quin]

Quin's confidence about Dom is not sitting well with me right now. He is encouraging me to be skeptical and open-minded about everyone right now, and that's a good townie mindset, but I'd expect him, and other townies, to be approaching a Day 9 lylo with the same level of skepticism. But Quin has put all his eggs in the Dom basket and I do not like it. I'm not sure I town read Dom or scum read Quin, but this is a thing that's happening right now and I don't like it.

I am trying to earn your Dom vote. Dom will not talk to me about my case. I have repeatedly questioned him and he will not do it. There is no feasible reason why I would consider not reading him as bad right now. I have never been this confident about a read before, but I know that it's being met with doubt.

linki: We lynch Dom. That absolutely has to happen.

Earn my vote by convincing me. I know you've already said plenty about him, so feel free to just point me in the direction of your highlight posts.

I'll set tonight aside to hammer out the best possible case I can.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think you both look town. You just look town. I already said why I feel good about LoRab and I really haven't been inspired to reassess that. INH is never on Glorfindel's team.

So... I feel like this is finished. I'll see what Epi has to say tomorrow, and I'm always willing to hear Dom out too. That's where I'm at though.

[Sloonei]

I'm too paranoid to dismiss Quin or LoRab right now. But I'm also running on no sleep and still recovering from an election that happened, so I don't think I'm in prime mafia playing condition. I won't be doing any extensive digging tonight, but I can answer questions to the best of my abilities/energy level.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Best available indicator that each of you is town:

insertnamehere -- He survived a lynch which nobody was likely to stop, and he is confirmed not to be Cundalini. -- Very strong

LoRab -- She looked sterling, perhaps better than anyone, in her interactions with both Glorfindel and Elohcin. -- Strong

Sloonei -- He has nearly 700 posts, and he makes an awkward team mate of each other candidate. -- Good

Quin -- One of his first moves after rejoining the game was to go after Elohcin. -- Decent

Epignosis -- Zebra was a huge contributor and sounded genuine. -- Questionable

Dom -- At moments he has looked earnest and invested. -- Questionable

[Epignosis]

Epignosis -- Zebra was a huge contributor and sounded genuine. -- Questionable

"The best I've got for Epignosis is the person he replaced."

Sounds about right.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis -- Zebra was a huge contributor and sounded genuine. -- Questionable

"The best I've got for Epignosis is the person he replaced."

Sounds about right.

Yep.

Is there anything you've done that you feel warrants more credit?

[Epignosis]

Epignosis -- Zebra was a huge contributor and sounded genuine. -- Questionable

"The best I've got for Epignosis is the person he replaced."

Sounds about right.

Yep.

Is there anything you've done that you feel warrants more credit?

Not really.

[Epignosis]

Hey 3J.

Spoiler: show

I'm not bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll take your testimony into consideration, thank you.

[Epignosis]

I'll take your testimony into consideration, thank you.

[Quin]

Here's my Dom case. It's a mess written over the course of a night while I watch my shows, but hopefully you can keep up.

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Epi, who you gonna vote for now that Mr Mac is dead?

Quin, who's your supposed 3 person scum team?

Glorfindel, Dom and Wilgy.

Mac didn't like the first two very much. I'm partial to your argument against Wilgy. They all need ISO's.

What's yours?

Dom began his 'Quin lied' thing here. The lie entails that I knowingly tried to go for an easy lynch against him based on the incorrect fact that Mac scum-read him. It's a case that could have been and was easily proven incorrect within a very small time-frame, and even if it weren't, it would hardly have been the thing that 'set him up' for the lynch, which is something he painted earlier here:

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Quin have you seen me lynched before?

I don't remember if I have.

So you had no idea how hard I fight back for survival.
You tried to set me up for an easy lynch because you saw me as low hanging fruit.

Answer my question. What is the advantage of lying that Mac scum-read you when I was able to be proven wrong so easily?

You didn't think I'd prove you wrong.
You thought I'd be an easy lynch.
Again, I've spelled this out. Just because you choose to ignore my pertinent posts doesn't mean that I didn't make them.

He's twisted a mistake into a case that assumes that I (and by extension, anyone) would be so sloppy a baddie that I would make up patently false cases just because I don't know the track record of the person I was 'setting up'. He also tried to push the case to suggest that I'm suspicious because I didn't research reads made in a GTH scenario:

Spoiler: show

Quin lied about me tho

Is there no possible reality apart from "Quin deliberately promoted falsehoods about me"?

i think he could have just not researched it at all bc he thought it'd be an easy lynch

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I questioned Dom about the contradiction that he saw within Sloonei's decision to withhold more scum-reads than he had. He responded by flinging poop at both me and Sloonei for performing a coordinated attack on him when neither of us had expressed suspicion for his thoughts on the matter.

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I do not understand why Dom is connecting open-mindedness with lack of scum hunting.

Because he is literally contradicting himself?!?!?!


No one is listening to me at all. If you're really interested in hearing me out, you'd read my damn posts and NOT suddenly decide it's lynch Dom day and ignore half the things I've said. How many people keep saying they're going to "give me a read"? I've yet to see one ISO.

Please show me the contradiction.

1) you never answered my question
2) you did not vote for Glorfindel

I do not understand why Dom is connecting open-mindedness with lack of scum hunting.

Because he is literally contradicting himself?!?!?!

Citation needed.

^


This is all so blatantly coordinated.

In hindsight, this dialogue is suspicious given that Glorfindel was bad. I can interpret this dialogue as though Dom was trying to get Sloonei to give more names so that he could push against someone who wasn't his teammate.

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I also noted a trend in Dom's posts in that he would lash out when:

1) He was pressed for ill-explained answers
2) He received answers to questions that he didn't like

Occurences of that happening are in this post

His only response to this was to discredit it by suggesting that his dialogue with LoRab was 'not comparable', even though the themes were identical:

Spoiler: show

Here's that ISO Dom was itching for. Every occurrence of one of the two codes I mentioned earlier in his posts:
<<SNIP FOR BREVITY>>

I voted for Dom. I would like him to talk about his case against me.

I don't really think the LoRab case is comparable in any fashion.

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Other not-really-part-of-the-major-case-against-him-but-are-still-of-note include:

This post is suspicious on its own, for the reasons I've underlined.

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I do not suspect Elohcin.

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Sorry folks, I forgot this game had started!
Glorf, I hope your mum feels better soon.

Sorry to hear about your mom, Glorfindel. Wishing the best!

I'll hop on the MacDougall policy lynch. Why not?

Let's start with "why". What's the policy behind your vote to lynch Mac?

Shits and giggles.

You are bad.

Reason?

You have no logical or rational inner gameplay personality here. You are doing what you believe will get people to stop suspecting you, not what you think will catch baddies.

Eh? I don't think we're seeing eye to eye here. I was merely expressing agreement that it seemed like you were trying to generate content.

...

Yes, that's the hypothesis. Based on the implication that all I'd need to do to hunt Mac is just that, given a good history of "reading him well". But that implication is false.

So how can you merely express agreement at something not backed up by its logic?

Rico, this isn't some kind of in-depth investigation. You were correct about Mac in the most recent game you two played together. You seemed to be, to me anyway, inevitably fixating on him to an unhealthy degree. It appeared very possible to me that you were generating content for the sake of it. I now believe that explanation to be less likely given your hyperfocus on this.

This is mafia. I appreciate hard evidence, but I don't need to go back and visit other games to see whether the premise is true or not. I just made a gut assessment on what I thought was happening in the moment.

....who tf is this guy????

I doubt that you are sincerely formulating an opinion based around someone's ability to read someone with a data set of 1 game. This is not logical, rational MP talking.

You're right, it isn't logical, rational MP. I killed him.

Joke MP. Zero logic. Not taking allegations seriously.

going for self preservation here...

We have 24 hours (or had as of the time of your post) in this game. Why self-preservation so early?

Logical MP. Out to take an easy target out.

No coherent personality, doing whatever is most expedient in the moment.

a2thezebra
Dom
MacDougall
LoRab
Neil Hartley
Ricochet
Sloonei
S~V~S

birdwithteeth11
DrWilgy
sanmateo

Elohcin
Epignosis
Glorfindel
insertnamehere
motel room
Scotty
sprityo

Straight out of his Romance Playbook-- buddying up to me.

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jjj i can see your perspective, but you're wrong. i'm civ.

Why did you have so little to say about Glorf on Days 1-5?

idk tbh
Honestly, because I found nothing of note. It's not a good answer, or a helpful one, but it's a true one.

[Quin]

He's also been avoiding discussing really any of this in a discourse that can actually be defined as that. I want to be careful not to paint him taking the backseat in the thread as suspicious, because he seems to be going through some stuff, but I am keeping it in mind.

[Dom]

It is interesting that we aren't being told who the target was this time. My first thought is that G-man simply doesn't want to clear anyone at this stage in the game. Two confirmed townies walking around at lylo makes this a tough job for the baddies.

I find it more odd that we were explicitly told that the target was protected. Not that the kill failed, but they were protected.

Quin: I want you to show me why I shouldn't consider you a team mate of Sloonei, Dom, or Epignosis.

Sloonei: I want you to show me why I shouldn't consider you a team mate of Quin, Dom, or Epignosis.

Dom: I want you to show me why I shouldn't consider you a team mate of Sloonei, Quin, or Epignosis.

Sloonei - Day 6
Quin - Day 6
Epignosis - I would like to lynch him.

Quin, what is substantial about this

You tell me. That post had nothing to do with my read.

Right. Only my posts need be substantial.

Quin's confidence about Dom is not sitting well with me right now. He is encouraging me to be skeptical and open-minded about everyone right now, and that's a good townie mindset, but I'd expect him, and other townies, to be approaching a Day 9 lylo with the same level of skepticism. But Quin has put all his eggs in the Dom basket and I do not like it. I'm not sure I town read Dom or scum read Quin, but this is a thing that's happening right now and I don't like it.

I am trying to earn your Dom vote. Dom will not talk to me about my case. I have repeatedly questioned him and he will not do it. There is no feasible reason why I would consider not reading him as bad right now. I have never been this confident about a read before, but I know that it's being met with doubt.

linki: We lynch Dom. That absolutely has to happen.

Dom has responded, you just don't like his responses. Dom has asked you to repost questions-- you do not comply. You seem to be uninterested in a dialogue with Dom and more interested with lynching Dom.

[Dom]

Here's my Dom case. It's a mess written over the course of a night while I watch my shows, but hopefully you can keep up.

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Epi, who you gonna vote for now that Mr Mac is dead?

Quin, who's your supposed 3 person scum team?

Glorfindel, Dom and Wilgy.

Mac didn't like the first two very much. I'm partial to your argument against Wilgy. They all need ISO's.

What's yours?

Dom began his 'Quin lied' thing here. The lie entails that I knowingly tried to go for an easy lynch against him based on the incorrect fact that Mac scum-read him. It's a case that could have been and was easily proven incorrect within a very small time-frame, and even if it weren't, it would hardly have been the thing that 'set him up' for the lynch, which is something he painted earlier here:

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Quin have you seen me lynched before?

I don't remember if I have.

So you had no idea how hard I fight back for survival.
You tried to set me up for an easy lynch because you saw me as low hanging fruit.

Answer my question. What is the advantage of lying that Mac scum-read you when I was able to be proven wrong so easily?

You didn't think I'd prove you wrong.
You thought I'd be an easy lynch.
Again, I've spelled this out. Just because you choose to ignore my pertinent posts doesn't mean that I didn't make them.

He's twisted a mistake into a case that assumes that I (and by extension, anyone) would be so sloppy a baddie that I would make up patently false cases just because I don't know the track record of the person I was 'setting up'. He also tried to push the case to suggest that I'm suspicious because I didn't research reads made in a GTH scenario:

Spoiler: show

Quin lied about me tho

Is there no possible reality apart from "Quin deliberately promoted falsehoods about me"?

i think he could have just not researched it at all bc he thought it'd be an easy lynch

We came to a conclusion on that. I still think you either:
A) didn't care about the truth
B) explicitly lied
I don't know what to tell you. it wasn't really GTH. GTH-- you don't normally supply reasons for your reads.

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I questioned Dom about the contradiction that he saw within Sloonei's decision to withhold more scum-reads than he had. He responded by flinging poop at both me and Sloonei for performing a coordinated attack on him when neither of us had expressed suspicion for his thoughts on the matter.

Spoiler: show

I do not understand why Dom is connecting open-mindedness with lack of scum hunting.

Because he is literally contradicting himself?!?!?!


No one is listening to me at all. If you're really interested in hearing me out, you'd read my damn posts and NOT suddenly decide it's lynch Dom day and ignore half the things I've said. How many people keep saying they're going to "give me a read"? I've yet to see one ISO.

Please show me the contradiction.

1) you never answered my question
2) you did not vote for Glorfindel

I do not understand why Dom is connecting open-mindedness with lack of scum hunting.

Because he is literally contradicting himself?!?!?!

Citation needed.

^


This is all so blatantly coordinated.

In hindsight, this dialogue is suspicious given that Glorfindel was bad. I can interpret this dialogue as though Dom was trying to get Sloonei to give more names so that he could push against someone who wasn't his teammate.

That was not my intention. i thought Sloonei was pushing Epi for more reads simply because he wanted to set Epi up for a lynch. At the time, I was not suspicious of him yet.
Now, I felt very ganged up on this whole night. Throughout DAy 6, i felt very attacked and that no one was trying to listen to me. That is frustrating. I made some lousy conclusions based on that.

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I also noted a trend in Dom's posts in that he would lash out when:

1) He was pressed for ill-explained answers
2) He received answers to questions that he didn't like

Occurences of that happening are in this post

His only response to this was to discredit it by suggesting that his dialogue with LoRab was 'not comparable', even though the themes were identical:

Spoiler: show

Here's that ISO Dom was itching for. Every occurrence of one of the two codes I mentioned earlier in his posts:
<<SNIP FOR BREVITY>>

I voted for Dom. I would like him to talk about his case against me.

I don't really think the LoRab case is comparable in any fashion.

I don't see the the LoRab case as comparable in any fashion.

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Other not-really-part-of-the-major-case-against-him-but-are-still-of-note include:

This post is suspicious on its own, for the reasons I've underlined.

Spoiler: show

I do not suspect Elohcin.

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Sorry folks, I forgot this game had started!
Glorf, I hope your mum feels better soon.

Sorry to hear about your mom, Glorfindel. Wishing the best!

I'll hop on the MacDougall policy lynch. Why not?

Let's start with "why". What's the policy behind your vote to lynch Mac?

Shits and giggles.

You are bad.

Reason?

You have no logical or rational inner gameplay personality here. You are doing what you believe will get people to stop suspecting you, not what you think will catch baddies.

Eh? I don't think we're seeing eye to eye here. I was merely expressing agreement that it seemed like you were trying to generate content.

...

Yes, that's the hypothesis. Based on the implication that all I'd need to do to hunt Mac is just that, given a good history of "reading him well". But that implication is false.

So how can you merely express agreement at something not backed up by its logic?

Rico, this isn't some kind of in-depth investigation. You were correct about Mac in the most recent game you two played together. You seemed to be, to me anyway, inevitably fixating on him to an unhealthy degree. It appeared very possible to me that you were generating content for the sake of it. I now believe that explanation to be less likely given your hyperfocus on this.

This is mafia. I appreciate hard evidence, but I don't need to go back and visit other games to see whether the premise is true or not. I just made a gut assessment on what I thought was happening in the moment.

....who tf is this guy????

I doubt that you are sincerely formulating an opinion based around someone's ability to read someone with a data set of 1 game. This is not logical, rational MP talking.

You're right, it isn't logical, rational MP. I killed him.

Joke MP. Zero logic. Not taking allegations seriously.

going for self preservation here...

We have 24 hours (or had as of the time of your post) in this game. Why self-preservation so early?

Logical MP. Out to take an easy target out.

No coherent personality, doing whatever is most expedient in the moment.

a2thezebra
Dom
MacDougall
LoRab
Neil Hartley
Ricochet
Sloonei
S~V~S

birdwithteeth11
DrWilgy
sanmateo

Elohcin
Epignosis
Glorfindel
insertnamehere
motel room
Scotty
sprityo

Straight out of his Romance Playbook-- buddying up to me.

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jjj i can see your perspective, but you're wrong. i'm civ.

Why did you have so little to say about Glorf on Days 1-5?

idk tbh
Honestly, because I found nothing of note. It's not a good answer, or a helpful one, but it's a true one.

I've been wrong. A lot.
I am sorry for it, but I'm not bad for it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis - I would like to lynch him.

This doesn't mean much to me. Is there anything else you can think of? Also consider Zebra.

[Sloonei]

Dom's defense is uninspiring.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dom's defense is uninspiring.

What do you feel it lacks?

[Sloonei]

Dom's defense is uninspiring.

What do you feel it lacks?

Conviction. I read everything he says as a figurative shrug. And he and Quin are continuing to insist that the other is refusing to engage in some sort of a dialogue about some aspect of their respective suspicions. I've seen more effort out of Quin to be open and receptive to that sort of thing. I am still paranoid about the low hanging fruit possibility, but I'm also beginning to wonder if Dom is intentionally cultivating that by coming off so disengaged. For all my back and forth paranoia, he seems most likely to get my vote right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What is preventing you from voting Epignosis or LoRab?

[Sloonei]

What is preventing you from voting Epignosis or LoRab?

Like I've said the biggest town mark I give to Epi is his big theory about Eloh not having active BTSC partners. This lead me to Glorfindel and it might work in theory for either Dom or Quin (or LoRab). He is still a suspect himself, but that's a thing I give him credit for.

LoRab has been a town read all game long with the exception of that one little hiccup on Day 3. I owe her a closer look here on Day 9 though.

[Dom]

Epignosis - I would like to lynch him.

This doesn't mean much to me. Is there anything else you can think of? Also consider Zebra.

I got on well with Zebra if I remember correctly. I wasn't convinced Zebra was civ or bad, but leaned civ.

Here's the thing: I know I look bad. It's hard to defend against evidence that does (incorrectly) implicate you.

Dom's defense is uninspiring.

What do you feel it lacks?

Conviction. I read everything he says as a figurative shrug. And he and Quin are continuing to insist that the other is refusing to engage in some sort of a dialogue about some aspect of their respective suspicions. I've seen more effort out of Quin to be open and receptive to that sort of thing. I am still paranoid about the low hanging fruit possibility, but I'm also beginning to wonder if Dom is intentionally cultivating that by coming off so disengaged. For all my back and forth paranoia, he seems most likely to get my vote right now.

Let me clarify: I think Quin is willing to engage with me, but isn't willing to LISTEN to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let's return to this:

Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.

We've talked plenty about what this means for Glorfindel, but less about what it means for Quin. The wording of the sentence is awkward, but I read it this way:

Quin replaced a non-participant before Glorfindel was replaced. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.

Obviously she misspoke about Glorfindel being replaced, but that doesn't mean anything to me with regard to Quin. She specifically attempted to make Quin look worse than her team mate because of the order in which they were replaced.

I don't think this is an angle she is likely to take if they're both her team mate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let me clarify: I think Quin is willing to engage with me, but isn't willing to LISTEN to me.

Would you say you've shown a willingness to listen to Quin?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am going to have a lot less time tomorrow than I do today. I hope we can move this discussion more than we have so far this Day 9.

[LoRab]

I could get behind an Epi vote. His posts are consistent with how I could see him playing as a baddie. And looking back on Zebra, I could see that Zebra was bad, as well. Also, numbers.

Putting my vote there for the moment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was looking back at Zebra's posts and finding some renewed suspicion from our Day 2 argument. I called her out for taking the easy Rico bait, and she insisted I wasn't being genuine in that -- but she didn't actually call me suspicious until I'd noticed the discrepancy: calling me disingenuous without calling me a suspect.

[Epignosis]

I'm fine being lynched. I really have no time to go through people's posts and say this or that about them. I was just able to log in now and I won't be home for most of tomorrow. I see I have three votes already.

[Epignosis]

I could get behind an Epi vote. His posts are consistent with how I could see him playing as a baddie. And looking back on Zebra, I could see that Zebra was bad, as well. Also, numbers.

Putting my vote there for the moment.

I'm not sure why my posts are consistent with how you think I play when I'm bad...I'm hardly playing.

Also numbers? The book of the Bible? Is there some verse about smiting me that I missed?

[Epignosis]

I get 3J's vote for me. I've been useless and apparently I fit his teammate model the best (although I'd like to think I'm a good enough bad guy to be teammate compatible with anyone at any time ).

Dom voted for me...why, I cannot tell. He didn't offer any clarifying reason when asked. I'll probably vote him back.

Lorab voted for me but didn't give any specifics, so that's not helpful.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The game is probably over if this lynch goes awry.

[Epignosis]

CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

Go on.

"Let's lynch someone who isn't my teammate!"

Who is my teammate Dom?

Answer that.

I haven't thought it through, but I don't like this post.

Has Dom thought it through yet, or does he still not like my post?

[Quin]

@Dom - I tried to answer to your actual post but the post format just wasn't having it. Hopefully this will do.

Case one: You can call it what you will, the fact is that I made an on-the-spot read based on what information I could recall at that moment.

Case two: I could understand you drawing conclusions out of frustration if it weren't for the fact that neither I or Sloonei had actually suspected you. We wanted a dialogue. 'Antsy' would be a better way to describe your actions than 'frustrated', and they hold different connotations.

Case three: Why is the LoRab case not comparable? The themes are the same.

[LoRab]

I could get behind an Epi vote. His posts are consistent with how I could see him playing as a baddie. And looking back on Zebra, I could see that Zebra was bad, as well. Also, numbers.

Putting my vote there for the moment.

I'm not sure why my posts are consistent with how you think I play when I'm bad...I'm hardly playing.

Also numbers? The book of the Bible? Is there some verse about smiting me that I missed?

Well, that you're not much playing is part of it.

And I'm so tempted to dig up a verse that makes a relavent point, but I'm way too tired. But let's just say something about a census, and knowing who is in which group, and there only being so many people who can be civies, and so many people who have to be baddies, and it being more likely that you're bad. Thus saith The G-Man.

[Epignosis]

I could get behind an Epi vote. His posts are consistent with how I could see him playing as a baddie. And looking back on Zebra, I could see that Zebra was bad, as well. Also, numbers.

Putting my vote there for the moment.

I'm not sure why my posts are consistent with how you think I play when I'm bad...I'm hardly playing.

Also numbers? The book of the Bible? Is there some verse about smiting me that I missed?

Well, that you're not much playing is part of it.

And I'm so tempted to dig up a verse that makes a relavent point, but I'm way too tired. But let's just say something about a census, and knowing who is in which group, and there only being so many people who can be civies, and so many people who have to be baddies, and it being more likely that you're bad. Thus saith The G-Man.

That's fine. I can live with that.

[Dom]

Let me clarify: I think Quin is willing to engage with me, but isn't willing to LISTEN to me.

Would you say you've shown a willingness to listen to Quin?

Lately-- yes.

I get 3J's vote for me. I've been useless and apparently I fit his teammate model the best (although I'd like to think I'm a good enough bad guy to be teammate compatible with anyone at any time ).

Dom voted for me...why, I cannot tell. He didn't offer any clarifying reason when asked. I'll probably vote him back.

Lorab voted for me but didn't give any specifics, so that's not helpful.

Because you don't care who dies. Only thatt it hasn't been your teammate.s
You continually suggested we don't lynch the confirmed baddie in a LyLo situation.

CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

Go on.

"Let's lynch someone who isn't my teammate!"

Who is my teammate Dom?

Answer that.

I haven't thought it through, but I don't like this post.

Has Dom thought it through yet, or does he still not like my post?

Not a fucking clue.
Don't need to knwo that to know you're bad though? This is fallacious at best.

@Dom - I tried to answer to your actual post but the post format just wasn't having it. Hopefully this will do.

Case one: You can call it what you will, the fact is that I made an on-the-spot read based on what information I could recall at that moment.

Case two: I could understand you drawing conclusions out of frustration if it weren't for the fact that neither I or Sloonei had actually suspected you. We wanted a dialogue. 'Antsy' would be a better way to describe your actions than 'frustrated', and they hold different connotations.

Case three: Why is the LoRab case not comparable? The themes are the same.

1) I think this is just a misunderstanding at this point.

2) See that's not how I read it at all. I read it as you both trying to gun me down out of no where.

3) I don't think they are. I felt like I was being hanged in the public square wtih you two. LoRab and I were just shooting the breeze.

[Epignosis]

I voted 3J. At least there won't be a tie.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis is clearly bad, so let's find that team mate.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis is clearly bad, so let's find that team mate.

[Epignosis]

Quick question Jay- if I'm bad, does that mean I can stop posting?

Thank God.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quick question Jay- if I'm bad, does that mean I can stop posting?

Thank God.

I'm not your boss. If you'd like to divulge your team mate's identity though that'd be worth a post.

Good game, Mr. Gnosis.

[Epignosis]

Quick question Jay- if I'm bad, does that mean I can stop posting?

Thank God.

I'm not your boss. If you'd like to divulge your team mate's identity though that'd be worth a post.

Good game, Mr. Gnosis.

Thanks.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Based on my prior work, I think the likelihood of each other player being the last baddie can be ranked as follows (most to least likely):

Dom
Quin
Sloonei
LoRab
INH

There are four townies in that pile. If y'all put in the work, we'll win this game. And it'd be a heck of a comeback. Let's give it our best shot, eh? Don't let the last baddie outplay us.

[Epignosis]

Based on my prior work, I think the likelihood of each other player being the last baddie can be ranked as follows (most to least likely):

Dom
Quin
Sloonei
LoRab
INH

There are four townies in that pile. If y'all put in the work, we'll win this game. And it'd be a heck of a comeback. Let's give it our best shot, eh? Don't let the last baddie outplay us.

Oh, he will.

Or should I say she?

I don't know.

[Dom]

idk how else to tell you i'm not bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

idk how else to tell you i'm not bad.

A good first step would be to stop trying. Defending yourself is less useful than finding the last baddie. That should be our only concern.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't struggle to see a reality where Quin is the last baddie and over the last two day phases he's been trying to force the win by mislynching Dom. I'm open to talking about that.

[Quin]

I don't struggle to see a reality where Quin is the last baddie and over the last two day phases he's been trying to force the win by mislynching Dom. I'm open to talking about that.

I have been voting for Dom since before we were in Lylo, so that's not it.