I actually agree with you (except the disingenuous part): I wasn't paying attention to it earlier and I am only seeing it now on a re-read.thellama73 wrote:Also, fishface is being disingenuous. He says I am not adding any content, which is blatantly fake news. I am giving reads all over the place.
You just gave me a flashback to Phenon Day 1. Was it Silver Lantern who they said was characteristically defensive?MovingPictures07 wrote:Noted, thanks. That all appears sensible.Long Con wrote:1. This would be the reaction that tickled my suspiciometer. Defensive, with a thin slice of OMGUS at the end.MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey, LC, a few questions for you:Long Con wrote:Anyway, as I said, voting Silver Lantern. I didn't particularly like his response to my comments on the S~V~S thing.
I also am suspicious of Dizzy and Llama, for their "kill MP day 1" "jokes". Just reminds me too much of Macdougall in the Champs game, and the "joke" that fully meta-caught him.
1) I just finished catching up, but admittedly it was a quick catchup, and I apologize but I must have missed your discussion of Silver Lantern's post in question here. Can you elaborate on this or point me towards your original post and sell me on this?
2) Do you have any town reads; if so, who are they and why?
3) Do you think Dizzy and Llama have more incentive to make those joke posts as mafia than town?
2. I don't think so. I think I'm more likely to assign town reads with more meat in the game - my initial stance is a slight suspicion of everyone. Everyone wants to looks town, I'm not going to believe it from a day of participation (or lack thereof).
3. I don't know about incentive, I'm just saying that the joke-style rings a bell, and it was a baddie tell from Macdougall. Of course they have different metas, but it could still be a baddie tell for them. Like when I suspected Quin for using the same excuse as I did before - he called an earlier vote a "pressure vote" as explanation, as I had done (as a baddie) in the game before. Quin was also bad. Different meta, same tell.
Not sure how to read you or SL still though. I'm not convinced that SL's response is more characteristic of defensive baddie than defensive townie. Help me out.
Actually, neither, but I did remember in the meantime. You're that defensive guy!Silver Lantern wrote:You've already played a game with me, so either you didn't read anything I posted that game, or you're willfully ignoring my propensity and reputation for volatility. Either way, that's scummy behavior IMO.Long Con wrote:Anyway, as I said, voting Silver Lantern. I didn't particularly like his response to my comments on the S~V~S thing.
I also am suspicious of Dizzy and Llama, for their "kill MP day 1" "jokes". Just reminds me too much of Macdougall in the Champs game, and the "joke" that fully meta-caught him.
MovingPictures07gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
I am actually reading these meta lists, which is way more than I usually do...Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Yeah but you're not doing much, which is scummy.Silver Lantern wrote:You've already played a game with me, so either you didn't read anything I posted that game, or you're willfully ignoring my propensity and reputation for volatility. Either way, that's scummy behavior IMO.Long Con wrote:Anyway, as I said, voting Silver Lantern. I didn't particularly like his response to my comments on the S~V~S thing.
I also am suspicious of Dizzy and Llama, for their "kill MP day 1" "jokes". Just reminds me too much of Macdougall in the Champs game, and the "joke" that fully meta-caught him.
Something something. Broken clocks.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
I read this as cozying. I think mafia-JoH posts like this, not town JoH. On the other hand you are also acting a little ambassador-ish. All the nice stuff was to syndicate.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Fuuuuuuuu my post! Let's see if I can remember everything.
Fluffy stuff:
@GFish
Bob is better than you? No comment.
@Dizzy
I like you but you ain't the last unicorn.
@MP
You could have lost us the Phenom game by not trying. Instead, you put forth a heroic effort (considering how late you replaced in) and helped get the town a win. I call that super clutch.
@LC
Love the poem.
Even criticizing Nifty, you are agreeing with him.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Non fluff:
I dislike Nifty's vote on Llama, especially achknowedging that it could be natural non alignment indicative suspicious posting. I agree with most of his meta and reasoning, though. Needs an asterisk next to his gut evaluation. *Does not apply to Jack
@Dizzy
But seriously, why MP?
Town reading MP. Won't vote for him today.
@MP
Two reasons for my big meta post. Firstly, to reduce culture clash. Secondly, to get people talking, specifically about each other. We sleep through day one too often on the Realms. Sometimes, asking for reads can be like pulling teeth. Talking about meta is my way to cut through that early on when there's nothing much in game to talk about yet.
That sounds more like vindictiveness than actual gut read.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@GFish
Do I cozy as mafia? *Eyebrow*
Silver sure as hell does but I don't think that's my MO.
Strongly leaning towards voting GFish right now.
I have no clue what this means. W/D usually means washer and dryer. I haven't had much interaction with either Dizzy or Llama.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Dizzy/GFish not w/w. Llama/GFish not w/w. Llama/Nifty not w/w.
I tend to read walking back as townish unless there is a 'caught' feeling about it. Changing mind while nothing is at stake is a town move. Scum tends to double-down.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Town reading LC. I'm sure I'll scum read him on day three and then on day five, I'll tell you his real alignment if we're both alive. Disagree with him on Silver. Null read Silver.
Post MP walking back from GFish, I town read him less.
Meh, like I said, her response was rather satisfying, so I'm sure there was nothing there anyway.Long Con wrote: Actually, neither, but I did remember in the meantime. You're that defensive guy!
And sorry if I fubar'ed your S~V~S interrogation. Not the first time, and won't be the last, that I insert myself into such a conversation.
gfishfunk wrote: Silver Lantern - The only thing that needs to be said: A bull on fire in a flammable china shop.
Best compliment I've had! Not what I'm going for in this game, though.MovingPictures07 wrote:Last minute caveat: I do need to re-assess gfish. Part of me still really feels his suspicion of me is forced, especially because baddies have more to fear by being inconsistent and reassessing than townies do. Otherwise I like his effort and content generally enough. I stepped back from my previous suspicion completely because I was basing it partly off of a completely wrong assertion as well as I felt we were playstyle clashing. I'm not sure I'd consider lynching him at all, but I want to make clear that I'm having trouble sorting him.
BBL, I'll be on phone for the next few hours
Choices for Most Town Read:gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
Re-reading. This stuck out to me.DrWilgy wrote:nutella wrote:I'd like for the players that have claimed they see someone as civvy to answer this - Would you feel bad if they died tonight?
I'm going to go to sleep now and dream, and when I wake up, everything's gonna be fine. I'll wake up in a better place, in a better time.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Long Con - Crafty, cunning, and one of the most convincing liars you'll ever meet (when he's bad, but occasionally when he's town as well). He can be prone to make observations that come from a unique mindset as well which can get him into similar situations as Dom; it can present him with unwarranted suspicion but also with an intriguing and valuable perspective into other players' behavior. His game is an incredibly mechanical game of deception when he's mafia; I'd say less careful and more 'heart on the sleeve's when he's town. Across both alignments I'd say he may be more apt to put stock into meta assessments than the average Syndicateer, and that he's better at using meta to his advantage when developing reads than most.
I think he might be implying that we should lay off the town reads, lest we put targets on their heads.gfishfunk wrote:Re-reading. This stuck out to me.DrWilgy wrote:nutella wrote:I'd like for the players that have claimed they see someone as civvy to answer this - Would you feel bad if they died tonight?
I'm going to go to sleep now and dream, and when I wake up, everything's gonna be fine. I'll wake up in a better place, in a better time.
What is the town answer? Is anything but 'yes' helpful townish? I don't like this post.
I would hope that I didn't put a target on MP's head by naming him, but I think it would be in poor taste to kill him night 1 anyway, because he was just killed night 1 in the just-ended Currents Mafia.
Mine: Don't tell me what to do.gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
Good post. S-V-S goes onto my light green list but maybe its because we think the same. Off-topic content can be viewed as posturing, and stating lack of knowledge, presence of knowledge would also bother me. I just missed this exchange.S~V~S wrote:I just thought it was a bit of a dichotomy. First you make a post implying knowledge then you deny that you have any knowledge.
It might not be alignment indicative, but it did catch my eye. It caught my eye specifically because I really do know nothing, and your post about which game the roles are from made me nervous I had gotten in over my head. It made you look like someone who knew the subject. So your "I know nothing" post surprised me.
JackofHearts, looks like adam already answered your question.gfishfunk wrote:I don't like this post, which looks like cozying up to Bob.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Bob is by my estimation the best HCRealms player who isn't me. He's great at strategic analysis. I totally expected his first posts to be clarifying rules/tricky roles and especially meta/Syndicate strategy. That is outside his alignment and is step one to playing this game from his (and my) standpoint. You have to understand the whole picture before you can play well. In no universe does Bob ignore this and in no universe is he scared to engage the Syndicate players in this type of discussion.
The only thing that Bob has done that is potentially alignment indicative is voting for Dizzy. Bob, can you explain your vote?
Also, he didn't compliment me.
Also, I'm not as good as bob either.
Choices for Most Town Read:gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
Good post. Slight green. I should update my rainbow.Dyslexicon wrote:<SNIP>
There is a surprising lack of postage, and even more so, votage! And voltage for that matter.
People that has posted and I remember stuff from that gives me any type of feeling is Bob, Jack, Nut, LC and MP.
MP's clearing of Bob is a bit huh. I agree with Nut on that.
I don't feel any particular reason to trust either Bob or MP.
Jack has been helpful, but probably not alignment indicative. GTH town.
Nut and LC I both soul read as town.
I can give reasoning for the Nut read, and it's basically her having a gut read on me as town. Sure, scum can buddy and yadda yadda, but I don't see a reason for her to do this as scum. She just played a game with me when she town read me and I was scum. She could just not comment on it and justify that. So I think the feeling is real.
LC is a tone read.
There are SO many players I don't remember and probably a lot that haven't posted either?
Also, shouldn't MP have had like 50 posts by now?
Would literally lynch anyone but Nut, LC, Jack and Llama right now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have no idea how you always act, so... meh. This argument does precisely squat for me.thellama73 wrote:Also the people who want to lynch me for acting how I always act need to reevaluate their life choices.
I feel good about MovingPicturesgfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
I actually almost wrote "ambassadory" on my reads list on Jack.gfishfunk wrote: *Snip*
I read this as cozying. I think mafia-JoH posts like this, not town JoH. On the other hand you are also acting a little ambassador-ish. All the nice stuff was to syndicate.
*Snip*
ambassador-ish and promoting inter-community gaming. (See, like that with the double speak).
I'll have you know I actually am an official Syndicate/other communities and also new mods ambassador, hence my redness.gfishfunk wrote:Here is a cozying post in my opinion, and I dissect.
I read this as cozying. I think mafia-JoH posts like this, not town JoH. On the other hand you are also acting a little ambassador-ish. All the nice stuff was to syndicate.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Fuuuuuuuu my post! Let's see if I can remember everything.
Fluffy stuff:
@GFish
Bob is better than you? No comment.
@Dizzy
I like you but you ain't the last unicorn.
@MP
You could have lost us the Phenom game by not trying. Instead, you put forth a heroic effort (considering how late you replaced in) and helped get the town a win. I call that super clutch.
@LC
Love the poem.
Even criticizing Nifty, you are agreeing with him.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Non fluff:
I dislike Nifty's vote on Llama, especially achknowedging that it could be natural non alignment indicative suspicious posting. I agree with most of his meta and reasoning, though. Needs an asterisk next to his gut evaluation. *Does not apply to Jack
@Dizzy
But seriously, why MP?
Town reading MP. Won't vote for him today.
@MP
Two reasons for my big meta post. Firstly, to reduce culture clash. Secondly, to get people talking, specifically about each other. We sleep through day one too often on the Realms. Sometimes, asking for reads can be like pulling teeth. Talking about meta is my way to cut through that early on when there's nothing much in game to talk about yet.
Cozying to MP. Town JoH is super suspicious and talks in far, far more double-speak. Then again, it could be ambassador-ish and promoting inter-community gaming. (See, like that with the double speak).
That sounds more like vindictiveness than actual gut read.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@GFish
Do I cozy as mafia? *Eyebrow*
Silver sure as hell does but I don't think that's my MO.
Strongly leaning towards voting GFish right now.
I have no clue what this means. W/D usually means washer and dryer. I haven't had much interaction with either Dizzy or Llama.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Dizzy/GFish not w/w. Llama/GFish not w/w. Llama/Nifty not w/w.
I tend to read walking back as townish unless there is a 'caught' feeling about it. Changing mind while nothing is at stake is a town move. Scum tends to double-down.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Town reading LC. I'm sure I'll scum read him on day three and then on day five, I'll tell you his real alignment if we're both alive. Disagree with him on Silver. Null read Silver.
Post MP walking back from GFish, I town read him less.
Ack, I didn't post any text outside of it. This is my updated reads. I've changed my mind on due to some re-reads.gfishfunk wrote:gfishfunk wrote:Spoiler: show
gfishfunk wrote:Choices for Most Town Read:gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
Silver Lantern - gfishfunk
Long Con - MovingPictures07
MovingPictures07 - DrWilgy
gfishfunk - colonialbob
thellama73 - Don't tell me what to do
People who have yet to respond:
Adam
CaptainNifty
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Epignosis
Fredwood
Immortal_Raven
Jackofhearts2005
nutella
sprityo
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
Heh. I'll mark that in JoH's favor.Adam wrote:I actually almost wrote "ambassadory" on my reads list on Jack.
Just me, I think. And I wouldn't call it different, just abbreviated.gfishfunk wrote:Heh. I'll mark that in JoH's favor.Adam wrote:I actually almost wrote "ambassadory" on my reads list on Jack.
Who is here from the realms with a different name?
Choices for Most Town Read:gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
Reading your latest fucking novel, Mr. King.MovingPictures07 wrote:Where is Epi?
[/quote]gfishfunk wrote:Updated
Choices for Most Town Read:gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
gfishfunk - colonialbob
MovingPictures07 - DrWilgy
Long Con - MovingPictures07
Silver Lantern - gfishfunk
thellama73 - Don't tell me what to do
CaptainNifty - MovingPictures07
Jackofhearts2005 - MovingPictures07
People who have yet to respond:
Adam
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Epignosis
Fredwood
Immortal_Raven
nutella
sprityo
S~V~S
TonyStarkPrime
That is fair. Would you consider yourself a careful player? Funnily enough, the first(ish) game I played here (Phenon) I did something pretty off brand to the site and was a huge controversy because of it. I liked how it ended up though.colonialbob wrote:Like you said, I did let votes fly. But I figured I'd ask about typical behavior here, since I've seen several examples of people getting meta-lynched for behavior that's not universally scummy, but for whatever reason is on that site, and I'd prefer avoiding that for myself. That's true no matter my alignment.
Plurality voting is "person with the most votes at end of day is lynched", either with or without a no-vote option. On the Realms we've typically played with majority voting, where somebody is lynched as soon as they get half+1 votes (ignoring shenanigans) and otherwise there's no lynch. It's a surprisingly different style. I prefer plurality, because IMO it makes voting patterns more meaningful.
Hey. I guess it's like gut read, but mixed with previous experience. So you can't soul read a person you haven't played with before. It's a thing on PerC.MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Dizzy, way to puke some reads out. What does "soul read" mean, like a tone-based read? If so, can you point me to a particular post or posts by nutella and LC that inspired your perspective?
I did point to the particular post of nutella though, pretty much the same as you said, though it was me-centered. I have the idea of being able to read LC on tone, and I don't really want to talk about how/why. Plus, I have questions to him now anyway. It's not a very strong read. This will always be our thing. <3MovingPictures07 wrote:This is becoming our thing now isn't it.Dyslexicon wrote:No, wait, I'm voting MP cause it's always a good idea to kill him. \o/
Nutellagfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
Hadn't read it at the time of posting. Caught up and it doesn't really change my reads. Reads like a stronger version of llama/me, in which a style clash leads to reads that may or may not be accurate.MovingPictures07 wrote:Re: the orange [gfish/MP interaction] did you not read the back and forth or did you read it and not find any value in it with regards to developing reads?
Can you elaborate on your Jack read just a bit? In what post(s) do you feel he's trying to steer with nefarious intentions?
What don't you like about Llama specifically and why?
I like this post much better. Will be moving my vote once I figure out where to put it.thellama73 wrote:Happy to!MovingPictures07 wrote: Can you elaborate at all on the Bob, LC, and Dom reads? I need to understand your thought processes there, especially with Dom, because he's only been around in a very limited fashion and I currently have my vote on him.
Dom first. I love this post by him. I can't see mafia Dom making this post, calling out useless information.
Dom wrote:why is this attention worthy? do you play mass effect?S~V~S wrote:And you do know there are multiple games, and know enough about it to ask this question.Silver Lantern wrote:I have no idea if my role is from the latest one or not. I am also 100% unfamiliar. Well 95%, cause I know it has something to do with space, and the main person is called Shepard.Long Con wrote:Why, is your role from the latest one?Silver Lantern wrote:Hey there everyone. Does this game involve all the ME games or only the latest one?
How familiar are you with the games? I am 100% unfamiliar.
Not sure why this would be suspicious, but it does get my attention. Only thing so far, really.
MP, have you played at the HRC forum?
Bob: I was suspicious of his efforts to please the native folk here, and I didn't like how he responded to my vote for him. "I'm glad people are voting even if it's for me!" To me, thta sounded forced-casual.
Long Con: I think his asking me questions he already knows the answers to, especially given how many games we have played together, seems out of character, and is not something I associate with civ Long Con.
Also, fishface is being disingenuous. He says I am not adding any content, which is blatantly fake news. I am giving reads all over the place.
a) gutDyslexicon wrote:@LC - I find your reason for suspecting me weird. Why do you base it on someone else's meta when you've just played two games with me, one where I was town and one where I was scum?
Are you saying this about reading in general, or about reading me specifically?Long Con wrote:a) gutDyslexicon wrote:@LC - I find your reason for suspecting me weird. Why do you base it on someone else's meta when you've just played two games with me, one where I was town and one where I was scum?
b) it worked for me in the past
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
No no, nopey nopey no, no no.gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
Dyslexicon: I liked this post (aside from Wigly which I entirely disagree with). It just seems like such a shoot-from-the-hip type of post.colonialbob wrote:Ok, Reads as of this post, minus the gfish/MP back and forth:colonialbob wrote:Sighhhhh had a whole post of reads get eaten. Will come back to this, promise. Sorry, playing on mobile st work sucks sometimes.MovingPictures07 wrote:Bob, since you're here, let's talk. What are your current reads and why? Literally any reads you have, even if very slight.
Like Wilgy. Asking questions, probing, examining people's posts.
Like MP for similar reasons. Also the "joke" votes help; they may not indicate anything, but if they do it's likely that MP is town that mafia wants to meta-lynch early to get out of the way.
Didn't like Dizzy's early posting (jokes, not reading), but since then it's been much townier.
Don't like llama much, posting or voting. Folks have kinda meta-cleared him, but the nice thing about being unfamiliar with so many people is the ability to ignore all that and make reads organically.
Jack's wall o' meta is fairly typical, but I read him as slightly scummy. Feel like he's trying to steer too much in a game where there are plenty of other good players.
Also don't like Nifty much tbh. Early follow vote without much engagement.
Gfish seems typical, which means I doubt I'll get much of a scum/town lean from him early. Don't understand his read on MP though.
That's who stands out so far. Now to catch up and see if anything changes.
Oh is that right? You know what, this seems familiar somehow. I'm thinking, Blue vs Red Mafia, where you were bad and I was Civ?thellama73 wrote:Long Con: I think his asking me questions he already knows the answers to, especially given how many games we have played together, seems out of character, and is not something I associate with civ Long Con.
thellama73 wrote:That's sorta basic and predictable, Long Con. I expect better of you.
thellama73 wrote:I will say, I'm having trouble buying the "oh, I'm so confused" defense from LC. He's one of the most confident and capable mafia players I know. This doesn't seem like him. It seems like a ploy.
thellama73 wrote:The thing thta has me spooked about LC is his "have pity on me, I'm confused" moment. That seemed really out of character to me, as I'm used to him being confident. I have a hard time buying that it was sincere.
Caution: Meta At Workthellama73 wrote:I do not like this passive LC. It is unlike him. Since when does he let other people drive?
Choices for Most Town Read:gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
Hey LC!Long Con wrote:MovingPictures07gfishfunk wrote:Here is an idea. (I post them as I think of them)
Post ONE player you think is likely town. Very simple. If you say yourself, I vote for you.
mine: colonialbob.
He's playing like he plays his recent town game(s) I have been in. Last couple of Mafia roles, MP?
Effectively rendered wifom from this post?gfishfunk wrote:To extrapolate further, I highly doubt any member of a faction is going to nominate a member of their own faction as their MOST townie read. Instead, they will likely choose a person that they genuinely believe is town. I would then disjunction possible scum connections in this manner.
Wow, that long? Nice, I have updated meta on you then.MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey LC!
I'm not sure what the last baddie role should I had were... there's the Champion scrimmage at least from mid last year. That might be it.
I was also killed N1 in the burglary as well.Long Con wrote:I think he might be implying that we should lay off the town reads, lest we put targets on their heads.gfishfunk wrote:Re-reading. This stuck out to me.DrWilgy wrote:nutella wrote:I'd like for the players that have claimed they see someone as civvy to answer this - Would you feel bad if they died tonight?
I'm going to go to sleep now and dream, and when I wake up, everything's gonna be fine. I'll wake up in a better place, in a better time.
What is the town answer? Is anything but 'yes' helpful townish? I don't like this post.
