Blue Velvet Mafia {THE END}

[DharmaHelper]

Since he's dead I can break my vow of silence RE: BTSC and say Wilgy told me that if speedchuck went after G-Man he was bad.

[Sloonei]

G-man was not mentioned in my issue of the PM.

[DharmaHelper]

G-man was not mentioned in my issue of the PM.

Interesting

[Long Con]

Ok, here's the Last Words of Wilgy:

Sent: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:16:50 pm
From: DrWilgy
Recipient: DharmaHelper thellama73 nutella Long Con Dyslexicon

I have revealed everything to SVS.

Watch how she respinds to my death. This is all O can do for you in my final moments.

Revealing this pm on the thread would devalue it.

After his death, I sent this to all the recipients:

So, S~V~S has responded to Wilgy's death:

OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.

And thanks for votes~ I don't know that I did any good, while Wilgy came up with no affiliation, his role is one I would expect to see as a civvie. But he also baddie camped it up in the thread, so hard to say what happened there. I would like to talk about it, though, since he told me who his suspects were, and while I have reason to disagree with at least one of them, at first I thought it was misdirection but maybe not.

He did seem to want to be lynched there at the end, so maybe he will be back.

Any thoughts, with regard to Wilgy's final PM?

I only got one response to that PM:

Its tough to say not knowing Wilgy's actual affiliation but SVS seems legit so far.

DH didn't Reply All to it either, and when I asked about that, he said:

Of course I didn't Reply All. I want to keep as tight a circle as possible this game

Llama, nutella, and Dyslexicon never acknowledged the PM in any way.

[DharmaHelper]

That'll be the last time I PM LC this game :P

[Long Con]

That'll be the last time I PM LC this game :P

I haven't done any PMing in days. And I'm sorry if you thought PMs were some sort of secret vault, but in an open BTSC game, they're evidence.

If you had said "LC, swear you will never reveal these PMs in the thread!" then maybe.

[DharmaHelper]

That'll be the last time I PM LC this game :P

I haven't done any PMing in days. And I'm sorry if you thought PMs were some sort of secret vault, but in an open BTSC game, they're evidence.

If you had said "LC, swear you will never reveal these PMs in the thread!" then maybe.

Maybe I was kidding.

[Long Con]

I could move off Sloonei onto someone else. I'm kinda wondering how far Speedchuck is going to take the "I do what DH Does" schtick. I had my suspicions of Dyslexicon but I thought they might be an Indie and not a mafia. IDK. Quin might be a good vote. IDK.

Why do you have to bring Indy into it? How do you come to that conclusion, how does it help? Some Indies have to kill everyone else to win. Is that someone you'd like to vote?

[DharmaHelper]

I could move off Sloonei onto someone else. I'm kinda wondering how far Speedchuck is going to take the "I do what DH Does" schtick. I had my suspicions of Dyslexicon but I thought they might be an Indie and not a mafia. IDK. Quin might be a good vote. IDK.

Why do you have to bring Indy into it? How do you come to that conclusion, how does it help? Some Indies have to kill everyone else to win. Is that someone you'd like to vote?

It's an INH game, I'm considering every angle. For this particular double lynch I'm focused on eliminating possible llama teammate(s), which if I believe Quin to be independent, he wouldn't be.

[Long Con]

Can you tell me more about how you came to the "Independent" conclusion for Quin? What player traits and gameplay make you believe someone is Indy?

[DharmaHelper]

Can you tell me more about how you came to the "Independent" conclusion for Quin? What player traits and gameplay make you believe someone is Indy?

The frequency with which Dyslexicon dropped and picked up suspicions early in the game. Breeze on the wind type shit. No agenda.

[Long Con]

If I were Indy in a closed setup game, I would claim it. Indy with a 'survival' win-con. That's a really nice place to be. Quin said he's not Indy though.

[DharmaHelper]

OK.

[Long Con]

You took responsibility for the Llama lynch, and you want that to give us Civ vibes about you, right? Remind me how you were responsible.

[DharmaHelper]

You took responsibility for the Llama lynch, and you want that to give us Civ vibes about you, right? Remind me how you were responsible.

Did I take responsibility for the llama lynch?

[Sloonei]

Does anybody have a compelling argument as to why I should move my vote off of SVS? I'll be at work for the last few hours of this phase, so I don't have much time to finalize my vote.

[Long Con]

Well, something like that:

Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW

I would like a little more effort from you.

I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.

That's actually what I was referring to.

[DharmaHelper]

Well, something like that:

Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW

I would like a little more effort from you.

I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.

That's actually what I was referring to.

I don't see anywhere within that statement that says I'm taking credit for the llama lynch or expect you to believe I'm civ because llama got lynched.

[Long Con]

Well, something like that:

Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW

I would like a little more effort from you.

I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.

That's actually what I was referring to.

I don't see anywhere within that statement that says I'm taking credit for the llama lynch or expect you to believe I'm civ because llama got lynched.

Ok fine. Why should I believe you're Civ?

[Long Con]

Sloonei had a similar impression about you:

Does anyone have a cliffnotes list of reasons to suspect speedchuck? I ask this more for the sake of discussion than my own attempts to catch up.

Laziness.
Buddying.
Not voting for Llama even when DH did.

DH is about halfway down my list because all he's done to make himself look town is go after Llama. Bussing is pretty common where I come from. The mafia kills in this game have been quality-of-life kills. Kills that make the game more talkative, better. DH is having fun, I might could see him doing this (until phase 2 starts). It doesn't seem like anyone has genuinely put up any investigating toward DH.

Still, the llama push is pretty convincing. Good push I guess. Of course, Llama didn't die when lynched...

Anyway, there's that. And good job keeping me from following you, DH. I'm lazy and in fun mode, but not to the point of self-voting.

As for you, sloonei, I thought epic made some decent points, but I'm still not putting you much lower than SVS or Quin. The bottom three on my list are about even, and are very lazily non-controversial. I like things that way.

And you guy have an auto-rainbow tool? That's fantastic!

Cool.

There does seem to be a part of you that is coasting off the goodwill you built up from lynching llama. You don't seem to have a confident read on who his teammates might be though. Does this worry you at all?

[DharmaHelper]

Why shouldn't you believe I'm civ?

[Long Con]

Does anybody have a compelling argument as to why I should move my vote off of SVS? I'll be at work for the last few hours of this phase, so I don't have much time to finalize my vote.

I thought your S~V~S - Llama interactions were all right. You talked about a "repeated soft defense" in her earlier quoted posts but this first one isn't. Just the "BOTD" for Llama due to his travelling.

You reference a possible shifting of focus away from Llama by S~V~S, when she brought forth that Wilgy thing. If she's on Llama's team, then that could have been a successful ploy, but Wilgy was really the originator of it... like, his PM to her was confirmed real, unless I'm remembering wrong.

I thought the best point you had was her Llama vote. Llama was already a goner, and she just kind of whipped in with "I agree with the Llama case" and a vote. That's certainly not the most inspiring thing I've ever seen.

I felt like your Quin case was the more eyebrow-raising of the two.

[Epignosis]

I am probably going to be voting for Quin. I haven't seen anything to make me think I was wrong about Dyslexicon, and thellama73's blatant defense is the kind of fast and loose thing he'd do.

[DharmaHelper]

Seems like Quin's a goner. I'd focus on the #2

[Sloonei]

Quin is the only other player I feel I have a sufficient enough case against to justify a vote. I think I'll leave it on SVS, as she is my preferred second choice.

[Quin]

i am honestly feeling so attacked right now

[Quin]

Self-pres doesn't seem to be an option for me at the moment. So, who am I taking down with me? My vote is still in the wind.

[DharmaHelper]

Self-pres doesn't seem to be an option for me at the moment. So, who am I taking down with me? My vote is still in the wind.

A kind man would break up the LC/Epi bromance

[Quin]

Self-pres doesn't seem to be an option for me at the moment. So, who am I taking down with me? My vote is still in the wind.

A kind man would break up the LC/Epi bromance

It seems so many people are anti-SVS, but SVS only has one vote. This confuses me. It is a not-good feeling.

[Long Con]

Actually, I am going to vote for SVS... Quin would be my vote, but he seems to be covered.

[DharmaHelper]

Interesting, and saucy.

[DharmaHelper]

Starting to feel pretty bad about Long Con but I guess we'll see.

[Epignosis]

Starting to feel pretty bad about Long Con but I guess we'll see.

Nothing he has done since the beginning has made me believe he is a civilian. I probably should have been killed Night 3, but that would have exposed Long Con. Or maybe he's comfortable keeping me around since I'm holding up my end of the deal.

[Quin]

Starting to feel pretty bad about Long Con but I guess we'll see.

Nothing he has done since the beginning has made me believe he is a civilian. I probably should have been killed Night 3, but that would have exposed Long Con. Or maybe he's comfortable keeping me around since I'm holding up my end of the deal.

Did I sub in to almost immediately bus Long Con?

[Epignosis]

Quin is most assuredly getting my vote. Instead of fighting or working toward a civilian win condition, he asked who he's taking down with him.

Hopefully your teammate.

[Epignosis]

Starting to feel pretty bad about Long Con but I guess we'll see.

Nothing he has done since the beginning has made me believe he is a civilian. I probably should have been killed Night 3, but that would have exposed Long Con. Or maybe he's comfortable keeping me around since I'm holding up my end of the deal.

Did I sub in to almost immediately bus Long Con?

I don't know. Did you?

[Quin]

Starting to feel pretty bad about Long Con but I guess we'll see.

Nothing he has done since the beginning has made me believe he is a civilian. I probably should have been killed Night 3, but that would have exposed Long Con. Or maybe he's comfortable keeping me around since I'm holding up my end of the deal.

Did I sub in to almost immediately bus Long Con?

I don't know. Did you?

No.

[Quin]

Quin is most assuredly getting my vote. Instead of fighting or working toward a civilian win condition, he asked who he's taking down with him.

Hopefully your teammate.

Take a joke

[Epignosis]

Quin is most assuredly getting my vote. Instead of fighting or working toward a civilian win condition, he asked who he's taking down with him.

Hopefully your teammate.

Take a joke

No.

[Epignosis]

Voted Sloonei.

[DharmaHelper]

a 3 way tie in a two person lynch

Epignosis you madman

[Quin]

A FOUR WAY TIE

[DharmaHelper]

I just wanna congratulate my fellow Quin voters.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we got 'em

[speedchuck]

Hey epi wanna switch to long don? Or would you be more comfy with sloonei?

My Wi-Fi is down again and it's frustrating but I will be home tomorrow. I can't do ctap on phone, but I can vote. I can help the tie, but I'll defer to your judgement.

Whatdoyouthimk?

[Epignosis]

a 3 way tie in a two person lynch

Epignosis you madman

Madman? No.

I don't trust Sloonei or Long Con. I don't distrust S~V~S, although I do struggle to understand why she isn't being helpful. Given that Wilgy tried to fish a kill out of her, and he didn't get one, I'd say that makes S~V~S look pretty good.

[Quin]

I just wanna congratulate my fellow Quin voters.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we got 'em

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Epignosis]

Hey epi wanna switch to long don? Or would you be more comfy with sloonei?

My Wi-Fi is down again and it's frustrating but I will be home tomorrow. I can't do ctap on phone, but I can vote. I can help the tie, but I'll defer to your judgement.

Whatdoyouthimk?

I'd say your vote is safest on Quin.

If your Internet is sketchy, I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you feel differently about Quin.

[Epignosis]

If you're asking between S~V~S and Sloonei, I would prefer you voted Sloonei.

[Quin]

if my sister was still alive i know she'd be on my side

[speedchuck]

Works for me.

See you guys tomorrow. With actual internet access.

Linki: nah, I don't want to kill svs today.