Mountain Mafia [END]

[Kylemii]

I'm still not recovered so I'm not doing to be much help building cases today. I'll make a new rainbow. I think I feel best about a Kyle lynch at this point.

but why though

I can't make a huge case, but I did close on you after my early suspicions because of empathetic reasons, but because you come in most people's bottom of the list -lists. There's a bad aura. I mean, I've thrown shit everywhere, and yet I'm at the top of people's lists. So there's something missing from you. Why do you think everyone can't place a read on you?

so you think I'm mafia because some other people think I'm mafia, and also auras?

[Sloonei]

RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?

He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.

If that was the reason, they'd have targeted nutella or sloonei imo.

There's been more doubt surrounding myself and nutella than there ever was for Epi after Day 1. A number of people have expressed tinfoil suspicions of me, and I did just derail the thread to force the town semi-cop to be lynched. Nutella's town case, as you've argued previously, is based on whether or not she has the role that people assume she has. There's been speculation about her otherwise.
Everyone on the planet was reading Epi as town because he was on the money and believable. I expected Epi or myself to die the last two nights.

[Kylemii]

Blah. I'm waffling again. Epi is convincing and he's had pretty good instincts so far. But unfortunately I'm going to bed so I've got to make up my mind.

quin

Final answer.

@dunya I'd look into quin, DDL, and Wilgy (who's oddly gotten a total pass the last couple of days)

Near the end of the day dunya asked cbob if he flipped civ what players he'd look at. He listed these three. If he received a sketchy result he'd probably list them in that post.

Also I don't agree with the idea that cbobs 2 shot cop check is useless just because one check only tells lies and the other only tells truths. It's different than usual sure but either way he learns something about both players, and if one of his checks dies or is otherwise confirmed, his other check becomes absolute.

2 civ reads means one of his checks is mafia
1 mafia and 1 civ read means either both checks are mafia or both checks are civ(mathematically the ladder is more possible, unless cbob is a cop god)
2 mafia reads, a 50-50 shot just like 2 civ reads

No matter which of those happened it would have altered the course of his actions.

i call this the labyrinth door theory

[DrWilgy]

I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.

Interesting. Why?

[dunya]

Also I don't agree with the idea that cbobs 2 shot cop check is useless just because one check only tells lies and the other only tells truths.

I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.

This is my assumption. A role like that is more likely to be borderline useless than useful. Not knowing which of the two reads you receive is true means not trusting either one, so no real information can be gained.

until one of the two flips but there's also a chance one of his targets was night killed which would basically render his power useless.

[Sloonei]

Blah. I'm waffling again. Epi is convincing and he's had pretty good instincts so far. But unfortunately I'm going to bed so I've got to make up my mind.

quin

Final answer.

@dunya I'd look into quin, DDL, and Wilgy (who's oddly gotten a total pass the last couple of days)

Near the end of the day dunya asked cbob if he flipped civ what players he'd look at. He listed these three. If he received a sketchy result he'd probably list them in that post.

Also I don't agree with the idea that cbobs 2 shot cop check is useless just because one check only tells lies and the other only tells truths. It's different than usual sure but either way he learns something about both players, and if one of his checks dies or is otherwise confirmed, his other check becomes absolute.

2 civ reads means one of his checks is mafia
1 mafia and 1 civ read means either both checks are mafia or both checks are civ(mathematically the ladder is more possible, unless cbob is a cop god)
2 mafia reads, a 50-50 shot just like 2 civ reads

No matter which of those happened it would have altered the course of his actions.

i call this the labyrinth door theory

This seems like the most likely evidence of who he checked.

[Sloonei]

Anyone else wanna take me up on the Town Reads list proposal?

[dunya]

RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?

He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.

If that was the reason, they'd have targeted nutella or sloonei imo.

There's been more doubt surrounding myself and nutella than there ever was for Epi after Day 1. A number of people have expressed tinfoil suspicions of me, and I did just derail the thread to force the town semi-cop to be lynched. Nutella's town case, as you've argued previously, is based on whether or not she has the role that people assume she has. There's been speculation about her otherwise.
Everyone on the planet was reading Epi as town because he was on the money and believable. I expected Epi or myself to die the last two nights.

apart from me, who speculated?

anyway, here's what I have so far:

kyle - I got bad vibes from him early in the game. I put them to rest because me and Kyle are friends and we had a vocal disagreement where he was trying to pin me out as someone who was intentionally "misrepresenting and lying" about a real convo we had about Mesk's other forum and games we played there. I feel in my heart a scum Kyle would never do that to a townie dunya just to make her look bad. So reflecting back on that scenario, I think I'm moving Kyle up in my list.

nutella - the only way I can excuse nutella not being nightkilled is if she is everest and the scum team decided it's better to know where she's moving her vote and account for it, than K2 who they don't know and would be a surprise extra vote in the lynches. But like, if anyone else is everest, this is the time to vocally criticize nutella because if she isn't everest, she's scum. Given that the theory has been going on since the beginning of time, however, and I was the first one to bring up any "nutella suspicions" again, I'm going to move her up in my list for now.

Sloonei - I've called Sloonei supertown sloonei since the beginning. If he's scum, he deserves to win and I won't even be angry. But I'm pretty sure he's town and have strong feelings about that. I'd bet my cat on it. That's how sure I am.

Long Con - feel certain he's not scum. Not as certain if he's not the 3P, but even if he is, he's no harm to us. Long Con in Seinfeld was more restrained, I feel this version of Long Con is a lot more impulsive and genuine. His theories hold weight, he may have some time constraints because of reduced activity, but he's got a good eye for things and all of his actions apart from Epi have been pro-town (and I'd even call that episode pro-town because it cleared them both for me).

[dunya]

also, something else nutella has going for her is her excited case on possibly catching Quin/cBob w/w pairing. That seemed like a genuine town thing to do and say, and it flipped the other way round. I don't feel scum nutella would have spoken that soon.

[Elohcin]

Y'all are insane. Absolutely insane.

Oh come one. You know that as a high school teacher you have all the time in the world for mafia.

[dunya]

nijuukyugou - Finally a post from this player slot! Insertglorfblooper is town because there's no way two players fail to pick up a scum role card, right?


[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I didn't understand this. Can you explain?

[speedchuck]

I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.

Interesting. Why?

That's a good question.

Metagut is the answer.

It is a bad answer.

If I don't have a better one by the end of the day, I'll be somewhere else.

[Elohcin]

I'd still like it if as many of us as are able could list reasons to read everybody as town. I have a reason for asking this, and the more people who do it, the more potentially useful the exercise is.

But why can't you just come right out and tell us your plan?

[Elohcin]

RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?

He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.

If that was the reason, they'd have targeted nutella or sloonei imo.

Or you!

[Marmot]

I'm assuming that the "learn truth on one of these occasions" means he is fed a lie on the other occasion? Marmot
Also how would the 3P show up for cBob's check?

That's an accurate assumption. One of his checks will be true, one will be false.

What is a 3P?

Third party. Mars hill.

Ohhhhhhhh.

Answer =

[Elohcin]

Blah. I'm waffling again. Epi is convincing and he's had pretty good instincts so far. But unfortunately I'm going to bed so I've got to make up my mind.

quin

Final answer.

@dunya I'd look into quin, DDL, and Wilgy (who's oddly gotten a total pass the last couple of days)

Near the end of the day dunya asked cbob if he flipped civ what players he'd look at. He listed these three. If he received a sketchy result he'd probably list them in that post.

Also I don't agree with the idea that cbobs 2 shot cop check is useless just because one check only tells lies and the other only tells truths. It's different than usual sure but either way he learns something about both players, and if one of his checks dies or is otherwise confirmed, his other check becomes absolute.

2 civ reads means one of his checks is mafia
1 mafia and 1 civ read means either both checks are mafia or both checks are civ(mathematically the ladder is more possible, unless cbob is a cop god)
2 mafia reads, a 50-50 shot just like 2 civ reads

No matter which of those happened it would have altered the course of his actions.

But I didn't see any indication of any results in his posts. If I were bob, I would have listed only two players....the ones I had checked. I think that would have been better for the cause. I just don't know what we can get from those three names.

[speedchuck]

I'm going to ISO this player slot.

Y'all are insane. Absolutely insane.

"Y'all" <- Informal tone, using slang. Possibly trying too hard to be casual. It also addresses the high posters, which are probably town at this point. Y'all is not self-inclusive. Blooper does not think of self as town. Scumslip?

"are" <- sounds awful pirate-y to me. And pirates are scummy.

"insane" <- doubt-casting on our reads. If we're finally onto something, this might be Bloopers way of passively defending a scummate. Be wary here.

"Absolutely" <- Only a sith deals in absolutes.

"insane" <- rather than provide new content, Blooper sticks to the same line of reasoning. This indicates an unwillingness to change opinion or read, and closes off conversation. Townies want to encourage conversation or challenge the thread. This leaves no argument, nothing to respond to.



Literally every word this slot presents pings me. Lynch it. Lynch it with fire.


(The above was a joke. I'mma go ISO wilgy now.)

[Sloonei]

nijuukyugou - Finally a post from this player slot! Insertglorfblooper is town because there's no way two players fail to pick up a scum role card, right?


@Sloonei I didn't understand this. Can you explain?

The entire point of the exercise is to make an argument specifically in favor of each player being town. That was my attempt to do that.

[Sloonei]

I'd still like it if as many of us as are able could list reasons to read everybody as town. I have a reason for asking this, and the more people who do it, the more potentially useful the exercise is.

But why can't you just come right out and tell us your plan?

Because that would defeat the purpose. What harm is there in doing this?

[Elohcin]

I wanna keep reading, but I gotta get back to work. Be back later.

[DrWilgy]

I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.

Interesting. Why?

That's a good question.

Metagut is the answer.

It is a bad answer.

If I don't have a better one by the end of the day, I'll be somewhere else.

I don't see it as a bad answer but to what meta are you comparing?

Now for some internal from Wilgy. Something I found it odd about my interactions with you so far is that I was Civ reading you when I'm normally always up your ass. Perhaps it's because we had similar thoughts regarding Sloonei. Reflecting on this puts me in a state of Civ reading you while also cautiously looking your way. Does that make sense and what are your thoughts on this?

[Sloonei]

Is anyone interested in doing the thing i'm proposing? The more the merrier!

[dunya]

I'm taking a short headache break brb.

dunya - obv I'm town cos Marmot told me I am.

DrWilgy - I have a theory regarding Wilgy and it adds up. I am sticking with my Town read on him.

sig - I went back to check my town read of sig. I stand by it tbh. There's nothing that pinged me about his ISO and I feel it was a general mirroring of his style and tone in Pirates. It's unfortunate he's MIA, but I'd rather lynch the other MIA before sig MIA.

Quin - seems very genuine. Has made real efforts at casing and scum hunting. Is he always right? No. But even when he's wrong he'll be vocal about it. Seems very townie to me.

Elohcin - The only pro-town thing I can say is that Epi defended her and he's her husband and should know her better than anyone else right? also she's a mom and has a job and life is busy. (deleted untownie reasons, which I'll post in my next post)

[dunya]

RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?

He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.

If that was the reason, they'd have targeted nutella or sloonei imo.

Or you!

[Kylemii]

Also I don't agree with the idea that cbobs 2 shot cop check is useless just because one check only tells lies and the other only tells truths.

I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.

This is my assumption. A role like that is more likely to be borderline useless than useful. Not knowing which of the two reads you receive is true means not trusting either one, so no real information can be gained.

until one of the two flips but there's also a chance one of his targets was night killed which would basically render his power useless.

A player getting night killed also serves as an alignment indicator. Baddies don't kill their own, except on very rare occasions, and there's only 1 vig kill.

[dunya]

DDL - He is an enigma. He started off really slow. I like some of his observations, and others I think are completely whack and he still makes them and stands by them. Quin is playing a bad game like old DDL. *votes Quin*. I hated that, but I also loved it. There's more random instances of good vibes than bad as a whole, so I'll read him Town.

nilju - the new replacement. wow. Townie defense? You're town until proven guilty?

speedchuck - He makes a genuine effort at trying to come to conclusions on why things happened, I suppose. That's the only pro-town thing I can think of at this point.

[dunya]

Also I don't agree with the idea that cbobs 2 shot cop check is useless just because one check only tells lies and the other only tells truths.

I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.

This is my assumption. A role like that is more likely to be borderline useless than useful. Not knowing which of the two reads you receive is true means not trusting either one, so no real information can be gained.

until one of the two flips but there's also a chance one of his targets was night killed which would basically render his power useless.

A player getting night killed also serves as an alignment indicator. Baddies don't kill their own, except on very rare occasions, and there's only 1 vig kill.

you're correct, I'm sorry.

[speedchuck]

I'm voting Wilgy for now.

I have no idea what cbob saw. Would welcome more theories. I'm beginning to assume it was two townies and that cbob just didn't really focus on it.

Interesting. Why?

That's a good question.

Metagut is the answer.

It is a bad answer.

If I don't have a better one by the end of the day, I'll be somewhere else.

I don't see it as a bad answer but to what meta are you comparing?

Now for some internal from Wilgy. Something I found it odd about my interactions with you so far is that I was Civ reading you when I'm normally always up your ass. Perhaps it's because we had similar thoughts regarding Sloonei. Reflecting on this puts me in a state of Civ reading you while also cautiously looking your way. Does that make sense and what are your thoughts on this?

It's a bad answer because I'm getting your meta from Pirates. I was scum in that game, but if I had been town, I would have townread you so hard. Looking back at your ISO, I see a lot of questions and not many answers. When you finally gave reads, they weren't very substantiated (And in the case of the reads you gave DDL, you covered them up with a cute [guess what my reads are] game). I'm just not seeing any of the conviction, drive, and assurance you had as town (yes, even with a gimmick). Prove me wrong.
(And yeah, my scumread on you would hope that it's not RL + a 5k post game discouraging you.)
I don't feel like I have any reason to read you as town. Your back and forth with JJJ I could see between scummates. I don't think you're w/w with Quin. Too much buddying there. That's what I got from your ISO.

Regarding your reasoning: It makes pretty good sense to me, yeah. I don't have many thoughts on it. I've had different people suspect me this game than the norm.

To everyone else: I recommend you ISO Wilgy. He only has 2 pages of posts. Please tell me what you think.

[dunya]

speedchuck - I can't put my finger on it yet (and also I haven't had a chance to really iso speed yet but I will), but there's something here that doesn't add up. He doesn't seem focused and in townie mode to me. I feel like sometimes he's intentionally trying to distance himself from the thread. I want to go back and see how likely a JJJ/speedchuck pairing would be, but I can see it. He's going to be my first focus.

Elochin - What I particularly didn't like, however, was how she clarified that she's not active as either Town or Scum (yesterday) to me. It felt almost as an early defence. She keeps throwing her activity around, when it wasn't he activity that I was accusing her off solely. I mean, I did say I found it odd how she has posted loads about not having time and what she has to do, but still. I called her out on a lot of inconsistencies too. I can't town read her, sorry. Sorry if I'm wrong, because I get how you have kids and a husband and a job. But like, have those things too and she yourself said her activity level is not alignment indicative, so, I'll go with my scum read on her and sorry if I'm wrong. I still think placing Dom as a top suspect before INH in the list she made was really odd too, regardless of how early it was and especially how early in the game it was: she wanted Dom lynched before INH. She made a concious decision in that regard.

nijuu - sorry, but like, out of sig and you, I think you're the last scum. I hope you can convince us to look elsewhere.

so basically, speed, eloh and nilju are my current scum reads. If one of them isn't, I'd look into Kyle first because I am basing most of my read on what I think a scum Kyle wouldn't resort to in a reaction, but I could be wrong.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck - I can't put my finger on it yet (and also I haven't had a chance to really iso speed yet but I will), but there's something here that doesn't add up. He doesn't seem focused and in townie mode to me. I feel like sometimes he's intentionally trying to distance himself from the thread. I want to go back and see how likely a JJJ/speedchuck pairing would be, but I can see it. He's going to be my first focus.

I still think you're town, but I'm getting really tired of you pointing suspicion at me, saying you're going to substantiate it, and then never doing so. I can't dispute a big ball of nothing.

Feeling like a cBob/Sloonei situation.

[dunya]

speedchuck - I can't put my finger on it yet (and also I haven't had a chance to really iso speed yet but I will), but there's something here that doesn't add up. He doesn't seem focused and in townie mode to me. I feel like sometimes he's intentionally trying to distance himself from the thread. I want to go back and see how likely a JJJ/speedchuck pairing would be, but I can see it. He's going to be my first focus.

I still think you're town, but I'm getting really tired of you pointing suspicion at me, saying you're going to substantiate it, and then never doing so. I can't dispute a big ball of nothing.

Feeling like a cBob/Sloonei situation.

well I had to do my case on cBob which took all my time and I threw up yesterday and today so I don't feel like doing big reading analysis right now so there's that.

are you trying to distance yourself from the thread?

[dunya]

I am trying to be as active as possible, but I'm really sorry, I have papers and exams as well as everything else going on so if I'm lagging, don't let me hinder you all.

[DrWilgy]

Dragon D. Luffy -
Civ due to tone and reasoning. I've meta read him as civ the entire game.
Bad due to voting record. DDL had voted for Jack day 2, Bob day 3 (when J3 was a heavily discussed option), If my memory serves was a lead pusher of the Malakim wagon.

DrWilgy -
Civ due to his overall attractiveness.
Bad due to... his overall attractiveness?

dunya -
Civ due to being very vocal. I did not recall seeing anything I directly was opposed to in the moment other than their suspicion on me.
Bad due to interactions with J3.

Elohcin -
Civ due to interactions with J3. While not a negative voting record I so far have had no harsh qualms with the results of her votes.
Bad due to interactions with me that I noticed earlier in the game. Eloh was playing catch up (like someone else who I won't mention) and had called me scummy for a single sentence regarding daisy. It stuck with me and still does.

And I only got through 3 before I have to leave. Sorry Sloonbot, I'll try to finish the rest later. I did find that I putting reason behind Dunya being civ was much harder than the other two, and very much forced. I don't know if this is due to a lack of knowledge or not. I should reflect on this.

[speedchuck]

Reasons for town

Dragon D. Luffy - genuine tone
DrWilgy - No reasons
dunya (replaced sprityo) - tons of content, independent well-substantiated reads (except for me)
Elohcin - Eloh is Eloh. Scum Eloh would be better at the game than this.
nijuukyugou (replaced insertnamehere) (replaced Glorfindel)
Kylemii - lots of content, genuine tone
Long Con - Ballsy chase of Epi
nutella - D1 lynch reaction, decent reads of the thread, metaread matches all non-Phenon town nutellas
Quin - supergenuine tone. People are scumreading quin for being honest and sticking to his guns even when wrong, which is his meta. Reminds me of Phenon!Quin.
sig - JJJ went after him, right?
Sloonei - Possibly cBob check at some point, good suspicions despite vote placement, good metaread, tons of spontantous content
speedchuck - lol

[speedchuck]

speedchuck - I can't put my finger on it yet (and also I haven't had a chance to really iso speed yet but I will), but there's something here that doesn't add up. He doesn't seem focused and in townie mode to me. I feel like sometimes he's intentionally trying to distance himself from the thread. I want to go back and see how likely a JJJ/speedchuck pairing would be, but I can see it. He's going to be my first focus.

I still think you're town, but I'm getting really tired of you pointing suspicion at me, saying you're going to substantiate it, and then never doing so. I can't dispute a big ball of nothing.

Feeling like a cBob/Sloonei situation.

well I had to do my case on cBob which took all my time and I threw up yesterday and today so I don't feel like doing big reading analysis right now so there's that.

are you trying to distance yourself from the thread?

I'm sorry to hear that. I understand. Sorry, forgot. Throwing up is basically the worst thing, and I legit have a phobia of it.

I don't know what "distance myself from the thread" means. I'm actually curious, please elaborate

[Kylemii]

Is anyone interested in doing the thing i'm proposing? The more the merrier!

Do you need it soon? To do what you're planning?

I won't have time to sit down and get into it until around 5pm PST after they take all my blood away.

[Sloonei]

Is anyone interested in doing the thing i'm proposing? The more the merrier!

Do you need it soon? To do what you're planning?

I won't have time to sit down and get into it until around 5pm PST after they take all my blood away.

I don't need huge lists, a one-sentence answer works perfectly fine. The sooner we have results, the sooner we can use them.

[Sloonei]

Dragon D. Luffy -
Civ due to tone and reasoning. I've meta read him as civ the entire game.
Bad due to voting record. DDL had voted for Jack day 2, Bob day 3 (when J3 was a heavily discussed option), If my memory serves was a lead pusher of the Malakim wagon.

DrWilgy -
Civ due to his overall attractiveness.
Bad due to... his overall attractiveness?

dunya -
Civ due to being very vocal. I did not recall seeing anything I directly was opposed to in the moment other than their suspicion on me.
Bad due to interactions with J3.

Elohcin -
Civ due to interactions with J3. While not a negative voting record I so far have had no harsh qualms with the results of her votes.
Bad due to interactions with me that I noticed earlier in the game. Eloh was playing catch up (like someone else who I won't mention) and had called me scummy for a single sentence regarding daisy. It stuck with me and still does.

And I only got through 3 before I have to leave. Sorry Sloonbot, I'll try to finish the rest later. I did find that I putting reason behind Dunya being civ was much harder than the other two, and very much forced. I don't know if this is due to a lack of knowledge or not. I should reflect on this.

I appreciate that you're able to give both reads for these folks and it's certainly good to have them, but for the purposes of the exercise I'm proposing I only need town reads right now.

[DrWilgy]

Well shit. Remove the scum reads and call it a day.

[Kylemii]

slooeni you're at exactly 666 posts that's the DEVILS number

[Sloonei]

slooeni you're at exactly 666 posts that's the DEVILS number

[speedchuck]

Peh

I'm getting the after-lunch drowsies.

Someone ISO Wilgy other than me. Someone do it. Kylemii, you do it.

[speedchuck]

I didn't know Wilgy was playing in this game????

Actually he isn't, he forgot to use blue font.

DDL and Wilgy not w/w

And I'm getting a good feeling from DDL's ISO.

[Kylemii]

focusing only on things that I've seen as civ indicators from memory

Dragon D. Luffy - pretty rough aggro between him and Jay early on, aggro seems genuine, would be a buck wild strategy if w/w

DrWilgy - hmmmm.... he seems relaxed. Jay also did go after him quite a bit early on.

dunya - has put a huge amount of effort into this game, and if whoeverthefuck said it is to be believe then this is probably civ dunya

Elohcin - Jay went after her in a way which seemed too strong for distancing.

Kylemii - role card

Long Con - hmm.... at the time it was happening, back on day 1 when he was going after Epignosis I felt like the passion in his pursuit felt genuine

nijuukyugou - has contributing a lot lately compared to previous slot holders. technically speaking she has infinitely increased her player slots number of posts

nutella - mechanically likely to be a specific civ role, if she wasn't she would have drawn attention by now but the real owner of that role

Quin - at times has seemed genuine and reasonable

sig - ehh.... none. well... Jay went after sig early on in a way which might have been sowing seeds or distancing, there's a nonzero possibility that it's the former.

Sloonei - mechanics.... I think? but also good vibes. has been working hard

speedchuck - there was an early clash between speed and Jay that I think was slightly too strong to be distancing

[speedchuck]

Revised, more confident rainbow after looking at about 4 ISOs (I'll admit to skimming though)

speedchuck
Sloonei
dunya
nutella
Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
nijuukyugou
Kylemii
Long Con
sig
Elohcin
DrWilgy

[Kylemii]

this probably wasn't the intent of the excercise but with some of those I had to look back into their posts and Jay's posts, I feel a little bit better about a few players than I did before

[Dragon D. Luffy]

RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?

He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.

If that was the reason, they'd have targeted nutella or sloonei imo.

They targeted Daisy (also very civ looking), Jack (a town leader whose civ-status seemed to be increasing), and another three people who might include those you mentioned.

So far I think they have picked good targets. You could argue Nutella is not a high poster enough to be such an immediate threat, while Sloonei's presence made the eventual Bob lynch more likely which is good for them.

[Kylemii]

i have to look back and see if something i remember LC saying actually happened or if i just dreamed it

[speedchuck]

RIP epi and welcome niju

Ugh I'm not feeling super confident about anything and would go along with whatever tbh. I'd vote for Sig, I'd vote for Quin, I'd maybe vote for Kyle, heck I'd even vote for Sloonei. LC and DDL I'm less inclined to suspect but I could be wrong.

I'm having a hard time trusting anyone at this point and that's sad this late in the game.

Let's talk about why we think mafia would kill epi. Do you think we can glean any info from that?

He was one of the most civ looking players in the game.

If that was the reason, they'd have targeted nutella or sloonei imo.

They targeted Daisy (also very civ looking), Jack (a town leader whose civ-status seemed to be increasing), and another three people who might include those you mentioned.

So far I think they have picked good targets. You could argue Nutella is not a high poster enough to be such an immediate threat, while Sloonei's presence made the eventual Bob lynch more likely which is good for them.

Plus nobody was even tinfoiling Epi

[Kylemii]

i have to look back and see if something i remember LC saying actually happened or if i just dreamed it

nevermind, apparently it was just a dream