Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[speedchuck]

Should we always lynch a low poster D1 then? 0.o

[Epignosis]

The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.

Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

[Epignosis]

You always give people shit for being afraid to lynch me. Are you afraid to lynch me?

I like giving people shit.

[Epignosis]

Should we always lynch a low poster D1 then? 0.o

Jay would probably tell you that there should be no low-posters.

[Epignosis]

As of right now, Kylemii is a civilian.

[Sloonei]

As of right now, Kylemii is a civilian.

why?

[nutella]

OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

[Epignosis]

As of right now, Kylemii is a civilian.

why?

I alluded to why earlier: I read his posts in his voice and I feel like I am hearing the same civilian Kylemii. Granted, I have no alternative alignment audio to which I can compare that, but for Day 1, I'm comfortable enough with what I'm hearing in my head.

[Marmot]

The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.

Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

But this is a different, bigger picture I'm talking about.

This isn't a job where you need to earn an income and keep a solid reputation for your roofing company.

This isn't a one-time situation where we need to make the best decision possible for the sake of the company. Each "roof" we are building is independent of each other "roof"

If Player X is a bad mafia player who puts his foot in his mouth and looks bad every game, will we lynch him Day 1 every game? No.


If you think Jay is worth lynching, why wait to lynch him? Why would you bring it up as a decent notion (for not Day 1) if Jay is "working very hard on the construction" and not "planning on destroying the roof"?

[Epignosis]

Yeah, no.

Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).

OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

How do you go from "I don't get what Epi is saying here" to "OK, "I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit?"

nutella

[speedchuck]

Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah, no.

Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).

OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

How do you go from "I don't get what Epi is saying here" to "OK, "I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit?"

nutella

What's the issue with that? She is questioning your commentary in the first post (and providing the same argument that I provided, meaning she was on my side) and then has progressed to greater suspicion in the second post.

[Kylemii]

The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.

Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

But this is a different, bigger picture I'm talking about.

This isn't a job where you need to earn an income and keep a solid reputation for your roofing company.

This isn't a one-time situation where we need to make the best decision possible for the sake of the company. Each "roof" we are building is independent of each other "roof"

If Player X is a bad mafia player who puts his foot in his mouth and looks bad every game, will we lynch him Day 1 every game? No.

If you think Jay is worth lynching, why wait to lynch him? Why would you bring it up as a decent notion (for not Day 1) if Jay is "working very hard on the construction" and not "planning on destroying the roof"?

In this metaphor does "roof" represent "lynch" or "game"

[Epignosis]

If Player X is a bad mafia player who puts his foot in his mouth and looks bad every game, will we lynch him Day 1 every game? No.

A good foreman will tell the difference between a guy who spills the nails and a guy who doesn't care about the roof.

If you think Jay is worth lynching, why wait to lynch him? Why would you bring it up as a decent notion (for not Day 1) if Jay is "working very hard on the construction" and not "planning on destroying the roof"?

Only one person can be lynched at a time. When you have a quiet person (or a non-poster) who is mafia, lynching that person comes down to what almost amounts to luck, especially early on. If 3J is bad, leaving him alive Day 1 is a wise strategic move because Jay is a guaranteed talker, one who (more than anybody I know) will eventually comment on everybody.

To beat our analogical horse further, if 3J wants to destroy the roof, he's the guy who feels compelled to talk about the roof, and to talk about it with his co-conspirators.

[Sloonei]

I'm super distracted right now and only sporadically glancing at the thread to follow along, but I'm still seeing Kyle as my primary suspect. I've started to develop more of a town read on Jay. I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

I should be able to sit down and work on this game later in the evening.

[Epignosis]

Yeah, no.

Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).

OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

How do you go from "I don't get what Epi is saying here" to "OK, "I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit?"

nutella

What's the issue with that? She is questioning your commentary in the first post (and providing the same argument that I provided, meaning she was on my side) and then has progressed to greater suspicion in the second post.

If that's the case, then she never cared to get what I was saying in the first place.

Do you get the impression that nutella turned this into a false dilemma (Epi vs JJJ)?

[Kylemii]

what is the roof?

also, thoughts on marmot?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

What do you mean by this part?

[Epignosis]

In this metaphor does "roof" represent "lynch" or "game"

Game.

[speedchuck]

I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

[DrWilgy]

Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

What sold you on this one?

[DrWilgy]

Also, sup dudes?

[Epignosis]

what is the roof?

also, thoughts on marmot?

I don't think he cares about the roof.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do you get the impression that nutella turned this into a false dilemma (Epi vs JJJ)?

First post, no. She doesn't get it, but isn't calling for a lynch. Second post, perhaps.

[Epignosis]

Do you get the impression that nutella turned this into a false dilemma (Epi vs JJJ)?

First post, no. She doesn't get it, but isn't calling for a lynch. Second post, perhaps.

I was referring to her most recent post.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

I could say that this post is...

opportunistic

[Sloonei]

I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

Yes.

[DrWilgy]

Would you like it if I was scum?

[speedchuck]

Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

What sold you on this one?

1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding down
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.

[speedchuck]

I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

Yes.

I like these odds.

[speedchuck]

Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

I could say that this post is...

opportunistic

I actually noticed that after I posted it. Hopefully my newer post helps.

[DrWilgy]

K. I've decided I'm going to buddy Speedychuckwagon this game.

Speed, your my buddy. Let's goooooooo!!!!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]nutella[/mention],

You cited the comparisons to RvB and WTNV in support of your Epignosis vote. The former I understand. What is the similarity you see or interest you have in Epignosis's play in WTNV?

[speedchuck]

K. I've decided I'm going to buddy Speedychuckwagon this game.

Speed, your my buddy. Let's goooooooo!!!!

YEEEEEEEAAAAA

[Sloonei]

I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

Yes.

I like these odds.

Convince me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

[speedchuck]

I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

Yes.

I like these odds.

Convince me

1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding down
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.

Or you could just lynch her and find out

[Sloonei]

If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

This post accomplishes nothing.

[DrWilgy]

nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

I like her profile pic.

[speedchuck]

nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

Slightly less bad than nutella.

Her suspish post on Epi didn't scream scum to me like Nutella's did, since it was more like a readlist of the three most involved players.
Could see her as scum independent of nutella, but not quite as likely. Could be teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have clicked a button.

[speedchuck]

If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

This post accomplishes nothing.

Neither did this one.

I agree with you, went to go build a case, and there's nothing there. Daisy might just be busy?

[Epignosis]

nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

Lorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.

[speedchuck]

Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

I don't know why I'm doing this when I'm so back and forth this game.

[LoRab]

OK....I'm not seeing 3J as bad--I'm seeing his typical civ game. I'm also not seeing Kyle as bad--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--I'm null on him. I could see Epi being bad (despite his use of Hebrew in a post, and almost spelling it correctly except for the stray vowel)--while I've seen him go after people for no reason (often me) in games, and have seen him drop seeds to see what grows, I've also seen him as mafia pretend to do this--pretty much what he's claimed 3J has done. Perhaps my lens is colored by the fact that I'm reading 3J as civ, and considering that mafia are going to try for lynching civs, particularly in a 1 baddie team game.

Can you recall a previous game you played with Kyle that informs your perception of him now?

I played a dozen or so games with him on LP and The Piano and hosted him at least once in Muppet (he was bad)--can't remember if he played any other games I hosted.

[Sloonei]

Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

I don't know why I'm doing this when I'm so back and forth this game.

Speedchuck is not 100% certain of his own towniness, noted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The hallowed rainbow list blue only appears on the rarest occasion. When you see it you must make a wish.

[Kylemii]

Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

I don't know why I'm doing this when I'm so back and forth this game.

I don't mean to bite the gift horse in the mouth but why am I green?

[Sloonei]

Kyle, what color would I be on your rainbow?

[DrWilgy]

nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

Lorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.

What about meeeeeee?