Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Kylemii]

don't make me regret this

[MacDougall]

Yuck

[Sloonei]

Kyle, I'm sorry if I've incorrectly tunneled you. I had multiple reasons to be suspicious of you early in the game and presented these reasons in the thread. I am entirely open to the possibility that my arguments are wrong, but I don't feel like there was ever a thorough discussion of that. I don't agree with the perception of my treatment of you, though you have been my primary suspect today.

[Sloonei]

[MacDougall]

I feel like an accessory to a terrible murder

[Kylemii]

someday I would actually like to play in a game with Daisy without her replacing out immediately

[Spacedaisy]

Daisy's four posts, with reasons why Sloonei dislikes them:

This is an emoji. There are no words in this post. Daisy is implying excitement about the game. Daisy is not saying anything though.

If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

Daisy starts this post off by saying nothing. Then in the middle, she says nothing. She ends it by saying nothing with an ellipsis.

Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Daisy comments on the activity of the game. Daisy then vows to cast a vote which will be attributed to the work of others, referring it as "random".

Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.

Daisy corrects her wording from before, because saying a vote is "random" is a bad look. Daisy puts a vote on me and hides behind Kyle. Then Daisy leaves.

Yeah I just got home from work. I have no idea what time is left, but if I die in this lynch you will have a civ flip.

Sloonei, this is the dumbest most word twisting case I've ever seen.

I corrected myself just before I voted, not because it looks bad to vote randomly but because as I was deciding who to vote for it hit me, that i had misspoken and said I was voting randomly when that wasn't what I meant. Poorly chosen wording does not mean that I changed my mind because a random vote looks bad. I corrected myself because I realized what I said was not what I intended to do. It was poorly chosen because it didn't reflect the reality of my intention.

If I get lynched take a look at the people running this train it's shadyshit going dfown when you know I don'thave time to defend.

[Spacedaisy]

Seriously you guys. I just got lynched whenI flat out said I had no time. Lynch SLoonei for sure.

[Long Con]

@Long Con whatcha gonna do with that vote?

I was watching TV and keeping an eye on the time. My plan was to make you not get lynched if it were in my power. One minute before it was up, you and Daisy were tied. Then I voted for her at the same time one or two folks switched to Daisy as well.

[Spacedaisy]

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you guys. This is the god damn stupidest lynch I have ever seen.

[Spacedaisy]

I'm out.

[Epignosis]

Seriously you guys. I just got lynched whenI flat out said I had no time. Lynch SLoonei for sure.

You were here though. I saw you hanging out. Sloonei was building the roof. You were watching.

[Sloonei]

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you guys. This is the god damn stupidest lynch I have ever seen.

This is exactly how I would have reacted if it went the other way, so

[Spacedaisy]

Seriously you guys. I just got lynched whenI flat out said I had no time. Lynch SLoonei for sure.

You were here though. I saw you hanging out. Sloonei was building the roof. You were watching.

No I was not here. I literally just got on the site. I may have had a browser page open on my phone or something. But I was not here

This is some straight up bullshit. You guys screwed the pooch

[Spacedaisy]

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you guys. This is the god damn stupidest lynch I have ever seen.

This is exactly how I would have reacted if it went the other way, so

You are bad Sloonei.

[speedchuck]

Oh, I didn't realize the lynch was ending right this second. I'll keep an eye here for reveals.

[Sloonei]

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you guys. This is the god damn stupidest lynch I have ever seen.

This is exactly how I would have reacted if it went the other way, so

You are bad Sloonei.

I'm very very not.

[nutella]

Man I wanted there to be a 3-way tie between Daisy, Epi, and Sloonei. I can't make up my mind.

Other than that anticlimactic sudden majority, this was the most exciting Day 1 I've experienced in a long time. This is the shit I live for. This is the invigorating mafia drama I keep coming back for more of. Love you guys.

[Spacedaisy]

When I posted a response to Sloonei, that was the first I had seen it and from the typos it should be obvious that was a rushed post in hopes of stopping the insanity.

Seriously, look at this lynch there was some really questionable stuff that went down. And the only good thing about it is you aren't losing a powerful civ.

Lynch Sloonei.

[Spacedaisy]

I was up front and said I was busy at work, I posted as soon as I got in. The baddies took advantage of the fact I was not wrong. you guys voted for me based on a case against me that was based on THREE FUCKING POSTS!

[Spacedaisy]

You'd better use this fucking nonsense to catch some baddies or I am going to be even more pissed than I am right now. Someone took advantage. I'm really leaving now. Good luck civs.

[nutella]

Ooo she maaaad.

Don't worry, I'll hang those rascals.

[Sloonei]

A note about the way I present arguments in the game of mafia: when I say something like "these are the reasons I don't like this" or "these are my reasons for reading this person as bad", I am trying to emphasize that my reads are not definitive or set in stone, but that I have reasons to perceive them as bad and wish to discuss that side of the coin. This is the same mindset as when I say I am deliberately tunneling on a person. Sometimes I think it helps to stare at a post and try to read it as if it came from the fingers of a scum player.
I think this got me in a lot of hot water today. By no means was I trying to bury Kyle. I just had a perspective of him which was not being discussed.
By no means was I attempting to twist Daisy's words. I had reason to be wary of each of her posts so I said so.

[MacDougall]

When I posted a response to Sloonei, that was the first I had seen it and from the typos it should be obvious that was a rushed post in hopes of stopping the insanity.

Seriously, look at this lynch there was some really questionable stuff that went down. And the only good thing about it is you aren't losing a powerful civ.

Lynch Sloonei.

Marmot did it.

[nutella]

wolves are Sloonei, Sloonei, Sloonei, and Sloonei

[Long Con]

Sorry, Daisy, but the way things were going, it was between three people that I had reasons to believe they were Civ.... and you, with your four posts, and slight sketchiness.

[Sloonei]

When I posted a response to Sloonei, that was the first I had seen it and from the typos it should be obvious that was a rushed post in hopes of stopping the insanity.

Seriously, look at this lynch there was some really questionable stuff that went down. And the only good thing about it is you aren't losing a powerful civ.

Lynch Sloonei.

You've read very little of the thread. I don't believe you believe I'm bad. I do believe you are pissed right now, and I think that indicates your town. I think you are blaming me unjustly.

[Sloonei]

Epi or Kyle is bad.

[nutella]

wolves are Sloonei, Sloonei, Sloonei, and Sloonei

not lazar wolf tho he's a good'un

[Epignosis]

Seriously you guys. I just got lynched whenI flat out said I had no time. Lynch SLoonei for sure.

You were here though. I saw you hanging out. Sloonei was building the roof. You were watching.

No I was not here. I literally just got on the site. I may have had a browser page open on my phone or something. But I was not here

This is some straight up bullshit. You guys screwed the pooch

Spacedaisy, your defense post was at 11:55. The Day ended at 11:55. Nobody could do anything for you if they wanted to.

[Long Con]

wolves are Sloonei, Sloonei, Sloonei, and Sloonei

not lazar wolf tho he's a good'un

Depending how this game plays out, I may consider including Lazar Wolf in Mafia: A World Asunder.

[Spacedaisy]

I don't buy it Sloonei, I just don't. Where were the civilian torch bearers when this travesty was going down? Who let's a lynch go down on someone based on three posts when there was 19 pages of shit to analyze? I trust Kyle that's about it. And I am super disappointed he moved. I thought I trusted Epi too, but now I'm not so sure. How did YOU not see through that bullshit?

When have I ever silently sat back and let myself get lynched without saying anything?

Bullshit.

linki: Exactly Epi, why the fuck would I have just watched myself get lynched. I posted the fastest I could.

So ask yourselves, if I was honest about my not having time and being at work, why would it not raise any questions about why you all would lynch someone who is absent?

This is just so much nonsense i can't believe you all fell for it.

Sloonei I absolutely DO believe you are bad.

[Epignosis]

Epi or Kyle is bad.

Kiss my ass daisy dun said you bad

Spoiler: show

Which is Yiddish for "Sloonei is bad."

[Epignosis]

I don't buy it Sloonei, I just don't. Where were the civilian torch bearers when this travesty was going down? Who let's a lynch go down on someone based on three posts when there was 19 pages of shit to analyze? I trust Kyle that's about it. And I am super disappointed he moved. I thought I trusted Epi too, but now I'm not so sure. How did YOU not see through that bullshit?

When have I ever silently sat back and let myself get lynched without saying anything?

Bullshit.

linki: Exactly Epi, why the fuck would I have just watched myself get lynched. I posted the fastest I could.

So ask yourselves, if I was honest about my not having time and being at work, why would it not raise any questions about why you all would lynch someone who is absent?

This is just so much nonsense i can't believe you all fell for it.

Sloonei I absolutely DO believe you are bad.

My vote on Sloonei wouldn't have made any difference. I moved at the very last minute to break a tie.

[Epignosis]

After I "broke the tie" a slew of people had moved, so that was moot, and then the vote ended.

[MacDougall]

I don't buy it Sloonei, I just don't. Where were the civilian torch bearers when this travesty was going down? Who let's a lynch go down on someone based on three posts when there was 19 pages of shit to analyze? I trust Kyle that's about it. And I am super disappointed he moved. I thought I trusted Epi too, but now I'm not so sure. How did YOU not see through that bullshit?

When have I ever silently sat back and let myself get lynched without saying anything?

Bullshit.

linki: Exactly Epi, why the fuck would I have just watched myself get lynched. I posted the fastest I could.

So ask yourselves, if I was honest about my not having time and being at work, why would it not raise any questions about why you all would lynch someone who is absent?

This is just so much nonsense i can't believe you all fell for it.

Sloonei I absolutely DO believe you are bad.

Earnest post. I tried to defend you but I never had a viable candidate to vote for because I civ read both the other guys and I just yeah froze.

[Spacedaisy]

Was it self preservation, because I will forgive that. but I won't forgive you saying you voted me because I sat here and watched my own lynch. That id the most outrageous thing I've ever heard you say.

I never just go down in a lynch. I didn't post because I wasn't here to post.

[Sloonei]

I don't buy it Sloonei, I just don't. Where were the civilian torch bearers when this travesty was going down? Who let's a lynch go down on someone based on three posts when there was 19 pages of shit to analyze? I trust Kyle that's about it. And I am super disappointed he moved. I thought I trusted Epi too, but now I'm not so sure. How did YOU not see through that bullshit?

When have I ever silently sat back and let myself get lynched without saying anything?

Bullshit.

linki: Exactly Epi, why the fuck would I have just watched myself get lynched. I posted the fastest I could.

So ask yourselves, if I was honest about my not having time and being at work, why would it not raise any questions about why you all would lynch someone who is absent?

This is just so much nonsense i can't believe you all fell for it.

Sloonei I absolutely DO believe you are bad.

well then we're even. I was wrong about you, you are wrong about me. sorry you got lynched. I would have been pissed too.

[Kylemii]

Kyle, I'm sorry if I've incorrectly tunneled you. I had multiple reasons to be suspicious of you early in the game and presented these reasons in the thread. I am entirely open to the possibility that my arguments are wrong, but I don't feel like there was ever a thorough discussion of that. I don't agree with the perception of my treatment of you, though you have been my primary suspect today.

Honestly, it's fair. I'm not very good at handling suspicion against me and I tend to lean towards smug dismissal a little too much. I'm also not used to taking an active role in day 0 and 1 discussions. These two phases have put me well out of my comfort zone, and maybe that's good? Maybe I need to actively practice the things I'm really bad at.

Moving forward I will try my best to respond to your worries in the most complete fashion I can. I hope you can continue forward with an open mind in reading my words and behavior.

Linkitis: oh no

[DFaraday]

Day 1 - No Miracle of Miracles Today

Early in the morning, the townsfolk assembled in the center of our village. I had told everyone that a murderer was among us, so we needed to stick together. Like the Good Book says, "Birds of a feather don't get killed."

We wondered whether it was the doing of one of our Gentile neighbors. Then we realized something very, very important. This murder took place on a Sunday, which to them is like a sort of Sabbath. Thus there is no way this crime was committed by a Gentile. One of our own was to blame!

It was about this time, I noticed that Spacedaisy was not with us. She was the only one of the townsfolk not present in our mob! What reason could she have for missing such an important event unless she was the killer!

We stormed her tailor shop, where Daisy was sitting sewing a fancy curtain. Or, maybe not a curtain. That doesn't matter, what matters is we wrapped it around Daisy's neck until her glasses fell off and she collapsed, dead. My daughter Tzeitel burst into tears over her beloved's death. I told her, "You are to marry the butcher, Lazar Wolf. Be happy."



Daisy has been lynched. She was the tailor Motel Kamzoil.

It is now Night 1. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.

[Epignosis]

Was it self preservation, because I will forgive that. but I won't forgive you saying you voted me because I sat here and watched my own lynch. That id the most outrageous thing I've ever heard you say.

I never just go down in a lynch. I didn't post because I wasn't here to post.

It was self-preservation.

[Kylemii]

hey wait actually what the fuck

how many people moved their votes from Sloonei to Daisy in the last minute

[Epignosis]

GOD SAVE SLOONEI

[Epignosis]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

[Epignosis]

"Hey guys he's like my best friend I've known him since I was a teddy"

[nutella]

Awww, I had a feeling when she said she didn't have a great role that she'd be Motel

[Sloonei]

Kyle, I'm sorry if I've incorrectly tunneled you. I had multiple reasons to be suspicious of you early in the game and presented these reasons in the thread. I am entirely open to the possibility that my arguments are wrong, but I don't feel like there was ever a thorough discussion of that. I don't agree with the perception of my treatment of you, though you have been my primary suspect today.

Honestly, it's fair. I'm not very good at handling suspicion against me and I tend to lean towards smug dismissal a little too much. I'm also not used to taking an active role in day 0 and 1 discussions. These two phases have put me well out of my comfort zone, and maybe that's good? Maybe I need to actively practice the things I'm really bad at.

Moving forward I will try my best to respond to your worries in the most complete fashion I can. I hope you can continue forward with an open mind in reading my words and behavior.

Linkitis: oh no

I am more frustrated that my suspicion of you resulted in multiple other people wanting to lynch me. I still do not feel like my primary concerns about you have been satisfactorily addressed and wouldn't mind seeing them discussed. That part was also frustrating. This whole night was just frustrating.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bummer, Daisy.

It's Day 1, we got it wrong, oh well. There's plenty to review and time to regroup.

[Sloonei]

I don't think 3J knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to Sloonei.

You're the one who suspects me.

[MacDougall]

hey wait actually what the fuck

how many people moved their votes from Sloonei to Daisy in the last minute

Enough to make my plan to ambush vote someone invalid.