Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[DharmaHelper]

@Dom @DharmaHelper why would baddie speed contradict my explanation of why I thought he was town?

What explanation was this?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.

Classic civilian response. I will say that the logic is more pro-civilian here than in a round robin where we leave our votes where they are and primarily twiddle our thumbs just to get a flip. Alright.

Argue about the RR and whether alignments change in the future was all he did on Day 1. Dropped a vote on speedchuck as a starter but never finished. Not great.

I'm still feeling somewhat bad about Speedchuck but it's better than yesterday.

I'm feeling worse about Nutella though.

VOTE NUTELLA

aubergine

First I'm hearing about this. Explain pls.

Did you miss the part where I caught Nutella on TMI? There was a dozen posts of people talking about it.

The rest is gut tbh.

I don't agree with this. That TMI accusation was a huge reach, and not believable. I've never seen a Day 1 baddie accidentally confirm that they know a Civ is a Civ. nutella's been playing for a decade, and I'm really comfortable in believing that wasn't a slip.

Although I don't put much stock in the "Epi mouthpiece" thing, S~V~S' observation that nutella is a little sharper-edged than usual is apt. I'm not that great at specific meta recollections, but I know that S~V~S is. Some active corroboration with past nutella games would be better.

Point is, I think DDL is bad, and if he is, then I count it as another strike against nutella, because the TMI accusation, and the callback to it, just strike me as contrived.

I flip the flop on Speedchuck, but he seems a little down right now. Perhaps when I [VOTE: Dragon D Luffy] aubergine he'll cheer up.

What I mean is, I wasn't voting Nutella JUST because of the TMI thing, I was using it to deny Quin's opinion that I hadn't suspected Nutella so far.

I have a mental process that I don't bother to explain because it's not entirely rational. I saw a post from Nutella that I didn't like, talked about it. I saw more posts, didn't like them, voted for her.

[Dom]

Did he change his mind on it?

Because Quin is exactly where he was before.

That is true. Of course, Quin has had enough content from then to now that his read could have gone greener again.

Is a fluctuating read a reliable sign of a baddie?

In your words, pretend you are speedchuck baddie who took a truth serum. Answer, speedchuck, why did you vote for Quin when he's green on both iterations of your rainbow list?

@Dom @DharmaHelper why would baddie speed contradict my explanation of why I thought he was town?

[Dom]

Can someone summarize the case on DDL pls?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ugh I hate this lynch I think speed and ddl both look mostly civ. I trust speed more though so I guess I'll vote for DDL, speed's points against him in the iso post and LC's point about the slip are decent and I think at this point I'd rather vote with speedchuck than throwaway vote outside the two contenders. Looks like shit if speed turns out to be bad, but I don't think he is so I'm taking the gamble here. Not feeling great about it though.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Yes hello waiter I'll have the CYA special with a side of all my bases covered

Whats a CYA

[colonialbob]

Dom DharmaHelper why would baddie speed contradict my explanation of why I thought he was town?

What explanation was this?

This:

Spoiler: show

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

I want to know what you mean by this.

I think your "the other thread had a lynch" was not an assumption.

The fact that you said getting lynched today could prove you're town makes me think the fact that it wasn't an assumption is not because you have BTSC with mafia members in the other thread.

Yikes that's terrible syntax.

I think I know how you know the other thread had a lynch, and it isn't because you were talking to mafiamates in the other thread.

I appreciate that you figured that idea out.

You're wrong though. I've been taking your very approach in calculating my reads, not even very subtly, but you have the wrong target. I will be townsly for a different reason. (Assuming I understand the idea that you're orbiting. I'm tiptoeing with this nasty claiming business.)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

There is literally nothing to justify your turnabout in momentum. You went from "Yeah, I'll hear this guy out, what do you think DH?" to "I agree, he sucks, let's vote him" without ANY new information being added except for an OMGUS vote from DDL.

What OMGUS

I was voting for you before it was cool.

[DharmaHelper]

Ugh I hate this lynch I think speed and ddl both look mostly civ. I trust speed more though so I guess I'll vote for DDL, speed's points against him in the iso post and LC's point about the slip are decent and I think at this point I'd rather vote with speedchuck than throwaway vote outside the two contenders. Looks like shit if speed turns out to be bad, but I don't think he is so I'm taking the gamble here. Not feeling great about it though.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Yes hello waiter I'll have the CYA special with a side of all my bases covered

Whats a CYA

Cover your ass.

[DharmaHelper]

@Cbob I don't understand your original point, or how he contradicted you, so I dunno what to tell ya. Sorry.

[DharmaHelper]

Nevermind I get it now. To answer you, I wouldn't have expected baddie speedchuck or baddie anyone to agree with your assumption. It invites too much tangible scrutiny to go along with a theory like that.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Out of the people voting for LC is the one I say looks like a civ

The other three are undefined. Epi didn't explain it at all (or I didn't find it in his ISO). Nutella is waffling like crazy. Speed made a super detailed post but it reeks of "forced effort" (what is the point in commenting about my posts? Do I look bad for making those?) and oversimplifications (like I haven't made much effort but he basically downplayed everything I did because I didn't actually go strong against people, when I have no obligatiion to).

[Dragon D. Luffy]

the post above is not supposed to be green

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I mean "ot" posts but the forum turned it into a tag

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You know I'll just fix it.

Out of the people voting for LC is the one I say looks like a civ

The other three are undefined. Epi didn't explain it at all (or I didn't find it in his ISO). Nutella is waffling like crazy. Speed made a super detailed post but it reeks of "forced effort" (what is the point in commenting about my OT posts? Do I look bad for making those?) and oversimplifications (like I haven't made much effort but he basically downplayed everything I did because I didn't actually go strong against people, when I have no obligatiion to).

[DharmaHelper]

A tied vote with two hours left in the day

[sprityo]

DDL....who is voting for LC?

Out of the people voting for LC is the one I say looks like a civ

Syntax error? Maybe remove the “for and add a period after “Voting?”

You meant to say LC is the most Civ person voting you right?

[DharmaHelper]

I read it as "Out of the people voting for [me,] LC is the one I say looks like a civ"

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I read it as "Out of the people voting for [me,] LC is the one I say looks like a civ"

this

[Long Con]

Can someone summarize the case on DDL pls?

Here's my take on it:

DDL's ISO didn't look great, and Quin summarized it well:

Spoiler: show

Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.

Classic civilian response. I will say that the logic is more pro-civilian here than in a round robin where we leave our votes where they are and primarily twiddle our thumbs just to get a flip. Alright.

Argue about the RR and whether alignments change in the future was all he did on Day 1. Dropped a vote on speedchuck as a starter but never finished. Not great.

I'm still feeling somewhat bad about Speedchuck but it's better than yesterday.

I'm feeling worse about Nutella though.

VOTE NUTELLA

aubergine

First I'm hearing about this. Explain pls.

... and here's my vote post with some reasoning:

Spoiler: show

Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.

Classic civilian response. I will say that the logic is more pro-civilian here than in a round robin where we leave our votes where they are and primarily twiddle our thumbs just to get a flip. Alright.

Argue about the RR and whether alignments change in the future was all he did on Day 1. Dropped a vote on speedchuck as a starter but never finished. Not great.

I'm still feeling somewhat bad about Speedchuck but it's better than yesterday.

I'm feeling worse about Nutella though.

VOTE NUTELLA

aubergine

First I'm hearing about this. Explain pls.

Did you miss the part where I caught Nutella on TMI? There was a dozen posts of people talking about it.

The rest is gut tbh.

I don't agree with this. That TMI accusation was a huge reach, and not believable. I've never seen a Day 1 baddie accidentally confirm that they know a Civ is a Civ. nutella's been playing for a decade, and I'm really comfortable in believing that wasn't a slip.

Although I don't put much stock in the "Epi mouthpiece" thing, S~V~S' observation that nutella is a little sharper-edged than usual is apt. I'm not that great at specific meta recollections, but I know that S~V~S is. Some active corroboration with past nutella games would be better.

Point is, I think DDL is bad, and if he is, then I count it as another strike against nutella, because the TMI accusation, and the callback to it, just strike me as contrived.

I flip the flop on Speedchuck, but he seems a little down right now. Perhaps when I [VOTE: Dragon D Luffy] aubergine he'll cheer up.

Epi had voted for DDL just before the Quinquote there, so you can see some of his thoughts easily there.

[Long Con]

DDL....who is voting for LC?

Out of the people voting for LC is the one I say looks like a civ

Syntax error? Maybe remove the “for and add a period after “Voting?”

You meant to say LC is the most Civ person voting you right?

LOL yeah I was like "What I have votes?? Wait a sec...."

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Epi seems like he's voting for me for the same readon he voted for Quin yesterday. He needs to save someone (Speed)

Which is fine and dandy but I'm hyped for the moment Epi will actually start scumhunting people.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So I might be leaving in half an hour and missing the rest of EoD if you guys got questions it's now or never

[speedchuck]

Epi seems like he's voting for me for the same readon he voted for Quin yesterday. He needs to save someone (Speed)

Which is fine and dandy but I'm hyped for the moment Epi will actually start scumhunting people.

If Epi was only trying to save me, why would he vote for you instead of DH? I believe each of you had one vote at the time.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Epi seems like he's voting for me for the same readon he voted for Quin yesterday. He needs to save someone (Speed)

Which is fine and dandy but I'm hyped for the moment Epi will actually start scumhunting people.

If Epi was only trying to save me, why would he vote for you instead of DH? I believe each of you had one vote at the time.

Ask him, not me.

[DharmaHelper]

Epi seems like he's voting for me for the same readon he voted for Quin yesterday. He needs to save someone (Speed)

Which is fine and dandy but I'm hyped for the moment Epi will actually start scumhunting people.

I dunno he made a really convincing and not at all ridiculous argument a few posts back about how he was the definitive civ.

[speedchuck]

Questions then, for DDL:

If I'm not scum, who is? Please name 2 or more.
What player would you trust to be town above any others? Not cBob.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Speed and Epi are buddying like crazy tho and I can't see 2 veteran baddies doing that.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Questions then, for DDL:

If I'm not scum, who is? Please name 2 or more.
What player would you trust to be town above any others? Not cBob.

Epi and Nutella

LC and Quin.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Question for you, Speed

What was the point of your question?

[speedchuck]

Question for you, Speed

What was the point of your question?

Trying to feel you out.

My criticism toward you came from you not making stances. I'm asking you to make them. Given that your answers surprised me, I feel... vindicated? IDK.

But the reason is that we have two hours, and if you're town then I don't want you lynched. Mind answering a few more questions for me to solidify where I'm going?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Question for you, Speed

What was the point of your question?

Trying to feel you out.

My criticism toward you came from you not making stances. I'm asking you to make them. Given that your answers surprised me, I feel... vindicated? IDK.

But the reason is that we have two hours, and if you're town then I don't want you lynched. Mind answering a few more questions for me to solidify where I'm going?

I've been giving opinions on people all game. What does the fact I put them in a single post with a pink bow change?

And of course you can ask questions.

[speedchuck]

DDL

Why do you think Scum Epi would defend me if I'm town? If I'm scum?

Nutella is all-but-confirmed town if I am town, as is Sprit. Let me put it that way. What will you do with this info if I flip town? (I know alignment doesn't flip on first death, so just assume I flip town)

linki: The fact that I know who is on the top and bottom of your totem pole matters. :P

[speedchuck]

Also I like pink bows.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

linki: The fact that I know who is on the top and bottom of your totem pole matters. :P

Maybe to you. I rarely do rainbows. I just say stuff.

[speedchuck]

linki: The fact that I know who is on the top and bottom of your totem pole matters. :P

Maybe to you. I rarely do rainbows. I just say stuff.

To me. Sure.

[Golden]

Hi all

The lynch post WILL be late today. Regardless, night will officially begin from the moment the poll ends.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL

Why do you think Scum Epi would defend me if I'm town? If I'm scum?

If you are town, because he needs to defend someone to look like a real person and he decided to pick you because... that's what he came up with?

If you are both scum, I can only see it as part of some crazy gambit... which is not exactly impossible.

Nutella is all-but-confirmed town if I am town, as is Sprit.

Says who? How can you produce any kind of hard evidence from Nutella's waffling? Teach me, master.

Let me put it that way. What will you do with this info if I flip town? (I know alignment doesn't flip on first death, so just assume I flip town)

I'll cross that bridge when I see it. I don't do team analysis without scum flips.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

linki: The fact that I know who is on the top and bottom of your totem pole matters. :P

Maybe to you. I rarely do rainbows. I just say stuff.

To me. Sure.

What do you want? I play loose and say whatever is on my mind, every game. I don't do detailed analysis because I'm afraid of being wrong about them. Why did you choose this game to be bothered about that? You have played plenty of games with civ me and I don't recall you going hard against me.

[speedchuck]

Also [mention]sprityo[/mention] do you think I'm town or scum?

Because if you're going to vote me I'm not gonna waste time feeling out DDL and considering a Hot Potato Vote. (Or a Corn Flake Disaster, if you're used to the old acronym)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also @sprityo do you think I'm town or scum?

Because if you're going to vote me I'm not gonna waste time feeling out DDL and considering a Hot Potato Vote. (Or a Corn Flake Disaster, if you're used to the old acronym)

Well suit yourself, but I intend to keep feeling you out regardless of how that implicates my own survival. That's how a civ should act.

[speedchuck]

DDL

Why do you think Scum Epi would defend me if I'm town? If I'm scum?

If you are town, because he needs to defend someone to look like a real person and he decided to pick you because... that's what he came up with?

If you are both scum, I can only see it as part of some crazy gambit... which is not exactly impossible.

I'm 90% sure Epi is defending me because he's spent the majority of this year, as a host and as a scummate, intently watching me play as scum. And he thinks this isn't it. I think this is more likely than either of your options.

Nutella is all-but-confirmed town if I am town, as is Sprit.

Says who? How can you produce any kind of hard evidence from Nutella's waffling? Teach me, master.

I didn't get it from her waffling. It's not a read. It's a *thing*.

Let me put it that way. What will you do with this info if I flip town? (I know alignment doesn't flip on first death, so just assume I flip town)

I'll cross that bridge when I see it. I don't do team analysis without scum flips.

ok

[speedchuck]

Also @sprityo do you think I'm town or scum?

Because if you're going to vote me I'm not gonna waste time feeling out DDL and considering a Hot Potato Vote. (Or a Corn Flake Disaster, if you're used to the old acronym)

Well suit yourself, but I intend to keep feeling you out regardless of how that implicates my own survival. That's how a civ should act.

I've got another life. Of course I'm going to keep reading you.

But if I'm dying anyway, I'm not gonna treat it like a two-hour-race/urgent-vote-switchy-madness.

[DharmaHelper]

Leave it as a tie.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I didn't get it from her waffling. It's not a read. It's a *thing*.

Unless it's outlawed for being info dumping, start spilling it out. Otherwise your points about Nutella and Sprityo being "all but confirmed" are fake news.

[speedchuck]

I didn't get it from her waffling. It's not a read. It's a *thing*.

Unless it's outlawed for being info dumping, start spilling it out. Otherwise your points about Nutella and Sprityo being "all but confirmed" are fake news.

[sprityo]

Also @sprityo do you think I'm town or scum?

Because if you're going to vote me I'm not gonna waste time feeling out DDL and considering a Hot Potato Vote. (Or a Corn Flake Disaster, if you're used to the old acronym)

I find you both light town, hence why I’m voting DH who I think is least likely town.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Leave it as a tie.

Oh, the naivete of a child who has never seen a CFD before

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also @sprityo do you think I'm town or scum?

Because if you're going to vote me I'm not gonna waste time feeling out DDL and considering a Hot Potato Vote. (Or a Corn Flake Disaster, if you're used to the old acronym)

I find you both light town, hence why I’m voting DH who I think is least likely town.

Who is more town, me or Speed?

[speedchuck]

I mean, it's not EXACTLY info dumping, or I'd be 100% on both of them instead of 95%. If I was legit 100% on either of them I wouldn't even say that, for fear of rule-breakery.

But it'd be against the rules for me to go into more details, yep, yes it would.

[sprityo]

Also @sprityo do you think I'm town or scum?

Because if you're going to vote me I'm not gonna waste time feeling out DDL and considering a Hot Potato Vote. (Or a Corn Flake Disaster, if you're used to the old acronym)

I find you both light town, hence why I’m voting DH who I think is least likely town.

Who is more town, me or Speed?

If you’re asking who i’d choose to save if I absolutely had to? I’d pick Speedchuck as of this post