Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[DharmaHelper]

Rule #9 is just cruel in retrospect.

9) Remember that you are champions. You are THE champions. Of 2017. No time for losers. You've paid your dues. You kept on fighting until the end. Sure, some of you made some bad mistakes along the way (I bet Long Con did).

[Dom]

I don't think LC's alignment is even dependent on his telling the truth at this point.

Says the guy who actually slipped.

....I don't need to know information is true to question how you seem to know something I do not.

[DharmaHelper]

Does anyone think the Hosts told LC about a secret game mechanic (the existence of tribes in the GOC) in a chat on Facebook with MP, who presumably was also eligible for this game, having had 6 wins in 2017? Really?

If so, I am a tad annoyed at Jules, who is actually a friend, for not including me in this little conversation

Why can't you acknowledge the fact that every single player knew about Tribes from the moment the game began? You calling it a "secret game mechanic", in that light, is just not accurate. And we weren't huddled together, discussing GOC 2017, we were chatting about other stuff, and juliets was like "that could be a tribe name!" I hate that you keep painting as you have been, because it's not at all accurate. If you're worried that there's some behind-the-scenes stuff going on between hosts and players that in any way affects or disrupts the game, then I give you my 100% assurance that there was not.

It was a secret before the game. No one knew about it, we were all surprised when it happened. Becasue Golden did not tell anyone about it becasue it was a secret. Once the game started, no it wasn't. But you are claiming this happened before the game when it WAS a secret.

Funny enough, secrets before the game don't affect the game much.

If I was running a game with LC in it, and the game had item elections every day (not written in the host post), I'd have no problem revealing that secret to him.

I think Golden would though.

Everything he is saying the hosts did is utterly NOT what either of them would do. Ever.

There is a simple way to resolve this. LC is a graphics guy, he knows how to take a screenshot.

Pictures or it didn't happen.

I decided to play this, worried I could not handle an adversarial situation with a few people, and lo, it has come to pass. So I am going to walk away for at least today, maybe even tomorrow. I will check periodically for those pictures, though.

linki, NOT A SEMANTICS SECRET. No one knew there were tribes before the game started. Discussing tribe names with you when no one knew there were tribes was discussing ACTUAL secrets. You got caught. Stop trying to make other people feel stupid for saying so.

I am sorry about the adversarial nature of our conversations. I don't want to upset you.

Admittedly, you know Golden better than I do.
I don't think LC can provide pics, in the spirit of the game. He would need to ask the host first.
I disagree with your linki. Alas, no remedy for that, for I understand what you are saying. But I think there is a difference.

I'm certain she means me even though I've explicitly stated I actively avoided making her upset because I care. But them's the brakes. Guess I'll always be an asshole. No wonder I don't play anymore games. Oh, I've made myself sad.

[DharmaHelper]

I guarantee you Cerberus Tribe haven't had even a forth the fun we've had over here.

[Long Con]

Rule #9 is just cruel in retrospect.

9) Remember that you are champions. You are THE champions. Of 2017. No time for losers. You've paid your dues. You kept on fighting until the end. Sure, some of you made some bad mistakes along the way (I bet Long Con did).

[DharmaHelper]

Fourth* Sorry.

[Long Con]

I don't think LC's alignment is even dependent on his telling the truth at this point.

Says the guy who actually slipped.

....I don't need to know information is true to question how you seem to know something I do not.

That's just circumstantial evidence pointing to you being bad, though it's weak like you say.

You slipped because you revealed that you are bad with DDL, the other vote-manipulation role that we know. You suggested that there might be a Civ vote manipulator for "game balance", which PROVES that you know DDL wasn't a Civ vote-manipulator.

[Long Con]

Fourth* Sorry.

Funny that you wouldn't have just said "quarter" like normal people do.

[Dom]

I don't think LC's alignment is even dependent on his telling the truth at this point.

Says the guy who actually slipped.

....I don't need to know information is true to question how you seem to know something I do not.

That's just circumstantial evidence pointing to you being bad, though it's weak like you say.

You slipped because you revealed that you are bad with DDL, the other vote-manipulation role that we know. You suggested that there might be a Civ vote manipulator for "game balance", which PROVES that you know DDL wasn't a Civ vote-manipulator.

...no

[Epignosis]

Damn it, I was going to suggest a screenshot of the exchange since Facebook messenger saves conversations. Except that LC could probably Photoshop that shit.

[Long Con]

I don't think LC's alignment is even dependent on his telling the truth at this point.

Says the guy who actually slipped.

....I don't need to know information is true to question how you seem to know something I do not.

That's just circumstantial evidence pointing to you being bad, though it's weak like you say.

You slipped because you revealed that you are bad with DDL, the other vote-manipulation role that we know. You suggested that there might be a Civ vote manipulator for "game balance", which PROVES that you know DDL wasn't a Civ vote-manipulator.

...no

...yeah

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm not caught up but even if we are mostly sure LC 1.0 are bad, I'm not sure if I agree that the second LC is confirmed bad. Did we get confirmation that the evolution thing had to do with roles? Because I doubt the hosts would give away a mafioso that easily.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm not caught up but even if we are mostly sure LC 1.0 are bad, I'm not sure if I agree that the second LC is confirmed bad. Did we get confirmation that the evolution thing had to do with roles? Because I doubt the hosts would give away a mafioso that easily.

If the consensus is that LC1 was bad then LC2 would have to be by nature of the fact that mafia roles don't change alignment.

[speedchuck]

I'm not caught up but even if we are mostly sure LC 1.0 are bad, I'm not sure if I agree that the second LC is confirmed bad. Did we get confirmation that the evolution thing had to do with roles? Because I doubt the hosts would give away a mafioso that easily.

If the first LC is bad BECAUSE of the slip, then it's because he had BTSC. Explain how he could be town after BTSCing all over the place with his mates. Even if you think mafia roles can change, this is based on BTSC and lies about BTSC, supposedly.

That said, I don't think he's bad anymore.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Well I do think mafia roles can change, but Speed's argument is good.

I'll catch up first before voting tho.

Later.

[DharmaHelper]

Got a whole day of this to wade through tomorrow.

[Epignosis]

I've thought it over and thought it over all day.

But no.

I'm officially calling bullshit.

Adding MP to the story is one of those odd, unnecessary details a good liar would add to make the story seem more authentic. MP is conveniently not a participant in this game, so he can't confirm or deny. On top of that, MP has been preoccupied lately with obtaining gainful employment.

I do not believe that Golden, juliets, Long Con, and MP were all on Facebook at the same time having a conversation, which is what Long Con's story requires you to believe ("we bounced ideas off each other"), and I don't believe that the topic of Tribes for the Game of Champions game came up.

juliets is a highly discreet person (I don't even know her real name). juliets doesn't strike me as a Pokemon person, so why would she come up with the name Pikachu for a tribe?

MP is an insanely busy person.

And Golden lives in fucking Australia.

This is bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit, and if it's true, I will give up drinking aubergine wine for the rest of my life.

[Epignosis]

Or New Zealand. Whatever.

I see you judging me down there.

[DharmaHelper]

Or New Zealand. Whatever.

I see you judging me down there.

G'day mate.

[Golden]

Or New Zealand. Whatever.

I see you judging me down there.

Arbitrary modkills are not beneath me

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[speedchuck]

I've thought it over and thought it over all day.

But no.

I'm officially calling bullshit.

Adding MP to the story is one of those odd, unnecessary details a good liar would add to make the story seem more authentic. MP is conveniently not a participant in this game, so he can't confirm or deny. On top of that, MP has been preoccupied lately with obtaining gainful employment.

I do not believe that Golden, juliets, Long Con, and MP were all on Facebook at the same time having a conversation, which is what Long Con's story requires you to believe ("we bounced ideas off each other"), and I don't believe that the topic of Tribes for the Game of Champions game came up.

juliets is a highly discreet person (I don't even know her real name). juliets doesn't strike me as a Pokemon person, so why would she come up with the name Pikachu for a tribe?

MP is an insanely busy person.

And Golden lives in fucking Australia.

This is bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit, and if it's true, I will give up drinking aubergine wine for the rest of my life.

I mean, this is fine, but you calling LC a good liar when it resulted in this mess is pretty inconsistent.

But whatev. I'm cool with the lynch either way. We'll be figuring out a lot of stuff.

[Epignosis]

He's a bold liar too.

[Quin]

Does anyone think the Hosts told LC about a secret game mechanic (the existence of tribes in the GOC) in a chat on Facebook with MP, who presumably was also eligible for this game, having had 6 wins in 2017? Really?

If so, I am a tad annoyed at Jules, who is actually a friend, for not including me in this little conversation

No. I don't think I can let that go. But if he's telling the truth then he's being lynched for literally the worst possible reason. This isn't a very fun day phase.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[DharmaHelper]

Does anyone think the Hosts told LC about a secret game mechanic (the existence of tribes in the GOC) in a chat on Facebook with MP, who presumably was also eligible for this game, having had 6 wins in 2017? Really?

If so, I am a tad annoyed at Jules, who is actually a friend, for not including me in this little conversation

No. I don't think I can let that go. But if he's telling the truth then he's being lynched for literally the worst possible reason. This isn't a very fun day phase.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

You're telling me.

[sprityo]

A slow day no doubt, hopefully this provides insight for us.

I see no real counter arguement LC could really make, Epi and Dom are railing him pretty hard. And as much as i normally like to give a chance, i think occams razor is right on this one

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Long Con]

Ha ha ok yes everyone wants to vote me we already knew this.

Can we please talk about Dom's slip? Someone post Crazy Pills for me!

[sprityo]

Ha ha ok yes everyone wants to vote me we already knew this.

Can we please talk about Dom's slip? Someone post Crazy Pills for me!

im here to listen friendo

tell me about this slip

[Long Con]

What? I've talked about it more than once, I shoved it in Dom's face and he said "...no"

[sprityo]

alright let me look back

[Epignosis]

Ha ha ok yes everyone wants to vote me we already knew this.

Can we please talk about Dom's slip? Someone post Crazy Pills for me!

Dom expressed the exact thing I thought but didn't post.

If I had posted what Dom did (and I almost did), you would be calling me bad.

Bullshit.

[Long Con]

Ha ha ok yes everyone wants to vote me we already knew this.

Can we please talk about Dom's slip? Someone post Crazy Pills for me!

Dom expressed the exact thing I thought but didn't post.

If I had posted what Dom did (and I almost did), you would be calling me bad.

Bullshit.

Do you think Dom is Civ?

[sprityo]

"You slipped because you revealed that you are bad with DDL, the other vote-manipulation role that we know. You suggested that there might be a Civ vote manipulator for "game balance", which PROVES that you know DDL wasn't a Civ vote-manipulator."

this I assume? let me find the post Dom made regarding this.

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I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.



Oh, is LC bad for pointing out that? @DharmaHelper

(he's bad for other reasons, sure)

V.S.

The one who noticed the other tribe's name is the one who already knew it. I guarantee you that Dom is on a baddie team.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

This is weak sauce.
I didn't know. I thought you seemed to. And you confirmed it.
Plenty of excuses out there... you chose the worst of them.

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that looks like the two sides im seeing rn

[Epignosis]

Ha ha ok yes everyone wants to vote me we already knew this.

Can we please talk about Dom's slip? Someone post Crazy Pills for me!

Dom expressed the exact thing I thought but didn't post.

If I had posted what Dom did (and I almost did), you would be calling me bad.

Bullshit.

Do you think Dom is Civ?

Yep.

[sprityo]

It's a more reasonable solution for me to go with LC misstep as opposed to Dom makes an opinion

the reasons why your statement is harder to go with has already been said LC, and if it's all true, then man does that suck

[Long Con]

How the fuck do you not see this as a slip??

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

I guess Dom just forgot about DDL? Or does Dom just, as a Civ, so convinced DDL is bad that he meant it that way?

Like, fuck, I get that you think I'm bad but that doesn't mean you just have to shit on my suspicions. This one is pretty significant.

[Epignosis]

How the fuck do you not see this as a slip??

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

I guess Dom just forgot about DDL? Or does Dom just, as a Civ, so convinced DDL is bad that he meant it that way?

Like, fuck, I get that you think I'm bad but that doesn't mean you just have to shit on my suspicions. This one is pretty significant.

Speculation is not a slip.

Watch this:

"I wouldn't be too surprised if there are two mafia teams in this game."

Explain to me how that was a slip.

What you just did was confirm that YOU knew DDL's first role was a civilian role.

See how that works?

You are BAD.

[Long Con]

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I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.



Oh, is LC bad for pointing out that? @DharmaHelper

(he's bad for other reasons, sure)

V.S.

The one who noticed the other tribe's name is the one who already knew it. I guarantee you that Dom is on a baddie team.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

This is weak sauce.
I didn't know. I thought you seemed to. And you confirmed it.
Plenty of excuses out there... you chose the worst of them.

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that looks like the two sides im seeing rn

I don't understand why you are bringing up the second thing here. I thought I was clear that I GET THAT YOU ARE VOTING FOR ME.

[Long Con]

How the fuck do you not see this as a slip??

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

I guess Dom just forgot about DDL? Or does Dom just, as a Civ, so convinced DDL is bad that he meant it that way?

Like, fuck, I get that you think I'm bad but that doesn't mean you just have to shit on my suspicions. This one is pretty significant.

Speculation is not a slip.

Watch this:

"I wouldn't be too surprised if there are two mafia teams in this game."

Explain to me how that was a slip.

What you just did was confirm that YOU knew DDL's first role was a civilian role.

See how that works?

You are BAD.

You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

[DharmaHelper]

[Long Con]

thank you

[DharmaHelper]

How the fuck do you not see this as a slip??

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

I guess Dom just forgot about DDL? Or does Dom just, as a Civ, so convinced DDL is bad that he meant it that way?

Like, fuck, I get that you think I'm bad but that doesn't mean you just have to shit on my suspicions. This one is pretty significant.

Speculation is not a slip.

Watch this:

"I wouldn't be too surprised if there are two mafia teams in this game."

Explain to me how that was a slip.

What you just did was confirm that YOU knew DDL's first role was a civilian role.

See how that works?

You are BAD.

Not quite the same thing but at this point I have no desire or energy anymore to argue with anyone.

[Epignosis]

You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Am I using bad logic?

Let's ask Bobby.

[Long Con]

You absolutely are. But I've been down this road with you before, tasted this particular flavour of inexplicable placid illogic, and I have already come to the conclusion that you cannot understand certain things, so it's pointless to try.

[Golden]

As much as I completely understand the reasons for the tensions in this phase, please all remember Jay is there for the vent when you're frustrated at how others are playing and try not to let it stray over the line.

[Long Con]

How the fuck do you not see this as a slip??

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

I guess Dom just forgot about DDL? Or does Dom just, as a Civ, so convinced DDL is bad that he meant it that way?

Like, fuck, I get that you think I'm bad but that doesn't mean you just have to shit on my suspicions. This one is pretty significant.

Speculation is not a slip.

Watch this:

"I wouldn't be too surprised if there are two mafia teams in this game."

Explain to me how that was a slip.

What you just did was confirm that YOU knew DDL's first role was a civilian role.

See how that works?

You are BAD.

Not quite the same thing but at this point I have no desire or energy anymore to argue with anyone.

I appreciate the support, and understand the aversion.

[Long Con]

As much as I completely understand the reasons for the tensions in this phase, please all remember Jay is there for the vent when you're frustrated at how others are playing and try not to let it stray over the line.

Brother, I am ice cold, and we both know that Epi is probably the best equipped on the forum to "take it". We're all still little Fonzies here, right Ep?

[Epignosis]

You absolutely are. But I've been down this road with you before, tasted this particular flavour of inexplicable placid illogic, and I have already come to the conclusion that you cannot understand certain things, so it's pointless to try.

I gave a good long hard thought to your alleged conversation with the hosts.

I concluded it was bullshit.

Therefore everything else you say to me is bullshit.

I don't believe you, so I don't care what you call my logic.

[Epignosis]

As much as I completely understand the reasons for the tensions in this phase, please all remember Jay is there for the vent when you're frustrated at how others are playing and try not to let it stray over the line.

Brother, I am ice cold, and we both know that Epi is probably the best equipped on the forum to "take it". We're all still little Fonzies here, right Ep?

Eyyyyyyyyyyyy

[DharmaHelper]

I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.