Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Long Con]

See, the reason why that is foolish is that you aren't considering that every Game of Champions before has had two baddie teams.

So, even if you think I'm bad, that doesn't mean that I am not trying to hunt baddies on the other team.

Therefore everything I say is not necessarily bullshit.

We'll discuss your logic again. Next time.

[Golden]

As much as I completely understand the reasons for the tensions in this phase, please all remember Jay is there for the vent when you're frustrated at how others are playing and try not to let it stray over the line.

Brother, I am ice cold, and we both know that Epi is probably the best equipped on the forum to "take it". We're all still little Fonzies here, right Ep?

I'm sure he can. But I'm also very conscious of everyone here; the site culture expectations don't only apply for the people who 'can't' take it. So please remain conscious of the line.

[Epignosis]

See, the reason why that is foolish is that you aren't considering that every Game of Champions before has had two baddie teams.

So, even if you think I'm bad, that doesn't mean that I am not trying to hunt baddies on the other team.

Therefore everything I say is not necessarily bullshit.

We'll discuss your logic again. Next time.

We'll discuss it once you're lynched.

[Long Con]

I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

[Long Con]

See, the reason why that is foolish is that you aren't considering that every Game of Champions before has had two baddie teams.

So, even if you think I'm bad, that doesn't mean that I am not trying to hunt baddies on the other team.

Therefore everything I say is not necessarily bullshit.

We'll discuss your logic again. Next time.

We'll discuss it once you're lynched.

Really? I'd appreciate that, that's a step up from your previous arrogant dismissal. You are my friend.

[DharmaHelper]

I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

I tried to get people to see that you might be good all day today, no bites. I'd rather put my vote on you then waste it somewhere else. Hopefully after you get lynched and the dust settles the thread can move on.

[Epignosis]

I'm quite willing to consider that Long Con is good. I thought about it all day. I don't believe it. Sorry.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm quite willing to consider that Long Con is good. I thought about it all day. I don't believe it. Sorry.

Apology accepted.

[DharmaHelper]

I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

YOU told me we'd live happily on a farm with all the retired puppies. Just you, me, and the other three members of our final five! ENJOYING PUPPIES!

NOW WHO HAS NO HONOR

[Long Con]

I'm quite willing to consider that Long Con is good. I thought about it all day. I don't believe it. Sorry.

Apology accepted.

Says you!

I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

I tried to get people to see that you might be good all day today, no bites. I'd rather put my vote on you then waste it somewhere else. Hopefully after you get lynched and the dust settles the thread can move on.

You will never be able to move on from my lynch. It will haunt you all through this game and into the next.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm quite willing to consider that Long Con is good. I thought about it all day. I don't believe it. Sorry.

Apology accepted.

Says you!

I already hate Epi and LC irredeemably there's nothing Jay could say that would lessen the sting.

YOU said you'd give me a chance if I wanted to try and convince you. Then you said you want a hot case to be convinced. Then I gave you a legit slip from Dom, and still your vote just sits on me.

You have no honour.

I tried to get people to see that you might be good all day today, no bites. I'd rather put my vote on you then waste it somewhere else. Hopefully after you get lynched and the dust settles the thread can move on.

You will never be able to move on from my lynch. It will haunt you all through this game and into the next.

Hell yeah, I'm retired

[Dom]

You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Here's why your theory is bullshit.

You are taking the meaning of my sentence "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." to be:
"There is a vote manipulator who is a civ, in addition to LC"
Meaning that I am a baddie who knows LC... is the bad vote manipulator... but that would require me ot be on the same team as LC.. so I railroaded my teammate out of the blue and now he's trying to take me down and got one of the biggest civ reads of the thread (DH) on his side for it???

OR

"I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well."
means that "I think it makes sense for the civs to have a vote manipulator too, I think DDL might have been that person given your role stinks to high hell"

Y'all can make a choice. But the first one is just about the laziest no u I've ever seen.

[Dom]

DH:

spends the day railing against me
spends the day defending lc
votes for lc

[DharmaHelper]

DH:

spends the day railing against me
spends the day defending lc
votes for lc

I'd strike the first bulletin from your list there, and amend "defending LC" to "Considering LC might be civ."

[Dom]

If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

ok

[DharmaHelper]

If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

ok

Doesn't disprove my point, but sure.

[Long Con]

You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Here's why your theory is bullshit.

You are taking the meaning of my sentence "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." to be:
"There is a vote manipulator who is a civ, in addition to LC"
Meaning that I am a baddie who knows LC... is the bad vote manipulator... but that would require me ot be on the same team as LC.. so I railroaded my teammate out of the blue and now he's trying to take me down and got one of the biggest civ reads of the thread (DH) on his side for it???

OR

"I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well."
means that "I think it makes sense for the civs to have a vote manipulator too, I think DDL might have been that person given your role stinks to high hell"

Y'all can make a choice. But the first one is just about the laziest no u I've ever seen.

I don't think you really understand the accusation?

[Quin]

No reason that LC couldn't have slipped, realised, and then told his scumbuddy Dom to bus him while LC pushes hard against him for that extra bit of civ credit.

Just one possibility of many.

[Long Con]

No reason that LC couldn't have slipped, realised, and then told his scumbuddy Dom to bus him while LC pushes hard against him for that extra bit of civ credit.

Just one possibility of many.

Wow, you're so zen.

[Quin]

it's not a possibility i actually believe in, but still.

[S~V~S]

I'm certain she means me even though I've explicitly stated I actively avoided making her upset because I care. But them's the brakes. Guess I'll always be an asshole. No wonder I don't play anymore games. Oh, I've made myself sad.

Actually, I don't mean you. I don't know if that makes it better or worse for you but there it is.

I should not have said that, regardless, and my apologies to all for having said it. I was frustrated, and not having played for some time, I did not handle it as well as I could have, and I am sorry I said it and it will not happen again.

Damn it, I was going to suggest a screenshot of the exchange since Facebook messenger saves conversations. Except that LC could probably Photoshop that shit.

I did suggest it yesterday, the last post I made. Iwas reluctant for the reasons you are, too.

If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

Why? Becasue I know the difference between "railroading" and "not allowing myself to be distracted by extraneous arguments"?

When someone who is a very good talker has their back against the wall, and the thing keeping them there is something hard to get around, they will seek any avenue to get around that thing. I know this becasue, Like LC, like you, I am also a good talker when my back is up against the wall, and when I am bad I want them to look at ANYTHING other than the big ugly truth bomb sitting in front of me. So as far as I am concerned it is a civvies job to not forget the main issue, whatever it is pinning that person to that wall. You can take the other stuff into account, since it might make a difference, but never forget that main issue.

This is part of the reason I get the "tunnelvision' thing all the time. But I think I have a well over than 50% success rate, so I will live with it.

In this case, LC's role may or may not be civ. Good arguments can be made for either side of that.

Dom may well be bad, and I am not going to defend him. The last two times I defended Dom, he was an SK. Not happening again, I love that boy, but no one fools me like Dom.

BUT neither of these points change the main reason I think LC is bad. His story is just unbelievable. I don't believe it. I don't want to bring down the wrath of Golden again, but for reasons, I don't think the scenario he brought to us is something that happened. It defies what I know of the people he says were involved.

And I kept bringing it up while he was weaving all of these other shiny webs of doubt to remind people of why we thought he was bad in the first place. If the arguments he had made addressed that, that would be one thing. But they were diversions that had no bearing on that basic thing. Dom might be bad, LCs role could be either a civ or a bad role. That doesn't mean the hosts told him on Facebook about game secrets, like the existence of tribes.

Do I believe his story? No. And does maybe Dom being bad or maybe LCs role could be civ make me believe it more? No. So I am going to keep pointing that out. Yup, Dom could be bad, and LCs role could work for a civ or a baddie, but you know, that Facebook story, that sounds like bullshit to me.

That is not railroading somebody, and I am disappoint that you seem to think that it is, to the point of posting giant red memes and implying I am bad for doing so.

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

I'm certain she means me even though I've explicitly stated I actively avoided making her upset because I care. But them's the brakes. Guess I'll always be an asshole. No wonder I don't play anymore games. Oh, I've made myself sad.

Actually, I don't mean you. I don't know if that makes it better or worse for you but there it is.

I should not have said that, regardless, and my apologies to all for having said it. I was frustrated, and not having played for some time, I did not handle it as well as I could have, and I am sorry I said it and it will not happen again.

Damn it, I was going to suggest a screenshot of the exchange since Facebook messenger saves conversations. Except that LC could probably Photoshop that shit.

I did suggest it yesterday, the last post I made. Iwas reluctant for the reasons you are, too.

If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

Why? Becasue I know the difference between "railroading" and "not allowing myself to be distracted by extraneous arguments"?

When someone who is a very good talker has their back against the wall, and the thing keeping them there is something hard to get around, they will seek any avenue to get around that thing. I know this becasue, Like LC, like you, I am also a good talker when my back is up against the wall, and when I am bad I want them to look at ANYTHING other than the big ugly truth bomb sitting in front of me. So as far as I am concerned it is a civvies job to not forget the main issue, whatever it is pinning that person to that wall. You can take the other stuff into account, since it might make a difference, but never forget that main issue.

This is part of the reason I get the "tunnelvision' thing all the time. But I think I have a well over than 50% success rate, so I will live with it.

In this case, LC's role may or may not be civ. Good arguments can be made for either side of that.

Dom may well be bad, and I am not going to defend him. The last two times I defended Dom, he was an SK. Not happening again, I love that boy, but no one fools me like Dom.

BUT neither of these points change the main reason I think LC is bad. His story is just unbelievable. I don't believe it. I don't want to bring down the wrath of Golden again, but for reasons, I don't think the scenario he brought to us is something that happened. It defies what I know of the people he says were involved.

And I kept bringing it up while he was weaving all of these other shiny webs of doubt to remind people of why we thought he was bad in the first place. If the arguments he had made addressed that, that would be one thing. But they were diversions that had no bearing on that basic thing. Dom might be bad, LCs role could be either a civ or a bad role. That doesn't mean the hosts told him on Facebook about game secrets, like the existence of tribes.

Do I believe his story? No. And does maybe Dom being bad or maybe LCs role could be civ make me believe it more? No. So I am going to keep pointing that out. Yup, Dom could be bad, and LCs role could work for a civ or a baddie, but you know, that Facebook story, that sounds like bullshit to me.

That is not railroading somebody, and I am disappoint that you seem to think that it is, to the point of posting giant red memes and implying I am bad for doing so.

Railroading, tunneling, call it what you want I don't really mind. You killed any skepticism of his innocence any time it was brought up.

If LC flips bad it won't clear Dom but it might clear you. If He flips civ, it means trouble for both you and Dom IMO, as far as my suspicion goes.

[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

I'm certain she means me even though I've explicitly stated I actively avoided making her upset because I care. But them's the brakes. Guess I'll always be an asshole. No wonder I don't play anymore games. Oh, I've made myself sad.

Actually, I don't mean you. I don't know if that makes it better or worse for you but there it is.

I should not have said that, regardless, and my apologies to all for having said it. I was frustrated, and not having played for some time, I did not handle it as well as I could have, and I am sorry I said it and it will not happen again.

Damn it, I was going to suggest a screenshot of the exchange since Facebook messenger saves conversations. Except that LC could probably Photoshop that shit.

I did suggest it yesterday, the last post I made. Iwas reluctant for the reasons you are, too.

If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

Why? Becasue I know the difference between "railroading" and "not allowing myself to be distracted by extraneous arguments"?

When someone who is a very good talker has their back against the wall, and the thing keeping them there is something hard to get around, they will seek any avenue to get around that thing. I know this becasue, Like LC, like you, I am also a good talker when my back is up against the wall, and when I am bad I want them to look at ANYTHING other than the big ugly truth bomb sitting in front of me. So as far as I am concerned it is a civvies job to not forget the main issue, whatever it is pinning that person to that wall. You can take the other stuff into account, since it might make a difference, but never forget that main issue.

This is part of the reason I get the "tunnelvision' thing all the time. But I think I have a well over than 50% success rate, so I will live with it.

In this case, LC's role may or may not be civ. Good arguments can be made for either side of that.

Dom may well be bad, and I am not going to defend him. The last two times I defended Dom, he was an SK. Not happening again, I love that boy, but no one fools me like Dom.

BUT neither of these points change the main reason I think LC is bad. His story is just unbelievable. I don't believe it. I don't want to bring down the wrath of Golden again, but for reasons, I don't think the scenario he brought to us is something that happened. It defies what I know of the people he says were involved.

And I kept bringing it up while he was weaving all of these other shiny webs of doubt to remind people of why we thought he was bad in the first place. If the arguments he had made addressed that, that would be one thing. But they were diversions that had no bearing on that basic thing. Dom might be bad, LCs role could be either a civ or a bad role. That doesn't mean the hosts told him on Facebook about game secrets, like the existence of tribes.

Do I believe his story? No. And does maybe Dom being bad or maybe LCs role could be civ make me believe it more? No. So I am going to keep pointing that out. Yup, Dom could be bad, and LCs role could work for a civ or a baddie, but you know, that Facebook story, that sounds like bullshit to me.

That is not railroading somebody, and I am disappoint that you seem to think that it is, to the point of posting giant red memes and implying I am bad for doing so.

Railroading, tunneling, call it what you want I don't really mind. You killed any skepticism of his innocence any time it was brought up.

If LC flips bad it won't clear Dom but it might clear you. If He flips civ, it means trouble for both you and Dom IMO, as far as my suspicion goes.

Railroading is falsely accusing an innocent person. Tunnelling is focusing (sometimes excessively) on something.

"Railroading" implies baddieness

"Tunnelling" implies stubbornness or OCD (in my case it is both, lol)

Not at ALL the same thing and you know it. You do semantics better than almost anyone I have ever played with, probably not even "almost".

And that was my point, killing any skepticism of his innocence. I wanted to remind people of why we suspected him in the first place. Had he addressed that satisfactorily (and he could have if it were true) I would have STFU. But he tried to deflect to someone else, he tried to come up with very plausible scenarios as to why he could be civ. He did not satisfactorily explain the main reason everyone thought he was civvie in the first place.

I find opposing LC in thread hard because he is very very good, and I was incredibly happy most of the game thinking we were on the same side. Opposing him is not something I enjoy or would want to do. Had I been bad and wanted to get rid of LC, I would have NKed him, not tried to lynch him. I think he knows this is true. I think YOU know this is true.

I believe with all of my heart that he is bad. If he isn't he will have my sincerest apology. But I am firmly believe it.

[S~V~S]

*Thought he was NOT civvie in the first place.

[Long Con]

Aren't you guys worried about the other tribe becoming more powerful than us?

[speedchuck]

No reason that LC couldn't have slipped, realised, and then told his scumbuddy Dom to bus him while LC pushes hard against him for that extra bit of civ credit.

Just one possibility of many.

Doubt it. LC's flip comes with too many townfirms.

[speedchuck]

You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Here's why your theory is bullshit.

You are taking the meaning of my sentence "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." to be:
"There is a vote manipulator who is a civ, in addition to LC"
Meaning that I am a baddie who knows LC... is the bad vote manipulator... but that would require me ot be on the same team as LC.. so I railroaded my teammate out of the blue and now he's trying to take me down and got one of the biggest civ reads of the thread (DH) on his side for it???

OR

"I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well."
means that "I think it makes sense for the civs to have a vote manipulator too, I think DDL might have been that person given your role stinks to high hell"

Y'all can make a choice. But the first one is just about the laziest no u I've ever seen.

That... isn't exactly what LC's theory said. At all.

LC said that you, being on the scumteam (or other scumteam), said "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." in the context of talking about LC. In doing so, wording-wise, you completely ignored the existence of DDL, a vote manipulator likely unaligned with LC. LC posits that you ignored DDL because you know he's scum.

I think.

It's not an airtight scumslip, but you did word it oddly.
LC would be better off explaining the slip, but that's the direction I thought it was going in.

[Long Con]

I'm baffled that people are having trouble understanding the accusation. Truly baffled.

[Dom]

Spoiler: show

I'm certain she means me even though I've explicitly stated I actively avoided making her upset because I care. But them's the brakes. Guess I'll always be an asshole. No wonder I don't play anymore games. Oh, I've made myself sad.

Actually, I don't mean you. I don't know if that makes it better or worse for you but there it is.

I should not have said that, regardless, and my apologies to all for having said it. I was frustrated, and not having played for some time, I did not handle it as well as I could have, and I am sorry I said it and it will not happen again.

Damn it, I was going to suggest a screenshot of the exchange since Facebook messenger saves conversations. Except that LC could probably Photoshop that shit.

I did suggest it yesterday, the last post I made. Iwas reluctant for the reasons you are, too.

If what's been discussed today had been discussed yesterday I would have lynched either Dom or SVS tbh.

Why? Becasue I know the difference between "railroading" and "not allowing myself to be distracted by extraneous arguments"?

When someone who is a very good talker has their back against the wall, and the thing keeping them there is something hard to get around, they will seek any avenue to get around that thing. I know this becasue, Like LC, like you, I am also a good talker when my back is up against the wall, and when I am bad I want them to look at ANYTHING other than the big ugly truth bomb sitting in front of me. So as far as I am concerned it is a civvies job to not forget the main issue, whatever it is pinning that person to that wall. You can take the other stuff into account, since it might make a difference, but never forget that main issue.

This is part of the reason I get the "tunnelvision' thing all the time. But I think I have a well over than 50% success rate, so I will live with it.

In this case, LC's role may or may not be civ. Good arguments can be made for either side of that.

Dom may well be bad, and I am not going to defend him. The last two times I defended Dom, he was an SK. Not happening again, I love that boy, but no one fools me like Dom.

BUT neither of these points change the main reason I think LC is bad. His story is just unbelievable. I don't believe it. I don't want to bring down the wrath of Golden again, but for reasons, I don't think the scenario he brought to us is something that happened. It defies what I know of the people he says were involved.

And I kept bringing it up while he was weaving all of these other shiny webs of doubt to remind people of why we thought he was bad in the first place. If the arguments he had made addressed that, that would be one thing. But they were diversions that had no bearing on that basic thing. Dom might be bad, LCs role could be either a civ or a bad role. That doesn't mean the hosts told him on Facebook about game secrets, like the existence of tribes.

Do I believe his story? No. And does maybe Dom being bad or maybe LCs role could be civ make me believe it more? No. So I am going to keep pointing that out. Yup, Dom could be bad, and LCs role could work for a civ or a baddie, but you know, that Facebook story, that sounds like bullshit to me.

That is not railroading somebody, and I am disappoint that you seem to think that it is, to the point of posting giant red memes and implying I am bad for doing so.

Railroading, tunneling, call it what you want I don't really mind. You killed any skepticism of his innocence any time it was brought up.

If LC flips bad it won't clear Dom but it might clear you. If He flips civ, it means trouble for both you and Dom IMO, as far as my suspicion goes.

Why would SVS be cleared at all?

You are bad at logic. I'm not going to get into it with you again.

Here's why your theory is bullshit.

You are taking the meaning of my sentence "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." to be:
"There is a vote manipulator who is a civ, in addition to LC"
Meaning that I am a baddie who knows LC... is the bad vote manipulator... but that would require me ot be on the same team as LC.. so I railroaded my teammate out of the blue and now he's trying to take me down and got one of the biggest civ reads of the thread (DH) on his side for it???

OR

"I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well."
means that "I think it makes sense for the civs to have a vote manipulator too, I think DDL might have been that person given your role stinks to high hell"

Y'all can make a choice. But the first one is just about the laziest no u I've ever seen.

That... isn't exactly what LC's theory said. At all.

LC said that you, being on the scumteam (or other scumteam), said "I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well." in the context of talking about LC. In doing so, wording-wise, you completely ignored the existence of DDL, a vote manipulator likely unaligned with LC. LC posits that you ignored DDL because you know he's scum.

I think.

It's not an airtight scumslip, but you did word it oddly.
LC would be better off explaining the slip, but that's the direction I thought it was going in.

....I have no understanding of what the hell LC is trying to say because LC is just throwing things at the wall.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It's unfortunate LC but I don't see a way out for you bud. Even if you could convince me, I doubt you'd be able to convince literally anyone else. I agree with you that Dom looks bad. I'd have to revisit DDL but I've never felt great about him as a civ. SVS I am making a conscious effort not to read. I'm dead even on everyone else.

I hate this post.

If you think LC is telling the truth vote for him, do not accept his death because you think everyone else will.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sorry not vote for him

Vote for someone else*

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Any time I see a player pull the "Oh golly Gee Mr. Police Mans, I just hate to vote to lynch this person, surely I do. But I gotta, you see? I gotta. I hate to do it boss, but I gotta. Sure hope it works out. Not sure it will, but I hope it does." routine it bugs me. Like, if you don't want to vote for the guy, don't. If you think he's civ or whatever, toss a different name in the hat. You don't *have* to vote for anyone.

DH right now.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Does anyone think the Hosts told LC about a secret game mechanic (the existence of tribes in the GOC) in a chat on Facebook with MP, who presumably was also eligible for this game, having had 6 wins in 2017? Really?

If so, I am a tad annoyed at Jules, who is actually a friend, for not including me in this little conversation

It's stupid but possible. The matter here is that the game mechanic itself is not important at all. It's just the name of a tribe. The hosts did that before knowing whether they would hide it or not.

Later, they hid if partly because of the way TS hides threads, partly because like I said before, they are so used to the idea of banning info dumping and not revealing anything to players that they hid it and didn't even think about the consequences. At least not until we started voting for LC.

Well, that's one theory, I'm not sure if I believe it or not.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm not sure if LC is bad or not, but I wanna play devil's advocate here. I hate how we are lynching him two consecutive days with little resistance. This is too easy.

[speedchuck]

I'm not sure if LC is bad or not, but I wanna play devil's advocate here. I hate how we are lynching him two consecutive days with little resistance. This is too easy.

Agreed.

Not that we'll be able to lynch him tomorrow.

What you think about Dom?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm not sure if LC is bad or not, but I wanna play devil's advocate here. I hate how we are lynching him two consecutive days with little resistance. This is too easy.

Agreed.

Not that we'll be able to lynch him tomorrow.

What you think about Dom?

I think the case about Dom's TMI is even worse than the case about LC's TMI.

Every game I play there are about 10 instances of players accusing each other of TMI for random reasons. It's easy and just requires a small level of paranoia. If Dom is a civ, that's what happened. He got lucky (or unlucky if LC is a civ too).

Outside that case, I don't have a big opinion though. What is the case om Dom, with no TMI?

(Still 2 pages behind catching up, though)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And don't tell me there's a "non-zero chance Dom slipped".

There is a non-zero chance everyone is bad. Do better.

[speedchuck]

What is the case om Dom, with no TMI?

He's only got three pages of posts. I'd rather you look for yourself because I feel like nobody but me is making a case on Dom, and I need validation.

Things to look for:
-I maintain that Dom's flip on my first life looks bad, for the reasons I stated at the time. I know I'm not confirmed town. I don't care. Look at that flip.
-Dom has been ignoring any suggestion that he might be wrong about LC. Legit ignoring. I talked once about how LC's role could be town, he later asked that very question. I pointed him back to the post he supposedly read. No response.
-Dom has not been facilitating discussion to hunt since the LC 'slip'. He's been more active in shutting it down, by obtusely ignoring arguments or just saying "no" or "I don't" or whatever the case may bring.

I don't think Dom is trying to foster town discussion or get to the bottom of things. If LC is scum, he gets credit for all of this, and he's driving toward that. If LC is town, he can blame it on the 'slip' and LC's 'lack of reasoning'/'throwing stuff at the wall'

There are other little things, but that's a start. Let me know what you find. If we lynch LC today (and I dunno if we can sway half the game), we have another half week before voting matters again. Plenty of time to look over Dom.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I've thought it over and thought it over all day.

But no.

I'm officially calling bullshit.

Adding MP to the story is one of those odd, unnecessary details a good liar would add to make the story seem more authentic. MP is conveniently not a participant in this game, so he can't confirm or deny. On top of that, MP has been preoccupied lately with obtaining gainful employment.

I do not believe that Golden, juliets, Long Con, and MP were all on Facebook at the same time having a conversation, which is what Long Con's story requires you to believe ("we bounced ideas off each other"), and I don't believe that the topic of Tribes for the Game of Champions game came up.

juliets is a highly discreet person (I don't even know her real name). juliets doesn't strike me as a Pokemon person, so why would she come up with the name Pikachu for a tribe?

MP is an insanely busy person.

And Golden lives in fucking Australia.

This is bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit, and if it's true, I will give up drinking aubergine wine for the rest of my life.

I'll stop drinking wine myself before I read people's alignments based on the probablity that 4 people were together at FB a few weeks ago.

Screw that.

[speedchuck]

And I'm at least as sceptical about Dom's 'slip' as I am about 'LC's'. Slips are like unicorns. They don't usually exist. And if, by some bizarre stroke of magic, you find a slip that means something, it might impale you.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

How the fuck do you not see this as a slip??

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

I guess Dom just forgot about DDL? Or does Dom just, as a Civ, so convinced DDL is bad that he meant it that way?

Like, fuck, I get that you think I'm bad but that doesn't mean you just have to shit on my suspicions. This one is pretty significant.

Speculation is not a slip.

Watch this:

"I wouldn't be too surprised if there are two mafia teams in this game."

Explain to me how that was a slip.

What you just did was confirm that YOU knew DDL's first role was a civilian role.

See how that works?

You are BAD.

Not quite the same thing but at this point I have no desire or energy anymore to argue with anyone.

DIsagrees with Epi's logic but will let it pass.

Bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And I'm at least as sceptical about Dom's 'slip' as I am about 'LC's'. Slips are like unicorns. They don't usually exist. And if, by some bizarre stroke of magic, you find a slip that means something, it might impale you.

They do. They are just rare.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

What is the case om Dom, with no TMI?

He's only got three pages of posts. I'd rather you look for yourself because I feel like nobody but me is making a case on Dom, and I need validation.

Things to look for:
-I maintain that Dom's flip on my first life looks bad, for the reasons I stated at the time. I know I'm not confirmed town. I don't care. Look at that flip.
-Dom has been ignoring any suggestion that he might be wrong about LC. Legit ignoring. I talked once about how LC's role could be town, he later asked that very question. I pointed him back to the post he supposedly read. No response.
-Dom has not been facilitating discussion to hunt since the LC 'slip'. He's been more active in shutting it down, by obtusely ignoring arguments or just saying "no" or "I don't" or whatever the case may bring.

I don't think Dom is trying to foster town discussion or get to the bottom of things. If LC is scum, he gets credit for all of this, and he's driving toward that. If LC is town, he can blame it on the 'slip' and LC's 'lack of reasoning'/'throwing stuff at the wall'

There are other little things, but that's a start. Let me know what you find. If we lynch LC today (and I dunno if we can sway half the game), we have another half week before voting matters again. Plenty of time to look over Dom.

I didn't find the "flip" you are talking about, sorry.

I agree Dom is being obtrusive about attempts by other people to scumhunt, though.

[speedchuck]

Dom went from this:

No dom we must crush speedchuck together

What do you think of his substantiated posts?

I think if you call someone out for not being accountable, and they immediately follow up with some slapdash accountability, it doesn't matter. They're caught

It doesn't change that they've made points.

What do you think of them?

To this:

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

So....?

I don't see how any of that is "definitive".

One random post from Nutella has more content than a full ISO page from Speedchuck.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Agree.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

With no provocation. It's not so much that he voted me. It's that, like with LC, he decided that there was enough justification for the case and there was no need to discuss it further. I had been going back and forth with Dom, speaking about my own gameplay and his suspicions, and he was engaging me and considering multiple things. But then my train got far enough along, Dom saw the light at the end of the speedchucktraintunnel, and his vote jumped to me to stay, no matter what was said after that.

Any attempt I made to engage Dom after that was met like his engagement of LC. Snark, avoidance, dismissal, etc. And then I got lynched. I fully expect the same thing to happen to LC, while everyone else in the game looks at Dom and shrugs.

[Dom]

What is the case om Dom, with no TMI?

He's only got three pages of posts. I'd rather you look for yourself because I feel like nobody but me is making a case on Dom, and I need validation.

Things to look for:
-I maintain that Dom's flip on my first life looks bad, for the reasons I stated at the time. I know I'm not confirmed town. I don't care. Look at that flip.
-Dom has been ignoring any suggestion that he might be wrong about LC. Legit ignoring. I talked once about how LC's role could be town, he later asked that very question. I pointed him back to the post he supposedly read. No response.
-Dom has not been facilitating discussion to hunt since the LC 'slip'. He's been more active in shutting it down, by obtusely ignoring arguments or just saying "no" or "I don't" or whatever the case may bring.

I don't think Dom is trying to foster town discussion or get to the bottom of things. If LC is scum, he gets credit for all of this, and he's driving toward that. If LC is town, he can blame it on the 'slip' and LC's 'lack of reasoning'/'throwing stuff at the wall'

There are other little things, but that's a start. Let me know what you find. If we lynch LC today (and I dunno if we can sway half the game), we have another half week before voting matters again. Plenty of time to look over Dom.

-Dom didn't flip on you. Dom always suspected you. You thought buddying me would work and it didn't.
-Dom did not ignore it. Dom has acknowledged he could be wrong several times. This is stupid. Of course I don't think I'm wrong-- so why would I write as such?
-The arguments have been about me. They're stupid and pointless and have almost no substance to them. There's no other response but "no".

I haven't shut down scum hunting.
I've shut down discussions that are lacking in substance about myself.
There's a difference.

[Dom]

Dom went from this:

No dom we must crush speedchuck together

What do you think of his substantiated posts?

I think if you call someone out for not being accountable, and they immediately follow up with some slapdash accountability, it doesn't matter. They're caught

It doesn't change that they've made points.

What do you think of them?

To this:

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

So....?

I don't see how any of that is "definitive".

One random post from Nutella has more content than a full ISO page from Speedchuck.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Agree.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

With no provocation. It's not so much that he voted me. It's that, like with LC, he decided that there was enough justification for the case and there was no need to discuss it further. I had been going back and forth with Dom, speaking about my own gameplay and his suspicions, and he was engaging me and considering multiple things. But then my train got far enough along, Dom saw the light at the end of the speedchucktraintunnel, and his vote jumped to me to stay, no matter what was said after that.

Any attempt I made to engage Dom after that was met like his engagement of LC. Snark, avoidance, dismissal, etc. And then I got lynched. I fully expect the same thing to happen to LC, while everyone else in the game looks at Dom and shrugs.

You literally voted me for no reason, switched to someone ranked better on your rainbow list with no reason, then proceeded to say your read on me changed, but it suddenly became bad again when I voted for you because you looked bad to me.

Then, you admitted you are just looking for any reason that allows you to suspect me-- the walking definition of confirmation bias.

[Long Con]

Dom, you are amazing. Hats off to the king, I'll leave you to it. High fives are on me if you and your team end up winning.

[speedchuck]

Then, you admitted you are just looking for any reason that allows you to suspect me-- the walking definition of confirmation bias.

And if nobody else picks up on the same suspicions, I will accept it as such.

I am self-aware, Dom.

[S~V~S]

Also, that isn't a "difficult to use" town role - it's a town role that disincentivizes them from doing the thing townies are supposed to do - vote. Because you don't know whether your vote is positive or negative, but chances are you're going to vote for town, meaning your vote d2 is worthless (except for determining whether it goes up or down). After that, who knows? Do you vote for your suspects? Or people you think are town? No idea!

I just realized we have not heard from c-bob since the last night phase.

I wonder if he is silenced, or just busy?