Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[DharmaHelper]

It's unfortunate LC but I don't see a way out for you bud. Even if you could convince me, I doubt you'd be able to convince literally anyone else. I agree with you that Dom looks bad. I'd have to revisit DDL but I've never felt great about him as a civ. SVS I am making a conscious effort not to read. I'm dead even on everyone else.

I hate this post.

If you think LC is telling the truth vote for him, do not accept his death because you think everyone else will.

Any time I see a player pull the "Oh golly Gee Mr. Police Mans, I just hate to vote to lynch this person, surely I do. But I gotta, you see? I gotta. I hate to do it boss, but I gotta. Sure hope it works out. Not sure it will, but I hope it does." routine it bugs me. Like, if you don't want to vote for the guy, don't. If you think he's civ or whatever, toss a different name in the hat. You don't *have* to vote for anyone.

DH right now.

And don't tell me there's a "non-zero chance Dom slipped".

There is a non-zero chance everyone is bad. Do better.

How the fuck do you not see this as a slip??

I wouldn't be too surprised if the civs had a vote manipulator as well.

I guess Dom just forgot about DDL? Or does Dom just, as a Civ, so convinced DDL is bad that he meant it that way?

Like, fuck, I get that you think I'm bad but that doesn't mean you just have to shit on my suspicions. This one is pretty significant.

Speculation is not a slip.

Watch this:

"I wouldn't be too surprised if there are two mafia teams in this game."

Explain to me how that was a slip.

What you just did was confirm that YOU knew DDL's first role was a civilian role.

See how that works?

You are BAD.

Not quite the same thing but at this point I have no desire or energy anymore to argue with anyone.

DIsagrees with Epi's logic but will let it pass.

Bad.

Since DDL won't say why he thinks I'm bad and instead wants me to do all the work whilst sifting through his wall of posts, I'll oblidge.


1st point - I didn't think LC was telling the truth, so I voted for him twice.

2nd point - I didn't believe LC and I wasn't hedging my bets, so I voted for him. Using my post about hedging as a point against me falls a bit flat.

3rd point - Cool post, I guess. Not sure why DDL thinks it is an adequate answer to "Why do you suspect me?" but it's a cool post.

4th point - Saying what I did, and then calling it bad. Cool post I guess.

What seems more "artificial", DDL saying "DH Is bad, here are some posts I made about things. He's bad." or me voting to lynch a guy I thought was full of shit :P

[speedchuck]

I don't know why you are redoing all of this when I all but cracked the d2 lynch a few days ago. Did you not read it or you think my math is wrong because I'm an evil manipulative baddie?

And you think I'm bad because LC was saving me? What if like... LC just voted for a random civ to look natural himself and call it a day?

I do recall you doing it, but forgot what you concluded. So I worked it again with fresh eyes. You're welcome to link your version to me.

I think that it's possible LC was saving you. I also think it's possible that LC switched for other reasons. I think the former is more probably.
You'll notice that my post considers all possibilities, if you read anything other than the conclusion.

I have been having trouble with people not reading my entire posts.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 11#p419011

Ah, okay. Yeah, I remember that.

My new post included that because I'm an idiot and forgot Quin was cleared, but it was also speculation about Long Con forcing that tie between you and I, like he did. As SVS said, getting into LC's head might be impossible, but I'm trying to gain something from it.

[DharmaHelper]

Also I think it's weird how you are now thinking I'm Mr. Freeze or whatever considering you were pretty sure of my role early on.

Dragon D. Luffy has had his first life restored, but to be fair to all he will remain in his second role for both lives.

Huh. Odd.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It's the second role I'm talking about.

[DharmaHelper]

Ivysaur is like #002 in the pokedex not #32. And that was a joke.

[S~V~S]

My new post included that because I'm an idiot and forgot Quin was cleared, but it was also speculation about Long Con forcing that tie between you and I, like he did. As SVS said, getting into LC's head might be impossible, but I'm trying to gain something from it.

I have seen LC
NK himself in one game
The man is a God

[Dom]

Dom uses sarcasm and calls me lazy, but he doesn't call me bad. Why is that, Dom?

Unsure if you are bad.
That's why.

Why are people voting for Bob when we know he is a civ?

Even if there are reasons to think he will be lynched today regardlessly, why are we helping?

Isn't it better to make a statement and vote for the one you think is bad?

How do you know he is civ?

@Dom why DH and
Not Speedchuck? He tried harder
In saving LC

I'm just curious
About that dichotomy
(Haiku Big Word Prize)

Both tbh.

Just frustrated.

I ISO'd Quin, and I don't like his Long Con content. Lots of distancing, lots of scumreading LC without it gaining traction, lots of credit-taking and reminding people that he scumread LC before the slip.

Not to mention that Quin's activity has fallen off the past couple of days, both in post count and in content.

I'm not going to quote everything, but read the most recent page of his ISO.

I don't either.
I also don't like yours.
Justify.

I got the feeling that DDL opposed the LC wagon for the sake of opposing it. I might have to re-read, but I dislike it based on that impression.

In my defense I was 95% sure it was impossible to stop the wagon at that point.

And I still want to lynch DH.

Why fam I lynched Long Con

Lynching a baddie who slipped is not an accomplishment.

"Lynching baddies in a game about lynching baddies isn't an accomplishment"

Hot take.

Why should you get any credit for the LC lynch?

sorry I'm busy mcbusy and shouldn't be in this many games DDL and Dom are bad k

lame.

[Epignosis]

That's why.

Why are people voting for Bob when we know he is a civ?

Even if there are reasons to think he will be lynched today regardlessly, why are we helping?

Isn't it better to make a statement and vote for the one you think is bad?

How do you know he is civ?

[speedchuck]

I ISO'd Quin, and I don't like his Long Con content. Lots of distancing, lots of scumreading LC without it gaining traction, lots of credit-taking and reminding people that he scumread LC before the slip.

Not to mention that Quin's activity has fallen off the past couple of days, both in post count and in content.

I'm not going to quote everything, but read the most recent page of his ISO.

I don't either.
I also don't like yours.
Justify.

I appreciate the comparison to Quin, since he's basically the towniest of firms. I had forgotten that at the time of this post.
I'm not justifying squat, though, unless you point me to the particular squat you want justified. And even then I'll probably just snark at you.

[juliets]

Guess what? You have until no later than 6:01 pm eastern standard time today to vote in the poll.

[Dom]

LC wasn't a seemer. He could make someone else look like a different alignment.

Furthermore, I have a hard time believing anyone aligned with Long Con would really try to save him after that mess.

Really?
LC targets me and makes me turn up whatever affiliation he wants.
His team goes all in on getting me lynched.
Something you can't see happening?
Really?

[Quin]

what's up is that i wanna know why we're all looking for members of the second mafia team that i don't believe exists

Wrote a giant post
When I could talk days ago
About this very thing

You mainly seem to
Show up to tell people their
thoughts, points, are pointless

no

[Epignosis]

LC wasn't a seemer. He could make someone else look like a different alignment.

Furthermore, I have a hard time believing anyone aligned with Long Con would really try to save him after that mess.

Really?
LC targets me and makes me turn up whatever affiliation he wants.
His team goes all in on getting me lynched.
Something you can't see happening?
Really?

I don't believe for a minute that you were ever in danger of being lynched. I wasn't going to vote for you. Who else was ready to jump on you?

[DharmaHelper]

That's why.

Why are people voting for Bob when we know he is a civ?

Even if there are reasons to think he will be lynched today regardlessly, why are we helping?

Isn't it better to make a statement and vote for the one you think is bad?

How do you know he is civ?

I beat you both to this joke and I'm very proud of that fact

[speedchuck]

Who else was ready to jump on you?

*raises hand*

[DharmaHelper]

Why should you get any credit for the LC lynch?

Did I say I should get any credit for the LC Lynch?

[Quin]

The infamous D2 TIE!!!!

Here we go:

Here are a couple of before and after polls, placing LC's vote as being worth 2 (-2)
The minus 2 assumes that Quin is town. If Quin is scum, LC's vote was worth 2. If Quin is town, his vote was worth 0. Thus, 2 (with an optional -2 addition).

What actually happened:

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 5 or 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 3
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

What LC saw if he isn't scum with DDL:

DDL - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella, LC = 7 or 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL = 4

changed to

DDL (-2 votes) - cbob, speedchuck, Quin, Epi, Nutella = 5
Speedchuck - DH, Dom, SVS, DDL, LC = 6 or 4

I'm assuming DDL did not put -2 points on me, as scum or town.

. . .

Been staring at these polls for ten minutes. Some observations:

1. If Quin was scum with LC, and his vote was worth 2, LC changed the tide of the lynch. LC did so in a dangerous way, one that revealed that vote manipulations were taking place. He was also the most suspect vote in this case. That's a blow to LC/Quin.

2. If DDL was scum with LC, and Quin was town, then LC would have known what was most likely happening. He also would have seen that the guy with 4 votes (me) getting lynched over the guy with 6 votes (DDL) would have been very incriminating. So he might have vote hopped to avoid suspicion. His vote was probably worth zero anyway, and he might as well make the result look more legitimate. Also, the more he votes for townies, the more -1s he has to his vote. This would help explain how DDL avoided lynching the following day as well. LC is trying to make his vote into a train nullifier.

3. If neither are scum with LC, then LC's vote is most likely worth zero in his eyes. He may have switched his vote at the end to find out, just in case there are other scumteams. That's the only reason I can think of.


It's a difficult puzzle, but I'd say of these three, result 2 is most likely, followed by result 3. Much as I was just suspecting Quin, I don't think LC would have tried to change the tide of the lynch for no reason. LC/Quin is disproven in my book.

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Also, the Nutella lynch on the following day:
DDL (-2 votes) - Epi, cbob, speedchuck, nutella, DH, LC = 4
nutella - Dom, DDL, SVS = 3

If Quin and I are both town, LC's vote was worth -1, two less than normal. If Quin is scum, it's worth 1. Soooo Quin is basically townfirmed. I don't know why we argued with this earlier. Quin and speechuck1 are both townfirms.

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Talk to me about all of this please.

Also [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

linkis: Yeah DDL is totes bad guys

i'll take my town credit with a serve of mash thanks

[Quin]

[VOTE: also i voted ddl] aubergine

[Epignosis]

That's why.

Why are people voting for Bob when we know he is a civ?

Even if there are reasons to think he will be lynched today regardlessly, why are we helping?

Isn't it better to make a statement and vote for the one you think is bad?

How do you know he is civ?

I beat you both to this joke and I'm very proud of that fact

I wasn't making any joke- I'm laughing because of your Dom seminar attendance.

[Quin]

I ISO'd Quin, and I don't like his Long Con content. Lots of distancing, lots of scumreading LC without it gaining traction, lots of credit-taking and reminding people that he scumread LC before the slip.

Not to mention that Quin's activity has fallen off the past couple of days, both in post count and in content.

I'm not going to quote everything, but read the most recent page of his ISO.

thing is im really good at mafia this time around but nobody listens to me

[Epignosis]

Who else was ready to jump on you?

*raises hand*

The notion that Dom was bad in that context only made sense if Long Con was bad too. Dom wasn't getting lynched.

[Dom]

LC wasn't a seemer. He could make someone else look like a different alignment.

Furthermore, I have a hard time believing anyone aligned with Long Con would really try to save him after that mess.

Really?
LC targets me and makes me turn up whatever affiliation he wants.
His team goes all in on getting me lynched.
Something you can't see happening?
Really?

I don't believe for a minute that you were ever in danger of being lynched. I wasn't going to vote for you. Who else was ready to jump on you?

Dharmahelper
Long Con
Speedchuck

I recall a few others who expressed interest. These come to mind.

[Epignosis]

LC wasn't a seemer. He could make someone else look like a different alignment.

Furthermore, I have a hard time believing anyone aligned with Long Con would really try to save him after that mess.

Really?
LC targets me and makes me turn up whatever affiliation he wants.
His team goes all in on getting me lynched.
Something you can't see happening?
Really?

I don't believe for a minute that you were ever in danger of being lynched. I wasn't going to vote for you. Who else was ready to jump on you?

Dharmahelper
Long Con
Speedchuck

I recall a few others who expressed interest. These come to mind.

Again, you could only be bad if LC was, and you weren't making up weird stories about communications with the hosts. To lynch you first would have been putting the cart before the horse, and I would have yelled at them.

[S~V~S]

what's up is that i wanna know why we're all looking for members of the second mafia team that i don't believe exists

Wrote a giant post
When I could talk days ago
About this very thing

You mainly seem to
Show up to tell people their
thoughts, points, are pointless

no

Well that's how it feels
but if you are who I think
Then you could be civ

[Dom]

Why should you get any credit for the LC lynch?

Did I say I should get any credit for the LC Lynch?

Did you imply it in your post?
Absolutely. Because you ignored the later clarification made by DDL -- probable baddie.

[Dom]

LC wasn't a seemer. He could make someone else look like a different alignment.

Furthermore, I have a hard time believing anyone aligned with Long Con would really try to save him after that mess.

Really?
LC targets me and makes me turn up whatever affiliation he wants.
His team goes all in on getting me lynched.
Something you can't see happening?
Really?

I don't believe for a minute that you were ever in danger of being lynched. I wasn't going to vote for you. Who else was ready to jump on you?

Dharmahelper
Long Con
Speedchuck

I recall a few others who expressed interest. These come to mind.

Again, you could only be bad if LC was, and you weren't making up weird stories about communications with the hosts. To lynch you first would have been putting the cart before the horse, and I would have yelled at them.

That's really weird considering speedchuck did vote for me.

[Epignosis]

LC wasn't a seemer. He could make someone else look like a different alignment.

Furthermore, I have a hard time believing anyone aligned with Long Con would really try to save him after that mess.

Really?
LC targets me and makes me turn up whatever affiliation he wants.
His team goes all in on getting me lynched.
Something you can't see happening?
Really?

I don't believe for a minute that you were ever in danger of being lynched. I wasn't going to vote for you. Who else was ready to jump on you?

Dharmahelper
Long Con
Speedchuck

I recall a few others who expressed interest. These come to mind.

Again, you could only be bad if LC was, and you weren't making up weird stories about communications with the hosts. To lynch you first would have been putting the cart before the horse, and I would have yelled at them.

That's really weird considering speedchuck did vote for me.

You can't get lynched with one vote.

Well, I mean you could.

[DharmaHelper]

Why should you get any credit for the LC lynch?

Did I say I should get any credit for the LC Lynch?

Did you imply it in your post?
Absolutely. Because you ignored the later clarification made by DDL -- probable baddie.

I don't think I've ignored DDL. What makes me a probable baddie?

[Dom]

LC wasn't a seemer. He could make someone else look like a different alignment.

Furthermore, I have a hard time believing anyone aligned with Long Con would really try to save him after that mess.

Really?
LC targets me and makes me turn up whatever affiliation he wants.
His team goes all in on getting me lynched.
Something you can't see happening?
Really?

I don't believe for a minute that you were ever in danger of being lynched. I wasn't going to vote for you. Who else was ready to jump on you?

Dharmahelper
Long Con
Speedchuck

I recall a few others who expressed interest. These come to mind.

Again, you could only be bad if LC was, and you weren't making up weird stories about communications with the hosts. To lynch you first would have been putting the cart before the horse, and I would have yelled at them.

That's really weird considering speedchuck did vote for me.

You can't get lynched with one vote.

Well, I mean you could.

DDL didn't vote on either option.
The vote could have been much, much closer if DH had flopped.

Why should you get any credit for the LC lynch?

Did I say I should get any credit for the LC Lynch?

Did you imply it in your post?
Absolutely. Because you ignored the later clarification made by DDL -- probable baddie.

I don't think I've ignored DDL. What makes me a probable baddie?

I meant DDL-- not you.

I no longer civ read you anymore, though.
I just don't think I baddie read you at this point either.

[DharmaHelper]

The vote could have been much, much closer if DH had flopped.

And yet I did not, which should tell you all you need to know.

[Epignosis]

People I think are good: DH, S~V~S, speedchuck, sprityo, and Quin (if speedchuck's math checks out)

And colonialbob, but he's not long for this world.

[Epignosis]

That leaves me with DDL, nutella, and Dom, and I'm bored with voting for Dom.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

[Golden]

Poll is closed. Post coming, stand by.

[Golden]

The mood was listless. People were without energy, feeling the impeding inevitability of a colonialbob lynch.

“Hey everyone” said colonialbob “why don’t we try to treat this like a normal day. We don’t have to assume I’ll die.”

“I agree” said DH, voting for cbob.

“I mean, who knows for sure, maybe a completely different outcome is possible” said colonialbob.

“This man makes a lot of sense to me” said sprityo, voting for cbob.

“Have you ever tried balancing on a balance beam that is tilted at an angle?” asked colonialbob “It just isn’t fair. I feel like something is tilted around here.”

“I have no idea what you’re getting at. But I agree we should treat it like a normal day” said dom, voting for cbob.

colonialbob sat down in the sand with a bottle of whisky in one hand and a glass in the other. “So this is the way life ends” said bob “Not with a bang, but with a…”

Nutella executed what the others had voted for. No matter what colonialbob did, he was going to die.

With his dying breath, bob got whispered a few final words… “the vision is a lie”

“I think he said ‘Paulo lies’” said S~V~S.

Day 6 has ended. colonialbob has been lynched. He was:

13: Charlie Pace (Lost Again: Season 3). At the beginning of the game, it will be announced that you are Charlie Pace and that you will die at the end of day 6. In reality, this is not true. You are Charlie Pace, but your actual role is to curse the person who casts the final vote to lynch you or who nightkills you. If that person is in their 1st role, their vote will count zero and they will be unable to win while they remain in that role. If that person is in their 2nd role, they will be strapped to a bomb vest and will have to complete three tasks by day end to defuse the vest.

It is now night 6. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

[Epignosis]

[speedchuck]

This is fantastic.

And maddening. We could have lynched DDL today.

[speedchuck]

Good luck with the vest, Nutella. I hope you survive it, as I think you're town.

[colonialbob]

[Epignosis]

This is fantastic.

And maddening. We could have lynched DDL today.

I don't understand why people voted in such a fatalistic way.

[DharmaHelper]

Fuckin' got 'em lads

[DharmaHelper]

In all fairness Cbob you would have probably felt a little shitty if you didn't get to use that awesome role ability. Right?

[speedchuck]

In all fairness Cbob you would have probably felt a little shitty if you didn't get to use that awesome role ability. Right?

Eh. Knowing you guys, if he didn't die today, he definitely would have been done in tomorrow.

[DharmaHelper]

In all fairness Cbob you would have probably felt a little shitty if you didn't get to use that awesome role ability. Right?

Eh. Knowing you guys, if he didn't die today, he definitely would have been done in tomorrow.

No tomorrow I think I'm voting for DDL

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Had a feeling this would happen.

[speedchuck]

Had a feeling this would happen.

How even?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Had a feeling this would happen.

How even?

I've played a lot of bastard games in my other site.

This is child's play.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You will know true rage when a role called Gossip Girl offers you extra kills for calling someone a "bitch" in the thread and later when you go claim those kills, the host tells you they didn't promise you nything, Gossip Girl did.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And then you get lynched because of it.

[Golden]

The hosts didn't promise you anything

Your PMs can be relied upon. If something is coming from another player and not the host, that will be clear.

[DharmaHelper]

Merge time methinks