Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[Golden]

I hate you all you know how to make my life hard.

Host post better be
In haiku, or I want my
money back, coward.

The ticket was free.

[Scotty]

The way Kyle is acting sounds like a mislynch, which makes things that much harder. I will stay true to my word and fall on the sword tomorrow y’all. Whoever the Even is has a good guise

[Golden]

"I'm all for rainbows
They make the world shiny and
Kylemii is bad." said Sloonei

"Hey" said Kylemii "That's not how you say my name. You're pronouncing the e, but it should be a silent e. More like 'Kyl Me', you get it?"

"Did He just say 'kill me'?" asked Spacedaisy "His wish is my command"

"Noooooo" said Kyle "I didn't say that. I said it like... how do you say vile?" asked Kyle

"Three syllables" said Dom "Vie-ill-ee. And frankly, I think it's what you are in this game, there's no other explanation for anything at all."

"It's a trap" said Admiral Ackbar, appearing briefly on the Normandy before being cruelly sucked into the vortex of space for no good reason at all.

"I'm a genius" said insertnamehere "You will all bow down at the feet of my Large Project."

"So large that you forgot to even send in a kill, I bet" said Epignosis "You're probably a Macolyte."

"My doctor says I'm low on Macolytes " said colonialbob

"I've been trying to file my tax returns and boy, are these numbers fishy" said Quin "I can't figure them out at all..."

Day 17 has ended. insertnamehere has been lynched. He was:

50: Jhorts (Felt 2). No-one looks good in Jhorts. Once in the game, you may choose a player that is not from your team. They will appear to be from your team if they are targeted by a role that can learn affiliation. You are MAFIA and a member of STREXCORP.

It is now night 17. It will last for ~24 hours (probably slightly less), meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

[Epignosis]

Boom, like that.

[Scotty]

[insertnamehere]

typical.

[Sloonei]

The way Kyle is acting sounds like a mislynch, which makes things that much harder. I will stay true to my word and fall on the sword tomorrow y’all. Whoever the Even is has a good guise

His survival tells me there may have been a trick up his sleeve. I’m gonna vote for him again tomorrow.

Good job on the INH lynch though.

[Kylemii]

huh, cool.

[Sloonei]

huh, cool.

So what do we do tomorrow?

[Scotty]

Didn’t Golden say that we would be told when a team was eliminated? Or was that just when the game is over?

If the former...we...uh....have 5 Strex members.

[Scotty]

Didn’t Golden say that we would be told when a team was eliminated? Or was that just when the game is over?

If the former...we...uh....have 5 Strex members.

*at least

[Sloonei]

Didn’t Golden say that we would be told when a team was eliminated? Or was that just when the game is over?

If the former...we...uh....have 5 Strex members.

*at least

He heavily implied we would not find out if a team is eliminated.

[Kylemii]

Didn’t Golden say that we would be told when a team was eliminated? Or was that just when the game is over?

If the former...we...uh....have 5 Strex members.

*at least

that's a little troubling

[Sloonei]

I’d guess that that’s the end of Strexcorp. Kyle may have a partner remaining with the Evens. Off the top of my head I can’t think of anything that would narrow the search down to one tribe over the other. I’m confident enough to start doing interactive reads with kyle and perhaps the other evens now.

[Epignosis]

I’d guess that that’s the end of Strexcorp. Kyle may have a partner remaining with the Evens. Off the top of my head I can’t think of anything that would narrow the search down to one tribe over the other. I’m confident enough to start doing interactive reads with kyle and perhaps the other evens now.

It proves all of Strex was on Cerberus in the beginning, and one Even had to be over there as well.

Jesus, you guys had it rough.

I considered that INH's role might have fudged some of the role reveals, but I don't think that happened.

It looks like a clean sweep.

If Strex has more than four members, then that's fucked up.

[Epignosis]

Also got $20 against Big Sexy tonight.

(Since all I talk about is gambling on sports according to G-Man)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Wow. Nice jobs guys.

And whoever used whatever action that made this happen lol

[Kylemii]

huh, cool.

So what do we do tomorrow?

are you asking "what will we do" or "what should we do"?

[Scotty]

Didn’t Golden say that we would be told when a team was eliminated? Or was that just when the game is over?

If the former...we...uh....have 5 Strex members.

*at least

He heavily implied we would not find out if a team is eliminated.

Oh you’re correct, he did imply that. Good call.

If Kyle is the lynch switcher (I don’t know who else would have done it) I would believe him to have an innate ability or at least very quick reflexes to PM golden, since Sloonei and I voted like 30 seconds before the EoD.

Either way, I’m down for lynching him tomorrow.


Now to see if there is a kill tonight..

[Sloonei]

I’d guess that that’s the end of Strexcorp. Kyle may have a partner remaining with the Evens. Off the top of my head I can’t think of anything that would narrow the search down to one tribe over the other. I’m confident enough to start doing interactive reads with kyle and perhaps the other evens now.

It proves all of Strex was on Cerberus in the beginning, and one Even had to be over there as well.

Jesus, you guys had it rough.

I considered that INH's role might have fudged some of the role reveals, but I don't think that happened.

It looks like a clean sweep.

If Strex has more than four members, then that's fucked up.

Kyle would be our “at least one” Even. His hypothetical partner could be anywhere.
If they started in Cerberus then we had a 6 vs 6 split, to Pikachu’s 9 vs 2.

Or Kyle is all alone.

[Sloonei]

huh, cool.

So what do we do tomorrow?

are you asking "what will we do" or "what should we do"?

I’m asking you what you think is our best course of action will be moving forward.

[Sloonei]

I don’t know whether to feel better or worse about those quiet early days mow that I know what our configuration was.

[Kylemii]

huh, cool.

So what do we do tomorrow?

are you asking "what will we do" or "what should we do"?

I’m asking you what you think is our best course of action will be moving forward.

i guess it depends a little on whether strexcorp has truly been eliminated or not

if yes then that means all that's left is the evens, i think unfortunately the most pragmatic decision is to lynch me. considering the fact that like.... basically every player in that PoE pool has become united against me, so I don't see anyone moving past it until after I'm dead.

I'd still put money on it being Scotty, despite what Epi says. I don't trust the way he keeps wavering on me, especially right before when I was about to be lynched.

[Sloonei]

Does Scotty have a partner?

[Kylemii]

I don’t know whether to feel better or worse about those quiet early days mow that I know what our configuration was.

kinda fucked up that we didn't manage to lynch anyone back then when our tribe was literally 1/3 made up of strexcorp members

it's not really surprising that lorab didn't press the button with that in mind

[colonialbob]

Why didn’t cbob vote

Because he is indecisive and also partaking in a super lazy Sunday where he did not realize it was already 6:30. FWIW I was leaning voting Kyle.

But yay Strex, I agree they're almost certainly gone. Kyle tomorrow I think. Will be interesting to see whether there's a kill tonight (I'm assuming yes).

[colonialbob]

huh, cool.

So what do we do tomorrow?

are you asking "what will we do" or "what should we do"?

I’m asking you what you think is our best course of action will be moving forward.

i guess it depends a little on whether strexcorp has truly been eliminated or not

if yes then that means all that's left is the evens, i think unfortunately the most pragmatic decision is to lynch me. considering the fact that like.... basically every player in that PoE pool has become united against me, so I don't see anyone moving past it until after I'm dead.

I'd still put money on it being Scotty, despite what Epi says. I don't trust the way he keeps wavering on me, especially right before when I was about to be lynched.

Do you think Strexcorp has been eliminated?

[Kylemii]

Does Scotty have a partner?

if scotty has a partner then it has to be boomslang, since we now know it wasn't inh, since the only other living players that could have killed Scotty are me, you, and spacedaisy. unless cross tribe kills are a thing

[Epignosis]

I don’t know whether to feel better or worse about those quiet early days mow that I know what our configuration was.

kinda fucked up that we didn't manage to lynch anyone back then when our tribe was literally 1/3 made up of strexcorp members

it's not really surprising that lorab didn't press the button with that in mind

Lorab didn't know what the button did.

[Sloonei]

Does Scotty have a partner?

if scotty has a partner then it has to be boomslang, since we now know it wasn't inh, since the only other living players that could have killed Scotty are me, you, and spacedaisy. unless cross tribe kills are a thing

So you trust every remaining Pikachu?

[Kylemii]

Do you think Strexcorp has been eliminated?

maybe. 4 per team does seem like a nice and balanced number.

[Epignosis]

Why didn’t cbob vote

Because he is indecisive and also partaking in a super lazy Sunday where he did not realize it was already 6:30. FWIW I was leaning voting Kyle.

That's not good enough. This is the Game of Champions.

I don't see how you could be indecisive. It's Day 17. You voted Kylemii last time. If this was a super lazy Sunday, you could have voted. You were here and you posted.

You are either bad or an independent and not a civilian.

[Kylemii]

Does Scotty have a partner?

if scotty has a partner then it has to be boomslang, since we now know it wasn't inh, since the only other living players that could have killed Scotty are me, you, and spacedaisy. unless cross tribe kills are a thing

So you trust every remaining Pikachu?

no. that's a little bit overly-simplified.

if scotty is an evil even then that gaurantees there is a mafia within that listed group of players. if we assume 4 per team and that Strex is dead then that means all living Pikachu are cleared of being mafia. But if you and/or spacedaisy killed sprityo then that means there wouldn't necessarily need to be a specific 4th player on either team since all kills would have been accounted for in that way. If epignosis is an evil even and killed sprityo (still seems pretty unlikely?) then that would actually also point to the 4th Even Steven being in that group actually since there were even kills that took place on both tribes

[Spacedaisy]

Didn’t Golden say that we would be told when a team was eliminated? Or was that just when the game is over?

If the former...we...uh....have 5 Strex members.

*at least

He heavily implied we would not find out if a team is eliminated.

Oh you’re correct, he did imply that. Good call.

If Kyle is the lynch switcher (I don’t know who else would have done it) I would believe him to have an innate ability or at least very quick reflexes to PM golden, since Sloonei and I voted like 30 seconds before the EoD.

Either way, I’m down for lynching him tomorrow.


Now to see if there is a kill tonight..

I doubt Kyle had a lynch switch, I think he has a teammate with one or else a civ who really believed INH was bad did this.

Was DDL eliminated as a possible Even? I can't remember. But his reaction to Kyle's survival pinged me a bit.

[Sloonei]

Interactive reads, Kyle and Boomslang:

So... Are we just going to forget that we almost lynched cbob yesterday?

Out of an extremely limited pool of suspects?

Also we also almpst lynched you, didn't we? Are we just going to forget about that as well?

NO U Vote colonialbob aubergine.

This vote got me lynched.

Uh, no. That's like saying a vote for Ralph Nader got George Bush elected — you got lynched because there were more people who wanted you dead than who wanted Kyle dead. I don't think either of you are bad, GTH, so I voted for a third party. It'd be more accurate to say that INH's vote got you lynched, because he actually broke the tie, but any of your voters are worthy of scrutiny.

GTH reads:

Boomslang: civ (duh)
Colonialbob: bad (Strex due to Wilgy interactions)
Dom: bad (Even because Cbob is Strex; missed vote in close lynch yesterday)
DDL: civ (due to nightkill without much thread suspicion)
Epi: civ (supatown)
INH: civ (weakest civ read given voting record)
Kyle: civ (assuming I'm right about Scotty)
Quin: civ or indy (due to nightkill, role)
Scotty: bad (Even due to POE, willingness to bus Speedchuck during Wilgy lynch)
Sloonei: civ (supatown)
Spacedaisy: civ (authentic Wilgy celebration)
SVS: civ (generally helpful and thoughtful contributions)

This is Boomslang's first direct mention of Kyle in this thread (I'll probably go back and look at Cerberus later if I can be bothered). It doesn't look great. I eyeballed Boomslang for abstaining from the tight Sloonei/Kyle lynch and parking an isolated vote on cbob instead. It looks even weaker if we know that Kyle is bad. Perhaps too weak, as there is a part of me which feels a baddie nearing end game like this would want to avoid such a glaring misstep. But it's still there, and he shrugged off either of us as suspects and seemed to prefer Scotty as his suspected Pika2 killer.

Dammit, Epi's analysis is airtight. Vote Kyle aubergine

But then yesterday he was easily swayed by Epi. I'm not as put off by the "dammit" as I am the lack of conviction this change of heart demonstrates. Yesterday he felt good enough about Kyle to save him, directly or indirectly, from a lynch, but today he's gonna just hop right on board when the case is mounting.

I'd like to know what Boomslang's present thoughts are RE: Kyle and Scotty. Did today change his perception about either of them?

Kyle talkin' bout Boom:

Spoiler: show

Ok, all caught up. I don't like Sig's explanation of the haiku confusion on a personal level, but I guess that's a playstyle disagreement. Not going to push it when we have juicy nightkill responses to make.

I wasn't involved in killing Blooper, but I strongly suspect that whoever did kill her is laughing their asses off at the WIFOM they just created. I'm betting it's one of the older players who understands the couples meta. Coupled with sig's good point about a ballsy scum team being willing to NK their own for the wifom...

Marmot needs to show up and give us something to chew on. Wilgy has also been super blendy so far. About the only thing we've gotten from him is some gentle needling of Sloonei based on a point made by Scotty. And a cryptic comment about Kyle — why is he a "hero and patriot" for voting Blooper?

I also have an eyeball on Lorab right now. "Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone" at the end of Day 1 is so noncommittal, then she votes Sloonei for "peer pressure" and the active voices in the thread don't really get on her for that lack of reasoning. She then jumps in, first post of Day 2, to begin the WIFOM about me and the Blooper kill.

Sig is bad, maybe, or i just don't agree with him but not gonna push for him.

lol I didn't kill my SO, guys. that would be so ballsy...and WIFOMy...plus SIG made a good point, and I mean I trust the guy...

Marmot's uh not...around...but hey, WILGY is also not around and people bring up good points about him! He's probably suspicious!

LoRab is non-committal (hey, that's basically what Scotty said recently at this point)

I remember back then the primary defense of boomslang was based on the fact that he wouldn't have killed blooper, but that argument is a lot weaker with the revelation that there's at least 2 mafias. i also.... don't remember who specifically was saying it

Non-committal shade thrown at Boomslang. This reads more as a simple acknowledgement with a dismissal of a single defense of Boomslang. Not strong enough to move the needle in Boom's favor, but if it becomes part of a larger pattern I'll need to reconsider.

I remember boomslang irking my buttons early on, this seems like a good opportunity to revisit why

This was on the day when we had the 5-person poll. Kyle vows to refresh his read on Boomslang. Did he do it?

I gotta vote in the next two hours before work, likely voting for cbob or boomslang

I'm dropping a vote on [VOTE: boomslang] aubergine aubergine. I'll try to check in during my lunch break and see if anything's developed, but that'll probably be after the day ends

No. No he did not. He did, however, place a vote on Boomslang. At a time when it looked like Boom was seriously at risk of being lynched, this is a point in his favor. However, both Boom and Kyle were on their first lives here (Boom still is), and if they're partners with BTSC they know that the loss of a single life isn't detrimental and would look good for the other in case one ends up dead/revealed in the near future. But there would not be an immediate pay off on a bussing move like this either, so it's tricky. I'll keep this as a point in Boomslang's favor.

What do you think of Boomslang, Kyle? Enough about me and you for now

idk dude I've mostly been focused on the pika2 thing recently. boomslang's behavior and treatment of sig(?) irked me early on in cerberus before the merge. I could see him being one of the remaining badboys

More vague shade. Kyle's stance toward Boom is consistent in this regard. It's not strong enough to work definitively in Boomslang's favor, but it's persistent enough to move the needle slightly, I guess.

Boomslang, insertnamehere, Kylemii, Scotty, Sloonei, and Spacedaisy.

One of these right here had to have killed Scotty.

If you are voting Scotty, which one of these names killed Scotty Night 2?

Less than two hours ago.

oh. it wasn't addressed to me so i thought you were just asking everyone in general

from that list i'd have to say inh or boomslang

Boomslang or inh killed Scotty Night 2, according to Kyle.

Aight @Kylemii I wanna hear some GTH reads on people. You said you could see Boom as one of the remaining badboys, but I'm wondering if you'd do a cut and dry approach on everyone left in the game. Whatcha say?

yeah man

Boomslang: bad
colonialbob: bad?
Dom: mmm good?
Dragon D Luffy: good
Epignosis: good
insertnamehere: bad
Kylemii: good
Quin: ....good?
Scotty: bad
Sloonei: good
Spacedaisy good
S~V~S : good

Dom, Cbob, and quin were the hardest to place

Predictable Bad GTH read. Along with cbob and Scotty.

He has kept up the Boomslang suspicion until this very moment. It could be a hard bussing approach for the two remaining Evens, or it could be a desperate attempt to put the heat on somebody else. I could go either way. Gun to my head I might lean slightly toward the latter, but that's not a strong read by any means.

[Sloonei]

Was DDL eliminated as a possible Even? I can't remember. But his reaction to Kyle's survival pinged me a bit.

I do not believe so.

[Spacedaisy]

regardng Kyle's vote for Boomslang. Did it come before Golden announced Sprityo had extra votes for crossing the info dump line?

[S~V~S]

None of the sprit voters voted for him after the penalty votes. IIRC only Niju voted after Golden announced the penalty.

[Spacedaisy]

No, Kyle voted for Boomslang. I want to know if he did so after sprityo's penalty votes were announced. If so he knew Boomslang would still be safe even wth hs vote. So t does nothng to convnce me that they might not be teammates.

[Sloonei]

Before I start colonialbob's interactions with Kyle, I should add the caveat that I think it's highly unlikely that colonialbob started the game as an Even, due to nutella being the victim of his first role. If cbob is an Even, he switched after his first life.

that's not what I asked

or at least not what I was trying to ask...

you keep implying that it's unlikely for you to be on one mafia team or the other for some reason and I want to know why?

Nutella couldn't use her role on a teammate iirc

Clarifies Kyle's question for Speedchuck when we were all lynching Speedchuck.

Spoiler: show

DH yesterday:

Aubergine *Speedchuck*
He will flip civ; he isn't
He is a baddie

How?

A fundamental misunderstanding of Long Con's role I think.

DH today (on reasons to suspect speed would flip town):

Should I be expected to do all the work for you Kyle? His decent reads/hunting for baddies, SVS's posts to name just two factors of many. The Chuck vote reeks of mafia involvement.

Again with this vague shit
If you want to say something
You guys should say it.

Ok:
Yesterday you said SVS was confused and her reasoning was wrong. Today you say we could've expected speed to flip town and give her posts as a reason. Furthermore, you use this as a reason to insinuate Kyle is bad. Your logic doesn't track, and I believe it is scummy.

J'accuse.

Indirectly references Kyle in an accusation against DH. I actually like the thought suggested by cbob here, even if I don't agree with it in hindsight. It's still a decent observation. Also not necessarily a defense of Kyle, just an off-hand reference. This doesn't tell me much about the relationship between the two, but the post itself looks alright for colonialbob.

Kyle I think a good place to start might be just Day 10 - do you get any reads from the speedchuck/Wilgy trains?

A recommendation for getting back into the thread. That's a handful of Kyle mentions with no real heat anywhere. I'm starting to grow wary of these weak interactions, contrary to what I just said two seconds ago.

Thought - is refrigerator bad?

Kept targeting supatown SVS, targeted me who was (supposedly) unlynchable anyway, now targets Kyle on a day he's likely to get a lot of attention.

A thought about Refrigerator that I entertained as I struggled to communicate over the last 48 hours. This post indicates a little bit of frustration at Kyle being unlynchable on that day, which looks good. But I still don't see any explicit mentions of a kyle suspicion from bob, so

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

What do you think of the delay in pushing the button?

I don't care about it.

What do you think about Lorab?

No reason to townread her, but I need to go check out the context you mentioned to see what I think. I also think I'd rather lynch into Sloonei/Kyle/Scotty today.

Prefers to focus on the Pika2 POE rather than lynch LoRab. Kyle is lumped in there. A fraction of a point in cbob's favor, I suppose.

colonialbob I’m looking through your iso of the merge, and you seem pretty indignant about refrigerator maybe being Bad on day 9 and again a few cycles later- what evidence do you see of that? Because everything I’m seeing reads the opposite.

I would say I was more indignant about nobody responding to my question. I can see his targeting as mafia (psuedo-silencing SVS, protecting Kyle when he's getting attention) but it's not definitive and I don't have bad feels about Dom or Epi apart from that. Nobody else responded to it, so I've dropped it.

Reiterates the above point about the fridge. Continues to look slightly good in relation to Kyle.

cbob?

Understandable but incorrect.

Leaning Kyle personally.

Prefers to lynch Kyle over Sloonei to start Day 15. Good call. Shame it didn't last.

Why did scum sloonei campaign to save scotty and push to lynch kyle for multiple phases in a row, even when kyle wasn't on the poll?

Kyle has multiple lives, and so a campaign to eliminate him ties up the thread longer than a campaign to eliminate Scotty does.

Campaigning to save Scotty may lead to warm fuzzies from Scotty and help improve scum Sloonei's prospects.

Appearing as if one doesn't care who is lynched is scummy, so taking a position is often a good scum play.

So there's several possible reasons, I think. (To be clear: none of these things are why people should be suspicious of Sloonei. They're just reasonable explanations of why a thing Sloonei has done is compatible with him being scum.)

This is actually a good answer.
None of it actually applies to my motives, but it makes sense.

Care to offer any insight into kyle's activities in this game?

Kyle feels similar to FE Kyle - asking questions, providing some good thoughts (see his questioning of you), but also not really getting stuck in and arguing on topics. I can still buy him as bad, but it's for negative reasons (lack of civ signifiers) rather than positive reasons (e.g. your SD read bit this phase).

He's probably somebody to ISO tonight though.

In conjunction with his previous posts about Kyle, I'm not sure I love this. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. He's been taking light steps onto the Kyle wagon for a little while now, but when the time comes to make a decision, he chooses to vote for me, citing a lack of definitive reasons to scum read Kyle. It's not totally incongruous with his developing Kyle read, as he never actually stated a read one way or the other, but just acknowledged Kyle as a candidate. This is neither the best nor the worst thing colonialbob could have said here. I'm not feeling strongly that he has to be Kyle's partner, though.

Spoiler: show

I'm also going to call attention to the shift in kyle's attitude from yesterday to today. Yesterday he prioritized self-preservation in his vote for me:

voting for [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine for self preservation I guess, and also in the hopes that he's the pika2 killer

Today he is willing to play the sacrificial lamb:

i don't mind going first if it's necessary for PiE

I also still have unanswered questions about the actual motivation for his vote yesterday. When it came time to place it, he emphasized self-preservation and a vague prayer about my potential badness (yuck). But he also spent some time picking up on one particular talking point about me and framing it negatively. We had a lengthy exchange about this after the day, but I never got a clear sense of whether he was actually suspicious of me at the time of his vote. It seemed to me like he wanted there to be justification for his inevitable sloonei vote, but has been unable to produce any.

I don't feel this is as damning as you do. Self-pres is alignment neutral, and your flip was a significant event that I can see townie Kyle saying "ok Sloonei is good, I can accept getting lynched to prove Scotty is bad" whereas before it was still between you and Scotty if civ Kyle goes first, so giving himself up isn't as helpful.

All that said I'm still putting him top priority of the pika2 crew.

I also feel like kyle's behavior yesterday reflecte how I'd expect a vulnerable scum to treat yesterday's lynch. There was a civilian bandwagon (yo) which became his singular focus. His focus was not just singularly on me, but also singular to one particular issue about me.

I would expect a hypothetical baddie in kyle's shoes to want to be able to provide justification when they cast their vote to push out the civilian. Kyle did thid by picking out one talking point that was prevalent in the thread about me and proceeded to lock in and bury me with it. He denied that Daisy's alignment matterer at all, despite claiming to be profoundly concerned with my treatment of her. If he was genuinely concerned and confused, I would expect him to want to consider all possible aspects of the issue. Instead I got the sense that kyle only wanted to talk about the parts that could be construed to make me look bad.

This is a more convincing case on Kyle. I'll reread the day to see how much I agree but this lime of reasoning clicks with me.

I like this pair of posts. I was angry about my lynch and came back with a vengeance, mostly directed at Kyle. I was throwing every piece of crap I could find against the wall. cbob argued against my first point against Kyle, but then supported my second. It suggests he's actively thinking about these things and not just arguing from a set perspective on Kyle, and that he's willing to look seriously into voting for him. Good look for cbob.

I think that for now I will [VOTE: kylemii] aubergine.

Votes for Kyle when everyone was voting for Kyle.

Why didn’t cbob vote

Because he is indecisive and also partaking in a super lazy Sunday where he did not realize it was already 6:30. FWIW I was leaning voting Kyle.

But yay Strex, I agree they're almost certainly gone. Kyle tomorrow I think. Will be interesting to see whether there's a kill tonight (I'm assuming yes).

I don't think this looks as terrible as Epi accused. Lazy Sundays are weird and timeless. Letting the 17th deadline in a mafia game that' approaching 2 months in length slip by isn't incriminating, and the record of cbob's posts suggests a firm willingness to cast a vote for Kyle. That said, there is no actual vote, and given Kyle's surprising survival, that does raise some alarms.

On the whole I feel like these posts do not suggest a strong partner relationship between cbob and kyle. I would not prioritize a cbob lynch based on this.

[S~V~S]

No, Kyle voted for Boomslang. I want to know if he did so after sprityo's penalty votes were announced. If so he knew Boomslang would still be safe even wth hs vote. So t does nothng to convnce me that they might not be teammates.

Yes I know who he voted for. I said that no one voted for anyone after Golden announced sprits penalty votes except Niju. So if no one voted except Niju that would mean Kyle voted before the penalty was announced.

[colonialbob]

Why didn’t cbob vote

Because he is indecisive and also partaking in a super lazy Sunday where he did not realize it was already 6:30. FWIW I was leaning voting Kyle.

That's not good enough. This is the Game of Champions.

I don't see how you could be indecisive. It's Day 17. You voted Kylemii last time. If this was a super lazy Sunday, you could have voted. You were here and you posted.

You are either bad or an independent and not a civilian.

Sure, I'm not saying it was a good thing. I was indecisive because I had suspicions of both. I was here, then I went away, did stuff, took the dog for a walk, and then crap it was an hour after deadline.

[Sloonei]

I've been around a bit today. I'd also like to emphasize the "doesn't make any sense for me to be nutella's teammate" angle and see what people think about that.

What angle is that?

If we were teammates nutella wouldn't have been the one hit by my bomb

what bomb?

Kyle seems oblivious to cbob's first role. I think he'd be at least a little bit aware of what's being referenced here if they were teammates. It's possible he's faking, but I don't think that's likely.

Kyle I think a good place to start might be just Day 10 - do you get any reads from the speedchuck/Wilgy trains?

why do you think that would be a good place to start?

the only reads that can be derived from that depend on Wilgy's alignment.

I'm gonna go read Pikachu brb

Nothin'

I gotta vote in the next two hours before work, likely voting for cbob or boomslang

This is again on the day when the poll was slashed. He would ultimately go with Boomslang, as we've just covered. There's absolutely nothing that I can see which suggests Kyle has ever been suspicious of bob, but we did not have many options this day. But the cbob mention seems kinda arbitrary and like he's just trying to placate the vigilant vultures.

Sloonei dancing around the "why is SD town" question makes me want to vote for him.

Why?

Because civs generally have a reason for civ-reading somebody so strongly. Nobody was asking for a case with posting history laid out chapter and verse, but you didn't even say "I feel her reads are genuine, particularly of X and Y" or whatever. Your read of her is a smooth surface that we can't interact with.

this is what bugs me as well. I don't have a problem with sloonei townreading SD for vague reasons by itself, but the fact that she's being excluded from the process of elimination pool with no presented reason other than good vibes seems shady, when he's presenting the narrative that it has to be Scotty or me because it can't be the other two or himself

Kyle's weaksauce case on me was piggybacked from a more fluid read by colonialbob. My theory about Kyle's play on Day 15 was that he was hoping to seize on a civilian's case to position himself on my bandwagon. I developed this theory without considering who Kyle actually piggybacked, and seeing now that it was cbob is a hypothetical point in his favor. I still don't know if I have all that right, but it my thought process is not off the mark then this is a good look.

what was the case on cbob? I'm not positive I read the latter half of the last day phase

Isolated question about bob. No follow up. Doesn't tell me much, but it's there.

Aight @Kylemii I wanna hear some GTH reads on people. You said you could see Boom as one of the remaining badboys, but I'm wondering if you'd do a cut and dry approach on everyone left in the game. Whatcha say?

yeah man

Boomslang: bad
colonialbob: bad?
Dom: mmm good?
Dragon D Luffy: good
Epignosis: good
insertnamehere: bad
Kylemii: good
Quin: ....good?
Scotty: bad
Sloonei: good
Spacedaisy good
S~V~S : good

Dom, Cbob, and quin were the hardest to place

colonialbob is a "bad?" GTH read, and cited as one of the three most challenging to place. Feels more opportunistic than anything else, given the mild but pervasive suspicion against cbob.

I find cbob and kyle to be unlikely teammates based on their interactions, but a partnership is not impossible. They've kept their distance, but not firmly, if they're both Evens.

[Spacedaisy]

No, Kyle voted for Boomslang. I want to know if he did so after sprityo's penalty votes were announced. If so he knew Boomslang would still be safe even wth hs vote. So t does nothng to convnce me that they might not be teammates.

Yes I know who he voted for. I said that no one voted for anyone after Golden announced sprits penalty votes except Niju. So if no one voted except Niju that would mean Kyle voted before the penalty was announced.

I apologize, I mistook what you said because of the way it was phrased.

[Sloonei]

I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

I'm confused by this.
Why do we have any indication of that?

Dom is uncertain about the beginnings of the Pikachu POE thing. This was a misunderstanding more than a defense of anyone in particular. I'm only noting it because there's so little else in the way of interactions between Dom and Kyle.

dom's early game contribution give me hardcore town vibes, is he still around

he's around just about as much as you are.

he doesn't really get why people are getting votes but colonial bob is maybe bad guys

Kyle felt vaguely good about Dom. Okay. I am reminded now that Dom was supposedly largely responsible for bringing LC down. I'd also like to look into how he treated nutella. At this point I'm just writing a memo to myself. I also need to call my doctor's office tomorrow, don't let me forget.

Who do you want to lynch today, Dom?

scotty is amongst the candidates.

I have no opinion of my own on colonialbob. I would like to hear whatever thoughts you guys have about him so that I may have a point of entry and we can organically work our way into a conversation about him and other possible suspects.

Pretend I am a new player just wandering into this game right now.

. . .

no.

I won't.

Who do you suspect and why?
Why shouldn't I lynch you today?

Where's your back bone?

I suspect Kyle because I believe that there is one Even among the remaining members of Pikachu 2.0. However it seems that he is not an option today. Therefore I am seeking an alternative, but people are being unresponsive to my efforts to engage with them on that.

You shouldn't lynch me because I'm town.

My backbone is lodged appropriately in my back.

so...
like....
why should i lynch someone not named sloonei.

I talked about suspecting Kyle and needing help finding other suspects when Kyle was removed for the poll. Dom threw garbage in my face.

I'm going to be honest here:

I've skimmed the past few days.
Summarize kyle pls?

Asks for a summary of the Kyle case. Okay.

There's a couple big long posts where he seems to weakly agree with the Kyle suspicion in a chain of quotes, but he's also pushing back against the particular branch of discussion which focuses on lynching Kyle. To be fair, he was doing this in favor of the discussion that got INH lynched. But I'm looking at his Kyle interactions through a microscope here, so that's the angle I'm gonna note. He's not taking a firm stance on Kyle and is being slightly critical of people who are focused on him (Spacedaisy and myself).

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

I hope to have more time guys i'm sorry.

Voted for Kyle when everyone was voting for Kyle.
He then voted for him again today when the alternative of INH was available. Lynching Kyle at this point wouldn't be a tough pill to swallow for his hypothetical partner, but it's also not a given, and the Evens might still be inclined to try to scratch and claw their way to victory. I find the former more likely.

I don't feel strongly that these interactions have to suggest a teammate relationship, but I don't think it's an impossible pairing either. I keep saying that.

[Sloonei]

Kyle talkin' 'bout Dom

dom's early game contribution give me hardcore town vibes, is he still around

interesting. I felt the opposite. I felt he's been prickly and on edge all game.

But maybe that's his charming town side seeping through the cracks

also I have a civ lean on him right now

maybe it's cus i legit haven't seen him actually physically involved in a game in ~7 years so seeing him discussing things at all kinda sticks out as positive

Some Dom thoughts. A justification for the faux good read.

Aight @Kylemii I wanna hear some GTH reads on people. You said you could see Boom as one of the remaining badboys, but I'm wondering if you'd do a cut and dry approach on everyone left in the game. Whatcha say?

yeah man

Boomslang: bad
colonialbob: bad?
Dom: mmm good?
Dragon D Luffy: good
Epignosis: good
insertnamehere: bad
Kylemii: good
Quin: ....good?
Scotty: bad
Sloonei: good
Spacedaisy good
S~V~S : good

Dom, Cbob, and quin were the hardest to place

Dom gets an mmmgood from Kyle, and is also one of the hardest to place. None of this is tremendously enlightening.

... and that's it.
Dom is supposedly an unlikely partner of Long Con's, but I see nothing that eliminates him from being a suspected partner with Kyle. The LC link might be strong enough to remove him from the pool of suspects, though.

Can any original Pikachus tell me what they think of Dom as a potential Even?

There's also the matter of Dom's hypothetical role. I'm still not clear on who the fridge is, but it seems to be either him or Epi. I do not suspect that role, but it's not confirmed that they're civilian. I feel a lot of uncertainty toward Dom in this game.

[Sloonei]

Blooper
Boomslang
Kylemii
Sloonei
Daisy
Lorab
Sig

Either have low activity or keep claiming real life reasons for low activity.

Out of those Daisy I read as civ, Sig is bad and Sloonei actually contributed a lot despite his own claim that he's busy. I'm slightly suspicious of him. The rest are blanks.

Maybe add second life sprityo too.

DDL makes a few passing references to Kyle, but this is the first somewhat substantial remark he sends Kyle's way. And... it's not actually anything. He includes Kyle in his salad recipe, but then labels him a "blank". This does less than nothing for me. I do not like this.

I have no idea why "evening the playing field" would be a reason to lynch Sloonei.

like I get the idea is "sloonei's never died once and many others have died once or twice, let's string him up so we're all on the same level so it's fair or something" but that makes no sense from the mindset that we're working together towards a common goal

Sig's statement on Sloonei irks me for that reason, because balance shouldn't factor in to anything at all. if Sloonei is a bad then yes he should be lynched for that and stripped of his first and second lives but if he's civ, then him having two lives is an important asset.

viewing things in terms of balance gives off an aura of like..... almost an indie perspective?

I would lynch someone for that at the endgame.

At the endgame.

Right now it does very little but deflect the lynch from whoever you want it deflected from.

Responds to kyle piling on the sig wagon with a slightly critical statement, but he's not being critical of Kyle himself. Just the speculation. And it's light anyway.

Based on what I have seen so far, my opinion on this game is that it's imbalanced in town's favor, and the main reason for that is that mafia's number of available night kills is very low.

Not killing people on purpose? That's suicidal. A mafia team that does that will get POE'd into oblivion.

Good point. Who do you want to vote for today?

Right now I'm between Bob and you, but I could get convinced to vote for Lorab or Booms I think.

Am I just on here by process of elimination? Why are scotty and kyle stronger town reads?

I don't have strong reads on any of the other three you named.

Scotty gives me good vibes in general and I feel like he's is one of the main suspects in every single game I've played with him.

I thought Kyle's struggle to be active looks legit. And I wonder why you keep bringing him up and it's mechanically confirmed he won't be lynched today.

Yuck. "Looks legit, stop talking about him." Yuck. Yuck yuck.

Ok I'm stuggling to catch up.

I think Cbob's lynch is 9 days overdue.

I also feel bad about Sloonei a little but not enough to push a case on him. But I can vote for him maybe. If it's between him and Kyle I prefer him.

I feel slightly civ about Kyle he has said some good things and I thought his movement from inactivity to mid-activity felt genuine. I don 't wanna lynch him.

[VOTE: Cbob] aubergine

Remember a little while earlier when Kyle was a blank read? Now DDL is considering a vote for anyone but Kyle, and he also told me to stop talking about him earlier. YUUUUUCK. He tries to kickstart the cbob wagaon when Kyle is in danger. I was also in danger, but I am so town it hurts, and DDL chose to kill me instead of Kyle ultimately. Yuck.

what was the case on cbob? I'm not positive I read the latter half of the last day phase

His first role was mafia as fuck and he played in a way that capitalized on it.

That's why I've wanted to loynch him so far. I kind of stopped thinking of it a few times but that feeling never left.

Kyle and DDL holding the door open for the colonialbob counterwagon.

I wanna lynch someone with two lives. I'm starting to be scared of the idea of scum getting with 2 lives to the endgame.

Right now those include Daisy, Booms, Kyle, Epi and INH.

I don't wanna lynch Daisy and probably not Epi but the other three are fair game.

Out of these three Kyle is the one I've felt the least good about. I thought his activity story felt genuine but who cares? Mafia goes inactive then starts caring too. Besides there is the Sprityo PoE thingy.

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

The next day. What's this business? Kyle is the one he has felt the least good about? Yesterday he was a civilian read. But now that he's the #1 suspect and his lynch is unavoidable, we're just gonna slip right onto the wagon. How did this happen, DDL?

Then again we still have 12 players left.

After Kyle is done we can afford to mess around with a few 1-life people before I get paranoid about the 2-life ones again.

Now he's all in on the Kyle lynch.

I love Scotty's case on Kyle but I hate how the vocaroo thibg requires the four of them to have created an in-thread connection.

If Booms is not strex for callling his teammates out then the same logic can be used to say INH is not strex.

So I think I will just finish what we started last day and vote kyle.

Stuff about Kyle, but I think this was a misunderstanding about the Vocaroo/wilgy's first role stuff. Kyle wasn't involved in any of that. His next post was a vote for kyle, and that's the end of it for now.

BUT, here's the part where this gets complicated. Based on the posts I just read and discussed here, DDL looks much much worse than any of the three I've looked at prior to him. So much so that I'd put him as public enemy #2 right now, if not for this:

MacDougal was distracted. He had started another project, a game where he could exercise his evil to affect innocent people. Space was clearly having an affect on him. His acolytes were looking after him though.

“Let’s make a decision the way Mac would” said one.

“OK, I think he values staying in tune more than a good vibrato” said another.

“In that case lets go with this one” said the other pointing to one of the headshots.

“Ground control to Major Tom” sang DDL “Commencing countdown engines on.”

“Dawg, he’s in it to win it” they proclaimed in unison.

Night 14 has ended. DDL has died.

It is now day 15. It will last for 48 hours.

DDL was killed Night 14. That's presumably an Evil Evens kill. NOW at this stage in the game, when this we've talked a lot about the potential for a team to kill one of their own, the potential advantages/disadvantages of such a move, the potential WIFOM of a move like this is through the roof. The Evil Evens consisting entirely of Kyle and DDL might just be willing to give that move a try. Or they might not. I don't know. I thought the DDL kill was a bit odd at the time because he wasn't exactly in anyone's circle of trust, and it's not like killing him changes anything about his place in the game. He's the one person who's not going to get a new role if he dies.
His Night 14 death definitively gives me pause, but I don't rule out the possibility that this was a gambit suicide. This is definitely something I want to see discussed.

I'm also, once again, missing the context of DDL's interactions early in the game with LC and nutella. Those would be very important to this discussion. Let's all talk about DDL more.

[colonialbob]

There was discussion that Dom was opposite alignment from LC and that's why he spoke up about the slip.

[Kylemii]

it's good to see you fired up again

[Sloonei]

ddl calls out both LC and nutella early on when they weren't necessarily being targeted by any significant scrutiny yet. at fist glance i'd say this makes him slightly less likely to be a member of the evil evens, but i would like to update this later on once i've read both of nutella and long con's respective lynches, since distancing is still a thing.

Kyle's doing a Pikachu catch up and has nice things to say about DDL. I'll need to look at this myself to make a judgment. It is not difficult to imagine this as a comment by one Even about another, but it does not need to be.

Truth is, we are looking at a game with probably 2 civs left, maybe 3.

hey what??

This exists. DDL said a thing backwards. Kyle was all like "HUH!?"

Aight @Kylemii I wanna hear some GTH reads on people. You said you could see Boom as one of the remaining badboys, but I'm wondering if you'd do a cut and dry approach on everyone left in the game. Whatcha say?

yeah man

Boomslang: bad
colonialbob: bad?
Dom: mmm good?
Dragon D Luffy: good
Epignosis: good
insertnamehere: bad
Kylemii: good
Quin: ....good?
Scotty: bad
Sloonei: good
Spacedaisy good
S~V~S : good

Dom, Cbob, and quin were the hardest to place

DDL is good. Noted.

That's the end of it. I smell teammates here. That Night 14 kill is a big sticking point, though, as is my Pikachu blindness.